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Video of Saddam Hussein's Execution

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Someone who was at Saddam's execution videotaped it with his cell phone, so my prediction that his actual execution would end up on the internet was spot on. But, then again, it was kind of hard to be wrong on that one. Drudge already linked to it, so I guess it's fair game now. Please be warned this is graphic. I understand that some people won't like that I linked to this, and if you are uncomfortable with it, please don't watch it.

His life, during which he viciously tortured, maimed, and murdered so many people, couldn't have ended in a more appropriate way.

Click below if you want to see it.

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DeadSaddam.jpg

That didn't take long.

Be aware that I have not seen this video all the way to the end; therefore, I don't know how graphic it is. Please watch it with this in mind. Unfortunately, the internet connection where I am right now is only a dial up and a slow one at that. Downloading and watching the video myself would take a very long time, and I wanted to get it to Wizbang readers as soon as possible. If this video is the same one that was on Fox News and is currently circulating throughout the internet, then, from what I understand, it cuts away right before Saddam drops through the trap door. If you are uncomfortable with my posting this video, then by all means, don't watch it.


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Comments (62)

it looks to be the same tha... (Below threshold)
lanie:

it looks to be the same that has been on FOX. Not graphic at all (unless you consider putting on the noose to be graphic).

Political designs behind Sa... (Below threshold)
gillesroy:

Political designs behind Saddam's execution :

1. Saddam is clearly the scapegoat for an international war syndicate, which includes many in our current political leadership, both in front and behind the scenes. Evacuating due process, controlling evidence and terrorizing the prosecution team were all par for the course in Saddam's trial. A key reason for the speedy road to execution, was to eliminate a prominent player and key witness of this international criminal war conspiracy, thereby avoid further indictment of members of our leadership, many of whom have been accessory to Saddam's actual crimes.

2. To « bookend » media fatigue and public indifference, re : Saddam's trial. The whole point of the « trial » was to deliver a quick public execution, and thereby feed the hunger for blood so brilliantly cultivated in Western public opinion. An execution gives sense of heightened drama, and inagurates the next round of intensified bloodshed in the region... and beyond.

3. Lastly, to make Saddam a martyr for (gasp!) sympathisers, thereby deepening chaos in the middle-east over a longer period of time. Certainly, the US-led war in Iraq can be called a success insofar as its central purpose has been to aid the spreading of chaos in the Middle-East.

gillesroy, you are truly ou... (Below threshold)
Carl:

gillesroy, you are truly out of touch with reality. Your points are so erroneous and baseless that it would take far too long to refute them all. However to touch upon a few:

First, referring to Hussein as a "scapegoat" is clearly laughable and shows clearly that you're woefully misinformed and/or deluded. Hussein, one of the sickest sociopathic tyrants of the 20th century rivaling Pol Pot, Joseph Stalin (one of Saddam's political and social heroes incidentally) and Adolf Hitler. Hussein was no scapegoat. He was tried, convicted, sentenced and executed by his OWN peoples. He received the consequences of some of his actions. He is guilty of so many atrocities that it would take a publication approximately the size of "War And Peace" (or larger) to list them all.

Another point upon which you are clearly delusional is your claim of "evacuating due process, controlling evidence and terrorizing the prosecution team were all par for the course in Saddam's trial"

First of all to clarify, "due process" is a constitutional right as guaranteed under the U.S. Constitution for its citizens. If you hadn't noticed, the trial of Saddam Hussein took place in Iraq, on Iraqi soil, under Iraqi law so there was no "due process" to evacuate. So that point of yours is rendered moot by simple facts. Secondly, the prosecution was not nor ever was terrorized. If they were, the whole thing would have been abandoned long ago. If anything, the prosecution, along with numerous witnesses, were emboldened as a result of the trial process.

I could go on and on and pick apart your nonsensical moonbattery but the examples I easily refuted will suffice. It's obvious by your post that you have chosen to join the unhinged liberal extremists mourning Hussein's execution rather than recognizing it as being an important event and end of a bloody era for Iraq that will ease the existing fears of many Iraqi citizens. They now know that Saddam Hussein will never again regain power anywhere in the middle east.

Actually Carl, not to add (... (Below threshold)

Actually Carl, not to add (a scintilla of) credibility to gilleroy's halucinations, but the judges and prosecutors did experience some terrorization -- from Saddam sympathizers and Al Quaeda outsiders.

Not to put too fine a point on it -- but this is the only vaguely accurate piece of gilleroy's otherwise delusional rant.

Carl,Excellent rebut... (Below threshold)
Black Elk:

Carl,
Excellent rebut, more like a slice&dice...

Yeah, it's the same one Fox... (Below threshold)
Scott:

Yeah, it's the same one Fox has.

Someone at Free Republic posted another video where you see him drop. Sort of a blur, really.

Sorry, I don't have the link here, but it's on their site as one of the daily news stories that readers post. It was up this afternoon.

He is dead. It is not justi... (Below threshold)
Jack:

He is dead. It is not justice, but it is a step in the right direction. Just to be clear, I am not sure that anything short of divine punishment can take care of Saddam in a just fashion.

Nonetheless, the world is a better place now.

The Jawa Report has the act... (Below threshold)
Mo:

The Jawa Report has the actual video if you are really curious to see him. Here's the link:

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/185883.php

gillesroy is just the typic... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

gillesroy is just the typical democrat. BDS has driven them over the edge. Maybe all of them are setting up an insanity defense for crimes they have comitted. The duly elected Iraqi government tried Saddam and hanged him. The people of Iraq that lost most or all of their family members the his slaughter can finally have closure. That is the thousands that have been discovered in mass graves. Thousands more are still to be located. Go to this site and tell me that hanging wasn't too easy on him. He should have been dropped slowly into a wood chipper.

http://www.9neesan.com/massgraves/ Go through the pages of Saddam's victims.


I guess the big mouth Conyers will quit shouting 'impeach' Bush now. He has been found guilty of a lot of ethics breaches, as if everyone didn't already know he was an unethical, criminal SOB. Old Nan Peeeloshi has a hard job ahead of her. She has to sweep out half of the democrats in congress as criminals and drain the rest out of the swamp of the other half involved in corruption of one kind or another.

Hi Kim. <a href="http://hot... (Below threshold)

Hi Kim. HotAir has a video over there, but it is taken by a member in the audience. I believe it is a witness with a cellphone/video.

Saddam swings...<a h... (Below threshold)
The ASSociated (with terror... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

The ASSociated (with terrorists) Press can't even bring themselves to report this correctly. They reported worldwide that Saddam was executed for 'war crimes'. This trial had nothing to do with any war or war crimes, that would be in an international court. The people of Iraq tried, convicted and hanged Saddam for crimes against humanity (the Iraqi's). I'm beginning to worry about the intelligence (or lack of intelligence) of everyone in the democrat party and the antique MSM. Do you really have to be as stupid as they portray themselves to vote for a democrat or work for the MSM?

The video of Saddam droppin... (Below threshold)
observer 5:

The video of Saddam dropping is here, via AoS and Floppingaces:

http://www.floppingaces.net/2006/12/30/the-whole-saddam-execution-vid/

I know that this is off pos... (Below threshold)
Hugh:

I know that this is off post Kim but i just can't help myself. Were you not the one who excoriated Harry Reid because he was not going to attend the services for Ford on Saturday night? Ummm, if I read the news correctly the president was cutting cedar and couldn't attend.

Nice judgment Kim.

Actually, Hugh, I think you... (Below threshold)

Actually, Hugh, I think you're being a bit premature. If Bush skips ALL the services for Ford, then you can criticize. Reid's going to miss all of them.

The standard is simple: both Bush and Reid should attend at least one of the events for Ford. I'm entirely comfortable saying that Bush will, and Reid won't.

No double standard, just your standard rush to judgment. It's a common affliction among your kind.

J.

No jay it's my response to ... (Below threshold)
Hugh:

No jay it's my response to a specific post by Priestep about not attending the Saturday event. Get your facts straight before criticizing. Just your standard rush to defend the indefensible.

That being said, it's amusing to see you rationalize the fact that the president, busy chopping wood, can't come to Washington to greet Mrs Ford and pay respects to a previous president. Of course, he found time to rush back in the middle of a vacation and in the middle of the night to sign a bill to keep alive a dead woman.

No double standard. Just the facts.

Hugh:Back on threa... (Below threshold)
USMC Pilot:

Hugh:

Back on thread -

Do you concur with "gillesroy"'s comment?

Real video of the Saddam Hu... (Below threshold)
Tom:

Real video of the Saddam Hussein execution is posted at http://www.saddamned.com/

USMCOf course not.... (Below threshold)
Hugh:

USMC

Of course not. I will admit that I have been a vocal opponent of capital punishment since I was in law school. But i really struggle about Hussein.

H

There will be no love loss ... (Below threshold)
Bill Searles:

There will be no love loss for that murderous bastard. But there is just something fundamentally wrong with people who have to post the execution of a human life, no matter how evil that person was, on the internet for our "entertainment." Saddam used to watch the video footage of his prisoners being executated over and over. Are you no different than him? Its this interest in the macabre, that I find deepely disturbing, and this no less from some who wishes to inform us all of news storys. I don't watch faces of death style videos and it sickens me that there should even be an "entertainment" market for that. We don't need to watch beheadings or hangings. I know the old argument,"If you don't want to watch, then don't." But what concerns me is you. I really have no choice but to live in the same society as some of you. And you are people who are desensitising yourselves to the horrors of death. That leads to loss of outrage. That leads to general acceptence of violent crime, on some level. If you are not 100% repulsed by murder, then you are more apt to commit murder. It starts in the mind. The West is puzzeled over why the Islamic mothers strap bombs on their children and send them to their deaths. The exceptence of this behavior starts in the mind. I find your posting to be socially irresponsible.

Hugh:Not referenci... (Below threshold)
USMC Pilot:

Hugh:

Not referencing capital punishment, but wondering about the conspiracy theory part.

BTW - Loved your comment about Rossie "O", but your going to have to make a New Years resolution to stop confusing me.

Bill Searles:That'... (Below threshold)
USMC Pilot:

Bill Searles:

That's a pretty big leap, from watching Sadam hang to strapping bombs on babies bodies.

Actually Hussein was pretty... (Below threshold)
BC:

Actually Hussein was pretty much scapegoated, but primarily by the United States in the whole "War on Terrorism" thingy. He was indeed a brutal, murderous dictator deserving of answering to many, many past misdeeds, but make no mistake -- if he had stayed cooperative with the US, regardless of how he managed his internal affairs, he'd still be hanging out (so to speak) at his palaces.

Despite idiotic and ludicrous attempts by the Bush administration and the likes of crackpot Stephen Hayes to portray Hussein as this dangerous
supporter of worldwide terrorism
, the only real, bona fide evidence has shown Hussein really just supported the Palestinians. This made him an enemy of and a threat to Israel, but only a political nuisance to the US. Hussein himself considered Iran to be his major rival and threat.

Also, as far as Hussein's trial goes, some of you self-proclaimed "reality-based" folk here perchance ought to look into who actually primarily funded and set up Hussein's trial.

Hope this clarifies.

-BC

This administration's worke... (Below threshold)
groucho:

This administration's worked long and hard to sell the idea of Saddam's connection with worldwide terror, especially against the US, which sets up his execution as the latest "victory" in the war on terror. Unfortunately many will continue to buy into this despite the lack of any credible evidence.

Sorry, but Saddam's trial and hanging do not represent a step forward for an emerging democratic process in Iraq. None of this happens without US support. We decided he needed to go and he's gone. And good riddance, by the way, no complaints here. I just find it curious that he was frog marched to the gallows in pretty short order, considering the American penchant for long, drawn out trials with multiple appeals. Inquiring minds want to know.

someone needs to teach thes... (Below threshold)
b:

someone needs to teach these monkeys how to hold a camera still. for crying out loud. he has what could be the best video of the decade - century perhaps, and he cant even HOLD IT STILL for three seconds. jackass.

Just another example of war... (Below threshold)
Reality:

Just another example of war pr0n for the right. Bill has it exactly right. Admit it wingnuts, you're getting a guilty hard-on from this. It's just your way to say USA Hell YEAH! without having to confront the fact that soldiers and Iraqis are being slaughtered every day.

The world will not miss Saddam Hussein. His death is only important if the needless murder of soldiers and Iraqis alike ceases. There's about as much hope of that as there is of jay tea enlisting.

Gillesroy, Bill Searles, BC... (Below threshold)
civil behavior:

Gillesroy, Bill Searles, BC have hit the nail on the head among other multitudinous reasons for such a display of preening by the right.


The hunger for blood, the acceptance of violent crime, the denial of the need for bona fide evidence are all ESSENTIAL to the right for sustaining this degeneration of American responsibility.


The ultimate message we all know from this blog is that there is nothing that will bring the 30%percenters around to understanding. Those who continue to wear blinders are dead enders. It's time for the rest of us to work towards real peace on earth and goodwill towards men, starting today.

civil behavior,<block... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

civil behavior,

It's time for the rest of us to work towards real peace on earth and goodwill towards men, starting today.

You must be talking about working on a new genetically engineered species of humans. Otherwise, it's you who are blind if you think human nature is going to change to allow your vision of the world to become reality. The problem with humans is that they are human and some of them want power, riches and unlimited sexual experiences more than they want to practice self-sacrificing love. Either you have to genetically engineered such traits out of the species or eliminate those individuals with such traits. Of course, you can't have real peace on earth and goodwill towards men if you use force to suppress human nature. Peace on earth will come, but not by human wisdom nor by human power. This, however, is an idea you likely reject.

"sustaining this degenerati... (Below threshold)
USMC Pilot:

"sustaining this degeneration of American responsibility"

Responsibility for what?

If you and the rest of the liberals are all that guilty that America (USA) has a great deal more than the rest of the world, then take everything you own, pack it up and and ship it to someone less fortunate, but leave the rest of us alone. We didn't start anything, except maybe tring to prevent some genicides, so we don't have anything to appologize for. If you realy hate the US so much, do the rest of us a favor and move to France, where you will be more than welcome.

Why don't you go check t... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

Why don't you go check that slick prick white trash Willie (BJ Cliton) if he has one.That's if there isn't something round and plump swinging from it. Now go back to sleep ignorant fraud.

Its not so fun to watch....... (Below threshold)
914:

Its not so fun to watch....Needs to be seen in its entirety to enjoy the snapping conclusion!

"By: HughI'm makin... (Below threshold)
Hugh Is Full Of Shit:

"By: Hugh

I'm making a New Years resolution. I will only engage in debate from now on. I will not call any one name(s), nor will I be sarcastic or caustic.

Published: December 27, 2006 02:35 PM "

Right back to his old thread-hijacking ways.


MacLorry,... (Below threshold)
civil behavior:

MacLorry,

A new species of man or one that is willing to takes its god given responsibility towards peace seriously?


Eliminate individuals with those traits? Would those be the same ones with such blood lust for hanging?

Much of human nature is learned behaviors. Psych 101.


USMC,

"leave us alone"? Would you think Iraqi's might be thinking just that at this point? In fact I think many of them have said as much. The apology for Iraq is one of the largest we need to start with. Our country has seen better than this kind of imperialist behavior. It's been happening since WW1 it's just that GW Bush has taken it to a whole new level.

CB, shutup stupid. Seri... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

CB, shutup stupid. Seriously

CB:"Would you thin... (Below threshold)
USMC Pilot:

CB:

"Would you think Iraqi's might be thinking just that (leave us alone)at this point?"

Definately! However, these are the Iraqi's that want an Islamic regime that will offer little more to the average Iraqi than did Sadam. Just as with the foul smell in the car, "beware the one who screams the loudest".

civil behavior,<block... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

civil behavior,

Eliminate individuals with those traits? Would those be the same ones with such blood lust for hanging?

If so, what will you do, shoot them?

Much of human nature is learned behaviors.

You can see how kids learn to tell the truth even when they know punishment follows, like who broke something. You can see them learn to share and you can see some of them learn to put the interests of others on an equal basis with their own. Then there are the few who learn self-sacrificing love for those outside their family. However, these are leaned behaviors, not natural behaviors, and not everyone learns or wants to learn them.

The brilliant minds that proposed communism failed to understand human nature or they would have known communism was a "dead ender." The brilliant minds that propose enlightening people to achieve "real peace on earth and goodwill towards men" make the same mistake and their vision is another "dead ender".

Hugh slogged through the ri... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Hugh slogged through the right-wing lies to nail it again:

No jay it's my response to a specific post by Priestep about not attending the Saturday event. Get your facts straight before criticizing. Just your standard rush to defend the indefensible.

That being said, it's amusing to see you rationalize the fact that the president, busy chopping wood, can't come to Washington to greet Mrs Ford and pay respects to a previous president. Of course, he found time to rush back in the middle of a vacation and in the middle of the night to sign a bill to keep alive a dead woman.

No double standard. Just the facts.

Absolutely correct. I was going to post a similar comment yesterday, but figured that Kim's embarrassment was so obvious it wasn't needed -- but Jay's comment proves otherwise. Blatant hypocrisy from the ethically-challenged right.

A perfect example of why America won't allow the Republicans to stay in power any longer. Bloggers like Kim and Jay, spewing their lies and hypocrisy daily, helped lose the election for the Republicans in '06, and they will do the same in '08. They are indeed Time's people of the year -- hey are helping turn this country away from one of the darkest periods in recent history.

Huzzah!, Kim and Jay, keep up the good work.

Lee, <blockqu... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Lee,

Bloggers like Kim and Jay, spewing their lies and hypocrisy daily, helped lose the election for the Republicans in '06, and they will do the same in '08.

I doubt you're so foolish as to count those chickens before the eggs are even laid, so the above is likely just a taunt to see what reaction you can get. Good thing it's so easy to change monikers or just stay away if Democrats blow their advantage in the next two years. Only a fool would think 08 is in the bag for the Democrats.

"They (Kim and Jay) are ind... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

"They (Kim and Jay) are indeed Time's people of the year."....Thanks, Lee! Still laughing!

Scapegoated, railroaded by ... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

Scapegoated, railroaded by the Iraqi people in an Iraqi court that tried him for crimes against humanity, not war crimes as the leftie mouthpiece AP sent around the world.

Why was he tried, found guilt and hanged? This site should answer all of your questions. Only an idiot wouldn't want to see the man dead.

http://www.9neesan.com/massgraves/ Most of you should be capable of copy and paste the link. If not ask some three year old and they show you how.

Since Lee was wrong about t... (Below threshold)
Jo:

Since Lee was wrong about the democrats winning in 2000, 2002, 2004 and only got 2006 right, that means the GOP will win again in 2008. Yeeehaw Lee. Thanks for the prediction.

"Only a fool would think... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"Only a fool would think 08 is in the bag for the Democrats."

If the Presidential election was held tomorrow my dead grandmother could beat any of the Republican candidates in the current field, and there is nothing Bush can do, and nothing Bush can accomplish on Iraq, Iran, N. Korea, or the GWOT that will save that situation -- short of resigning for the office of President.

As long as Bush stays in office, the Republicans will lose the White House in '08, guaranteed. The only way for the GOP to rise above the ashes of the Bush administration is for Bush himself to resign, and thereby show that GOP leaders do indeed have at least a modicum of integrity in the process. Absent that, the GOP will stink no matter who they put up as a candidate. The stench of Bush's legacy will taint the GOP for another decade, minimum.

I know most of you here won't "get that", but most of you also didn't "get" that the American voters were going to sweep the Democrats into power on November 7th, so it is no surprise that you won't grok this either.

The coolest part is that we liberals know that the more we call for Bush to resign, the greater the likelihood that he wont.

So, we have control of the House and Senate, and the knowledge and assurance that we make Bush do the wrong thing for the GOP's chances in '08. Sweet!

Lee,If th... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Lee,

If the Presidential election was held tomorrow my dead grandmother could beat any of the Republican candidates in the current field, and there is nothing Bush can do, and nothing Bush can accomplish on Iraq, Iran, N. Korea, or the GWOT that will save that situation -- short of resigning for the office of President.

The election is not tomorrow and there is plenty of time for the Democrats to lose the election between now and the fall of 08. No one can know what the situation in Iraq, Iran, and N. Korea will look like in the fall of 08, so the safest prediction is that those predicting a specific outcome will be proven wrong.

The coolest part is that we liberals know that the more we call for Bush to resign, the greater the likelihood that he wont.

If the lefties just keep screeching for Bush to resign they'll only prove to the American electorate that they are just a bunch of whiny wimps with no ideas on how to lead this country. The American electorate has given the Democrats the ball for the first time in years, and if the Democrats can't or don't move the ball they will forfeit it.

In the next two years the Democrats have to demonstrate they can do a better job at governing than the Republicans and that means real ideas and leadership. This is their chance, and if the electorate puts the Republicans back in charge in 08 it will be because the Democrats failed to live up to the electorate's expectations. It's time to switch gears and lead Lee, and at least some of the Democratic leadership seems to understand that. Are you going to get on board or just keep playing defense even though your side has the ball?

USMC:Same answer a... (Below threshold)
Hugh:

USMC:

Same answer about the conspiracy. No. I think, for the most part, conspiracy theories are cop-outs for rational argument. Except for the occasional blockbusters like Nixon.
It seems to meconspiracies are for criminals or goofballs. Probably wrong there, probably an over simplification. But that's what i think.

H

To whomever the person is w... (Below threshold)
Hugh:

To whomever the person is who isn't willing to give his/her name in criticizing my post. Happy New Year!

Hijack? It was a simple observation, which happened to be correct. Next time have the courtesy to let me know your name.

"No one can know what th... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"No one can know what the situation in Iraq, Iran, and N. Korea will look like in the fall of 08, so the safest prediction is that those predicting a specific outcome will be proven wrong."

There is nothing Bush can accomplish that will save the situation. If you believe otherwise, you're a fool. Bush ins an incompetent, surrounded by dishonest people who lack integrity. They haven't accomplished a damn thing in the last six years. It's been one disaster after another.

If disaster is averted in Iraq, Iran, etc, it will be no thanks to Bush - who got us into those messes to start with. Bush severely de-stabiized the Middle East, and put the Iranian-backed Shiites into power in Iraq. The nation of Israel is in more danger now than ever before. There is nothing Bush can accomplish that will save the situation.

"Are you going to get on board or just keep playing defense even though your side has the ball?"

Bush has the ball. He will fumble -- we Democrats can't stop him from continuing to make political blunders. The Democrats are instead going to do what the American public demanded of us. As the Foley incident clearly illustrates, as if there wasn't enough evidence already, Republicans cannot be trusted to mind the store.

There is corruption and deceit on both sides of the aisle, but it has been the benign neglect of the Republican leadership that has allowed this system to flourish, and the Democrats will clean house.

Over the next two years the Democrats are going to clean the House and Senate of the corruption that has run rampant under the GOP control, and hold hearings on a number of topics that is going to further expose the lies of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and their lackeys. Lies that originated in the oval office. No wonder Cheney was praising Ford's decision to pardon Nixon -- he's hoping him and Bush will be equally lucky.

Yes, Democrats will carry the ball, and will expose the Bush administration as the lying, corrupt pack of dishonest people who should be run out of town on a rail. Now that we know Bush's interest in bipartisanship lasted a whole two weeks, there will be an unrelenting Democratic push on the Republicans in the White House to cooperate with the wishes of the American people, or at least get out the way gracefully. They won't do either (that's my prediction anyway) and the American people will have to finish the job and force the GOP out of the White House in '08, just as they forced the GOP out of Congress in '06.

Bush has the ball, MacLorry, and he will continue to fail, I guarantee it. He's not smart enough to avoid being manipulated by the opposition, and he knows better than trust Rove et al. He'll want to do it his way, just like Nixon, and just like Nixon, Bush will fail, and bring about his own downfall. Democrats will let him, and Republicans aren't smart enough to stop him.

UI find it interesting that... (Below threshold)
eddie bear:

UI find it interesting that when MSM runs jihadi videos, they claim it's for the unvarnished truth. No restraint was shown, and they gleefully aired the footage and body count stats.

Yet now, they refuse to show much of this deal, citing the need for restraint?!? And they claime they aren't biased?

Lee,There... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Lee,

There is nothing Bush can accomplish that will save the situation. If you believe otherwise, you're a fool. Bush ins an incompetent, surrounded by dishonest people who lack integrity. They haven't accomplished a damn thing in the last six years. It's been one disaster after another.

Bush is not the only player in Iraq, Iran or N. Korea. Things can turn in short order and no one but a fool thinks otherwise.

Bush has the ball. He will fumble -- we Democrats can't stop him from continuing to make political blunders.

You need to worry less about what blunders Bush might make and more about what blunders the Democratically controlled congress might make.

Over the next two years the Democrats are going to clean the House and Senate of the corruption that has run rampant under the GOP control. . .

The Democrats risk exposing their own corruption and looking worse than the Republicans.

. . . and hold hearings on a number of topics that is going to further expose the lies of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and their lackeys. Lies that originated in the oval office. No wonder Cheney was praising Ford's decision to pardon Nixon -- he's hoping him and Bush will be equally lucky.

That's exactly the strategy that will cost the Democrats their majority status in 08. The American electorate has moved on and wants action of numerous domestic issues. If all they hear is how the Democrats are rehashing the past the electorate will turn them out of office in 08 just like they brought them into office in 06.

Yes, Democrats will carry the ball, and will expose the Bush administration as the lying, corrupt pack of dishonest people who should be run out of town on a rail.

Running against Bush will cost the Democrats far more than it gains them. Some of the Democratic leadership understands that Bush can't run in 08, so there's little to be gained by rehashing the past. My prediction is that the Democratic leadership will stay out foreign policy for the most part and concentrate on domestic issues; the things that are important to the American electorate. Yes, Bush has the ball on foreign policy, but if you believe Bush can't do anything on foreign policy to help himself or his party, then the smart move is to stay out of it. Otherwise, Democrats risk being seen as obstructionists and could be blamed for interfering with completion of Bush's plan for Iraq.

Democrates have the ball too and they'll be held accountable for what they do in the next two years. Lead or get out of the way.

" Otherwise, Democrats r... (Below threshold)
Lee:

" Otherwise, Democrats risk being seen as obstructionists and could be blamed for interfering with completion of Bush's plan for Iraq."

From the standpoint of the 08 elections, Democrats are extremely saddened (wink) by the fact that Bush has chosen to go this alone, and ignore the input of a bipartisan commission that is in line with the wishes of the American electorate. Since he won't accomplish his goal (if he was capable of that he would have done so two years ago), all he's doing is digging the Republicans further into a hole come November 4, 2008.

We're cheering Bush on, MacLorry - don't you get it? No, you don't -- and we're counting on that Mac. Keep up the good work.

Lee,We're... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Lee,

We're cheering Bush on, MacLorry - don't you get it? No, you don't -- and we're counting on that Mac. Keep up the good work.

I do get it Lee and that's why I said "the smart move is [for Democrats] to stay out of it [foreign policy]." The White House will be won or lost in 08 by the Democratic candidate running against the Republican candidate, and that won't be Bush. In the meantime, the Democratic majority in Congress has to live up to the expectations of the electorate or they won't be in the majority for long. The Democrats can't do that by just criticizing Bush or Republicans, they have to actually lead. I think the Democratic leadership gets it, but it seems your thinking is still pre 11/7/06. Ideas on how to solve problems are what Democrats need. If you don't have any you're not going to be much help and if you stay in your pre 11/7/06 mode of thinking you're going to be a detriment to Democrats.

Bill Searles:That'... (Below threshold)
Bill Searles:

Bill Searles:

That's a pretty big leap, from watching Sadam hang to strapping bombs on babies bodies.
Posted by: USMC Pilot at December 31, 2006 09:56 AM

USMC Piolet:
No I don't think it is. Its easy to write off the Jihadists as wackos. But thats not really understanding the underlying problem. These people have cut their first teeth on death and violence. We know for a fact that corporations spend billions a year on advertising. They know that by exposing us to their product in some way, they can influence our behavior. You may not think so, but the whole advertising industry in general will disagree. So tell me why exposing people, espicially children to a whole barrage, lasting for years of a steady stream of violence and death videos, not to mention any actual violence they happen to witness, won't impact their behavior. At the very least, it creates an accepting additude of, "Thats just the way it is." I just don't believe people are born monsters. There are no evil babies. Monsters are created. Does that mean I advocate censorship? No it doesn't. It simply means Kim should excersise better judgement. And in case you think this is some kind of Liberal anti violence arguement, you are wrong. Judge Robert Bork, in one of his books discusses in great detail how our actions influence others. Its NOT ok for me to shoot up heroine in the privacy of my own home in my spare time. Because I take my pro heroine additude out into the world and influence others around me. I have a responsibility to my community. So this argument is quite pro conservative. And as for the "If you don't like it, then don't watch it" argument, thats the basic argument of most drug dealers. This sort of video posting serves no one. And Kim is reduced to Howard Stern status.

Mac Lorry:I hear wha... (Below threshold)
Bill Searles:

Mac Lorry:
I hear what you are saying. I too am somewhat of a cinic. But there is something that has puzzled me for a long time, something that I have noticed. What I have noticed is that there are real differences in additudes from community to community. I wondered what would make people in Bridgeport or Hartford CT, take a "mind your own business" additude, {to the point they tell women to yell fire! if they are being raped or mugged} to a real community orientated additude, of genuine social responsibility, as you will most definetly find in the North Hampton and Pioneer Valley area of Massachusetts. Why this difference? I wondered for a long time, but the answer was quite simple. There happened to be more good people than bad in North Hampton. At least enough to effect the tipping poing to tip in their favor. Once the predominent additude of an area is established, newcomers conform to it in order to become accepted. And the spirit grows. If the predominent additude is one of gangsters and criminals, then people {not everyone of course} conform to become accepted. This has never been more visible in childhood social circles.
So my point is, we can affect our community for the better or worse. You don't need a 51% majority to effect the tipping point, just a vocal minority of a far lessor percentage. Man will certainly never have peace on earth, but perhaps by taking a stand, we can hold the line, and prevent crime stats from going up. Maybe with some luck, we can even make an improvement.

civil behavior,


It's time for the rest of us to work towards real peace on earth and goodwill towards men, starting today.

You must be talking about working on a new genetically engineered species of humans. Otherwise, it's you who are blind if you think human nature is going to change to allow your vision of the world to become reality. The problem with humans is that they are human and some of them want power, riches and unlimited sexual experiences more than they want to practice self-sacrificing love. Either you have to genetically engineered such traits out of the species or eliminate those individuals with such traits. Of course, you can't have real peace on earth and goodwill towards men if you use force to suppress human nature. Peace on earth will come, but not by human wisdom nor by human power. This, however, is an idea you likely reject.
Posted by: Mac Lorry at December 31, 2006 11:57 AM

Bill Searles,<blockqu... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Bill Searles,

So my point is, we can affect our community for the better or worse. You don't need a 51% majority to effect the tipping point, just a vocal minority of a far lessor percentage. Man will certainly never have peace on earth, but perhaps by taking a stand, we can hold the line, and prevent crime stats from going up. Maybe with some luck, we can even make an improvement.

Your example is limited to within the framework of a nation and the workings of a civil society. Even within that limited domain, people have to take a stand and employ force and violence against criminals. On the world stage the same base nature of humans produces conflicts between nations that lead to war.

George Santayana apparently understands that the fundamental problem with human society is that it's run by humans and so he writes in "Soliloquies in England" that "only the dead have seen the end of war." Individuals can choose another path in their personal lives and many individuals living in western nations in recent history have escaped at least the first hand experience of war, but as a whole, human society is doomed to live in conflict because conflict is the result of our very nature. The hope of Christians is expressed in the Christmas carol "Joy to the World" written by Isaac Watts. Simply put "Let earth receive her King . . . . He rules the world with truth and grace, And makes the nations prove The glories of His righteousness, And wonders of His love. . ."

HUGH--went to law school? N... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

HUGH--went to law school? Next you will be telling us that you went to the moon as a stowaway. Which school? Date. (or maybe you meant kindergarden).
"pucker puss" (lee lee)-can you make your post by just hitting your "ditto" key. That way we don't go to sleep everytime you post.

Mac Lorry:For the mo... (Below threshold)
Bill Searles:

Mac Lorry:
For the most part, I agree with you. Mankind will never produce peace on earth by himself. And I agree with applying force against criminals is necessary. I myself caught a burglar in my home and chased him for a quarter mile before catching him. He received a severe beating and was held until witnesses were able to call the police, and I could have him arrested. I come down hard against those who have no regard for the law and attempt to victimize me. But aside from that, there are other more subtle ways to affect society without having to dole out the beatings. If you walk around as a hostile person, others react to that, and its hardly ever in a positive way. So to get back on point, I simply see no value in an execution video if its for entertainment purposes. No good will result from it. I share your Biblical veiw for your future, although I belong to no form of organized religion.

What a friggin' total disas... (Below threshold)
Larkin:

What a friggin' total disaster! We've managed to make Saddam into a martyr for all the Sunni terrorists and psychopaths in the world and particularly in Iraq. There's simply no doubt that the humiliating and degrading manner (that was a Shiite prayer they were reciting before they started chanting "Moqtata") in which Saddam was executed will inflame the insurgency and cause more of our heroes to lose their lives unnecessarily.

But why should it come as any surprise after how we have seen Bush and the neocons mismanage every aspect of the Iraq occupation. It's just one more example of the staggering incompetence and arrogance that has gotten a lot of our own people killed and that has recruited legions of new terrorists who will be killing Americans for decades to come.

Good going GW.

Larkin,First off, ... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Larkin,

First off, Muslims have a very low standard for what they call a "martyr", so it's basically meaningless. Second, there were no Americans in the building when Sadism was hanged, so your blaming Bush for some Muslims chanting "Moqtata" is just more leftwing bull.

Just for the record, IRC ob... (Below threshold)
phil:

Just for the record, IRC obtained and published the original, unedited version of the cell phone video hanging of Saddam Hussein, but Drudge or YouTube or any of the major networks. To read more about this and we the first original version of the tape (that has now been edited and manipulated all over the web):

http://wwww.indierockcafe.com

Posted by: jhow66 at Jan... (Below threshold)
hansel2:

Posted by: jhow66 at January 1, 2007 10:13 AM

jhow, what's a monkey doing up so late? Gotta get some sleep, monkey. There's a whole big tray of celery waiting for you. Gotta get your energy to dance for it.

After reading all the comme... (Below threshold)
Mike:

After reading all the commentary related to the execution of Saddam Hussein; it is my opinion that the American penchant for navel gazing has reached new heights, especially on the GOP side of the ledger. Saddam was the brainchild of misguided American Foreign Policy; he was seconded to act as proxy for the US in their covert war with Iran, just as the Muhajideen/Taliban were in Afghanistan. In other words, these present day boogeymen were created by the US, they just happend to be in the right place at the right time, to be used by an inherently corrupt system to further the aims of people you don't vote for. The Bush administration has much to answer for, however, they don't make any of the decisions; they just trot them out for unthinking consumption by the general public. As an illustration of this, refer to Colon (sic) Powell's ridiculous presentation to the UN, while making the case for war against Iraq i.e. the satellite images of a truck taking WMD out of a site prior to Hans Blix showing up with a UN inspection team, if they could show that, why couldn't they show the UN where they put the stuff? It isn't bad intelligence, it's good old fashioned bald faced lying. If anybody wants to figure out where things are going, trot down to your local library and pick up a copy of 1984, George Orwell may not have known it at the time, but he provided the blueprint for the present world order. Wake up and smell the coffee America, your country has been hijacked, but the guys who did this many years ago aren't sending out any demands, they don't need to, they already have what they want and have for decades now.

En lo personal me parece qu... (Below threshold)
Mario Ornelas:

En lo personal me parece que el homicidio no puede ser castigado con otra muerte, es incongruente ya que se cae en una conducta antijurìdica para sancionar otra; pero en el caso de este viejo maldito creo que si fue necesaria sobre todo para demostrarle al mundo que no todos los gobernantes criminales se "salen con la suya".

Desde Chihuahua, México, cuna de la Revolución Mexicana les saludo.

This is too much even thou... (Below threshold)

This is too much even though he has done mistakes this is not the way to punish him at this age it is very pain full to see this video if americans executed him do you think all its over? i am sorry bush is unfit to be a human being and a president let him try to behave like a human being




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