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Breaking: Al Qaeda Emboldened by Democrat Win

Al Qaeda has been revitalized by the Democrats' majority in both houses of Congress:

DUBAI, Nov 10 (Reuters) - The leader of Iraq's al Qaeda wing on Friday gloated over forcing outgoing U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to flee the Iraqi battlefield and said his group would not rest until it blew up the White House.


Abu Hamza al-Muhajir, also known as Abu Ayyub al-Masri, said in a purported audio recording posted on the Internet that the group has 12,000 armed fighters and 10,000 others waiting to be equipped to fight U.S. troops in Iraq.

"I swear by God we shall not rest from jihad until we ... blow up the filthiest house known as the White House," he said.

The Democrats' victory at U.S. Congressional elections on Tuesday were a step in the right direction, the speaker said.

"I tell the lame duck (U.S. administration) do not rush to escape as did your defence minister ... stay on the battleground," the speaker said. "The American people have taken a step in the right path to come out of their predicament ... they voted for a level of reason."

The authenticity of the tape could not be verified.

"The (U.S.) enemy if now wobbly. Today they are loading their gear to flee," the speaker said.

The American people who voted for the Democrats need to understand what they voted for. And it's not just al Qaeda in Iraq that's happy.

Let's begin with Iran first:

TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei on Friday called U.S. President George W. Bush's defeat in congressional elections a victory for Iran.


Bush has accused Iran of trying to make a nuclear bomb, being a state sponsor of terrorism and stoking sectarian conflict in Iraq, all charges Tehran denies.

"This issue (the elections) is not a purely domestic issue for America, but it is the defeat of Bush's hawkish policies in the world," Khamenei said in remarks reported by Iran's student news agency ISNA on Friday.

"Since Washington's hostile and hawkish policies have always been against the Iranian nation, this defeat is actually an obvious victory for the Iranian nation."

And this is what the leaders in Syria think:

Jerusalem (CNSNews.com) - Iran and Syria say that a Democrat-controlled Congress and the resignation of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld could relieve the pressure on them, officials from those countries said.


Both Iran and Syria have been under pressure from the U.S. -- Iran, for its refusal to abandon its nuclear program; and Syria for its alleged involvement in the murder of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri.

[snip]

[Syrian Information Minister Dr Mohsen] Bilal noted that incoming House Speaker Nancy Pelosi opposes the war in Iraq. "This lady has made the word of the American people audible," he said. "And this is very comfortable."

Syria, the backbone of Hezbollah, is comfortable with the American people's decision? This isn't good, folks.

Brian at Iowa Voice, who notes that Israel is very concerned about the new Democratic majority, writes this:

I said the other day that we're in for two years of defeat and retreat, exactly like we saw in the wake of Vietnam. That sentence was quoted over at the uber-lib Daou Report as "hate speech" (since when is the truth considered hate?).


Modern-day Democrats (and to a large extent, the people who voted for them) need to crack open a history book and see just what America was like in the mid-1970s up until Reagan restored the pride and dignity of this country.

We were held hostage by oil exporting nations, seeing gas and energy prices go through the roof. You think this summer was bad? Just wait. We had gas lines. We had inflation in the double-digits. We had interest rates that make today's credit cards look like a bargain. Unemployment was high. A recession. American citizens were held hostage for 444 days by a rogue nation that knew it had nothing to fear from the United States. The Soviet Union was screwing us on our disarmament treaties, were outbuilding and outspending us in the military department, and knew that we were too wounded to do a damn thing about it.

America, it was believed, was finished. That was the heyday of the Democratic Party. Those were the days of one-party government that led to real disaster. Democrats today complain about Republicans holding all the reigns, but they tend to forget that their party held all the branches far more often than we ever did, and they did far more damage to this country than Bush ever could.

To add more to this returning nightmare, we get word that Democrats have invited anti-Vietnam war activist and hero George McGovern back to help them do to Iraq what they did to Vietnam:

LINCOLN, Neb. - George McGovern, the former senator and Democratic presidential candidate, said Thursday that he will meet with more than 60 members of Congress next week to recommend a strategy to remove U.S. troops from Iraq by June.


If Democrats don't take steps to end the war in Iraq soon, they won't be in power very long, McGovern told reporters before a speech at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln.

"I think the Democratic leadership is wise enough to know that if they're going to follow the message that election sent, they're going to have to take steps to bring the war to a conclusion," he said.

McGovern will present his recommendations before the Congressional Progressive Caucus, a 62-member group led by Reps. Lynn Woolsey and Barbara Lee.

"The best way to reduce this insurgency is to get the American forces out of there," McGovern said. "That's what's driving this insurgency."

And from what al Qaeda's leader said in the new tape, the terrorists are planning on following our troops back home to finish the job.

By the way, Glenn Reynolds just received a book in the mail that argues that the threat of terrorism is overblown. As Glenn asks, "isn't that what Larry Johnson was arguing in the summer of 2001?

And Jane Galt is already having buyer's remorse because the Democrats want to socialize medicine? Boy does she have a rude awakening coming. She's got a lot more to worry about than just socialized medicine.

Nathan at Church and State notes that the Dems are lying;

Democrats duped half the country into believing we should get out of Iraq. Now, they are singing, "Stay the course" praises:
President Jalal Talabani said Thursday that he had been assured by Democrat congressional leaders during a recent visit to Washington that they had no plans for a quick withdrawal of U.S. forces.

One of them (a Democrat leader) told me that any early withdrawal will be a catastrophe for the United States and the world," Talabani, speaking from his northern hometown of Sulaimaniyah, told the Dubai-based Al-Jazeera satellite broadcaster.

This is so if they fail, while in power, they can simply blame Bush. Nice work, Dem's. Start your majority off by being exposed as liars before and after the election. Talabani didn't speak until after the election.

Update: Here's video from Fox News courtesy of LGF:

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Comments (69)

Accountability Moment.... (Below threshold)
JT:

Accountability Moment.

The leading cause of wingnut diaper rash.

Kim, you're kinda preaching... (Below threshold)
CayuteKitt:

Kim, you're kinda preaching to the choir here, it seems. The problem, to me, is that mainstream Americans get their news from MainStream Media sources.

That's not their fault by any reasoning! Americans are hard working and productive, and in their hective lives of juggling jobs, raising families, and trying to survive and get ahead and plan for retirement (decades away for our youngest workers), they have precious little time to glean newsbits relating to current issues. This means turning on network news or plopping open the newspaper in the morning over a quickie cup of java before screeching off to work while delivering kids to various and sundry locations on the way.

Those of us who turn to the blogosphere for our news have been lucky enough to both find the time to do so and to have gotten a clue on where to turn for hard news. But middle class working Americans, for the most part, just don't have the time nor inclination to devote X hrs. daily to politics, national and international issues, etc., except in selective soundbites.

The issue isn't that voters need to realistically consider what they've done to the country by voting as they did this past Tuesday. Rather, the question is: How the heck do we get the word out to other Americans that they're being fed filtered news via a proven Liberal MSM?

If the majority of Americans knew just how outrageously scandalous the MSM has become in their slanted reporting, we'd see a much different tone taking hold when dealing with current issues.

That's right JT, terrorism ... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

That's right JT, terrorism is a creation of the Republicans. Now we reap what we sow, right?

Since this served my puposes so well earlier...here it is again.

Kim,What you fail ... (Below threshold)
Rob:

Kim,

What you fail to grasp is that any large shift in the American political landscape, especially one that embarasses the administration, is going to be seized upon by the terrorists PR machine as a sign of American weakness. You make it seem as though Americans signed their own death warrant by voting blue on Tuesday. This is dangerous and inaccurate.

Rob,I agree, somew... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Rob,

I agree, somewhat.

It has specifically to do with the platform the Democrats have run on, which was immediate drawdown or outright withdrawal from Iraq. That plan, in my owm opinion is a strategic and political boon to Al-Qaeda and the insurgency.

while it may be dangerous, ... (Below threshold)
yo:

while it may be dangerous, I doubt your claim to its inaccuracy.

Oh, wait. That's right, I forget the dems have this plan for iraq and the war on terror.

Oh, ... wait.

Well alright then, it look... (Below threshold)

Well alright then, it looks like the pants shitters are off to a good start with their newly found majority.

Iraq will be just like Vietnam, the Democrats will do everything in their power to ensure it. Even going so far as to use the same persons responsible for that disgrace to perpetrate this one.

Rob, "You make it seem as though Americans signed their own death warrant by voting blue on Tuesday. This is dangerous and inaccurate."

That death warrant is all too possible, the enemies of United States are emboldened by actions of the Dems, their morale is high. They will pursue their plans of attack, world wide, with renewed vigor, confident in their success and confident that they will suffer no retribution by a nation now neutered by it's Majority Party.

Militant Islam is not going to go away because the Democrats want it too. As I've said over and over again "Bush" is not the cause of Islamic terrorism and the Democrats assuming power will not change that fact. The attacks will continue until one side or the other submits, which side do you think that will be?

Cayutekitt,Liberal... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Cayutekitt,

Liberal Bias in the MSM? NEVER! Read this BBC coverage on the very same audio tape from Al-Qaeda. The story is about three paragraphs long and mentions nothing abotu blowing up the white house.

The editing is brilliant. It actually makes it look as though Al-Qaeda is trying to be reasonable.

Wizbang: where terrorists g... (Below threshold)
jp2:

Wizbang: where terrorists get a megaphone.

Kim, why are you giving them a forum?

jp2:Giving them a ... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

jp2:

Giving them a forum? It's a little late for that. This has broken on every major news agency.

And the true winners on Nov... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

And the true winners on Nov 7, 2006 are, the worldwide terrorists movements. Any questions will be answered just like 9-11 answered the question about what apeasement (failure to respond to dozens of terror attacks on the U.S.)in the ninities did.

Still smiling and laughing about the country putting its head on the chopping block and handint AQ the ax.

I remember the dummie McGovern well. I was a dim at the time but also a member of the military so there's was no way on gods green earth he was getting my vote, then along came Dimmy and I knew it was time for a change.

jp2,back to the br... (Below threshold)
yo:

jp2,

back to the brand of douchiness only you can provide.

I thought we'd gone over the difference between framing and publishing terrorist rhetoric and the broadcasting of their propaganda video.

Ugh! Doesn't your ass ever hurt enough from the paddling you get around here?

Seriously, either lower the dose, or raise it, or .. come back when you have something reasoned to discuss.

Your lame-assed attempts to point out some form of hypocrisy is .. well, lame assed.

But we're used to that from you.

Get it through your heads -... (Below threshold)
JC:

Get it through your heads -

We DON'T CARE WHAT jihadists think of the U.S. electoral process. They HAVE NO INFLUENCE, and HAVE NO EFFECT on the good policies necessary to CONTAIN, SURROUND, DEFEAT, and render the jihadists obsolete.

I'm sorry you are left to d... (Below threshold)
jp2:

I'm sorry you are left to defend a place like Wizbang.

Nevertheless, continue your trolling of me unabated!

Let's not forget that Iraq ... (Below threshold)
kaz:

Let's not forget that Iraq was "lost" in 2003 when the looters started running wild in the streets of Baghdad because we didn't have enough troops to do the job. Our defeat was cemented when Rummy disbanded the Iraqi military and sent 2 million men into the streets of a country with 60% unemployment.

This occupation has been one major f---up after another. Finally, Bush has held Rumsfeld accountable but only after incalculable damage to our national security because of this fiasco.

But withdraw we must. Israel withdrew from South Lebanon and Gaza and it's still standing. The lesson we should all learn from that is to avoid occupying and nationbuilding in the urban areas of Arab countries. The terrorists want to draw us into urban-style guerrilla warfare because they know they can inflict casualties that way. On an open battlefield, they don't stand a chance in hell.

Bush blundered into this debacle and has put us in the position of having to eventually withdraw under fire one day. The Arabs will never stop shooting as us until we're gone. And then they will claim victory no matter how many of them we have killed.

This is not the way to fight a war on terror.


jp2, do you really think th... (Below threshold)
Shane:

jp2, do you really think that if we ignore them, they'll just go away? Do you think they'll stop even if we give them Bush's head on a platter?

Over the last two days, all... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Over the last two days, all we heard from the right (NRO, Rush, Redstate..) was how the GOP deserved to loose. The Republicans were doing a terrible job of running the country and the war in Iraq.

Now, the right is claiming that actually all the ails of the world were the fault of the Dems? Stop flip floppy, I'm getting dizzy.

JC,Some of us care... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

JC,

Some of us care very deeply if they are happy with our electoral choices, because we do not want to make them happy.

Kaz:The A... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Kaz:

The Arabs will never stop shooting as us until we're gone

o...now why didn't we think of that?

"I swear by God we shall not rest from jihad until we ... blow up the filthiest house known as the White House," he said.

Oh yeah, the article at the top of the page. That and 9/11 of course.

Let's not forget that Iraq was "lost" in 2003 when the looters started running wild in the streets of Baghdad because we didn't have enough troops to do the job.

I guess we lost the U.S. too when the L.A. race riots occured, and after almost every major natural domestic disaster when we didn't have enough police to stop the looting.

Our defeat was cemented when Rummy disbanded the Iraqi military and sent 2 million men into the streets of a country with 60% unemployment.

2 million? Iraq did not have an army numbering 2 million. Try 300,000 at highest estimate. That's not including those who would have died during the invasion.

Regardless, yes, that was a bad move by Bremer (that's right, not Rumsfeld).

This is not the way to fight a war on terror.

Agreed, we should run away. The we should go back in a few years and lose more lives after Al-Qaeda, Sadr or someone else stages a bloody coup on our exit and becomes a huge threat to everyone in the region.

Think violence is bad now? Give Al-Qaeda a country and an army.

Like this is a news flash? ... (Below threshold)

Like this is a news flash? Our enemies told us BEFORE the elections who they were pulling for.

Here's a hint to those of you who really do understand we are fighting a war (obviously this excludes liberals among us):

DON'T VOTE FOR THE PARTY YOUR ENEMY IS PULLING FOR.

Heralder - we're both wrong... (Below threshold)
kaz:

Heralder - we're both wrong from a quick search on the web:

But in 2003, the Iraqi army still had an estimated 430,000 soldiers and another 400,000 personnel in paramilitary units and security services.

Either way, it was a lot of men to throw onto the streets of Iraq. The former Iraqi military formed the vanguard of the insurgency we are fighting today. There's no denying that.

Our military estimates Al Qaeda's strength in Iraq at between 1,000 and 2,000. It is completely impossible for such a small force to take over a country of 26 million. We have 150,000 troops in Iraq and WE can't even control the place. How do you think 2,000 are going to? Do you think the Shiites and Kurds will just roll over and let Al Qaeda take them over? Do you understand that Al Qaeda grew out of Saudi Wahabbism which has almost no following at all in Iraq?

The Al Qaeda threat in Iraq is MASSIVELY overblown. If we stop trying to play policeman over there the Shiites and the Kurds will mop up the floor with those guys. It won't be pretty on CNN but it'll get the job done.

Heralder,Since WHE... (Below threshold)
JC:

Heralder,

Since WHEN what a jihadist think, change YOUR opinion of what needs to be done?

I am not interested a temporary change in jihadists attitude "happy", b/c of a change in the U.S. electoral changes. I care about the good policies necessary to CONTAIN, SURROUND, DEFEAT, and render the jihadists obsolete.

Believe me, they will be unhappy soon enough.

Get some resolve - don't let what a jihadist thinks psyche you out.

Good Lord. Terrorists and ... (Below threshold)

Good Lord. Terrorists and various thugocracies (Syria, Iran, Hugo) have just endorsed a Democrat majority and some people act like it doesn't mean anything.

JC - you keep saying you only care about the "good" policies that will contain, surround, etc.

So tell me, what ARE those policies with the Dems in power? Do you know something the rest of the country doesn't know?

Using Kaz 's logic, we woul... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Using Kaz 's logic, we would have withdrawn from WWII after D-day!

Kurds will not mop up if the liberal left continue to tie up their hands against these brutal terrorists.

It is sad that the terrorists are claiming victory through a Dem win. See what they really think.

JApan and Germany were alone in their defeat. Now the insurgency has a cheering section in the Syria, Iraq, and shamefully the liberal left in the west. These people are cheering for the terrorists and former Baathists to kill more innocent Iraqui women/children. I truly fear for the Iraqui people now when the Dems aksed McGovern to talk to them. I am afraid of a repeat of the Cambodian genocide. Except this time, they consequence will reach American mainland. Why can't we beat them? Because the left wants failure and advocates defeat. Why don't I hear the left calling for more decisive "tough" measures? Because they want the US to lose. What a shame! I am saddened by the election results. But that 's the choice of the American people. We can only hope for the best now.

Oyster, The terrori... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Oyster,
The terrorists knew the history and legacy of the liberals. The Dems cut off the funding to the South Vietnamese gov. That 's the way to fight the communists then and now that 's the Dems ' way to "fight" the terrorists. I shudder to think about the consequences for the Iraqui and the ME. The left was silent when an Australian mufti tried to justify rape even in the safety of America. Do you expect them to fight?

kaz,Man, I looked ... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

kaz,

Man, I looked that up too. My numbers were way different.

Either way, it was a lot of men to throw onto the streets of Iraq. The former Iraqi military formed the vanguard of the insurgency we are fighting today. There's no denying that.

I agree with that. I don't think it was a good idea.

As far as Al-Qaeda running a coup, not likely, no...and I don't think we can give much legitimacy to the 12,000 they say they just recruited. I can say without a doubt, however that they will step up their attacks on our departure...and without an outside regulatory force, they will wrangle their way into a more powerful position. Look at Hezbollah. They don't run Lebanon, but they've invested it, dug in like a tick.

I also noted the Sadr Army, which has a sizable force and much more political and religious backing.

If we stop trying to play policeman over there the Shiites and the Kurds will mop up the floor with those guys. It won't be pretty on CNN but it'll get the job done.

I have seen no evidence that this would happen.

JC,Since ... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

JC,

Since WHEN what a jihadist think, change YOUR opinion of what needs to be done?

JC, if your enemy does not change how you think you're doing something wrong.

I am not interested a temporary change in jihadists attitude "happy", b/c of a change in the U.S. electoral changes. I care about the good policies necessary to CONTAIN, SURROUND, DEFEAT, and render the jihadists obsolete.

Could you inform me of those good policies? Seriously.

Get some resolve - don't let what a jihadist thinks psyche you out.

I must be giving off the totally wrong impression: some bedraggled, nail-biting worry ridden guy hunched at his computer typing out paranoid diatribes at his computer. Not so. I'm trying to be logical, that's all.


We all know that the vast m... (Below threshold)
Gianni:

We all know that the vast majority of liberals are a bunch of wussies.

Al Qaeda knows it too!

We are now officially less safe than maybe at any time in history.

Blah blah blah.You... (Below threshold)
hansel2:

Blah blah blah.

Your opinions were tolerated before, now they're no longer wanted. The party's over and you guys just don't know when to leave.

Vast majority of liberals are wussies? Most liberals don't take a hot steamy dump in their pants every time someone barks "Al Qaeda!" Go hide under your desk, Gianni. Let adults - more fearless adults - handle the government now - and let the soldiers who are truly fearless, do their job. The government is no longer going to be run by neocon chicken hawk wussies who think they're tough. Go hide under your desk like the scared little child you are.

You spend the better part o... (Below threshold)
Daysleepr:

You spend the better part of the day complaining about other country's trying to influence our elections. Suddenly, tho, the opinion of leaders of other countries and terrorist organizations are valid.

Make up your mind. Stick to it. Do you care what other countries think about our voting? If we let the terrorists influence our election, we've really lost all hope.

Do you understand that A... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Do you understand that Al Qaeda grew out of Saudi Wahabbism which has almost no following at all in Iraq?

Not entirely true. The Sunni are a faction of (albeit a two or three-time removed cousin) Saudi Wahabbism mixed with a solid dose of B'aath Party politics and fascism. (Source: Stephen Vincent's "In The Red Zone". Vincent was a NYT reporter who has kidnapped and murdered as an act of retribution for exposing a plot and scheme by Sunni operatives who had infiltrated Iraqi police forces and were assisinating them at will.) Moreover, AQ in Iraq operates largely in the Sunni Triangle and western Baghdad.

Seems Al Qaeda in Iraq view... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Seems Al Qaeda in Iraq views the Democrats taking both Houses of Congress the same way they viewed the Socialists winning in Spain after the 3/11 Madrid bombings: as a victory for AQ.

Way to go, America.

"We all know that the va... (Below threshold)
MyPetGloat:

"We all know that the vast majority of liberals are a bunch of wussies."

Yet for some funny reason you probably have yet to day that to a single liberal face.

Daysleepr:<blockquote... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Daysleepr:

Make up your mind. Stick to it. Do you care what other countries think about our voting? If we let the terrorists influence our election, we've really lost all hope.

Let me explain. It's not that I don't want anyone to vote Democrat because our enemies would have been happy. I wanted Democrats to wonder why our enemies would be happy with that.

You both want us out of Iraq...the Democrats so they can save the lives of the troops and try to make people happy...Al-Qaeda and company because they (and many of us here) see that as a retreat, and as the beginning of the end for us.

Unfortunately, I agree with the terrorists on this one...if would signal defeat for the U.S. forces. There is historical precedence for this.

hansel2:... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

hansel2:

Blah blah blah.

Your opinions were tolerated before, now they're no longer wanted. The party's over and you guys just don't know when to leave.

How very American of you.

Vast majority of liberals are wussies? Most liberals don't take a hot steamy dump in their pants every time someone barks "Al Qaeda!" Go hide under your desk, Gianni. Let adults - more fearless adults - handle the government now - and let the soldiers who are truly fearless, do their job. The government is no longer going to be run by neocon chicken hawk wussies who think they're tough. Go hide under your desk like the scared little child you are.

By your reasoning, Chamberlain was the brave one and Churchill was the coward. Given your 'WWF-esk' debating style, I'm going to wager you're not familiar with the two men.. I suggest you 'google' them.

Mike: here is what liberals... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Mike: here is what liberals mean by "adult" (hint: "adult" entertainment). That 's why Pelosi is thinking of making Hasting, an impeached judge, to be the head of the intelligence committee. That 's what they mean. "Adult" means Cambodian genocide. Iran is claiming victory too. The bad guys of the world know what party would be helpful to them.

It is the Dems who made the claim that we should listen to the world. NOw the "world" is happy that Dem won the election.

You guys must have your rea... (Below threshold)
Brian:

You guys must have your reading filters on, to single out the Dems' wins as the only thing supposedly emboldening the terrorists. Let's review the very first line in the very first article quoted:

The leader of Iraq's al Qaeda wing on Friday gloated over forcing outgoing U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld

The Dems didn't fire Rummy. The Decider did.

The leader of Iraq's al ... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

The leader of Iraq's al Qaeda wing on Friday gloated over forcing outgoing U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld...

Brain, with all due respect: Take a remedial reading class. AQ in Iraq claims they, not the President are responsible for ousting Rumsfeld.

Uh, yeah, Peter, exactly my... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Uh, yeah, Peter, exactly my point. And they also take credit for the Dems winning. Neither are true. Yet the headline for this thread is "Al Qaeda Emboldened by Democrat Win", not "Al Qaeda Emboldened by Rumsfeld Being Fired".

Brian accurately summarized... (Below threshold)
Aubrey:

Brian accurately summarized conditions in the US after American troops departed and Congress shut down funding for the Vietnamization program that was supposed to help the Vietnamese defend themselves. However he overlooked what happened to the citizens of South Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos when the Communists took over. Somewhere between three and five million people were killed. Millions of others fled. No one today remembers the "boat people", escaping on anything that would float.

How many would die if a real civil war began in Iraq? How many would die if Iraq's neighbors decided to take over the valuable oil-producing regions, or maybe the whole country?

The Dems didn't fire Rummy.... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

The Dems didn't fire Rummy.
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The Dems didn't ask for Rummy to be fired. They didn't plan to investigate Rummy. Now the Dems are planning all kinds of probe against Bush adm.

Brian is a known intellectually dishonest liberal who only try to spin no matter what.

Iran just just claimed that Dem election victory is a win for them.

Aubery, also the Cambodian genocide (2 million killed or 1/3 of the population). That the historical record of the liberal left that the terrorists and their enablers have looked at. That 's why they are celebrating the Dem victory today.
If Brian is honest, the dems would demand Rummy to be reinstated to flout the terrorists. But they don't. Brian is too dishonest to acknowledge the obvious.

Brian,You've liter... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Brian,

You've literally just made me bang my head on my desk repeatedly. Your logic is stuck in neutral and I'm not sure I should waste the energy power in fingers to try and explain, but I'll do it as briefly as I can.

Here goes. Hang with me now: A Democratic win was the catalyst for Rumsfeld resigning. Both the Democratic win AND Rumsfeld leaving are viewed--however wrongly--as an AQ win by AQ. Therefore, they are "emboldened". Got it?

Peter, As I mention... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Peter,
As I mentioned, Brian is simply trying to spin no matter what. He has no interest in the truth. Look at what the Dems have done since winning the election:

(1) Talk about ousting their own moderate would-be chairman of the intelligene committee. Instead, they want to make an anti-war former impeached judge to be the chairman.
(2) Invite McGovern to come and talk to them
(3) Start the process to investigate the Bush adm

All the things that the terrorists expect the Dems to do when they win election. Brian is simply too dishonest to acknowledge these.

Oh onw more thing before I ... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Oh onw more thing before I go. The left in Germany has brought a lawsuit against Rummy and Cheney etc... Have the dems stood up and told these guys go to h*ll? Brian, let me know when they do. Otherwise, please be intellectually honest just for once. Even better if the Dems would demand rummny to be reinstated to send a strong message to a terrorist. They are busy planning for various investigations in the next 2 years. Brian will spin that is the way the dems will fight the terrorists.

Peter, you've been banging ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Peter, you've been banging your head against the desk too much, since it's apparently made you unable to understand simple facts.

The Dems won.

Bush fired Rummy.

Did the first influence the second? Perhaps (though not according to Bush). But it doesn't matter. My point was that Bush fired Rummy. The Dems can't "make" him do it. Bush could have fired Rummy, and he could have not fired Rummy. He's been asked to fire Rummy for years, and he didn't. Then he did. That's not spin, that's not dishonesty, and it's not even disparaging. It's just a fact.

Now that that's out of the way... the articles stated that AQ is emboldened because Bush fired Rummy. And the headline of this thread is AQ is emboldened because the Dems won. That is pure spin.

So what this tells us is that you plan to take everything that happens from now on, no matter what it was, and spin it as "A Democratic win was the catalyst for...."

Except, of course, something like "A Democratic win was the catalyst for the Dow Jones hitting its highest point ever."

Otherwise, please be int... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Otherwise, please be intellectually honest just for once.

We should have a drinking game where we drink every time you use the phrase "intellectual honesty". Even though you clearly don't know what that phrase actually means, and have never yet used it correctly.

Brian,Now THAT is ... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Brian,

Now THAT is the most worthless pile of spin-tard I've ever read. Your logic can be officially classified as FUBAR. It is absolutely worthless to even bother trying to have a sensible discussion with you.

After ALL Al Qaeda has said about how happy they are over the Democrats being elected in the past few days, and HOW much they were hoping for Democratic victory AND , you STILL think this is "spin" and don't see how the two are inextricably linked ...well, that's just fricking mindboggling.

I really hope you enjoy the world you live in. Whichever world that may be.

<a href="http://politics.wi... (Below threshold)
After ALL Al Qaeda has s... (Below threshold)
Brian:

After ALL Al Qaeda has said about how happy they are over the Democrats being elected in the past few days, and HOW much they were hoping for Democratic victory AND , you STILL think this is "spin"

No, let me try it again, this time slower for you:

NOT SPIN: When the news story is "AQ happy about Dem win" and the Wizbang article is "AQ happy about Dem win".

SPIN: When the news story is "AQ happy about Bush firing Rumsfeld" and the Wizbang article is "AQ happy about Dem win".

If you still can't understand, wait for your concussion to heal and try again later.

I really hope you enjoy the world you live in. Whichever world that may be.

Thanks! Life here in the world of "rational people who can read" is pretty good these days.

Always good to see the atte... (Below threshold)
Gianni:

Always good to see the attention starved lib losers that come here to play since no one else in life will talk to them.

They bow down to sr lib wuss hanoi john kerry, he of the christmas in cambodia, 1968 while nixon was in office seared into his mind.

They lick the boots of semper fool murtha who probably is as much of a useless alcoholic as fat ted kenendy, but at least kenendy knows where okinawa is, and that is NO PACE to put a quick strike force. (ted knows the sw pacific, as thats where he hides his money from the america taxes wuss libs say the rich never pay).

libs cut n run fron somalia, and although that battle was a HUGE victory for our soldiers, the perception is that we got our butt handed to us because kinton pulled out like libs normally do.

US is a weaker nation, not because of what we think here, or what the libs with no friends who come her ethink, we're less safe because terrorists overseas, and most likely those already here know the dems in charge will cut n run at first chance.

Heralder,Honest qu... (Below threshold)
mattyd:

Heralder,

Honest question (you're one wizbanger I can count on for a thoughtful answer). When terrorists contradict Republicans, the right calls it "propaganda" and "media manipulation". When terrorists validate Republicans, the right says "we told you so".

Is it possible that the right is being foolish when it uses isolated terrorist quotes to validate partisanship?

Doesn't that leave us open to all kinds of manipulation from our enemies?

And isn't it also plausible that blind, divisive partisanship (not you, but most wizbangers) is even more detrimental to effective security than periodic shifts in party preeminence?

Americans signed their own ... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

Americans signed their own death warrant by voting blue on Tuesday. Rob

First honest sentence Rob has ever posted. Just take a wait and see attitude. Oh, I forgot, that's what the dim's did in the 90' and we know the result of that tactic.

Still smiling and laughing about the election. I'll have to wait until after Jan to see the reaction of the few dim's that actually work and pay taxes when they figure out cancelling the tax cuts added 22% to their tax bill and the dim's have vowed to raise the tax rate even more.

I'll bet one of their first tax increases will be on SS benefits since they've figured out the last raise hit mostly the rich and us poor folks only had to shell out a few additional dollars. They want more and more to satisfy the Nazi/Communist manifesto statement 'we're going to take from you for the common good'. Who besides rich dim's are the common good?

ROFL and will bust a gut when the tax increases hit home on the idiot voters. That will make a cold blustery day seem like the 4th of July, warm and sunny inside anyway.

question to anyone who want... (Below threshold)
ryan:

question to anyone who wants to answer:

Let's assume that the Democrats do not have the answer to this Iraq war. And since it seems like a large portion of the American people aren't happy with the way that the present administration is handling the war, what IS the answer? If Republicans have the answers, then why are so many Americans unhappy with the way things are going???

I'm not baiting. I'm just asking. I may opinions, but I dont pretend to have all the answers by any means.

Brian is a known intellectu... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Brian is a known intellectually dishonest liberal spinner. He knows exactly what I mean and I presented the facts to show why he has been intellectually dishonest. So he is trying to divert attention from the actions of the Dems listed above. I noted that Brain never refuted those facts but try to divert attention to other peripheral issues. He is simply too dishonest.

Ryan, This is a fai... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Ryan,
This is a failure of communication. I said from the very beginning that the major mistake of the Bush adm was the underestimation of the depth of the moral corruption of the left and the dems party. Bush underestimated that the left and their propaganda MSM would be willing to undermine AMerica and provide free propaganda for the terrorists to defeat Bush and the reps. The war on terrorism and the war in Iraq specifically also involves PR and communication. Bush was simply didn't plan adequately for the PR war that the left is willing to wage on behalf of the terrorists to discourage the American electorate on the prospect of the war. During WW2, the press and the opposition Reps were fully behind the country. Now on day 1, the MSM and the dems were working for American defeat.

Ok, so you think that the L... (Below threshold)
ryan:

Ok, so you think that the Left has been a part of the problem, and that is relating to the past.

Do you really think that people on the left are willing to wage a PR war on the behalf of TERRORISTS??? Really?

But back to the original question:

What I'm asking is this: What's the answer NOW? Where do we take this?

Like with Clinton it is tim... (Below threshold)
bill:

Like with Clinton it is time to put the public back to sleep and get on with the Democrats socialist/communist agenda. Freedoms, who said anything about those, the nanny state will provide all you need, the line is over their.

The problem as I see it, the next terror attack is very likely to be nuclear, and very likely to be aimed at Israel. Then the mess will be huge. How long to the next Hezbo war? You need only walk the timeline of the effectiveness of the Clinton administration in fighting terror. Will likely take the terrorist 10 years or so, but it's obvious to everyone except a donk that talking to these people will just get you blown up. It worked well with NK, will work equally well with Iran.

ryan: I think the American people don't know the truth in Iraq, only the lies being put out by the drive by media. Unfortunately Bush has done a dismal job in pr for the war. War is a performance art, at home and on the battlefield. BTW, the donks plan for Iraq is Bush's plan for Iraq, there are no options -- victory or defeat. Defeat and the terrorist win, even the dumbest American can see the danger in that, well, maybe not the Murtha brain dead crowd, but that's what it is.

Here is a question, why hasn't Bush made anything of the nuclear material brought out of Iraq and even the New York Times admitted Iraq was about a year out when sanctions were lifted to having their first bomb. At least do a damn phot op showing the material and explain the danger. That's what I meant by dismal pr.

Bill,So then, what... (Below threshold)
ryan:

Bill,

So then, what IS the truth in Iraq?

Answering your question: Well, it seems that if Bush had that info he should definitely have promulgated it. Where did you read about this?

I noted that Brain never... (Below threshold)
Brian:

I noted that Brain never refuted those facts but try to divert attention to other peripheral issues. He is simply too dishonest.

Hmm, nope, don't see anything you wrote that is vaguely related to what I said. When you post something that's relevant to what I'm talking about, I'll be happy to refute it. When you state what exactly it is that you think I'm spinning, I'll explain it. When you keep using the phrase "intellectually dishonest" incorrectly, I'll laugh at you for being a buffoon.

Bush underestimated that... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Bush underestimated that the left and their propaganda MSM would be willing to undermine AMerica and provide free propaganda for the terrorists

Now THAT is funny! Right now Wizbang has THREE articles repeating some lame propaganda coming from the terrorists, and demanding the Democrats respond to them, thus providing even more media play. The Dems are ignoring terrorist propaganda. It's the RIGHT that's keeping the propaganda alive!

I said from the very beg... (Below threshold)
hansel2:

I said from the very beginning that the major mistake of the Bush adm was the underestimation of the depth of the moral corruption of the left and the dems party. Bush underestimated that the left and their propaganda MSM would be willing to undermine AMerica and provide free propaganda for the terrorists to defeat Bush and the reps. The war on terrorism and the war in Iraq specifically also involves PR and communication. Bush was simply didn't plan adequately for the PR war that the left is willing to wage on behalf of the terrorists to discourage the American electorate on the prospect of the war.

That's it, LoveAmerica Immigrant? That's the answer to why the American people (except for the minority here) have abandoned the Bush administration on every count? If I claimed Bill Clinton never did ANYTHING wrong but underestimate the Right wing pr engine and not have strong enough pr himself, that would be as bone-headed a remark as yours.

One of the reasons Democrats ask questions is because they would rather find the right answer to a problem than simply assume blind dilligence is strength. It's not. If you've ever built anything in your life, be it a house or a war, you'd know it's a trial of errors and solutions. EVERY OTHER PRESIDENT IN OUR HISTORY that has governed during war followed that logic. Numbnuts in office now doesn't - probably because he's been told his entire life that his opinion is always right (and he's had daddy and his friends to bail him out of every failure so he'd never have to REALLY examine them).

There are alot of smart people who post on this blog who undermine their intelligence with blind denial. NOTHING is black and white like the idiot in office has been telling you for the last 6 years. Most intelligent people know this. For some reason, this idiocy has become the operating procedure for the country. Good riddence to it.

Do democrats have all the answers? No, and I'd be equally deranged to suggest they do. All they DO have is the want to correct mistakes - and, yes, there have been a mountain of mistakes from this administration, so many it's overwhelming.

Stubborness is weakness. Denial is weakness. The people who hate us most will always fear us more if they know we're correcting our mistakes and thinking sharply. Republicans in office haven't done that in years - and they've been fleecing the country at every turn. These are the reasons your opinions are antiquated.

And, just to be clear (sinc... (Below threshold)
hansel2:

And, just to be clear (since many on this blog with take the word "the" and try to find alternate meaning to what is actually said) Bush admitting to mistakes now is, well, very convenient. And too late. You adjust your strategies as you go - because this moron decides to admit to a mistake or two 4 YEARS LATER is useless. It's helpful, but still not quick enough. If someone's coming at me with a gun and I've got a knife, how long is it going to be before I realize I should pull the gun out of my pocket instead. By Bush's schedule. The guy would've filled me full of holes before I'd finally say, "okay, maybe I shoulda used a gun. My bad." Quick reactions are what's needed by people protecting us. Not politics and stubbornness.

mattyd:I just saw ... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

mattyd:

I just saw your question:

When terrorists contradict Republicans, the right calls it "propaganda" and "media manipulation". When terrorists validate Republicans, the right says "we told you so".

That's a good point. However, what exactly do you mean by contradict? Things that immediately come to mind are actual propaganda, like the kind displayed by Hezbollah, and faked photography. In any case I can think of, terrorists contradict all American values, except maybe those of the extreme far left.
Even in this case, where were saying "I told you so" it's still propaganda...but the alarming thing is it's not contradicting American values. Actually, that's not entirely correct...it certainly is contradictory to our values, but it runs along the same platform espoused by a certain contingent of Democrats. I'm using the example of the convergent goal for both Al-Qaeda and Democrats, though for different reason.

That said, I do believe the is some degree of hypocrasy. I'll admit to that on my part. I mean, I've always written off the New York Times because of it's shotty reporting, but find myself linking to it when it reported on Saddam's nuclear research.

Is it possible that the right is being foolish when it uses isolated terrorist quotes to validate partisanship?

Certainly it's possible.

Doesn't that leave us open to all kinds of manipulation from our enemies?

Honestly, I'm not as worried about manipulation by our enemies, on the right. Why? Well, Al-Qaeda, despite their bluster, does not want us to stay in Iraq. The longer we stay, the more of them die, and the more the country (slowly) becomes stable. I don't see them cunningly tricking war supporters into bugging out early, where I do see them with the ability to intimidate anti-war advocates into leaving (or at least reinforcing their belief that it's a good idea).

And isn't it also plausible that blind, divisive partisanship (not you, but most wizbangers) is even more detrimental to effective security than periodic shifts in party preeminence?

It's more than plausible matty. We cannot stand if we are divided.
I don't think were to the point of it being actually physically detrimental to our government though. When you have two (simplified, I know there are technically more) political parties with competing beliefs on how to run the country, you're going to have disagreement. That's perfectly fine too. Impassioned debate is good, our founding fathers didn't exactly all get along.


Well, Al-Qaeda, despite ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Well, Al-Qaeda, despite their bluster, does not want us to stay in Iraq. The longer we stay, the more of them die, and the more the country (slowly) becomes stable.

Those assertions have no basis in reality. As we've killed oh so many AQ, there are more of them now than there ever were before. And Iraq, by the Pentagon's own estimates, is getting less stable, not more stable. The AQ leadership doesn't care how many foot soldiers we kill, since that helps them recruit more. And as the wingnuts keep saying, AQ members want to die, so why should them dying discourage them at all?

SPIN: When the news stor... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

SPIN: When the news story is "AQ happy about Bush firing Rumsfeld" and the Wizbang article is "AQ happy about Dem win"

Your contention is that one (Rumsfeld's resignation) has little or nothing to do with the other (how AQ views the Dems win), therefore the the title of this thread is somehow misleading. Fine, that's you BIG beef. Your big "gotcha", I suppose. Whatever. It's a small and insignificant. F*** me, for even attempting to correct your feckless and insignificant point regarding some kind of alleged attempt at spin.

The greater point in all this, and what makes you so completely stuck on stupid is that you don't connect the dots between how AQ, Iran, Syria and every other terrorist in between view a Dem win and Rumsfeld resignation as a defeat for America. The terrorists and their terroirst-supporting governments are emboldened by both of these events, and that is all that matters. Period.

Dude, have a glass of milk,... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Dude, have a glass of milk, eat a sandwich, do some freakin' thing to calm down. You're the one who's inflating one comment I made into some big huge thing that you feel you need to beat to death, along the way expanding it into things that I never said just so you can feel justified venting all over me.

Sure, I can connect the dots on lots of things. That doesn't mean that it's honest to take one dot and give it the headline from several dots away.

How about this... "Republican wins in 2000-2004 result in death of 3000 Americans". That's true, and there are obvious dots connecting them. But it's a ridiculous spin.

The terrorists and their terroirst-supporting governments are emboldened by both of these events, and that is all that matters. Period.

I'm sure they'll be happy to know that you care about them, are giving them lots of media play, and are achieving their goal of turning what they say into a wedge to divide America. I tend to not give much attention to empty rhetoric.

Dude, have a glass of mi... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Dude, have a glass of milk, eat a sandwich, do some freakin' thing to calm down.

This....this....is like discussing something with a stubborn young kid who constantly responds with flip remarks like "chill, dude" and comes across with the attitude of "no it's not...you're wrong..."

So, calmly, as I have been all along, I am done with you, Brian. This doesn't make you right, it doesn't mean you know what you're talking about, or that I am conceeding any point to you whatsoever on this matter. I'm just bored with you and find any further conversation with you utterly pointless and worthless.

dems are terrorists and sho... (Below threshold)
jimmy:

dems are terrorists and should be shot on site. Thats my belief and I aint shittin.

It's a line from <a href="h... (Below threshold)
Brian:

It's a line from Midnight Run. Something you might think to watch to lower your blood pressure.

As for "no it's not...you're wrong...", that describes only what you're doing. I'm at least providing the logical connection between the facts, what I stated, and how I got there. You seem to be looking right past anything related to my point, and trying only to reassert the meme that Al Qaeda loves the Democrats. That may be, but (a) I don't care, and (b) that doesn't mean that everything Al Qaeda says and does can be spun into a headline that it's a result of being emboldened by the Dems. Especially when it's directly referring to an action taken by Bush himself!

So, calmly, as I have been all along

Ha! That's calm for you? You've done everything but draw me a picture of the big vein in your forehead throbbing.

If you can't respond in a way other than obscenities and name-calling, then perhaps you should be focusing on your personal problems first before worrying about Al Qaeda.

In the meantime, I'm pleased you've decided to give up. (Yes, the Dems emboldened me!) I couldn't understand why you got worked up into a lather in the first place. I didn't say half the things you are so irate about, you apparently misunderstood another chunk, and you just completely ignored the rest. And while I didn't and don't disagree with some of the things you said, they are completely off-point, so I agree that there's no value in pursuing this.




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