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Moving on up

My blogging has been a bit scattershot the last two days. That's what happens when Real Life rudely interrupts my far-more-important blogging.

I don't talk much about the Day Job, but I'm going to break that rule now -- in a very elliptical way.

My company has decided that they don't want me to continue doing what I do for them. In fact, they want me to leave.

Because they're opening a new location about a hundred miles away -- and they want me to be one of the three to go there and get it up and running successfully.

They're playing dirty, too -- a $100 signing bonus, $3K in moving expenses, AND a 10% raise.

It means relocating from a spot 25 miles southwest of home to one 75 miles northeast, so moving is a distinct likelihood.

Today I took a road trip to the new location -- and it is VERY tempting. It's only a few miles from where I spent my first decade or so, it's right near a bunch of businesses I patronize (or would), and did I mention the money?

On the other hand, I really like nearly all my current colleagues and most of the people we do business with. And if I take it, I have to promise to stick to it for at least a year. That's not such a big deal -- I'll have 9 years with these folks come January. That will take me through my 10th anniversary, and there's some kind of semi-cheesy award for that.

So that's been taking up a big chunk of my time and thoughts lately.

Wish me luck, folks. This one is a real tough call.


Comments (29)

Jay:Think of it as... (Below threshold)
USMC Pilot:

Jay:

Think of it as an adventure, and definately consider the money.

They want you to make a one... (Below threshold)

They want you to make a one-year commitment? To commute 3 hours a day or move?

I'd consider it if they made a 3 YEAR commitment to you.

The commute will eat up the... (Below threshold)
Lloyd:

The commute will eat up the bonus in extra gas money in no time. But raises last as long as the business lasts. An expanding business is likely to be around a while, No?

Moving is Helk. But the longer I stay in one place, the more Helk it is moving. Having someone else move me is a happier thought. At no expense to me is even happier. Maybe it's that way with you, too.

It is hard to be fully rati... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

It is hard to be fully rational about those key decisions that affect one's life, when there are so many variables..I think you must follow your gut /if you can or can't do it?..At least this decision will only affect a few people...good luck!

$100 signing bonus... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
$100 signing bonus, $3K in moving expenses, AND a 10% raise.

That's really not that much money to move, but it depends on if you own or rent and how much stuff you need to transport. The important part is that your employer wants you to be one of just three people to get the business set up and running successfully. If you pull it off there's a high probability of promotion and increased wages in the future. On the other hand, if it fails, you're toast. From other post I take it you're in your mid 30's and single, which sounds to me like a good time to take a risk for a better future, yet you want to make sure the new location is good for whatever business you're in.

"from a spot 25 miles south... (Below threshold)
Knightbrigade:

"from a spot 25 miles southwest of home to one 75 miles northeast"

southwest to northeast.....I don't have a trusty compass, but by MY calculation, that has got to be farther away from mASSachusetts, going more northeast. Sooooooooooooo THAT HAS TO be as good a reason as any!!!! hahahaha.....

there's my 2 cents......GL guy

JayGotta keep thos... (Below threshold)
Frank:

Jay

Gotta keep those paychecks comming ...right?

I agree with USMC pilot....... (Below threshold)
mildred:

I agree with USMC pilot....take the adventure door...we have but one chance in life for many options....you will never regret it....

You meant $100K sign... (Below threshold)
observer 5:

You meant $100K signing bonus, not $100 signing bonus, right? Now that is an incentive.

Good luck! It sounds like a... (Below threshold)

Good luck! It sounds like a good deal to me. I would want them to promise to take me back at the original location after the year was up if it turns out to not so wonderful.

Is that "$100 signing bonus... (Below threshold)
Spoons:

Is that "$100 signing bonus" a misprint?

Spoons, I wish. But it goes... (Below threshold)

Spoons, I wish. But it goes along with the moving money and the raise. It's basically a day's pay. It would never be anywhere near enough on its own, but I see it as "found money."

J.

So instead of making $26k a... (Below threshold)
Smartguy:

So instead of making $26k a year you would be making $28k something?

I hope this is a job you do because you really, really love the work. If not, maybe a third option would be to look for a job that pays a livable wage. A $100 "signing bonus" for a 9-year employee is an insult.

I hate it too when real lif... (Below threshold)

I hate it too when real life interrupts blogging. Not enough hours in the day.

After a year, what happens?... (Below threshold)
VagaBond:

After a year, what happens? What if the new location is not fruitful for the company?

Do they move you back?

J,No kids or famil... (Below threshold)
Imhotep:

J,

No kids or family to pack up and the corp is still going to pay your health care costs?
That's a no-brainer, Bro...keep the job, sell the house (may even find money there) and move.

Life is an adventure; maximize the low risk adventures.

I

Jay,Luck.... (Below threshold)
Matt:

Jay,

Luck.

The only risks I've ever regretted were the ones not taken.

10 years ago, I terminated a semi-succesful career with no money in the bank and no guarnteed job. I had a mortgage, wife and two kids. Taking the risk was worth it, I am much better off today than I would of been if I hadn't taken the risk.

Matt

Savor the change! 6 mon... (Below threshold)
Arthur:

Savor the change! 6 months after the move is complete you'll wonder what you were worried about. And it's not as if you can't drive a couple of hours on weekends to visit your old friends.

They trust their future suc... (Below threshold)
Duane:

They trust their future success with YOU. Forget the absolute numbers, it's a no-brainer for sure. Yeah, moving sucks, but it's SO CLOSE to where you are now.

I'm ten years beyond where you are now and from my perspective you have a golden opportunity.

Duane

They want you to spin up a ... (Below threshold)
Ric Locke:

They want you to spin up a new store.

And you're thinking about it?

If you're confident of your ability to do the job well, it's a no-brainer. Even if the company you're working for doesn't reward you properly for the effort (and the pinch-mouth offer hints that they won't), another one will with that on your record.

The only possible reason for looking this gift horse in the mouth is whether or not you think the environment of the new store is such that it will make money. If not -- if you think they're setting you up to fail -- turn it down.

Personal reasons can be valid. If you have, e.g., dependents who don't want to change schools, the bonus and raise will be eaten up by commuting expenses. OTOH I gather you're thirtyish and single. If so, and the teeth on the trap aren't visible and sharp, go for it.

One hint: don't get an Internet connection at the new place. Concentrate exclusively on the new job for at least six months, waking and sleeping. We'll miss you, but with sixty million bloggers already you're better off seeing to your own future than to keeping us pacified. dig?

Regards,
Ric

J:My unsolicited a... (Below threshold)
OregonMuse:

J:

My unsolicited advice: take the job and the pay AND the relocation costs and move there. It sounds like a great opportunity to impress the suits with your unflagging enthusiasm, your unparalled problem-solving ability, and your devilishly handsome good looks.

Sounds like a win-win to me.

Jay,It sounds like... (Below threshold)
John:

Jay,

It sounds like a great opportunity. You might want to read up a bit on a negotiation tactic called "ethical negotation" (as opposed to positional negotiation).

This should allow you to negotiate a better position while creating more interest in their minds in your skills and your ability to help your company.

Often a company has some wiggle room. In my old company when they pitched to someone, they had an initial offer, a back-up offer, and a final offer. As you can imagine, it's good to get to that third round, but you have to do it without limiting your options.

Bad - "I couldn't possibly move for less than a 500 dollar bonus."

Good - "I'd like to propose a 500 dollar bonus, and I'm happy to agree to a one year committment. Over the year, this bonus will be pennies a day, and as you know I'll increace your bottom line by much, much more than that.

Before you negotiation know what is the most you could reasonably expect, what you would consider a good deal, and what the least you would settle for. Your company is making the same calculations.

Also, it's not in your companies best interest to steal anybody for the lowest price. They just get disgruntled employees with no longevity. HR knows this, which is why you should negotiate.

If I can help you in any way, I will.

Go for it, listen to John a... (Below threshold)
epador:

Go for it, listen to John and Rick. Except for the blogging thing. Just cut back a little.

Make sure your medical/dental support has continuity.

You can dooo eeeet!

Gee, Mr Jefferson, a $100.0... (Below threshold)
Sal Manella:

Gee, Mr Jefferson, a $100.00 signing bonus?? Well we're a movin on up, to the East Side....Are you Kidding me? $100.00 and a wopping 10% increase?? Did they offer you a 40 of King Cobra too? Are you desperate or something?? You a shoe salesman by any chance? Raw deal. Gettin USED my man. Think of the profits they make and the money they waste. Thats all your worth?? Oh yeah, their gonna pay to move you. Of course they are...LOL!!!

Jay:A number of go... (Below threshold)
USMC Pilot:

Jay:

A number of good points have been made, and if I may, I would like to put some of them together for you to consider. Lacking a complete picture of your situation, these are definately generalizations.

My comment about "think of the adventure" was best illustrated by Ric, who pointed out that the experience gained will, if not sufficiently valued by your present employer, be valuable to a future one. It's funny how we never seem to be as important to our currrent employers as we are to those in need of our skills.

On the issue of negotiating a better deel, I dissagree. The diference in $100.00 and $500.00 is insignificant, and can only cause friction between you and your boss. Go and do a great job, then see if you are properly rewarded. If not you can always seek rewards elsewhere. In addition this makes you look like a team player, not someone trying to squeese out every last penny. I have always believed that they give out the prizes after the race has been run, not the other way around, for a reason.

Since, this is definately a defining moment in your carreer, the comment from Ric about internet connections is extremely important. Don't make everyone else crazy, but apply yourself like a starving dog on bone. Make sure that your subordinates are doing their jobs, but give credit to any of them that deserve it whenever possible. You will be surprised at the level of co-operation and effort that you get out of them.

If you take the job, we will miss you (for at least sim months), but we'll get by.

Sounds like a weiner! Now ... (Below threshold)

Sounds like a weiner! Now if I could only find another job that pays me as well as this one and I would actually "like" going to five days a week.

USMCPilot, I'm going to qui... (Below threshold)
Ric Locke:

USMCPilot, I'm going to quibble a bit. "Think of the adventure" is the wrong concept. It's think of the opportunity.

In the modern economy, businesses and companies die all the time. When they do, passive people, the folks who expect to just do their jobs and be continually rewarded, are left in the lurch. But the things the companies and businesses did don't disappear. They continue, being done by new enterprises that spring up. Dinosaurs die, leaving opportunity for millions of gerbils to lead happy and productive lives :-)

In that environment, a person with a track record of successfully starting a new enterprise -- whether something all-new or a new division/section/store of an old one -- is worth his weight in your choice of precious metals. The opportunity to get something like that on your resume is not to be passed up unless something external and extremely forceful counterdicts it.

The only thing I can think of that would definitely speak against it would be the possibility that your current employer doesn't like you and is deliberately setting you up to fail by placing you in a position where you cannot succeed due to factors outside your control. Since a new startup is expensive, one would assume that they wouldn't spend so much to disadvantage you when they could simply fire you. But it's worth investigating.

Absent that, go for it. Really. You may not get another chance.

Regards,
Ric

A $100 signing bonus??? Th... (Below threshold)
CharlieDontSurf:

A $100 signing bonus??? That's ONE hundred dollars??? You've got to be kidding. It costs them more than that to do the paperwork.

JayI doubt if $3K wi... (Below threshold)
mg:

Jay
I doubt if $3K will pay for a household move unless you are single without and without a lot of stuff to move.




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