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What Terrorists Say about the Democrats

Well, the terrorists are very happy with America's choice of the Democrats over the Republicans. From YNetNews:

Everybody has an opinion about Tuesday's midterm congressional election in the US - including senior terrorist leaders interviewed by WND who say they hope Americans sweep the Democrats into power because of the party's position on withdrawing from Iraq, a move, as they see it, that ensures victory for the worldwide Islamic resistance.

The terrorists told WorldNetDaily an electoral win for the Democrats would prove to them Americans are "tired."

They rejected statements from some prominent Democrats in the US that a withdrawal from Iraq would end the insurgency, explaining an evacuation would prove resistance works and would compel jihadists to continue fighting until America is destroyed.

Democrats now have the opportunity to prove to us that they are going to start believing these terrorists when they vow that they won't stop their attacks until they destroy America. Only, I'm not feeling too confident right now.

Hat tip: RedState


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How are the Dems better sui... (Below threshold)
yo:

How are the Dems better suited to conduct a war against an enemy they are wont to even admit exists?

Apparently, no one on the Left listened to Osama's "paper tiger"-like comments after we did the Murtha-sponsored "cut and run" shuffle out of Somalia (not to mention Beirut).

I guess playing into the enemy's desires is worth it as long as you can gain back power.


The only possible bright spot being that now that the MSM has their party back in power, maybe the coverage of the war will change. Though, I don't think that will happen until there's a (D) next to a president's name.

jesus. who gives a shit wh... (Below threshold)
ryan:

jesus. who gives a shit what some unnamed "terrorist" says? what's with all this bullshit about polarizing democrats and assuming that they are on the so-called other side?

bush is talking about trying to work in unison, so why the fuck aren't you?

the democrats that you're talking about represents quite a large number of americans, many of them pretty damn moderate, so what's the use in coming on here with this blathering bullshit that compares them to terrorists?

that's just as bad as the dumbass lefties who go around blaming bush and neocons for everything under the sun.

damn. im hoping that somehow this partisan nonsense will at least simmer down a little so we can get some things taken care of. but i lose hope when i see both sides flinging this kind of bullshit...business as usual i guess.

to sum it up: righties who compare democrats to terrorists are as bad as lefties who compare bush to hitler. and about as braindead. we're all americans for fuck's sake.

Who compared anyone to terr... (Below threshold)
yo:

Who compared anyone to terrorists?

As for this simmering down ...? Where was the call from the Left to simmer down over the past 6 years? I don't recall anyone ever equating Clinton to Hitler during the Balkins.

I certainly didn't compare ANY democrats to terrorists.

Why are you and WNDN giving... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Why are you and WNDN giving a platform to terrorists? WizJazeera

You are emboldening the people that want to kill us!!

Ryan: Righties don't normal... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

Ryan: Righties don't normally compare democrats to terrorists, they want the democratic traitors that have been openly and under the table supporting the terrorist which has resulted in 75% + of the American deaths. The war in Iraq would have been over two years ago but for the dum ass democrats like Hanoi John, Turbin Durbin, Mad Jack Murtha, Drunken Ted and the like. You know it, I know it, the world knows it. The problem is I'm the only one who will admit it. They have killed in excess of 2.000 American Soldiers to get the seats in congress, now other reason than a bruised ego from losing elections. The blood of those men and women are on the democrats hands and so will the blood of millions of Iraqi's be when they cut and run, and they will cut and run. They have the experience form half a dozen previous cut and runs that have killed millions. People like you can KMA.

"Why are you and WNDN givin... (Below threshold)
yo:

"Why are you and WNDN giving a platform to terrorists? WizJazeera"

Tell me, how does that embolden those who would want to kill us?

Again, the Left can't fight this war until they understand that the stakes are more than simple pride and petty power politics.

You just proved my point.

yo:I cer... (Below threshold)
ryan:

yo:


I certainly didn't compare ANY democrats to terrorists.

good for you. and dont play stupid and pretend that we havent had years of certain people either comparing dems to terrorists, or suggesting that dems are aiding terrorists. it's bullshit, just like the whole asinine bush/hitler comparison is.

and you're right, there should have been more "calls from the left" about simmering down and being rational. no argument from me there.

I'm not playing stupid abou... (Below threshold)
yo:

I'm not playing stupid about anything. You introduced a concept into this topic that wasn't relevant.

Show me, in this topic, where someone compared a Dem to a terrorist.

I'm not saying people haven't done so, before - they just haven't done it, here.

Kim simply stated that terrorists were happy that the Dems have won. And I think you'd be hard pressed to prove otherwise. But, hey .., if you can pull it off, knock yourself out. I'll wait.

However, if you'd like to toss out random items, you're more than free to do that, too. Just don't sweat the retaliation.

Scrappy:Oh, I see.... (Below threshold)
ryan:

Scrappy:

Oh, I see. It wasnt war that killed all those men, it was John Kerry and company. Nice logic there pal.

And exactly HOW could we have ended the war two years ago? Is there some secret solution (short of a nuclear bomb) that nobody ever told me about?

My main point, just to make it clear, is that I think all of this partisan nonsense is what's really screwing us. How the hell are we going to get anything done, ever, if we keep beating the shit out of each other?

Today on The View Rosie O'D... (Below threshold)
Jo:

Today on The View Rosie O'Donnell said we shouldn't be afraid of terrorists because (swallow your drinks)...."they're mothers and fathers."

I just have one request. Rosie, please put a big sticker on your shirt everyday that says "Proud Democrat."

Please, Rosie. I'll pay you.

ryan: it would be best if y... (Below threshold)

ryan: it would be best if you directed your rage toward those who are doing just that. Rather than run in like a bull in a China shop and start cussing everyone out.

We "give a shit" what that unnamed terrorist says because that's exactly their sentiment. All of them. Although I wouldn't exactly call the guy "nameless". Did you read the article? What he said is true. Every word.

"How the hell are we going ... (Below threshold)
yo:

"How the hell are we going to get anything done, ever, if we keep beating the shit out of each other?"

EXACTLY!

Well .. except that you're looking forward. Scrap was looking back. Re-date your comment to about 3 years ago, and you'll see the point.

The Dems have done nothing but bitch, moan, gripe and criticize how the war has been conducted. Not once. NOT ONCE! Have I seen anything even remotely resembling actual, verifiable support for our troops, and their mission, come from the left.

I recall people voting for things before they voted against those same things.

I recall people comparing our troops to nazis.

I recall a lot of people saying that we can't win this.

I recall the word "quagmire."

I recall a lot of things, but what I fail to recall is anything from the left, other than their votes to take military action, that could even remotely be considered supportive.

So, again .. your comment is dead on, it's just a little late.

ok, yo, you win on the sema... (Below threshold)
ryan:

ok, yo, you win on the semantic front.

what's the use in posting bullshit about some goddamn generic terrorist who is supposedly elated that democrats did well in the past election? does that help us get anywhere?

what a great thing kim has done by repeating some goddamned article which states that fucking terrorists are glad that democrats have won.

i guess im hoping that the last 6 years of red/blue bullshit will die down. it gets old.

In an effort bridge the par... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

In an effort bridge the partisan divide between both parties. I did find one quote from the article that we can all agree on:

"Bush is a sick person, an alcoholic person that has no control of what is going on around him."

"ok, yo, you win on the sem... (Below threshold)
yo:

"ok, yo, you win on the semantic front."

... which would be nice, if we were playing a game of semantics. We're not. You spat bullshit, I simply called you out on it.

I win on the logic front, actually.


The "use" in posting these comments were (and this is my opinion, I'm sure Kim is perfectly capable of defending herself) to enlighten people to some of the inner workings of the enemy's tactics.

"prove resistance works and would compel jihadists to continue fighting until America is destroyed."

Based on that, if we really want to win this thing (and there's an argument that some don't, or, don't realize that we can actually "lose"), we have to know what the enemy wants and do our damnedest to NOT give it to them. I'm not saying that giving them a Dem congress will make them victorious, what I'm saying is that is now beholden on the Dems to prove the terrorists wrong.

Then again, a lot of folks on the right have known about these tactics for years. Most folks on the left still think Bush started this war to make money. Talk about getting old.

oyster, you're right...it's... (Below threshold)
ryan:

oyster, you're right...it's not the best thing to come on here all pissed off. but then, i wouldnt exactly call this place a china shop.

ok, so you listen to, and believe, every word that that punks are spewing (and yes, i read the article and all the neat names and all the accomplishments that they claim). great.

you really give their words a lot of consideration? i mean, you're then agreeing with them, and basically expressing zero confidence in what millions of americans have chosen to do. and by the way, these "democrats" that have been elected are hardly left wing you know...besides a few here and there, most of them are pretty damn moderate, if not a little conservative.

it would be nice, even if we tried it for just a while, if we got over some of our differences here and tried to actually get some things done.

Between now and the next el... (Below threshold)
Red Fog:

Between now and the next election radical muslim jahadists -- terrorists -- will attack on U.S. soil and the Repulicans will be back in control. It obvious when you read the words and understand plain english talking points of this post. For now, I just hope it's not me or mine that get hurt or killed.

"it would be nice, even if ... (Below threshold)
yo:

"it would be nice, even if we tried it for just a while, if we got over some of our differences here and tried to actually get some things done."

- Ryan


"Bush is a sick person, an alcoholic person that has no control of what is going on around him."

Posted by: BarneyG2000

There's one good reason.

yo:ok then, fair i... (Below threshold)
ryan:

yo:

ok then, fair is fair. yo 1, ryan, -1 on the logic front.

And I know that the Dems have spent the last 6 years bitching, and they havent come up with a goddamned idea of how to do ANYTHING better. I was there.

Sorry for being late with the dead-on comments.

By the way, I think that we should intervene with that German guy who just took over Yugoslavia before he gets out of control.

I'm not saying that giv... (Below threshold)
ryan:

I'm not saying that giving them a Dem congress will make them victorious, what I'm saying is that is now beholden on the Dems to prove the terrorists wrong.

cool. then we're on the same page.

Ryan,I'll actually... (Below threshold)
yo:

Ryan,

I'll actually give you 2, on the humor front; it'd be 3 if your geographical skills were a wee sharper (Czech, not Yugo).

I want to agree with you on the "ANYTHING better" comment, I really do. But, I think it would be more appropriate to say "ANYTHING ... at all."

I'm hip with conservative/moderate democrats, by the way (as long as they aren't "bait and switch" democrats), but if the party follows Pelosi's tree-huggin' horsecrap, we're in a lot of trouble. The type of trouble which can't be fixed with socialized medicine.

The new power brokers need to think about that.

The reps fumbled and that's not a bad thing, theoretically speaking. However, the dems who recovered that fumble have historically been more concerned with getting the ball; not as concerned about scoring the touchdown.

I mean, really ..., how can new leadership know that they have the answers if they don't even know what the question was?

I'm still smiling and laugh... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

I'm still smiling and laughing about the election. Here it is 48 hours later, the dim's have won. Hundreds of them are covering the airways with BS and only one thing is clear. They have no freakin idea of how to protect the American people from terrorists attacks.

They have admitted one thing they denied for three years, there is no war against the people of Iraq by the U.S., it is a fight against the terrorists and if we leave the terrorists are sure to follow. How many times have they been told the war was over within a few days, in spite of the plans being given to the enemy ahead of time, (what was that democrats name that made a visit to the area and told them about the plans for attack? Just can't remember his name, it'll come back to me).
It's time for them to realize that there is a 'religion of peace' that has vowed to kill us all or convert us to Islam, and then kill us. Either way you are a dead duck. Then the (dim's) might just help fight the war on terror world wide. Na, too many cowards in the party. Lip service is all they ever provide. You can forget the make peace BS, I still want to see Hanoi John, Turbin Durbin, and several more traitors dragged out congress and shot for treason in time of war.

If you are in the military, get the he** out.
If you are thinking of enlisting. Don't
Dim's have a history of abandoning you after they get you in combat.

The only possible bright... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

The only possible bright spot being that now that the MSM has their party back in power, maybe the coverage of the war will change. Though, I don't think that will happen until there's a (D) next to a president's name.

It already has changed. This the the first two days on the radio I haven't heard the daily deathtoll in Iraq every hour on the hour in over 8 months. Cable News seems less to almost none too, but I don't watch that solidly.

Election day, I understand. The day after, not so much. Two days after... hmmm.

yo:I'll actuall... (Below threshold)
ryan:

yo:

I'll actually give you 2, on the humor front; it'd be 3 if your geographical skills were a wee sharper (Czech, not Yugo).

ya, i realized that one right after hitting post. i knew that one, i really did. just like a loser on jeopardy would say, i know.

ya, the dems and the left were HUGE on criticism, but there wasnt too much as far as the solutions went. lame. they just reacted to everything that repubs did.

im not so sure that the new leadership has the answers. what im hoping is that everybody up there starts listening to people who know what the hell their talking about, regardless of which prepackaged ideology they subscribe to.

"It already has changed. Th... (Below threshold)
yo:

"It already has changed. This the the first two days on the radio I haven't heard the daily deathtoll in Iraq every hour on the hour in over 8 months."

Yeah .. go figure. The MSM aren't painting the portrait with dark colors all of a sudden. Hm, indeed.

Nope. No bias, there. None whatsoever.


"what im hoping is that everybody up there starts listening to people who know what the hell their talking about, regardless of which prepackaged ideology they subscribe to"

Agreed. I was hoping we'd have had some of that a few years back.

Now, my question to you (or anyone, really) is what if the people that know what the hell they're talking about say that water-boarding is a good idea?

By the way, no worries on the geography issue. If I had a buck for every time I failed to proofread ... wow.

yo:hmmm. water-bo... (Below threshold)
ryan:

yo:

hmmm. water-boarding? im missing something, right?

Ryan,I'm understan... (Below threshold)
yo:

Ryan,

I'm understanding your statement to mean that if the new leaders are given advice from people in the know, that they should heed that advice.

What if that advice actually supports something that the left has criticized?

Of course, if I'm missing your point, I apologize.

no, you're not missing my p... (Below threshold)
ryan:

no, you're not missing my point. i was just thrown off by the term "water-boarding"; didnt know what you meant by that.

look, advice should be advice, not ass kissing. and sometimes advice isnt always what you want to hear. people (dems) need to listen to those who are in the know, from all sides, and come up with some solutions. the same goes for bush and the repubs though.

and the so-called left needs to learn how to work in unison as much as anyone. and they gotta shut up for a minute and listen to all sides...take information and ideas into consideration. it's nice to want peace and love and sunshine all the time, but there are "situations" where that's not a choice. on the flipside, there are times when things can be solved through diplomacy, right?

one of the biggest mistakes of the left is assuming that everyone on the right is stupid. the reverse, of course, goes for the right. thats how i see it. i have smart friends on both sides. they piss me off when they get into the left vs right crap. to me, it's a huge stereotype, a big self fulfilling game.

there are some pretty smart people on both sides, and i imagine that some pretty good solutions could come from bipartisanship.

ya, pretty pie in the sky kinda shit, i know...

Ryan,There's nothi... (Below threshold)
yo:

Ryan,

There's nothing in what you're saying that I can, with good conscience, disagree with (pardon the dangling participal).

My gig on the left is the condescension. It's not that they proclaim to be correct, all of the time, it's that even if they're wrong, they are morally above any criticism. That pisses me off. I'd rather be told I'm stupid than be told that I don't have the right to my own opinion.

Granted, both sides look at the other with a goodly amount of disdain, but the left is sooo damned snotty about it. ;)

What really irks me about this election is that the left are coming out now all happy and friendly and everything and saying that because of their attitude, they'll get stuff done, now. Hell, if they would have tried being less dick-ish for the last few years, we may have been able to get something done then, not in the future. This goes to Scrap's assertion that dems have killed soldiers.

Honestly, I can't really argue with that, too much. Had Kerry gone back into the Senate and pushed for new/better armor instead of bitching about a lack of it on the campaign trial .. hell! Maybe some of the lives that the left cried their alligator tears over would not have been lost.

It all comes down to something I said in a different post. That the dems have been acting like crying, whining children, but now that they have power, they're all lovey-dovey.

It stinks.

It. Stinks. Bad. And you can't blame people for being apprehensive about it.

Additionally, I think we're going to see a lot of crow being eaten as the dems realize that they can't fall back on their tried and true "it's Bush's fault" excuse for everything when things go bad. And they will go bad. It's war. Whether they want to believe it or not, it is.

And sure, diplomacy may work in some places, but finally the MSM is going to be forced to report the one thing that Bush has said from the beginning: you can't negotiate with this people.

Of course, when a greater amount of force is used, which it will need to be, and when the dems start pushing for less tolerance from our pussy friends like the French, or whomever, it will be reported that the dems are strong on nat'l defense.

There's been a shitload of hypocrisy coming from the left for decades, and it's right on the verge of being exposed to the entire world. The issue is, can we handle it without tearing ourselves apart?

The terrorists think not.

Hence, Kim's post is MORE than relevant, and as much as I hate to burst Barny's bubble, reporting the terrorists thoughts on the election MUST be reported. They are calling us out.

Are we gonna heed, or bleed?

Terrorists don't think the Dems have the stomach.

And, I hate to say it, they may be right.

Yo said "I win on the logic... (Below threshold)
Chris:

Yo said "I win on the logic front, actually." Not really, actually. Making a lot of sweeping unsupported assertions is not logic. Saying you have never heard a Democrat say anything to express support for our troops is just stupid. And rehashing old campaign distortions is not logic.

Basically, you're trying the old Republican canard of portraying any criticism of Bush as a criticism of the troops. Calling Iraq a quagmire is not a criticism of the troops. It's a recognition of reality.

Posted by: ChrisAm... (Below threshold)
yo:

Posted by: Chris

Amazing. The person with whom I was having the "argument" seems to have understood what I meant.

Besides, nitpick much? Or even, nitpick much, ACCURATELY?

Where did I say criticism of Bush equated to not supporting the troops?

I actually used the word "quagmire" in my example to state the comparisons that were made to Vietnam. Dems wanted to make the comparison but didn't think of how it did effect the troops. No one wants to think that they're putting their asses on the line in the type of war that resulted in returning vets being called baby-killers, or ... OR .. being compared to the likes of Mongolian barbarians. Hm. Wonder who said that?

As for the "support" offered up by the Dems, stating that you support the troops, but not the mission, is not support.

I challenge you to provide one (1) direct quote from the democratic leadership that actually demonstrates support for the troops without some trailing stab at Bush. Just one quote, in its full context that fully supports the troops and doesn't end or start with a "but" or a "however" ... unless, of course, that disclaimer carries with it something more than pure criticism, or a call to redeploy to some silly-assed location.

Go on .. I'll wait.


"Saying you have never heard a Democrat say anything to express support for our troops is just stupid."

Yep. There's that snotty attitude to which I referred, earlier.

Actually, providing absolutely no concrete examples to bring down my "sweeping unsupported statements," is just fool-hardy.

And claiming "rehashed campaign distortions" when no such rehashing occurred, or had been intended, is far from logical.

Radical Islam is a foe like... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Radical Islam is a foe like no other America has ever faced, and in this struggle the American electorate rolled over and exposed this nation's weak underbelly on Tuesday. The terrorist know it, our military knows it, and the cut and runners will come to know it soon enough. Violence will escalate in Iraq and Afghanistan and the Democrats will cut off funding leaving Bush no option but to bring the troops home. Once it becomes obvious to the Iraqi people that America has betrayed them, the police and army will disintegrate along with the new Iraqi government. We'll once again see images of people trying to get on a few last helicopters flying to safety.

The message voters sent Tuesday is that America can't be trusted, and that America doesn't have what it takes to win a protracted war. It's not the Democrats who are the problem, and it's not principled anti-war people who are the problem, it's the fair-weather supporters who gave their support for the invasion and then voted to cut and run before the job was done. They vote like they think it's just a game and that events in Iraq won't effect them. They have lived too long in relative luxury, peace and freedom bought by the blood of their countrymen, but they cut their own throats Tuesday.

I'm coming out with a line of custom prayer rugs that feature instructions for finding the direction to Mecca form major American cities. The high end model features an American flag on the bottom to protect the rest of the rug from touching the dirt. If you are not a Jew or a real Christian, having such a rug could save your life, so you should get one for each member of your family.

Why does Wizbang support th... (Below threshold)
kaz:

Why does Wizbang support the message of these terrorists by publicizing them? Can you imagine newspapers during World War II promoting the Nazi propaganda of Joseph Goebbels?

One of the main objectives of the terrorists is to create disunity among us. When you publicize their messages you are helping them to do this.

Personally, I don't give a damn what bin Laden or any of these other punk terrorists think or say. If you truly want to support the troops you wouldn't give these psychos a forum in which to spew their bile.

Radical Islam is a foe l... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Radical Islam is a foe like no other America has ever faced

The British were a foe like no other America had ever faced.

The Civil War was a war like no other America had ever faced.

Japanese kamikazes were a foe like no other America had ever faced.

The Nazis were a foe like no other America had ever faced.

Nuclear missles pointed at us were a threat like no other America had ever faced.

Kim's post is just another ... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Kim's post is just another brilliant example of the ease with which anonymous terrorists push around scared, frightened Republicans.

Thank goodness these victims are no longer in Control of the House and Senate. Victims aren't capable of waging a rational war. They are too easily manipulated by the enemy into doing rash, stupid things.

Iraqi official: 150,000 civilians dead

BAGHDAD, Iraq - A stunning new death count emerged Thursday, as Iraq's health minister estimated 150,000 civilians have been killed in the war -- about three times previously accepted estimates.

Even 50,000 innocent Iraqis lost is 50,000 too many. I am so sick and tied of listening to easily manipulated and victimized Americans telling the rest of us that all of this was necessary, just because they themselves are scared shitless of these terrorists.

Actually, Brian .. all of t... (Below threshold)
yo:

Actually, Brian .. all of those forces had a centralized government.

Take out the gov't, you win the war.

Stratego, if you will ... without all of the pesky miners.

Terrorists, as well all know, don't have a centralized gov't to topple in order to declare victory.

I'm coming out with a li... (Below threshold)
mantis:

I'm coming out with a line of custom prayer rugs that feature instructions for finding the direction to Mecca form major American cities. The high end model features an American flag on the bottom to protect the rest of the rug from touching the dirt. If you are not a Jew or a real Christian, having such a rug could save your life, so you should get one for each member of your family.

I'll take three!

Occasionally I surrender to Muslims I see in the street, but they must have infidels to kill or something.

Terrorists arent coming, th... (Below threshold)
LeeHoFook:

Terrorists arent coming, theyre here already.

One can only hope that if that if, well, when they strike, they strike at the donkey cities, as that might be the only way the left will finally believe that Bush or the GOP isnt the enemy.

Wonder how Muslims would treat San Fran and the assortment of fruit loops there?

the leftcultbot Lee always ... (Below threshold)

the leftcultbot Lee always loves to castigate Americans as "scared"

But I see it lives in America and not...say... in the Islamist enclaves of France.

Lee:Kiss my ass. ... (Below threshold)
Mike:

Lee:

Kiss my ass. I'm one of those poor stupid Republicans the terrorists push around cause we're scared shitless.

I am so tired of the leftwing saying that the right is "afraid" of whatever it is we don't like.

Been there done that. I didn't go to Iraq because I was afraid, but because it needed to be done.

I'll stack my Purple Heart up against whatever credentials you want to bring to the table. Tell me all about how brave you are because you don't want to fight.

Hey wait a minute "pucker p... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Hey wait a minute "pucker puss (lee lee) the dead count is supposed to be 655,000 Why are you lowering it. it has been no time since you were spewing that # around.

Here's a question - Can Wiz... (Below threshold)
cat:

Here's a question - Can Wizbangers read?

It seems not. There is not one single quote in Kim's Yedioth Ahranot link that backs up the claim that jihadists will "continue until America is destroyed". Every single one of the people interviewed spoke of resistance to occupation. Not one of them said anything about destroying America.

Put your army back in America where it belongs, stop trying to rule the world with your dreams of empire and no one will need to resist you.

MacLorry said:<block... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

MacLorry said:


It's not the Democrats who are the problem, and it's not principled anti-war people who are the problem, it's the fair-weather supporters who gave their support for the invasion and then voted to cut and run before the job was done.

Very well put.

ryan, if you want an honest... (Below threshold)

ryan, if you want an honest opinion, I'm sick and tired of "now can't we get along?" as soon as the pacifier has been plopped in the mouths of some of the the most vindictive people I've run across. *Now* they want to get along. *Now* they're tired of fighting. *Now* everything's gonna be okay if we just see reason and hold hands. The veneer is already wearing thin for some. Tell me, ryan, where was that sentiment over the last six years?

I'll tell you where it was - nowhere - just as it is now. It's fake. It's phony. So don't blow smoke up my arse and tell me it's cloudy.

And you know what else ryan? There's some bad language here but it's not too often that I see so many cuss words in every paragraph and every sentence telling everyone to be nice.

cat, I don't know where you... (Below threshold)

cat, I don't know where you're from, but the next time you need help, call France.

Looking back to WW2, US cas... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Looking back to WW2, US casualties were 1465 dead, 3184 wounded, 1928 missing and 26 captured on D-Day. The American people did not cut and run and our soldiers did not die in vain.

US casualties in Vietnam from 1959 to 1974 were 58,184 killed. That's an average of 10 killed every day for 16 years. The American people did cut an run, but only after 16 years. The result was the total takeover by communism in Vietnam, boat people, and the US left with no will to stop the slaughter in Cambodia.

The Iraq war has lasted 1,332 days as of today. At the Vietnam war casualty rate we would have had 10,332 killed, but the actual figure is less than 2,850 killed. And yet on Tuesday the American people voted to cut and run.

What lesson should be learned from this? One is that the American people no longer have what it takes to win a protracted war, and it's not just America, it's all of western civilization. We have for too long lived lives of domestic peace, freedom, and relative luxury to want anything to do with war. Some claim world peace can only be archived by giving the rest of the world these same things, but how do you do that without defeating those who seek to rule by any means? Even if that could be done, does anyone think the American people would vote to send half of all our incomes to other nations? Don't hold your breath, we go to war to support our great life style and only when that life style is threatened (oil) and there's a clear goal that can be accomplished quickly do we support war. The first Gulf war met all the criteria and our success duped us into believing we had what it takes to win in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Knowing this, what should the U.S. energy policy be? Become energy independent. Build nuclear plants and employ solar and wind to the largest practical degree. Open up oil and gas exploration in every feasible location. Pass laws that facilitate develop of domestic oil shale. Change speed limit laws to slow down pickup trucks and SUVs. Nothing will get Americans out of their gas guzzlers faster than having to drive them in the slow lane, yet it will have minimal impact on legitimate users of such vehicles.

Knowing this, what should the U.S. policy on Taiwan be? Negotiate the return of Taiwan to China now while there's a possibility of a peaceful resolution. If the people of Taiwan want no part of these negotiations, then official U.S. policy should be that we won't interfere if China invades. Does anyone really want to go to war with China over Taiwan? It's not like the U.S. has a reputation to protect, that delusion ended Tuesday.

Knowing this, what should the U.S. policy on Iran be? No military action unless they cut off the oil supply. Then we must come not as liberators, occupiers, or even as conquers, but as destroyers. Other than to knock out their air defenses, forget the precision guided weapons. Bring in the B52s and bomb the place flat with tons of dumb bombs.

Knowing this, what should the U.S. policy be in regard to current African conflicts? The answer is to stay out of such conflicts. At the most we should make sure populations being attacked by armed groups have equivalent weapons with which to defend themselves.

Tuesday's message to Washington was protect our fat, dumb and happy life style at all costs.

Cat--like Oyster said-stick... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Cat--like Oyster said-stick it.

cat:Put y... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

cat:

Put your army back in America where it belongs, stop trying to rule the world with your dreams of empire and no one will need to resist you.

Face it cat, if we had "dreams of empire" or of "ruling the world" you'd be living in a U.S. colony. You know it, I know it, the world knows it. So ditch that tired argument and file it right next to "war for oil".

cat said: "It seems not.... (Below threshold)
Lee:

cat said: "It seems not. There is not one single quote in Kim's Yedioth Ahranot link that backs up the claim that jihadists will "continue until America is destroyed". Every single one of the people interviewed spoke of resistance to occupation. Not one of them said anything about destroying America."

Well said, cat. These frightened children want everyone else to be as frightened as they are, and they will stop at nothing to try to make that happen.

Lee,I'll admit I'm... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Lee,

I'll admit I'm afraid, not for my own life, but the life of this nation and it's ideals. Please read the article "Dealing in Death", which gives a historical prospective to the foe we now face. The question is, is the threat real? If not, then yes many of us are acting out of unfounded fear. If it's real, then many of you are acting like fools.

Lee,Only now</i... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Lee,

Only now am I starting to have a bit of fear.

Khamenei said military maneuvers in the Gulf this week in which Iranian forces tested new missile systems showed Iran was ready to face any threat. But, he said: "With the scandalous defeat of America's policies in Iraq, Palestine, Lebanon and Afghanistan, America's threats are empty threats on an international scale."

I won't be one to say Democrats are aligned with terrorists or our enemies. It's obvious through these types of comments that they think Democrats are weak willed pushovers.
It's a shame that this will ironically make a diplomatic solution with Iran more difficult...because there will be absolutely no consequences for their refusal to negotiate.

If Bush and Speaker Pelosi are able to keep a solidly united front on Iran, all may not be lost.

Lee, Cat,Not neces... (Below threshold)
yo:

Lee, Cat,

Not necessarily an attempt to throw a wet blanket on this "the US is under no threat" meme you've got going, here:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2447690,00.html


Lest we forget, the threat of radical islam is not simply an American problem.

The problem is that only America, and the Brits, take it seriously.

I wonder how many commuters in Madrid are thinking that these nutjobs aren't threats?

Or, patrons of nightclubs in Bali.

Or, embassy employees in Africa.

Or, well .. gee, there's Egypt, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Denmark, Israel, Palestine, Lebanon ... and, yes. Iraq.


It's not that these crack-job jihadis want to destroy America, they don't. They want to defeat the American forces so that they can carry on with their f'd, comic-book-like plans of a worldwide caliphate.

Why do they want to defeat America? Because she's the only one with the balls to say enough is enough.

So, cat, feel free to believe what you want. Deny any threats all you'd like. But, a lot of us would appreciate you toning down to rhetoric while our boys and girls are out there protecting not only our rights and freedoms, but yours, as well.

The funny thing about this ... (Below threshold)
kevino:

The funny thing about this election is watching this two-step the winning side is doing with the White House. They got elected with a promise to get out of Iraq, and now that they've won, they're trying to figure out what to do. They know what the far-left wants: get out in six months or so. But the Democratic leadership is (correctly) afraid of the public's reaction.

(It is tragic to see a politic party win a national election with nothing. But it's almost comical to see the lack of leadership in this country that allows people like this to assume great power and look around helplessly trying to put together a plan. The American people really should have asked about the details before they voted.)

In truth, the Democrats have a long-term strategy; they just aren't sure how to get there. The plan is to eliminate our dependence on foreign oil, strengthen our defences at home, and leave the Middle East forever. Bottom line: they want to play defense -- build a "Fortess America".

I think it's stupid, lazy, and corrupt:
1. Leaving Islamic fundamentalism to grow unchecked is like saying, "I don't like the chemotherapy or the radiation treatments, so I'll let the cancer grow and only treat the critical organs as they fail." We'll have to fight these people sooner or later. Sooner was better. They are getting stronger, and we appear to be getting weaker.
2. It won't work. We're showing a determined enemy that we are weak willed. We're showing them that they can beat us simply by not giving up. We'll eventually get tired and go home. Even worse, a free society can't become a fortress. We're too easy a target. Suicide bombings andsmall arms attacks at schools and shopping malls can be easily carried out and do terrible damage.
3. It is a policy that is incredibly selfish. The one thing that is lost in this election and in almost all of the discussions about the election is what happens to other people. The West (and this country in particular) used to stand for democratic ideals. We used to care about what happens to the fundamental rights of other people. As a former Democrat, I'm sickened by the way that my party is perfectly willing to pull out of the Middle East and let hundreds of thousands of people be killed and millions be enslaved.

Couple of quick examples:
How many times have we heard from self-centered Democrats who talked about the idea that we didn't have to invade Iraq because Saddam was "contained". The argument was routinely made that the status-quo was working just fine. Really? It wasn't working very well for the million or so people who died as a direct result of Saddam or the UN sanctions. What about them? Democrats. Don't. Care. Women's rights? Civil rights? Oh, we care about the rights of Americans. Everyone else: go to the UN.

More than 900,000 people were killed in Rwanda because we did nothing. How many died in Bosnia during the ethnic cleansing before the US finally took action? (Europe's contribution was almost entirely to beg the US to take care of it.) And now, we have a genocide taking place in the Sudan that has probably killed over a million, and the US won't help - ever.

What do western countries believe in? What do they stand for? Inmy view, what a country really believes in is what it is willing to fight for and what it is willing to die for. The people I've seen in the last few years holding signs that say, "War never solved anything" are telling us what they believe in: nothing.

"It's obvious through th... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"It's obvious through these types of comments that they think Democrats are weak willed pushovers."

The bad guys are just trying to terrorize you Heralder. Don't fall for it. Terrorists, by definition, are telling you things they think will frighten you, and why you choose to believe them is beyond me. They want you to believe that you are in grave danger as a result of the election. Why do you let them terrorize you like that?

The front line for the war on terror lies between the ears of every American.

The Republican party has systematically aided the terrorists repeatedly over the years by furthering the terrorist goal of frightening the crap out of Americans. The GOP did so for political gain.

The election is over. For a bipartisan united front to work, the GOP and its operatives, such as the conservative bloggers on this site, have to quit assisting in the terrorizing of Americans.

Democrats stand united and committed to fighting terrorism. If Republicans want to join in that effort then they need to put down the "Democrats are going to get you killed" political crap and get to work on supporting Americans instead of frightening them. The fact that conservatives bloggers, as clearly evidenced by this post, are still determined to frighten the crap out of Americans shows that conservatives are still -- as of this writing -- part of the problem, not part of the solution.

I hope that changes. America is going through a major sea-change with this election. I hope we can count on conservative Americans to change their tactics, and help Americans win the war on terror.

Don't be a victim any longer. Choose to not be victimized by terrorism. It starts there.

"Terrorists, by definition,... (Below threshold)
yo:

"Terrorists, by definition, are telling you things they think will frighten you, and why you choose to believe them is beyond me."

There are many reasons why we should choose to believe terrorists; but I'll simply give you one:

911.

Not being victimized by terrorism is not a choice.

I'll agree that the Dems want to defeat terrorism, the gig is that they don't have a plan. Or rather, their plan (under clinton) didn't work. Not to say it was a bad idea, but it flat out was not comprehensive enough to handle the problem.

As far as your comment about how the commenters here are aiding terrorism, that's ludicrous and insulting.

But, no .. let's do it your way. Let's pull out of Iraq, immediately. Let's bring our troops home and then deal with whatever consequences arise.

If you think violence in Iraq now is bad, just wait until we're gone.

Are you prepared to deal with those consequences?

Lee and "cat" are perfect e... (Below threshold)

Lee and "cat" are perfect examples of publik skool nihilists. They either don't know, or refuse to know, world history. Certainly they don't read anything that Islamists have written, either Bin Laden, et al, 1998 declaration of war on the Jews and Westerners, nor the Hamas Covenant (which talks significantly of the idea of "waqf"), nor the historical background of the dhimmi, nor all the strategies that Islam has used in the past to conquer right up into Europe, capturing Spain, that they are using again.

On the current path, Europe will be Islamic within a couple of generations.

And Leftist "progressive" values are European values, not American.

Lee and cat are like George McGovern who is meeting with democrats to plan America's surrender in Iraq.

yoRemember, this i... (Below threshold)

yo

Remember, this isn't just about America for Leftists..it's also about Jews...er ISRAEL.

They'd be perfectly happy destroying the US military as long as it means the end to Israel.

Darlene, your mention of Ke... (Below threshold)
yo:

Darlene, your mention of Keith Ellison on your site is a prime example that a goodly number of people who voted democrat have absolutely no idea what the stakes are.

Like I've been saying for years, they fail to recognize the threat. They fail to understand the history of islam and how these extremists are following the doctrine of that ideology (yes, since islam makes no separation between church and state, it is actually an ideology, not a religion).

Then again, you can explain every last detail of the stakes and the origins to a lot of people and they just give you a blank stare in return, then spout off about how Bush is Hitler.

lee, "Democrats stand unite... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

lee, "Democrats stand united and committed to fighting terrorism."

That has got to be one of the most stunningly dishonest lines I have ever read.

oh, wait!And for a... (Below threshold)
yo:

oh, wait!

And for anyone who thinks it a bogus piece of rhetoric to say that we're fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them, here:

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_world/view/240656/1/.html

Lee,Thanks for you... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Lee,

Thanks for your response.

The bad guys are just trying to terrorize you Heralder. Don't fall for it. Terrorists, by definition, are telling you things they think will frighten you, and why you choose to believe them is beyond me. They want you to believe that you are in grave danger as a result of the election. Why do you let them terrorize you like that?

I don't believe that to be necessarily applicable here. What I'm specifically worried about is that we won't be able to conduct hard-line diplomacy with them...i.e., "We've just sent a carrier strike group to your region...now about those reactors..."

Normally I wouldn't be an advocate of this, but Iran has shown it's absolute unwillingness to respond to carrots.
Unfortunately for them, Israel is fresh out of carrots. They've recently mentioned that a military strike on Iran is a last resort, but it's there.

As you know, I live and work in New York City. I was here for 9/11 and like most New Yorkers, we've pretty much kicked our fear of being attacked again since mid 2002. Not because we don't believe it will happen again, but because one has to dispel that fear if they are living in a crosshairs.

Perhaps a bit of my fear also comes from the inevitable shift of power. Not necessarily because it favors the Democrats, but because of what it symbolizes to everyone else. In one way it is construed as positive, and in many other ways, a signal of the decline of our power.

I say that merely because most of the Democrats favor pulling out of Iraq. Terrorists weren't cheering for the election win because they shared the same ideals or plans as Democrats...just the same goal for two entirely different reasons.

I really do hope that people like John "Okinowa" Murtha, Speaker Pelosi consider this fact:

If a plan makes your enemies, enemies that have slain many of your countrymen, clap and giggle in glee...it's a bad plan. Plain and simple.
You can justify it by any means, but it still comes down to the same exact malfunction. What's good for your enemies is bad for you...and a premature withdrawal would be an excellent development for the insurgency, Al-Qaeda, Iran and Hezbollah.


YoYou say that Ame... (Below threshold)
cat:

Yo

You say that America is "the only one with the balls to say enough is enough." Sorry, you're wrong. Out here, we all say enough - and we've had enough of you. Unfortunately some people are saying it with bombs. I don't agree with that, but you've been bombing us for decades. Go to Cambodia and Laos and ask the people there how many people died from your genocidal campaigns - and are still dying now. You should just think yourselves lucky that Asians so forgiving after you murdered millions of them.

So keep your self-righteous saving-the-world to yourself. And keep your bombs and armies to yourselves too.

Like I said, I don't agree with people bombing you. And I don't like it when other people get bombed for doing your dirty business. But it's hardly surprising that some people don't agree with me and think that giving you a taste of your own medicine is the only answer.

You're welcome in our countries as guests and friends. But when you come here with guns telling us what to do in our own countries, don't be surprised if that welcome is revoked.

catscatAh, you're ... (Below threshold)

catscat

Ah, you're not American.

Big surprise.

If you're in Europe, how does it feel to know you're going to be under Sharia within 25 years?

IF you're alive.... I don't give you much odds if you're a Jew (then again, Euro's would love to get rid of their Jews) or gay or a woman who doesn't want to wear a tent ... no more French wine or Swedish porn.

So, when it happens, FUCK OFF. There are endless fields of American dead through Euro who saved your ungrateful asses in TWO world wars and kept the communists at bay.

You can't even reproduce any more.

I'll miss Paris, especially when Notre Dame is turned into a mosque, but hey. Don't say you weren't warned.

Charming language, Darleen.... (Below threshold)
cat:

Charming language, Darleen. But *still* you don't get it. It's not just that we don't want your destructive help in the future. We don't want it now. Get the hell out of our countries *now*. Not in the future. Now.

When you stop "saving" us, you won't have any more problems from the people who are resisting you. And you'll have a hell of a lot more money to spend on your own problems.

http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=182

Why is this so hard for you people to understand. You moan and moan about your illegal immigrants - then you illegally emigrate with your tanks.

catscatAre we in G... (Below threshold)

catscat

Are we in Germany illegally? Japan? South Korea?

You know, you're like the spoiled bratty teenager that just knows his parents are stupid, oppressive, un-hip, unenlighted morons...

all the while eating the food the PARENTS bought, wearing the clothes the PARENTS bought and sleeping under the roof and enjoying the safety the PARENTS provided.

Hell, cat, you posting via the Internet...something us nasty Americans INVENTED.

But I realize like most Euro's where your bitterness comes from

impotency

that's why you all are turning Vichy for the Islamists.

Hey oyster:ryan... (Below threshold)
ryan:

Hey oyster:

ryan, if you want an honest opinion, I'm sick and tired of "now can't we get along?" as soon as the pacifier has been plopped in the mouths of some of the the most vindictive people I've run across.

that makes sense. im sure you've heard your fair share of bullshit...er...nasty rhetoric...from the left. i can understand why you might be pretty pissed.

*Now* they want to get along. *Now* they're tired of fighting. *Now* everything's gonna be okay if we just see reason and hold hands. The veneer is already wearing thin for some. Tell me, ryan, where was that sentiment over the last six years?

yep, it woulda been nice if people came around a while ago and wanted to get past some things. i agree. but it didnt happen, even though it should have.

so, if you want to stay pissed about it, i guess that's your right.

and by the way, dont try counting me in with people who have been bashing conservatives for the past six years...i got pretty tired of ALL polemicists a long time ago.

I'll tell you where it was - nowhere - just as it is now. It's fake. It's phony. So don't blow smoke up my arse and tell me it's cloudy.

watch out, you might dismiss someone who's genuine while you're making assumtions like this. nice plan.

And you know what else ryan? There's some bad language here but it's not too often that I see so many cuss words in every paragraph and every sentence telling everyone to be nice.

haha. ok. well, i guess you'll have to get over it. or you can have a standoff over that too. i admitted that i shouldnt have dropped in this post all half-cocked like that, and i know it. ya, i can have some knee-jerk reactions, and sometimes i regret them. big deal. i can at least acknowledge when i screw up.

but im not going to feel too bad about dropping a few f-bombs here and there. geeeeezus.

basic point: i wouldnt call myself a conservative, but i certainly respect the conservative viewpoint. but then, i wouldnt exactly call myself a liberal either. i take em as they come. read this: im not against you, so calm down.

or, keep holding onto the grudge. your choice.

The terrorists have us pegg... (Below threshold)
MattG:

The terrorists have us pegged. They are sooo much better at propaganda than we are at PR. It pisses me off. If the republicans won the election, they would have had some smart-ass thing to say also.




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