The best Bush can hope for is to be remembered as someone who was right to get the country fighting back against terrorism but was for the most part incompetent (clueless?) about how to succeed.

But since history is written by liberals, I doubt Bush will even be portrayed that favorably. In thirty years, he'll be depicted just as liberals depict him today: the power-hungry, incompetent and corrupt fool who alienated our allies, antagonized our enemies, mistreated people at home and squandered the lives of thousands of our military in the pursuit of trying to make up for his father's shortcomings.

To see how Bush will be portrayed in history, simply look at the portrayal of all Republican presidents.

I have some doubts about Woodward's interview with Pres. Ford and it being told to him that it was not to be released until after his death. Woodward having conversations with people in a comma (Casey) leaves some doubt about the whole mess. However, that being said and assuming what Woodward claims to be the truth, then I have lost all respect for Pres. Ford. Not so much that he had an opinion that we should not have invaded Iraq, since I have the same opinion and have from the start, but that he was not willing to critizise the President openly. To delay his opinion until after his death is the act of a coward who is unwilling to face the consequences of his actions and words. At best Pres. Ford was a caretaker president and should not be credited for much of anything, good or bad.

The times is a proven lying organization and Woodward a lier. Unfortunately we are going to have to listen to the moonbats on this for weeks to come.

Steve I would agree with your 2nd paragraph except for the first 7 and last 12 words. History will not see him as invading Iraq because of his father, but because of his incompetence and lack of qualification(s).

Pilot...I agree with you about Woodward...he's kinda a lefty George Will...they both might have done something years ago but their egos demand we listen to their drival today as if it means anything...

I think that 50 years from now, the erosion of Americans' rights will define the Bush administration even more than the war, just like with Woodrow Wilson.

dude it's LIAR
What kind of planes do the marines let you fly, Jhetz?

Bush is a putz, simple as that, Rove and the GOP found a puppet they could control while they ran the "Hey if we can get just 10% of the church going public to vote, we can put Mickey Mouse in the White House test" Bud Selig should have just retired and let Georgie have his dream job, Commissioner of Baseball, but he would have probably screwed that up too. So pretty much the last 8 years can be laid in Selig's lap, thanks Bud.

Rocker--I really would not be calling out USMC pilot if I were you. Sounds like a real mis-match. But, hey--you're spelling's good.

Black Cat,

Could you give us an example of what "rights" have been "eroded"?

(Still) practicing journalist Lorie Byrd just cannot wait to make the bold, bold comparisons of the saintly glow cast from the Ford and Reagan legacies VS. "terrorist apologist Carter" and the Clinton scandals "Whitewater, FBI filegate and "Monica".

A selective standard for scandal maybe?

Whitewater did not occur while Clinton was president. Despite this minor detail, 80 million dollars of Federal tax dollars was spent investigating both the Clintons involvement, with the conclusion from special prosecutor Robert Ray stating:

"...the evidence was insufficient to prove to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that either President or Mrs. Clinton knowingly participated in any criminal conduct."

Still, in court of Townhall opinion, Clinton is guilty as sin. Naturally, if Patrick Fitzgerald were to reach the same outcome on his current investigation, the Bush oval office would be vindicated for its character asassination of an ambassador and an intelligence operative.

The outcome of Filegate? Again, take it away, Prosecutor Ray:
"..there was no substantial and credible evidence that any senior White House official, or First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton, was involved"

..Leaving "Monica", where Clinton permanently had his license to practice law suspended for his perjured testimony -in his ongoing attempts to conceal an extra-marital affair.

My God! How did America survive?!!

Did Lorie Byrd ever bother to ask the historian(?) Betsy about Reagan's little oopsie Iran Contra?? Why bother? That would implicate Ol' Dutch as a potential "terror sympathizer"- historically, arms trade with the Ayatollah tend to be a tad inconvenient while funding terror operations of your own in Central America.

Ford, according to the practicing journalist and historian, was justified to "spare the country months of seeing Nixon on trial." Harrumph!, why bother with accountability of the executive branch when they perpetrate obstruction of justice, abuse of power and contempt of Congress?
After that, it was smooth sailing for the triumphant Ford administration. Just don't ask any Timorese, who knows what time will tell there.

Bush will be remembered as the first president to get buggered in jail. I sincerely hope this soldier-murdering, lying prick gets the loving he deserves by his cellmate Bruce.

nikkolai, don't let the smooth taste fool you...

Bush is a trained chimp, who does what he's told to do by his masters Rove & Cheney, if allowed to think for himself he'd still be sitting in the classroom in Louisian trying to process what he had just been told.

I have to agree with you Mypetgloat, going after Clinton for perjury was equivalent to when the feds went after Al Capone for tax evasion.

Of course someone would have to have the mental capacity of your average lefty poster on this site to believe that tax evasion was the only crime of which Capone was guilty and that perjury was the only crime of which Clinton was guilty.

And MyPetGloat, would you care to explain to us why Susan McDougal choose to go to prision rather than testify in the Whitewater hearings?

Could it be that she didn't want to end up on this list?

You're citing the "Clinton Body Count?" Of all the low-rent backwater news sources. No thanks.

The reason McDougal went to prison? Um, try asking her:

"all my legal troubles would disappear" - including a then-pending fraud case -- "if I would just give them something on Clinton. They asked me to lie."

-Guilty like Capone? Thanks for playing. Please try again.

Truth or Fiction is not by any means a news source.

And those quotes you posted seem totally disingenuous considering that all she had to do was testify honestly, even if her testimony did not damn the Clintons, and she would not have been sent to prision.

I thinking person would find that a little questionalble but a member of the fabricated reality based community would accept it without question as you did.

Dear God. You really believe that Mcdougal chose to be held in contempt because she feared for her life? What proof do you have that the Clintons orchestrated any murder aside from a littany of baseless accusations from some Scaife-funded rag?

I never said I had proof. But it is a rather long string of coincidences. Things that make you go hmmmm.

That's why I brought up the example of Capone. The government had to go after him for tax evasion because they couldn't prove anything else. That doesn't mean Capone wasn't guilty of other crimes.

I don't know for a fact that McDougal feared for her life, but I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility either. It's just as likely that she was paid off or threatened in some other way.

G.R.Ford: the FBI mole in the Warren Commision assigned to snitch on any staffer who dared to recall to the "investigators'" attention, the Agency's relationship with one "O. Hiddell", aka Lee Harvey Oswald. Ancient history, I know, but life didn't begin at Watergate. And why pardon some one not charged with anything?

Nice job Bunyan. Look at you adding up the coincidences and finding things a bit odd.

Now, do you find it odd that the war-profiteers were so tight with those who got us involved in the war of choice in Iraq.

Think hard about that one. I want to smell the wires burning.