« Stop the ACLU on Brit Hume's Political Grapevine | Main | Mark Steyn Stomps on the AP and ISG Report »

Are the Democrats Holding Secret Meetings with Hamas? Part II

Yesterday, reports said that Democrats were secretly meeting with Hamas. Today, the Dems denied it and the Jerusalem Post, the original source of this report, has removed the paragraphs that made that assertion.

Today, however, YNetNews published a report that also says Democrats met with Hamas and offers more information on the meeting:

The Palestinian news agency Maan, quoting a senior member of the Palestinian government, reported Wednesday that "ministers of the Hamas-led government recently held talks with European countries and with a delegation of the American Democratic Party.


According to the source, in the talks, the European officials showed their understanding for Hamas' stance.

According to the report, several European countries are already holding talks with Hamas, and the dialogue has succeeded in bringing about a certain change in the European stance toward the Hamas-led Palestinian government.

The Palestinian official said that Hamas representatives held meeting in European countries and even succeeded in convincing the Europeans to accept the movement's stance.

"Additional meetings will be held in the coming days between Hamas delegations and political officials in Europe and the United States," he added.

According to the source, the Europeans expressed their willingness to addresses an idea of solving the conflict based on a "long-term hudna (truce)," as suggested by Hamas, instead of the land for peace principle.

If Hamas is telling the truth and Democrats did meet with leaders of the terrorist organization, then Hamas can prove it by disclosing which Democrats. Then this can be investigated and verified.

Jim Hoft reminds us that if this is true, it wouldn't be the first time that Democrats have met with our enemies.

Bill Faith has a roundup on the topic.


Comments (31)

If it's true, financial ... (Below threshold)
Patriot's Game:

If it's true, financial aid may follow.
I wonder how much we're sending already, and not just to Hamas. What about Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, ...

Cavorting with the enemy ag... (Below threshold)
nikkolai:

Cavorting with the enemy again, eh? Have these people have no shame? I do take some confort in the knowledge that the fascists will take out the collaborators first.

Well, it's a bit of a dilem... (Below threshold)
John:

Well, it's a bit of a dilemma, eh?

We like democracy. We're spending half a trillion dollars to spark democracy in Iraq.

Now Hamas is the democraticaly elected party in the Palestinian elections WE pressed for.

So they can have any kind of democracy they want, just so long as it's the one we approve of.

As I said, quite a dilemma....

It obviously can't be a cri... (Below threshold)

It obviously can't be a crime for people to meet with the democratically elected leaders of another country.

But I love the right-wing solution to all of our problems: don't talk to anyone and hope they go away.

Don't talk to Hamas.
Don't talk to Syria.
Don't talk to Iran.
Don't talk to Cuba.
Don't talk to North Korea.
Don't talk to the Iraqi insurgents.

What harm is talking for goodness sake? Why is Bush afraid to talk to these people? Reagan talked to the Russians who were a heckuva lot more dangerous and equally as committed to our destruction.

If you paid attention to an... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

If you paid attention to any of the interviews of the ISG commissioners, you would notice one, of many, common themes: the key to Iraq is solving the Palestinian problem.

As I have written before, we should bug-out and let Syria, Iran and Saudi Arabia chew on the Iraqi sh*t sandwich for a while, and maybe that would lead to a true peace in the Mid East.

It seems that the commission is recommending the same (minus the sandwich part).

We should listen to Baker. He seems to believe that Syria is willing. If Syria comes on board, and remember they were "with us" at first, that could lead to peace in Lebanon, and that would bring us half way home.

Ha! Just yesterday I was be... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Ha! Just yesterday I was being ridiculed for citing the lying Palestinians as a source for a story that makes Bush look bad. And now for an anti-Democrat story, apparently the Palestinians are a font of truth. Just more evidence of the transparent and pathetic desperation of the right.

The Clinton Administration ... (Below threshold)
Mike:

The Clinton Administration talked to N. Korea and gave away the farm. Where did that get us? It sure didn't take long for them to break any agreements they had made. Please don't even try comparing the Soviet Union with any of these rouqe states. Sure we talked to the Soviets, but they were consider a "Super Power" at the time. Why give these murderers the time of day when they are the ones fueling the terror in Iraq.

Larkin, yer a pistol!! How... (Below threshold)
moseby:

Larkin, yer a pistol!! How is Middle-Earth doing?
or Sam, Merry and Pippin? Dumbass!

I don't think any of you pe... (Below threshold)
Keith Ralph:

I don't think any of you people really get it. The root cause of terrorism is western multinational corporations. Things are not as they seem folks, you've been duped. These corporations, working hand in glove with the US government, is exploiting the resources of foreign nations. Its not a conspiracy. Its just unchecked runaway capatilist extremism on the part of the corporations, and protecting self interest at any cost on the part of the US government. All extremism is bad. We meddled in the affairs of Ecudor, Panama, Iraq, ect. US control of resources is what its about. Eventually we messed with a bad breed. Middle eastern fruitcakes, have had enough. Now we are forced to deal with them. Saddam would not play ball, so we took him out. We took out Noriaga in Panama. Before Noriaga, the President of Panama and Ecudor both died in plane crashes. Ecudor's President had just thrown US oil companies out of his country. Then dies in a plane crash. You figure it out. The solution to terrorism, is to stop bulling foreign countries. Blame America first? Hell no, I love this country. But this is not the same country anymore. Things started changing in the 60's. We do not have a divine right to mistreat other nations, or to make the rules. Globalism is the enemy. The globalists are even selling out their own country. They cut US jobs, move manufacturing to China. That hurts us. They do not care. They move tech support and customer service overseas and hurt us further. They Pledge no Allegiance to the US. They are raking us over the coals with the price of oil, and posting historic profits. Its out of control. Americans are hated around the world because these people are representing us with their corrupt behavior. This is the problem. The greed and corruption of our corporations and government is why nations like Iran refer to us as the Great Satan. Haven't you ever wondered why? Things are not as they seem. You are a slave. Instead of chains, you are held with debt. You think the choice was yours. Heads I win, tails you lose. You are slaves. The most subtle and devious form of slavery, is one in which the slave thinks he is free. How do you know what you know? Because they told you so? Open your eyes. Get a foreigners perspective. He gets the story from different channels, not US media. And whats the problem with Venesuala? They got oil, we want it.

Isnt it interesting how non... (Below threshold)
Leftician:

Isnt it interesting how none of the resident libo-tards are defending there leadership from this charge?

Instead they seem to be more interested in justifying the idea.

If these stories turn out to be true, somebody had better be going to jail.

Keith Ralph:What's... (Below threshold)
USMC Pilot:

Keith Ralph:

What's your point?

Keith Ralph:Too lo... (Below threshold)
The Listkeeper:

Keith Ralph:

Too long, didn't read.

Keith Ralph: Yeah, the worl... (Below threshold)
Old Coot:

Keith Ralph: Yeah, the world sucks because of those evil multinational corporations (but only the Western ones, of course). Yawn.

Why give these mur... (Below threshold)
Why give these murderers the time of day when they are the ones fueling the terror in Iraq.

Mike, have you ever looked at a map of the Middle East?

Notice how Syria and Iran enclose about 2/3 of Iraq's borders. The bottom line is that they are in the neighborhood and they hold strong cards regarding the future of Iraq. Given the absence of a workable plan for regime change in those two countries I would suggest that we start talking with them.

Bush took a leap of faith when he began talking with they Libyans just after taking office. They agreed to abandon their WMD programs and rejoin the family of nations. Now, that country is open to US investment and is an ally in the war on terror.

Of course, people like yourself were in full cry at that time that we could not possibly negotiate with "terrorists". Thankfully, Bush wasn't swayed by those arguments and we were able to remove Libya from the State Department's list of countries that sponsor terrorism. I believe it just might be possible to do that with Syria (probably not Iran). That would shift the strategic balance of power heavily against the Iranians in the Middle East and Bush would get the credit.

But you're too busy beating the wardrums rather than thinking this through from a strategic and geopolitical perspective.

I read Keith Ralph's first ... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

I read Keith Ralph's first sentence and just kept movingon.com. Jesus God, "western multinational corporations?" You have to be shittin' me.

Silly me, all along I thought it was foolish politicians (Carter raises his ugly mug this week) and Islamic extremists. Who woulda thunk it, huh? Western multinationals. Wowwwwww.

F'n dumbass.

I'm going to have to agree ... (Below threshold)

I'm going to have to agree with Mitchell.

Keith Ralph must be an Al Qaeda operative designed to sow dissension in America's blogosphere.

I saw a picture of Howard D... (Below threshold)
kathie:

I saw a picture of Howard Dean with the French Socialist candidate, Royal, don't know where they were, but she had been in the Middle East.

Yeah, big tough guys - and ... (Below threshold)
hansel2:

Yeah, big tough guys - and stupid.

Keith Ralph may be overstating his case a bit, but there's some kernel of truth in some of what he's talking about.

And things are NEVER what they seem to be - especially what you're told on Fox news. The problem with most of you alpha male morons here is that you're too excited about how you look in the mirror going, "Yeahhh!! War!!!" than really concerned about what's really going on around you.

But this is very likely too complex a conversation for most of the idiots here. You'd much rather call someone a liberal bastard or make fun of them. And you all live in denial, anyway. If ignorance is bliss, the crowd here must be having an orgasm every 3rd second.

Keith Ralph may be overs... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

Keith Ralph may be overstating his case a bit,

A bit?

but there's some kernel of truth in some of what he's talking about.

One giant paragraph which is barely readable, full of short pithy sentences...if there was kernel of truth, why did he need such a big frigging leaf to sheath it in?

A bit of advise Keith. Learn how to write readable paragraphs, and most of us won't stop after "western multinational corporations." Which is, I'm guessing where 90% of us stopped reading.

But this is very likely ... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

But this is very likely too complex a conversation for most of the idiots here.

Obviously you and Keith were befuddled that the topic at bay is about Hamas and the Democrats, and not about "western multicultural corporations", or whatever Keith cut-and-pasted. Stay on subject, or stay out of the conversation, else be suitably ignored. Thatissall.

"Hudna" is arabic for "Let'... (Below threshold)

"Hudna" is arabic for "Let's quit shooting at each other while I go buy some more bullets."

If Keith was an al-Queda plant they'd use someone smarter.

Is DU down tonight or somet... (Below threshold)
Cousin Dave:

Is DU down tonight or something?

Are the dimmi's holding sec... (Below threshold)
Firefighter 16:

Are the dimmi's holding secret meetings? They always hold secret meetings. Prior to the election they were holding secret meetings with a group of retired loser generals and making plans for a coup if they lost the election. That isn't borderline treason, that is outright treason. How many acts of treason have been comitted by the NYT's using top secret documents leaked by a dimmi? Dozens? Eventually a million or so Americans will die as a result of the acts of treason comitted by the dimmi's. Then we'll see if the American people have a backbone.

As one of those alpha males... (Below threshold)
dickdee:

As one of those alpha males, I'd like to have the first privilege to kick some Hansel ass. Hansel hasn't had an orgasm since he boinked Janet Reno outside the compound. Dumb ass lib is right and he is to be ignored as James correctly assessed. He's probably J.Baker's Saudi contact anyway.

Its a shame to see what cou... (Below threshold)
epador:

Its a shame to see what could be an interesting discussion on the Legislative Branch subverting the Executive Branch on Foreign Policy issues turn into a pre-adolescent name-calling homo-erotic slap-fest.

"But I love the right-wing ... (Below threshold)
Marc:

"But I love the right-wing solution to all of our problems: don't talk to anyone and hope they go away."

Hope they go away? Since when have we been standing around 'hoping' they go away? It is you that has your head in the clouds, thinking that if we talk to them, they will go away, or stop their murderous activities.

"Don't talk to Hamas.
Don't talk to Syria.
Don't talk to Iran.
Don't talk to Cuba.
Don't talk to North Korea.
Don't talk to the Iraqi insurgents.

What harm is talking for goodness sake?"

Talking to them is a sign of weakness. Which emboldens them to attack us even more.

"Why is Bush afraid to talk to these people?"

No oneis afraid. Talk about what? Its a little too late to be talking to these people. After they've killed thousands of our citizens, thousands of our soldiers, and have made plain their desirtes to enslave, subjugate and cold bloodedly murder us in our beds ....you want to talk to them? It seems to me that they are not in the mood for talking. Good luck on talking to them while they cut your head off.

People tried talking to Hitler...which is what he wanted. They talked his ear off while he rearmed and murdered. Why didnt FDR talk to the Japanese after Pearl Harbor?

Look who has been meeting w... (Below threshold)
Enlightened:

Look who has been meeting with EU Socialists - in the EU. What a coincidence that the Hamas delegation met with Senior Democrats in - the EU.

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=politicsNews&storyid=2006-12-07T204342Z_01_L0796336_RTRUKOC_0_US-EUROPE-SOCIALISTS-US.xml&src=rss&rpc=22

Talking to them is a sig... (Below threshold)
hansel2:

Talking to them is a sign of weakness. Which emboldens them to attack us even more.

Showing yourself to be a botched Commander-In-Chief, a liar and completely inept at running a war you got yourself into voluntarily is a sign of strength? No one's fooled by Bush's bravado. The entire world thinks he's joke. So does most of this country.

He doesn't want to sit at the table with anyone because he knows deep down he can't win a single argument or debate without throwing a sucker punch. The man's a monosyllabic wonder and completely out of his league.

Yes, lets trust a man who's failed at everything in his life to a former Secretary of State who's come to the rescue of his family again and again.

Weakness is George W. Bush. Strength is anything BUT George W. Bush.

"Showing yourself to be a b... (Below threshold)
Marc:

"Showing yourself to be a botched Commander-In-Chief, a liar and completely inept at running a war you got yourself into voluntarily is a sign of strength?"

Yes. He chose to take a step that not many others would take. Whether or not it would costy him at the polls, this is the path he took, right or wrong. Most other politicians stick their fingers up in the air to see which way the wind blows. Thats not a very good way to lead.

"The entire world thinks he's joke. So does most of this country."

Speak for yourself :-)

"He doesn't want to sit at the table with anyone because he knows deep down he can't win a single argument or debate without throwing a sucker punch. The man's a monosyllabic wonder and completely out of his league."

No, he doesnt want to sit down with our enemies because he knows its futile. If talking to our enemies worked, then Chamberlin should have been correct about having peace in our time, and WW2 should have never occured.

If it were possible for Bush to lose an argument with them, then that means that the terrorists are in the right. How else can one win an argument unless they are in the right?

"Yes, lets trust a man who's failed at everything in his life to a former Secretary of State who's come to the rescue of his family again and again."

Failed at everything is quite a stretch. He's a multi-millionaire without the help of his Daddy's money. He's been elected to the Presidency and then re-elected, etc.

"Weakness is George W. Bush. Strength is anything BUT George W. Bush."

No, talking to our enemies, you know them...the guys who want to enslave you and/or kill you just because they can. Talking to them is weakness. Defending yourtself is strength.

Yes. He chose to take a ... (Below threshold)
hansel2:

Yes. He chose to take a step that not many others would take. Whether or not it would costy him at the polls, this is the path he took, right or wrong.

Many others would not take this path because IT WAS ALWAYS A STUPID MOVE. The multitude of reasons we shouldn't have entered Iraq - including those coming from his own military, his father's administration (including his father's assessment of the situation) and others in his party prior to the war - are no surprise to anyone who's paid attention. Furthermore, I would never pat a President - any President - on the back for making a "bold" dumb decision. This is a stupid man with a big ego and a perceived mission from God. A very dangerous combination.

If it were possible for Bush to lose an argument with them, then that means that the terrorists are in the right. How else can one win an argument unless they are in the right?

You've obviously never taken debating class nor do you understand thing one about diplomacy. Right is in the eye of the beholder. Just because you think you're right doesn't mean you have the tools to win a discussion, or persuade people. The current President has neither an engaging personality, an articulation capacity nor a willingness to see a discussion from any side other than his. That makes for a diplomatic lightweight - besides that fact that he's an arrogant, obnoxious asshole.

And, beyond all that, if you're so RIGHT in your assessment of my post, why am I not believing it. Justify that one.

Failed at everything is quite a stretch. He's a multi-millionaire without the help of his Daddy's money.

Really. How does a man who's failed at every business he's run suddenly become a co-owner and manager of a baseball team? Lets see, he got that job in 1989 - whoops! What a coincidence! His dad was PRESIDENT then... Wait... Nobody would want anything to do with a person who's dad is a President, would they? No, of course not. And I guess if his dad was never President he would still be the front runner for the Presidency in 2000. Get real. This party boy's entire life was the result of riding on the coattails of other's achievements - and getting off easy because of family power.

Moreover, his own dad's first business venture - an oil company - was financed by his wealthy uncle - somewhere in the paltry range of $280,000, if I'm correct. Chump change, right? It sure helps to have wealthy friends and family.

Really, I could address all the rest you have here but it's tiring and you're a true believer. Anyone who would give this train wreck of a President a thumbs up is either completely cynical about our democracy or stubbornly naive.

Just watch - and tell me two years from now when all the dirt is out on this administration if you still believe he's better than a ham sandwich.

He chose to take a step ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

He chose to take a step that not many others would take. Whether or not it would costy him at the polls, this is the path he took, right or wrong.

Like it or not, history is not kind to those who, against all conventional wisdom, and against all advice, and against all polls, take strong steps... that turn out to be wrong.

The captain of the Titanic does not become a hero by bolding staying the course in the face of mounting criticism.




Advertisements









rightads.gif

beltwaybloggers.gif

insiderslogo.jpg

mba_blue.gif

Follow Wizbang

Follow Wizbang on FacebookFollow Wizbang on TwitterSubscribe to Wizbang feedWizbang Mobile

Contact

Send e-mail tips to us:

[email protected]

Fresh Links

Credits

Section Editor: Maggie Whitton

Editors: Jay Tea, Lorie Byrd, Kim Priestap, DJ Drummond, Michael Laprarie, Baron Von Ottomatic, Shawn Mallow, Rick, Dan Karipides, Michael Avitablile, Charlie Quidnunc, Steve Schippert

Emeritus: Paul, Mary Katherine Ham, Jim Addison, Alexander K. McClure, Cassy Fiano, Bill Jempty, John Stansbury, Rob Port

In Memorium: HughS

All original content copyright © 2003-2010 by Wizbang®, LLC. All rights reserved. Wizbang® is a registered service mark.

Powered by Movable Type Pro 4.361

Hosting by ServInt

Ratings on this site are powered by the Ajax Ratings Pro plugin for Movable Type.

Search on this site is powered by the FastSearch plugin for Movable Type.

Blogrolls on this site are powered by the MT-Blogroll.

Temporary site design is based on Cutline and Cutline for MT. Graphics by Apothegm Designs.

Author Login



Terms Of Service

DCMA Compliance Notice

Privacy Policy