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Who Would Have Seen This One Coming?

Leave it to journalists to make a fuss over the most unremarkable news items. As has been much ballyhooed in the press, Jim Webb, the Democratic Senator-elect for Virginia, demonstrated a lack of class by causing an unnecessary row with President Bush.

At a Christmas party, President Bush asked Webb about the well-being of his son, who is serving in military. Instead of a normal answer to this kind query, Webb shot back that he'd like his son home from Iraq.

Now, not to put too fine a point on things, it seems clear from this exchange that Jim Webb is a jerk. And this discovery, apparently, was worth lots and lots of darkened wood pulp in newspapers across the country. Extra, extra--read all about it: Jim Webb is a callous jerk.

Are we, the crack young staff of "The Hatemonger's Quarterly," the only ones who find this whole story entirely unremarkable? We mean, come on: Jim Webb is a peevish goon. Exactly who didn't know that already?

Long before Mr. Webb managed to eek out a victory over Senator George Allen in the recent mid-term elections, we recall reading hand-wringing articles by Democrats about Webb's congenital lack of congeniality. He doesn't campaign well because he doesn't smile or like to meet people, we were told.

Well, gee: Surprise, Surprise--Jim Webb turns out to be a total schmuck. An ill-mannered grouch, in fact. Wow: Color us amazed. We never saw that one coming. Next you'll tell us that Karen Carpenter was a bit thin when she died.

If these recent Jim Webb revelations threw you for a loop, here are a few other news items that will have you positively gasping:

1) Rep. Charles Rangel doesn't possess a particularly mellifluous singing voice.

2) Senator Charles Schumer is loquacious. What's more, some consider him self-impressed.

3) Rep. Tom Tancredo has strong feelings about illegal immigration.

4) At some point in her life, Rep. Nancy Pelosi may have undergone plastic surgery.

5) Senator Ted Kennedy has a bit of a drinking problem.

6) Rep. Charles Rangel may not possess a particularly mellifluous singing voice, but he does own lots of hair gel.

(Note: The crack young staff normally "weblog" over at "The Hatemonger's Quarterly," where they are currently debating another headline-grabbing query: Is Keith Ellison a Muslim?)


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"...demonstrated a lack of ... (Below threshold)
jp2:

"...demonstrated a lack of class..."

And I quote the VP:

"Go f**k yourself."

Did you write about that one?

Just because he was so succ... (Below threshold)
epador:

Just because he was so succinctly able to describe your favorite activity, jp2, is no reason to post about it.

jp, if you can't see the di... (Below threshold)
yo:

jp, if you can't see the difference between the two, then there's really no point in further discussion.

Clearly, Webb showed a lack... (Below threshold)
Delta OP:

Clearly, Webb showed a lack of respect to President Bush on this occasion. For some reason some on the left are of the opinion that the President was wrong when he responded to Webb's answer by saying that was not what he asked. The President took the time to remember that Webb had a son serving in Iraq and Webb took the opportunity to make a self-serving statement instead of politely responding to the question that was asked. The President has always shown a lot of respect for our men and women in uniform but he does a lot of it in private (face to face meetings with the families of the fallen, visits to Walter Reed, etc.) - he is not looking for publicity because he respects those who he calls upon. Webb's behavior was uncalled for - he knows damned well that the President knows what his feelings are about the war but he was invited to the White House by the President and as such he has an obligation to act with the required amount of respect - not go to the media and say he wanted to slug the President after their exchange. Is it me or have their been more allegedly responsible adults in public office saying they wanted to harm President Bush? First it was Senator Landrieu and now Jim Webb and we won't even go into the assassination dreams of the far, far left...

The far, far left? The same... (Below threshold)
Domino:

The far, far left? The same people mailing suspicious powder to the NY Times and Democratic politicians? The same far, far left that murdered American citizens in Oklahoma City? Please describe one thing the far, far left has done that has made your life worse, Delta OP.

Jim Webb's opinion of President Bush mirrors that of most Americans, and he has the cajones not to be a phony about it. It's refreshing to have an individual elected to office who doesn't communicate solely in mealy-mouthed political speak.

Oh, and you people should probably stop referring to George Allen as a senator, 'cause he's not. He's a racist piece of garbage with no political future whatsoever.

Well stupid how do you t... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

Well stupid how do you think the party of fraud pulled that one off? Oh ya , the stupid lazy democrat Media. The Democrat party was made for Idiots who can't think for themselves, are lazy and would rather lie than actually work for a living.

"Please describe one thing the far, far left has done that has made your life worse"

LIE OUT THEIR ASS!

If Webb so fervently dislik... (Below threshold)
fatman:

If Webb so fervently dislikes the President, then why did he accept an invitation to the White House Christmas party?

Rob, genius, how have those... (Below threshold)
Domino:

Rob, genius, how have those "lies" made your life worse? Does the kid with a septum piercing and an "Anarchy Rulez!!!" t-shirt really affect you? And are you saying that a majority of Americans are lazy idiots who can't think for themselves? Why do you hate America, Rob? The far right are the only Americans that pose a threat to the nation, Rob. They're the ones who are okay with using violence to further their xenophobic agenda, so howzabout you think a little harder before soiling the internet with your lunatic outrage.

Webb made it clear during the campaign that he does not want his son to be a topic of discussion. He had the integrity not to use him as political leverage, and he didn't want his opponents using him as leverage either. He still feels the same way. Had Bush not mentioned his son, Webb would not have been so terse with him.

And Dick Cheney telling Murphy to go fuck himself IS worse, as it's non-substantive and purely vulgar. Webb was making a point--as a father, he would like his child to be removed from harm's way, whereas Bush is still all about stayin' the course, casualties be damned.

As far as I'm concerned, Ji... (Below threshold)
hansel2:

As far as I'm concerned, Jim Webb is my new favorite senator. There's a culture in Washington which dictates that these guys (and gals) talk in niceties when ACTUALLY speaking to one another face to face. So much for standing up for your personal conviction.

Myself, I'm from the East coast. You're respected more for having an opinion and voicing it rather than egg-shelling around it or sitting on a fence. Those senators who conclude that it's unheard of to call someone like the President a "liar" are so far up their own asses they've forgotten what this process is supposed to be about.

Bush deserves no respect, yet he demands it. If he's really shocked when someone like Webb expresses what the entire country is feeling (except for those in fantasy land on this blog) than he's in a bubble that deserves to be burst.

His arrogance mirrors his dad's - a man who felt his position was his birthright and appeared pissed off when asked "real" questions by those not content with kissing up to him (just one example - watch his testy response to Tabitha Soren's questions during his train campaign from 1992).

This arrogant ass we have in office now should be prodded with these kinds of questions regularly. It's what the American people are looking for - the real face behind his frat-boy smile. Anyone who thinks we should pussy-foot around our Commander in Chief and give him respect simply because he holds office should move to North Korea. You don't understand your duty as a real American.

And, so as not to leave any... (Below threshold)
hansel2:

And, so as not to leave any room for interpretation, Webb was doing just that - speaking frankly and not playing nice. Call him what you will, he was right for what he did and always wiill be.

And Bush was not sincere. The man doesn't know the meaning of the word.

Oh, and you people... (Below threshold)
Old Coot:
Oh, and you people should probably stop referring to George Allen as a senator, 'cause he's not. He's a racist piece of garbage with no political future whatsoever.

Domino: On that basis may I and my people also stop referring to Robert Byrd (D-KKK) as a senator?

Domino, it was Leahy that C... (Below threshold)

Domino, it was Leahy that Cheney told that to. Who's Murphy? Leahy, that bastion of civil discourse. Leahy, the guy who would keep a secret to his grave. Leahy .... oh nevermind.

Yea, Cheney was stupid for saying that, and Webb is wrong too.

However, your comment: "Webb made it clear during the campaign that he does not want his son to be a topic of discussion. He had the integrity not to use him as political leverage, and he didn't want his opponents using him as leverage either." This was not a "topic of discussion" using Webb's son during a campaign moment. It was a Christmas party and a sincere inquiry by the President as to how Webb's son was; not a "political leverage" moment. Then Webb goes on later to the media about how he wanted to slug him? It seems to me that Webb has indeed dragged his son into the public arena.

If you were honest, you'd admit that Webb's lack of civility is also wrong. But these are people, just like us and they get testy too. They're all guilty of using colorful language. All I'd point out is the events that lead up to each encounter has some bearing on it. Cheney's outburst was immediately following a verbal sparring over accusations about Halliburton among other things. Webb's remark was immediately following a simple question as to his son's well being at a Christmas party. I'm sorry you can't see the difference.

Domino,VP cheney d... (Below threshold)

Domino,

VP cheney did not tell Murphy to F himself, he told Sen Leahy. Being one of the Senator's constituents, I agree with him. Name one thing the far left that has made my life worse.. Let's see maybe facism on college campuses, limiting my freedom of speech, freedom of expresion, freedom to own a gun, limiting my freedom of opportunity via affirmative action, relased a plaque of scum bag politicians (Kennedy, Kerry, Reid, Dodd, Clinton, etc) on the nation, threatened to take away my home to give to another developer. Let's not forget unfettered access to infanticide. Shall I go on?

As much as I loathe the Republicans, I hate the democrats even more! I am sick of them telling me how open minded and tolerant they are as long as I agree with their lopsided agenda. Once I disagree, I am a racist, mysoginest, name you phobia devil.

I think the theme of the pi... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

I think the theme of the piece is correct in that Jim Webb saying he wanted his son home from Iraq is non-news. What father wouldn't what their son home from a war zone? Conservatives want the troops home as well, but in a way that we don't have to send a future generation back to finish the job.

Yes, the American electorate voted to get out of Iraq, but they did that based on the promises of the Democrates who are now backtracking in the face of reality. The Democrats find themselves in the quagmire they helped create to win back Congress and now their strategy is to claim nothing can be done in Iraq. That strategy may sound good to the loyal members of the "can do anything" party, but it may not sit well with the American electorate in 08. Only fools think that everyone who voted for a Democrat in 06 is a loyal Democrat. The Democrats need to find real solutions or their turn in power will be real short.

Maybe Webb wants his son ho... (Below threshold)
drjohn:

Maybe Webb wants his son home so that he can put his boy's penis in his mouth.

Again.

And Dick Cheney telling ... (Below threshold)
drjohn:

And Dick Cheney telling Murphy to go fuck himself IS worse, as it's non-substantive and purely vulgar. Webb was making a point--as a father, he would like his child to be removed from harm's way, whereas Bush is still all about stayin' the course, casualties be damned.

Isn't this typical? Liberals know it all- it's the facts they can't get right.

Yea, Cheney was stupid f... (Below threshold)
drjohn:

Yea, Cheney was stupid for saying that

I don't agree. Leahy has assaulted Cheney personally in a non-stop fashion for six years. Leahy, who cannot be trusted with classified information, got the least of what he deserves. I would have loved to see Cheney knock Leahy on his ass.

Yeah, Webb is a freaking ge... (Below threshold)
Denise:

Yeah, Webb is a freaking genius. Picking a tiff with your son's boss is right down his alley.

I pity the Commonwealth of Virginia for the next 6 years with this loose cannon in D.C.

hansel2 - your quote:... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

hansel2 - your quote:
"And Bush was not sincere. The man doesn't know the meaning of the word."

What evidence do you have of this?

Bush showed some class. Ji... (Below threshold)
Jo:

Bush showed some class. Jim Webb showed he does not have any. What a shocker.

Okay, time to correct the r... (Below threshold)
Carla:

Okay, time to correct the record and explain why Bush is the schmuck, not Webb.

Webb was attending a traditional reception for new Senators, not a "Christmas Party". It was an opportunity for Webb to meet his new colleagues and he had every right to attend. He wasn't planning a confrontation.

Next, Webb is not just a guy with a kid fighting in Iraq, although he sure as heck is the only Senator with one there. He was a strong critic of the decision to go to war, calling it a "strategic blunder of historic proportions". Much of his campaign attacked the incompetence of the Bush administration in running the war. Bush is well aware that Webb holds him responsible for the war.

At the dinner that night Webb did not participate in the fake nicey nice receiving line and photo op where guests are given photos of themselves with the President for their ego walls. Webb was just hanging out. Bush approached him, they shook hands, and Webb introduced Bush to his wife. Bush then said "how's your boy?" (a rather familiar usage for a guy talking to his political enemy, but whatever). Webb responded "I'd like them out of Iraq, Mr. President." Not strident, not shouting, not obscene, and using the honorific. Bush replied "that's not what I asked. How's your boy?" This is where he a) dropped the facade that this was just one caring parent talking to another; and b)attempted to assert dominion over Webb by virtually demanding that he answer the question. No one asserts dominion over Webb. He then replied "that's between me and my boy, Mr. President," and walked away. In this part of the exchange Webb not only refused to kow-tow, but complied with the requirements of civility in stating his point quietly, without stridency, and using the honorific. He is an independent, free American citizen who understands he has the right not to discuss his personal life or family members if he does not want to.

What one poster said was true. Webb never discusses his son. He refused to put him in commercials. He believes discussing his son is like saying his problems are more important than those of other military parents, and it may put his son in danger by focusing attention on him. What was Webb supposed to say about his son to Bush "I'm worried, Mr. President, he's being shot at all the time," or "glad that when I hear casualty reports they're some other parents' kid and not mine?" He's not going to say that he's fine, because he's not, he's in an unnecessary war started by the guy Webb is talking to.

Jim Webb is a sincere, blunt, no-nonsense, and serious man who does not gladhand and will not be pushed around by anyone. However, he's not so hardcore that he won't work with others. He has already approached the Democratic leadership with his proposed legislation for a new GI Bill and is willing to have it go forward without his name on it if that will help. How many politicians would do the same? He is probably the best friend the military and veterans will ever have in the Senate, bar none, and his plain-speaking style will draw comparisons to Truman. I'm proud he's Virginia's new senator.


Webb sounds like a whimpy a... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Webb sounds like a whimpy ass coward to me. (then of coarse he is a democrat).
carla--does he also sing in the choir?
domino--you still are a lowlife piece of scum ( re-sniper thread)

Carla, well of course Webb ... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

Carla, well of course Webb is "an independent, free American citizen.... a blunt, serious man who does not glad hand...". Frankly, I think one can easily criticize the President for many things but my impression (from afar) is that he has been a quite civil individual to many folks who did not deserve that treatment from him. However, I think Webb was rude. The qualities you describe him as having could serve him very well as a senator. But, they do not provide a justification for rudeness. Unfortunately, the armed forces today are a volunteer organization. Webb's son is an adult and is in the armed forces voluntarily.

jhow66 wants to call Webb a... (Below threshold)
Carla:

jhow66 wants to call Webb a "whimpy ass coward"?

Really, jhow, you don't know much about the man, do you? At the Naval Academy Jim Webb was a boxer and later graduated first in his Marine Combat training class of 248. A gifted infantry officer, he is one of the most highly decorated heroes of the Vietnam war: Navy Cross, Silver Star, 2 Purple Hearts, 2 Bronze Stars. He once threw himself in front of a live grenade while pushing one of his Marines out of harm's way. It was the second grenade to hit him that day. As Reagan's Navy Secretary he took on Frank Carlucci and tried to save the 600 ship Navy, resigning when he was overruled. He went to Beirut and made an Emmy winning documentary about the Marines there. He wrote THE classic novel of the Vietnam War, "Fields of Fire". He was an embedded journalist in Afghanistan. He wrote and co-produced the movie "Rules of Engagement." He has traveled widely around the world, particularly Southeast Asia, and speaks Vietnamese fluently.

Anyone who's followed Webb's career knows he fears no man. Having become a Republican during the Carter years, after years of discomfort over Republican fiscal policies and then horror at the decision to go into Iraq, he returned to the Democratic party as one of the new breed of "Blue Dog Dems". He counts as friends John McCain, Chuck Hagel, John Warner, and Pat Buchanan. He is courageous, obstinate, blunt, and authentic. Next to him Bush is a craven little worm.

Oh, and I don't think he sings in a choir, but what's it to you? Maybe you'd like to get up in his face and say something about it, but I sure as hell wouldn't.

Carla,I wish I could... (Below threshold)

Carla,
I wish I could articulate my position half as well as you do. During the 06 election cycle I would stop in at wizbang and try to correct right wing talking point by using facts, while trying to stay away from name calling. As a part-time troll I could really get under the right wing skin by just posting a link to an article that would deflate a wingnut misconception. Some days the outright lies and half truths that pass off as fact here are astonishing. Keep up the good work.

carla --but he is not "man... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

carla --but he is not "man" enough to treat the President of the USA as such--in my book he is a coward for that no matter what he has done before--and yes I would tell him so to his face.

Uhhh [email protected] do you sing in ... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Uhhh [email protected] do you sing in the choir also--no link?

What? Karen Carpenter was ... (Below threshold)
SShiell:

What? Karen Carpenter was thin?

Wow, every time I see this ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Wow, every time I see this story retold by those on the right, they omit Bush's obnoxious response, and portray Webb as a boor. Carla got it right. Bush asked (and don't pretend it was coming from "concern"; it was just perfunctory smalltalk), and Webb answered respectfully. Because it wasn't a cowardly "he's fine", Bush got testy. You may not care, and you may cheer Bush on in this behavior, but don't pretend it was anything other than it was.

It looks like the crack 12-year old staff of THQ can lie like the best of them.

Webb has a right to be grou... (Below threshold)
observer 5:

Webb has a right to be grouchy around Bush. He followed the family tradition of service in the military and earned the Navy Cross, Silver Star, 2 Bronze Stars and the Purple Heart while Bush was getting into the National Guard and partying so heartily that he couldn't take his flight physical or get promoted to O-3.

Webb's son is in Al-Anbar province, a very bad place, in the "Fiasco," following that same tradition of serving in combat, while Jenna and Barb were following their family tradition of partying heartily.

The other thing is, it show... (Below threshold)
observer 5:

The other thing is, it shows how "Honor Our Veterans" and "Support Our Troops" is abandoned when it comes to promoting some right-wing theme.

When brave Americans are dying and being maimed for life in the Bush-led fiasco in Iraq, civility and politeness are overrated.

Sure, Bush is the "boss" of Webb's son. But it's also true that Webb and his son, like the rest of us citizens, are the "boss" of Bush, however much Bush has pretensions of being the royal "Decider."

If I were Webb, I'd be concerned that the "Decider" might order a particularly dangerous mission for Webb the younger's unit.

Webb in 2008.

Carla: Most of what you've... (Below threshold)

Carla: Most of what you've imparted is based on an opinion you have of Bush. And your glowing endorsement of Webb does not include the kind of politics he employed during the campaign, and which he got back in return; among other things. But if you're happy with him, that's great. And I don't mean that snidely.

From someone with a differing opinion of the parties involved, the whole exchange could be construed as Webb being snide (just because he wasn't 'strident' or 'shouting' doesn't mean he couldn't have meant it rudely) and Bush letting him know that he wasn't interested in a confrontation; that he only asked out of politeness. Simple politeness in return is never a bad thing.

I was under the impression it was a "holiday" gathering, so my bad there.

Nevertheless, none of us was there. We don't know who meant or did not mean what. What I found to be classless is that Webb thought it okay to state later that he felt like slugging Bush. Well, if he's that irascible he might be in the wrong profession. Were I a politician, that is not something I would thoughtlessly impart to the press. It made him sound more like a hothead than 'serious' and 'no-nonsense'.

If these politicians are shocked at the lack of civility from Americans in everyday political discussion, they need only look at the example they set.

For a local political asses... (Below threshold)
Soreback:

For a local political assessment of Webb's conduct, I recommend you read the following by Jeff Shapiro who writes political commentary for the Richmond Times-Dispatch. This gives a Virginia perspective on the consequences for Webb: http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=Common%2FMGArticle%2FPrintVersion&c=MGArticle&cid=1149191977661&image=timesdispatch80x60.gif&oasDN=timesdispatch.com&oasPN=%21editorials%21commentary

Worth repeating:"c... (Below threshold)
RM:

Worth repeating:

"carla --but he is not "man" enough to treat the President of the USA as such--in my book he is a coward for that no matter what he has done before--and yes I would tell him so to his face.

Posted by: jhow66..."

Carla, "there you go again.... (Below threshold)
rm:

Carla, "there you go again..." No need to ramble about past accolades; present boorish behaviour is not justified by all that woohooing. "...you do protest too much..."

Yeah, jhow66, I'm still sma... (Below threshold)
Domino:

Yeah, jhow66, I'm still smarting from that lethal verbal smack-down, where you stated that if you were to find me firing a sniper rifle at American soldiers, you would insert a hand grenade into my rectum. See, the thing is, if I were doing that, which I wouldn't be, you wouldn't find me, because you would be sitting in your basement in fly-over country, nowhere near any American soldiers in Iraq. Acting like a tough guy on the internet doesn't make you look tough--it makes you look pathetic.

Oh, and I typed in Murphy and not Leahy, because I made a mistake. The relevant info was accurate, though, as Cheney did indeed utter the offending phrase on the Senate floor. Classless bastard.

If you want to call Robert Byrd a racist piece of shit, Old Coot, please, go ahead. I don't know if he still holds those beliefs, but it is disgusting that he once did. Unfortunately for you, you still do have to refer to him as a Senator, as he currently holds the office. I requested that THMQ not refer to Allen as such, because he lost the election, and he lost that election in part because he is a racist fool. This is particularly delightful for me, because he was Conservativism's great hope for the presidency in 2008, and now he'll be lucky to find work as a lobbyist. Sort of reflects the whole movement, doesn't it.

hansel2 - your quote:<br... (Below threshold)
hansel2:

hansel2 - your quote:
"And Bush was not sincere. The man doesn't know the meaning of the word."

What evidence do you have of this?

Well, a sincere person - one who really was interested in how Webb's son was doing rather than making small talk and moving on - would respond something like, "Well, Senator, we all want our boys to come home. I'm doing my best to get us there."

But, instead, Bush responded like a defensive, callous little homonculus who saw nothing in Webb's remark other than how it reflected on him. It showed a bully trying to get an upper hand in an argument - even though it was anything but.

Take a look at daddy bush and his indifferent mother if you want to know why this guy turned out to be such a snotty nosed, arrogant asshole. Only someone too gullible for words wouldn't see the cynicism in this man and his indifference to human life (soldiers, Iraqis, katrina victims) over the past 6 years.

Soreback, who gives a shit ... (Below threshold)
observer 5:

Soreback, who gives a shit what "Jeff Schapiro" thinks? He's just repeating the same echo-chamber nonsense, which this post is a part of.

I used to live in Virginia. I would guess that Virginians appreciate a guy with balls who cares about his son and is justifiably angry.

After all, didn't Rumsfeld himself, the Great Genius, say things were going the wrong way - the day before he was fired.

Too bad it took him three years to figure out what others were telling him back in December 2003.

And now Webb's kid and his fellow Marines are paying the price while Barb and Jenna party hearty in Buenos Aires. Yeah, Webb should have slugged him.

Webb sounds like a whimp... (Below threshold)
hansel2:

Webb sounds like a whimpy ass coward to me. (then of coarse he is a democrat).
carla--does he also sing in the choir?
domino--you still are a lowlife piece of scum ( re-sniper thread)

You know, jhow66, I'll make a few nasty remarks myself from time to time, but at least I make a half-assed attempt to respond to a posting with something marginally thoughtful.

You're just a no-brained, nasty little fool. That's my educated guess by reading your uneducated responses.

And the democratic mindset of late is also the mindset of the majority of the country. Remember the election last month? What it meant was that your black and white, attack the messenger approach is no longer accepted as a proper M.O. for this country.

Actually, I'll say no more. I think words like "messenger" and "mindset" are too complicated for you to process. Instead, I'll wave this sparkly ribbon in front of you since you have the mentality of a child.

Look at the sparkly ribbon, jhow! Isn't it shiny?!!

When brave America... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
When brave Americans are dying and being maimed for life in the Bush-led fiasco in Iraq, civility and politeness are overrated.

Like Sheehan, Webb could be out of touch with his son's feelings about the war in Iraq. Our soldiers understand something about courage and duty that escapes leftist who presume to speak for them.

If I were Webb, I'd be concerned that the "Decider" might order a particularly dangerous mission for Webb the younger's unit.

I see you're another typical leftwing nut case. Maybe you should check under your bed to make sure the big bad bushman is not hiding there.

Webb is an asshole who will... (Below threshold)
John S:

Webb is an asshole who will be a much bigger problem for the Democrats than for Bush. He talks brave for someone who won by a few hundred votes.

For a local political as... (Below threshold)
Brian:

For a local political assessment of Webb's conduct, I recommend you read the following

What, an article based on George Will's column in which he unabashedly lies about the event? That's the best you can come up with?

He talks brave for someo... (Below threshold)
Brian:

He talks brave for someone who won by a few hundred votes.

Umm... so did Bush. Or don't you remember?

Umm... so did Bush... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
Umm... so did Bush. Or don't you remember?

Bush won by over 3 million votes in 2004, so you must be talking about 2000. Well you better be careful that other lefties don't find out you're actually admitting Bush won that election.

Doesn't mention his son<... (Below threshold)
Denise:

Doesn't mention his son but tromped around in his son's combat boots and made sure they stuck out in every photo op. Funny how EVERYONE knew this.

What an asshole Webb is.

Tore Clinton up and then had him campaign there.

Reagan fired him then he tried to use Reagan.

Get ready Virginia, you're screwed.

"Next you'll tell us that K... (Below threshold)

"Next you'll tell us that Karen Carpenter was a bit thin when she died."

Wow. Just wow.

After all, didn't ... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
After all, didn't Rumsfeld himself, the Great Genius, say things were going the wrong way - the day before he was fired.

Rumsfeld is a genius, but he western mindset made it hard for him to understand the hatred of radical Islam. Hatred so brutal that they burn down mosques and murder other Muslims all in the name of defeating a government elected by the people of Iraq. Without the solders of radical Islam Iraq would likely already be peaceful, prosperous and free of the U.S. Radical Islam sees such an Iraq as an insult to be prevented even if it means the death of millions of Iraqi Muslims. Just think how much less they value the lives of atheists, Christians and Jews in the U.S.

Too bad it took him three years to figure out what others were telling him back in December 2003.

Did the left understand the nature of the enemy we faced back in December in 2003? Hardly, and unlike Rumsfeld, they still don't get it to this day, otherwise they would understand the dire consequences of showing weakness to such a foe.

It never ceases to amaze me... (Below threshold)
civil behavior:

It never ceases to amaze me the unrequited love the right wing posters on this site have for the bunch of chickenhawks who have destroyed this country AND iraq but have so little respect and so much virtrol for the men who have served in the uniform and been awarded medals for their valor. From Kerry, to Murtha, and now Webb.

Men who have actually been on the receiving end of the bullet destined for some man, men who know what it is like to stand for courage and truth. These posters who daily use the men who serve in the uniform as their raison d'etre. Yet when it comes time to support the men who have served and their arguments for why this is the wrong war at the wrong time and for all the wrong reasons they skewer them and call them nasty names and debase their service.

If you really thought anything of the service of the military you wouldn't be supporting Bush while dissing the men who served in a war.

Sorry bunch you are.

Ron in Cal,Is the ... (Below threshold)
Robert:

Ron in Cal,

Is the Media Democrat friendly because the corporations who own the media know the Dems have their interest at heart and the Reps don't?

Clue: Try thinking this one through before typing a response.

civil behavior: Contrary t... (Below threshold)

civil behavior: Contrary to what you might think, and what you have implied, many here have stated quite openly that one who has worn the uniform is quite deserving of respect for it, Webb included, but it's not an excuse for everything that person does in their life nor does it exempt them from criticism for anything outside the realm of their military service.

So while your so "amazed", remember that many here have paused to consider their own amazement at some of the things you say here. You're one of a group that no matter what is said about any political figure with whom they disagree on any issue, there's always the Bush/Iraq/WMD/lies angle almost without exception.

It so permeates every single discussion that I have to wonder if a kid at McDonald's screws up your order do you blame Bush? Or Cheney?

Well, Oyster, your attempt ... (Below threshold)
Domino:

Well, Oyster, your attempt at articulating graciousness while remaining critical sounds real nice, but if you'd read the thread above, most of the anti-Webb posters don't have much respect for him in any shape or form.

Of course people are quick to blame Bush and Cheney and the rest of the evil PNAC crowd, because they are responsible for the war in Iraq and now, what, eight times as many Americans have died in Iraq as were killed on 9/11...? You don't blame them?

Nah, most likely you place all of the blame on radical Islam for America's current tribulations overseas. If you don't see how that's even more simplistic than demanding accountability from the architects of the current ill-begotten intervention, then perhaps you ought to turn off FOX News and avail yourself of some facts as opposed to just spin.

Just so everyone is up to d... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Just so everyone is up to date--domino, o'5, c' behav are now members of the "club" (those with shit for brains).
to dommy boy-- never have seen you but can decribe you to a "t"--you are about 5' tall if you stand on a Kotex box--you are one of them there things called a "nerd" that wears thick glass and still can't see to type--you use great big words to make you sound big and tuff when you post but come across as a blowhard (which I bet you could do--wink wink)--you take your lunch to work in a superman lunchbox and your sandwichs have the crusts cut off. Now as to the gernade I did not say up your rectum--I said up your ASS. If you don't think I would do it would you like my home address?
hansel&gretel--nice to see that I get under your skin also--my post make more sense that BDS rants. That all you poor ass lefties can do so why answer anything you post because we have heard it 4,388 times already. Oh and by the way you are now a member of the "club" (those with shit for brains)

Are you talking about civil... (Below threshold)
LOUIS STADLIN:

Are you talking about civility. I guess it is being civil to call your opposition "Scum Bags". I guess it is perfectly civil to HATE the opposition. I also guess that you think I am putting labels on you. Maybe you are putting the labels on yourself

Domino, you are no Ame... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

Domino, you are no American. What you are is Psuedo-American hate filled POS. That goes for the rest of your "SHIT FOR BRAINS" mindless drones. And you know who you are. You are stupid , liars and an embarrassment to the Human Race. You are a cancer in this Country and it needs a huge dose of Chemo.


All accross the world the UN-AMERICAN Democrat party has told our enemies and all evil minded corrupt nations exactly what they need do to defeat the United States of America and that they will aid them and support them all the way.

Here we have a tireless "DEMOCRAT TURD POLLISHER" doing its best to create such a thick cloud of smoke in hope that nobody will see their beloved CRIMINAL LEADERS "CUT AND RUN", endlessly lie and smear others when they are caught in corruption and proven incompetant, destroy clasified documents and use their crooked Liberal Judges to seal hundreds of pages of damning evidence from years of investigations. All this to protect the devils on Earth, the Most Criminal Couple to have ever disgraced our Country while sworn to Protect it, Mr. and Mrs. Blow Job Clinton. Then Domino writes:

"because they are responsible for the war in Iraq and now, what, eight times as many Americans have died in Iraq as were killed on 9/11...?"

Yup, that sounds about right except the part about 8X's...like a typical Lying Liberal he always give his doucebag leaders more credit than they deserve.


VOTING FOR DEMOCRATS IS LIKE SMOKING FOR MANY. EVEN WHEN YOU ARE TOLD IT'S BAD , IS PROVEN BAD AND KNOW THE RISKS , DO IT ANYWAY BECAUSE IT MAKES THEM FEEL GOOD.

ME? I QUITE COLD FRICKEN TURKEY.

jhow - sorry to inform you,... (Below threshold)
hansel2:

jhow - sorry to inform you, but you're just not sharp enough to "get under my skin." I reserve that honor for those who actually make me THINK with their post and not little weeners like you who my friends and I laugh at when we read your ridiculous rants.

And I'm looking forward to your sputtering, moronic response as well.

All accross the world the UN-AMERICAN Democrat party has told our enemies and all evil minded corrupt nations exactly what they need do

Rob LA, Don't you even know how stupid you sound with this garbage? At least you dropped your "perpetual fraud" line, but I'm sure it'll pop up again soon since your oeuvre of phrases and thoughts are pretty limited.

I'm sure it'll pop... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
I'm sure it'll pop up again soon since your oeuvre of phrases and thoughts are pretty limited.

I had to chuckle at your misuse of French. Everyone makes grammar and spelling errors, but if you want to pass yourself off as an intellectual you should look up such words before using them.

Oyster,I'm not loo... (Below threshold)
civil behavior:

Oyster,

I'm not looking for excuses. I know who was dead set on invading Iraq no matter what the intelligence showed, I know who has lied and I know who has died as a result of those excuses.

I know the men who have been on the receiving end of live fire know how dangerous that is versus the men who "stayed home". I know that Bush and Cheney were two that stayed home.

All of this is fairly well documented from the lies about the aluminum tubes to the yellowcake to the slingshots and bows and arrows that were Saddams wmd's.

That you continue to support the lies of the chickenhawks to the detriment of the men who have put their lives on the line (as the same young children who now do the same )and you tout as "saving" you and "protecting" your freedom while making as many disparaging remarks as you can, I call that hypocrisy.

BTW, I forgot about Bush/Roves kid glove treatment of Max Cleland and not to be forgotten John McCain. Talk about eating your own.

The only good part about responding to this bunch of sorry losers is that this past election proved that not much has changed, you're still sorry losers and this past election proved it. We'll all have to wait for the next one but I wouldn't be getting too cocky. Bush/Iraq/WMD lies did in fact lose you the last one. What are you up for now?

Okay,This is how t... (Below threshold)
astigafa:

Okay,

This is how that actually went down, including the part that you and George Will actually left out (oh, so accidentally, I'm sure):

"'How's your boy?' Bush asked, referring to Webb's son, a Marine serving in Iraq.

'I'd like to get them out of Iraq, Mr. President,' Webb responded, echoing a campaign theme.

'That's not what I asked you,' Bush said. 'How's your boy?'

'That's between me and my boy, Mr. President,' Webb said coldly, ending the conversation on the State Floor of the East Wing of the White House.' "

To sum up, Bush was a jerk -- and you're a bunch of twisted little people, a fact proved by this omission.

Oh: and you're inability to look at a fact and call it that.


Webb sounds like a whimpy a... (Below threshold)
maggysturn:

Webb sounds like a whimpy ass coward to me. (then of coarse he is a democrat).
carla--does he also sing in the choir?
domino--you still are a lowlife piece of scum ( re-sniper thread)
Posted by: jhow66 at December 3, 2006 12:05 PM

The comment above sums up the stupidity of those on the "right". Smarmy George Bush was acting like an ass, and unlike the butt-licking republitards in congress, Jim Webb wasn't interested in monkey ears comments.

By the way, when are the Bush twins going to Iraq to fight this "noble war"? Whe is jhow66 going?

I know the men who... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
I know the men who have been on the receiving end of live fire know how dangerous that is versus the men who "stayed home". I know that Bush and Cheney were two that stayed home.

Given your statement and that being the Commander and Chief of the military is an integral part of the Presidency, I take it you would support a constitutional amendment that requires all Presidents must be veterans. While that would eliminate Bill draft dodger Clinton and his wife, it still wouldn't eliminate Bush. Ok, then the amendment must require combat experience. Of course that means the U.S. needs a war about every decade in order to insure a continued supply of candidates. Is that what you're supporting? We'll call it the chicken hawk amendment.

All of this is fairly well documented from the lies about the aluminum tubes to the yellowcake to the slingshots and bows and arrows that were Saddams wmd's.

So Bill Clinton lied about Iraq. That doesn't surprise me. Anyway, you should check your facts, particularly about the yellowcake.

That you continue to support the lies of the chickenhawks to the detriment of the men who have put their lives on the line

I'm a veteran, as are many who comment on Wizbang. I still think it was necessary to take out Saddam, with or without WMDs. People forget that Saddam had successfully bribed the U.N. and was on the verge of getting the U.N. sanctions lifted. Does anyone doubt the hate Saddam had for the U.S.? So what do you think he would be working on now if he was still in power and the U.N. sanctions were lifted? The invasion of Iraq went just fine; it's the nation building that's not working as fast or as well as hoped. The enemy is more formidable than expected, but showing weakness to such a foe is exactly the wrong thing to do.

It's not the chicken hawks who are the problem, it's the chickens who fail to understand the threat of radical Islam.

Oeuvre - "the works of a wr... (Below threshold)
hansel2:

Oeuvre - "the works of a writer, painter, or the like, taken as a whole."

Maybe it's a little lofty to refer to the stock phrases of Rob LA as a body of work, but it's all he has to define himself - and it's the way he chooses to do so.

Sorry for pushing the grammatical envelope.

"this past electio... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

"this past election proved that not much has changed, you're still sorry losers and this past election proved it."

That is why you are still here crying and telling the same proven lies right? You must be disappointed that after winning back the Majority even if by lies , smears and with zero merrit , you still wake up in a puddle of piss.

Wow, I learned so much here... (Below threshold)
LJD:

Wow, I learned so much here today.

The Republicans sent the U.S. to war in Iraq (not counting all those dumbocrat votes for the use of force). I know, I know, they were LIED to. You know I have this great bridge for sale, and the dummy majority in congrees does have deep pockets...

The Bush daughters ought to go fight in Iraq... Now there's an idea, why hasn't anyone ever thought of THAT before? Of course, it pretty much requires, un , you know, staying the course so they can fulfill their tour...

Eight times as many people have died in Iraq than on 9/11? I had no idea, but of course I never was all that great at math. Maybe it's some sort of calculus where the rate of change of those things with a political purpose is much more rapid than that which you would prefer to sweep under the rug...

As for the pointed posts of JHow, Rob, et al, I wouldn't say would would write the same things. But I do understand their frustration with the cowardly, nasty, bitchy little dumbbocrats dragging this country in to the crapper. From supporting the enemy to endless complaints with no solutions offered, you freaks take the cake.

Oh, and about that election. The sense of frustration in this country, and the constant propaganda campaign from the MSM made that possible. Congratulations. Guess what? Now you get to reap what you have sown you poor bastards! Get ready for screw ups that will make your impression of the Bush administration look like a well oiled machine. We are all so f-cked, people will be beggin for a Republican president in 08.

If people wanted to be angr... (Below threshold)
observer 5:

If people wanted to be angry about something, they should share Webb's anger about as MacL put it, the nation building that's not working as fast or as well as hoped.

I don't even agree with Webb 100% on Iraq; I don't think we should withdraw right away, I say give the Iraqi government sometime to get it together, but things are so screwed up, our credibility and image with the Iraqi people so shot that Webb might be right.

My concern is for the Iraqis who worked for us, but maybe we'll just have to give them visas to the US and pull out.

You see, I've been to Iraq as a government contractor, spent more than a year there. Admittedly mostly in the Green Zone, but still, you get mortared and rocketed there. I'm retired military, and there was a demand for one of my skills. To say that the occupation did not have enough people or money is a gross understatement - and this is the Great Genius Rumsfeld's fault. Most Iraqis were inclined to be happy when Saddam was gone, but when months of chaos went by, with little indication that things were getting better, US soldiers pointing guns in their direction all the while and bombs going off, things went down hill.

People trash Cindy Sheehan, but she has a right to be enraged, though maybe not for the same reasons she thinks. I was in Iraq when Casey Sheehan died and in the months leading up to it. Almost everyone in the military and CPA was urging that Moqtada Al-Sadr be captured or killed - there was a warrant out for his arrest. There were several operations planned to take Sadr down in late '03, early 04, all were cancelled at the last minute. It was above my paygrade and clearance to know why they were cancelled at the time, but Bremer wrote in his book that it was Feith and Rumsfeld who always stopped them.

So then the Jaysh Al-Mahdi grew and grew, and there were more provocations from them, and then the revolt in April 2004, which Casey Sheehan died in. All because of the incompetence of Rumsfeld and Bush.

I keep repeating it, but to me it shows how little Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld care about the troops: they fought expanding the size of the Army and USMC all through 2003-2005. Less troops = more frequent and longer deployments. They really do not give a shit about your average grunt having to do 2 or 3 tours in Iraq in a four year term.

As far as the big threat those scary Mooslims are, sure they are a bigger threat than in 2001, as we have projected an image of our incompetence and brutality throughout the world. Sure it's unfair, as we have done a lot of good things in Iraq, but Abu Ghraib, the rape-murder of that 14 year old girl at Mahmoudiyah, and other incidents have enraged a lot of Iraqi people and other Arabs.

At the same time, Bush couldn't even get it together to catch a rag-tag loser like Bin Laden.

So Webb has a right to be pissed that his son is caught up in a mess under this nitwit who's president.


"Bush/Iraq/WMD lies did in... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

"Bush/Iraq/WMD lies did in fact lose you the last one. What are you up for now?"

Wrong and of course Factually incorrect. If you want to pass around credit for the election results at least be honest about it. Give the Democrat Media the credit for a job well done , 6 years of 24/7 "Bush lied"

Since when did the US becom... (Below threshold)
LJD:

Since when did the US become responsible for fixing everything, magically, to the satisfaction of ALL people in the world (if that's possible)?

We followed international law, in support of the UN resolutions, to finish what we started in Gulf 1, and the rest of the world CUT and RAN. Many were helping Saddam violate those sanctions a la oil for food.

So we went in and FINISHED THE JOB!

What did we get? More CUT and RUN from those in the world who really DO make policy solely based on money. We get active anti-war propaganda in this country that really does hurt troops. We get people wanting to sanitize war, further tying the hands of our troops. When things don't go exactly as planned, they scream quagmire! Viet Nam! Civil War!

Here's a question geniuses, at what point do the Iraqis have a responsibility to solve this? What about the world, countries that benefit from Iraqi economy and 'war for oil'?

At what point do you hold accountable YOUR brilliant Democratic congressmen who allowed and continue to allow this all to happen?

You got the election, but you won't see any action. You can blame the Republicans, but take a long hard look in the mirror. I takes a lot more than your oversimplified villanous chimpy President to make this all happen. Chickenshits.

I know. Your solution is to leave poor Saddam alone, the great guy that he was.

If Webb's kid is any kind of soldier, he's embarrased of his father.

What does Congressman-elect... (Below threshold)
Mark:

What does Congressman-elect Chris Carney (D-Pennsylvania) know about Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda?

"Newly elected Pennsylvania Congressman, Democrat Chris Carney, a former Senior Terrorism and Intelligence Advisor at the Pentagon, has recently been quoted in a number of publications discussing his knowledge of and role in prewar Iraq intelligence, particularly on the issue Saddam Hussein's links to al Qaeda. His views on the subject are a stark contrast to many in his party, particularly Senator Carl Levin, who has long expressed his belief that any link between Saddam Hussein's regime and al Qaeda was a manufacture of the Bush administration. Carney's comments and experience on the issue may even put him in the cross-hairs of Sen. Levin's reported investigation into the matter in the coming months. What did Congressman Carney say? What does he know?"

more here.. http://regimeofterror.com/archives/2006/12/what_does_congressman_elect_ch/

Hey hansen & gretal if I am... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Hey hansen & gretal if I am not getting under your skin, why the answer you dumbass nerd. You can tell a nerd a mile off.

maggotsturn--the same dam time you leave you little twit--that got to be one dumbass post.

LJD,America doesn'... (Below threshold)
Robert:

LJD,

America doesn't have to fix everything.

Now will you get your f'n soldiers out of the Middle East?

Rob in LA,

Have you yet figured out whether its the Left or Right that carries corporations water more?

He [Webb] talks brave fo... (Below threshold)
Marine Gunner:

He [Webb] talks brave for someone who won by a few hundred votes.

-John S

According to the Commonwealth of Virginia's State Board of Elections, Webb won by 9329 votes. It's a small margin of victory (less than 1%), but it is more than "a few hundred votes." I'm not attacking John S (or anyone else) on this fine website. Rather, facts are facts.

Now, as for Webb v. Bush, I think this incident is just a taste of things to come; the interactions between these two will be fodder for the blogs for at least the next two years.

The other thing is, Webb's ... (Below threshold)
observer 5:

The other thing is, Webb's not a career politician. He got into the Virginia Senate race reluctantly, really out of anger at the way the country's being run into the ground by the Bush crew.

So expect him to be angry. And, yeah "brave for someone who just won by [whatever number of] votes."

He was brave when he faced NVA, what would you expect?

Senator's term is six years, Webb will be up for reelection in 2012. He's got a long time in office yet.

His attitude is, I'm going to do it my way.

"At the same time, Bush ... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

"At the same time, Bush couldn't even get it together to catch a rag-tag loser like Bin Laden."

A Rag Tag Loser huh....Speaking of rag tag losers .... BJ Clinton had his hand on Osama's Pecker and the draft dodging non inhaling prick couldn't keep his hands off his own pecker long enough to reel him in.

We will be paying the price for the Corrupt Clintons for years to come.

Ron in LA,I assume... (Below threshold)
Robert:

Ron in LA,

I assume you thought long and hard about what I wrote to you up above.

Next time you want to make that"liberal media" crack, think better about it and STFU.

We will be paying the pr... (Below threshold)
hansel2:

We will be paying the price for the Corrupt Clintons for years to come.

Hmm. I think we'll be PAYING THE PRICE FOR THE CORRUPT BUSH FOR YEARS TO COME.

Clinton's crimes are lightweight compared to the out of touch, lying loser currently in the white house. You can scream bloody murder about Clinton all you want, Rob, but it falls on deaf ears. Bush makes everyone's crimes look miniscule.

Not yet convicted of anything, you say? Just wait.

And why is he buying up 98,840 acres in Paraguay? Sounds like an escape route strategy a pending war criminal might make.

BJ Clinton had his hand ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

BJ Clinton had his hand on Osama's Pecker and the draft dodging non inhaling prick couldn't keep his hands off his own pecker long enough to reel him in.

This is a recent right-wing meme. That Clinton was so distracted by the Lewinsky mess that he let Bin Laden get away. Gee... who was it exactly who was busy trying to distract Clinton with it?

Who the hell is Ron?... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

Who the hell is Ron?

Are you asking whether I know the difference between those who support Our Country and Capitalism and those who Desire Communism and hope to run it?

The Clintons have plent ... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

The Clintons have plent of Money to pay their lowlife Drones to go to all the blogs and pollish that criminal raping turd. BJ spent alot of time in Court didn't he? Who was protecting our Country all that time and looking out for our safety and best interests? Not that jackoff. Why was 100 pages sealed in the Barrett Report ? So many more Criminal Acts hushed up about Clinton frauds. You will never erase what those dirtbags are and the damage they continue to do.




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