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BBC: President Bush Will Announce Troop Boost in Iraq Soon

According to a report at the Beeb, President Bush will reveal that he will boost troop levels in Iraq:

US President George W Bush intends to reveal a new Iraq strategy within days, the BBC has learnt.


The speech will reveal a plan to send more US troops to Iraq to focus on ways of bringing greater security, rather than training Iraqi forces.

The move comes with figures from Iraqi ministries suggesting that deaths among civilians are at record highs.

The US president arrived back in Washington on Monday after a week-long holiday at his ranch in Texas.

The BBC was told by a senior administration source that the speech setting out changes in Mr Bush's Iraq policy is likely to come in the middle of next week.

Its central theme will be sacrifice.

The speech, the BBC has been told, involves increasing troop numbers.

The exact mission of the extra troops in Iraq is still under discussion, according to officials, but it is likely to focus on providing security rather than training Iraqi forces.

The proposal, if it comes, will be highly controversial.

Already one senior Republican senator has called it Alice in Wonderland.

So, I wonder who called this plan Alice in Wonderland. Arlen Specter or Richard Lugar perhaps? It is not Alice in Wonderland for us to make a final big push to get Iraq's security under control. We need to rid the country of the terrorists and Saddam loyalists because we can do it much faster and more effectively if we work with Iraq's forces rather than just training Iraq's forces. Dialing down our troops or leaving too soon will cause us to have to go back again later, and by then it would certainly be even worse than it is right now.


Comments (67)

"Its central theme will be ... (Below threshold)
yo:

"Its central theme will be sacrifice."

... and there in lies the major problem with this war, or rather the public's view of it. One of the main products of the pussification of America is that a majority of people don't understand the need for such sacrifice, or aren't willing to make any sort of sacrifice under any circumstances.

Then again, if you don't truly understand the problem then how can you truly understand the sacrifice required?

Beats me.

Though, I'm sure we'll hear the anti-war catter-walling any moment, now.

I think Bush just wants to ... (Below threshold)

I think Bush just wants to see how low his approval rating will go. He wants to join Cheney in the teens.

Yo's got it right - sacrifi... (Below threshold)
cmd:

Yo's got it right - sacrifice? From the left?

Never. Gonna. Happen.

I bet my paycheck - when the President calls for Americans to make sacrifices to help end the war, the left will rise as one to scream a big "F**K YOU, CHIMPY!" They'll go out and buy the biggest gas-wasting Hummers they can find. They'll drive everywhere, even into their own backyards. They'll do everything to visibly waste resources, thereby showing they don't support "Boy Georgie"'s War For Oil. I guarantee it.

Remember - this isn't America's War. It's Bush's. And they support the troops - even if they are stoopid brainwashed Bushbot babykillers. And we had no right to hang poor widdle Saddam - it's Bush who should be hung, as an oh-so-tolerant leftie screamed at a recent Edwards campaign appearance.

But hey - don't you dare question their patriotism!

Well, the sacrifice part is... (Below threshold)
Hugh:

Well, the sacrifice part is most interesting. All this president does is ask the military to sacrifice and they do...over and over and over. Not a peep from this guy about asking the country to sacrifice anything. The cost? We'll sneak that in outside the normal budget propsals. Pay for it? Sure. Who cares about the deficits. No one has to "sacrifice". Just the soldiers and sailors and their families. But the armchair generals keep on cheering.

"No one has to 'sacrific... (Below threshold)
cmd:

"No one has to 'sacrifice.' Just the soldiers and sailors and their families. But the armchair generals keep on cheering."

And the armchair strategists keep insisting we're DOOOOOMMMEDDD!! It's VIETNAAAAAAAAAMMMM!!

So howzabout it, Hugh? If the President asks you to 'sacrifice' - fewer car trips, maybe a little donation to the troops, or something else I haven't thought of - will you do it? Or will you just shoot a big middle finger to BusHitler?

"We need to rid the coun... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"We need to rid the country of the terrorists and Saddam loyalists because we can do it much faster and more effectively if we work with Iraq's forces rather than just training Iraq's forces."

It looks like you've joined the others in Wonderland, Kim, if you think we can ever "...rid the country of the terrorists and Saddam loyalists". There is no military solution to the war in Iraq.

I suspect what all we're seeing is an attempt to bring security to a somewhat reasonable level as the first stage of our withdrawl. What you are witnessing, Kim, is Bush's cut and run plan. Move a lot more troops in for cover and start organizing the retreat...

... but Bush can't be honest with the American people because it will cost political points for the Republican Party, so he lies again. Switch over to Fox News and keep it there, Kim -- they'll lie you right through Wonderland. When you come back to the United States we'll talk about what really happened.

President Bush will reve... (Below threshold)

President Bush will reveal that he will boost troop levels in Iraq

Heh...well, considering that the 82nd Airborne's 2nd Brigade Combat Team (including my husband) got orders on 12/27 and are leaving this week, I guess I can confirm that report!

But that's old news, since CNN and USA Today have been reporting that since before the orders came down.


They've been allowed to talk about it for weeks, while us military spouse bloggers couldn't say anything about it at all until the 27th.

It certainly made for an interesting Christmas!

What you are witne... (Below threshold)
Larkin:
What you are witnessing, Kim, is Bush's cut and run plan.

I don't think that's the plan.

I believe Bush's goal at this point is to play out the clock on his remaining 24 months in office and escape back to his ranch in Crawford while avoiding the difficult decision to withdraw from Iraq as we must inevitably do. He wants to dump the mess on the next President and pray that history doesn't record him as the President who "lost Iraq".

It's astonishing to me that the President has somehow convinced himself that he can escalate our involvement in Iraq against the will of a solid majority of the American people and an overwhelming majority of the Iraqi people. This is supposed to be a government of the people, by the people and for the people as Abraham Lincoln said. If Bush attempts to proceed with this nonsensical "surge" that isn't going to make one bit of difference in Iraq's raging civil war I think people will start calling into question his fitness for the office. Talk of impeachment can't be far behind.


to Yo: Sacrifice for a wor... (Below threshold)
blackcat77:

to Yo: Sacrifice for a worthwhile cause and one which has a reasonable chance of success will be accepted. Unfortunately for W, Iraq does not satisfy either criterion.

Thanks, blackcat, for provi... (Below threshold)
cmd:

Thanks, blackcat, for proving my point. The left will never 'sacrifice' as long as the CinC has an (R) after his name. But let My Pretty Edwards or John "Botched" Kerry or Hitlery get into office and see how fast the left will start talking about "patriotic duty" and "supporting the troops" and "sacrfice on the home front."

And Iraq not a 'worthwhile cause' ? Tell that to the women who no longer have to fear rape rooms. Tell that to the thousands buried in Saddam's mass graves. Tell it to the gassed Kurds. But hey - the Iraqis are all a bunch of camel jockeys, so who cares, right? Should have just let Saddam have his way.

You people disgust me. None of you blathering, feculent moral cripples are fit to lick Dubya's shoes, let alone prattle about 'worthwhile causes.'

And 'talk of impeachment can't be far behind,' Larkin? When have you traitors ever screeched anything but impeachment, asshat?

My New Year's Resolution is... (Below threshold)
bobdog:

My New Year's Resolution is this: I will no longer give any credibility whatsoever to unsourced gossip, whether it's Jamil Hussein, that often-quoted Mexican guy, Senor Administration Official, his bastard half-brother, Senor Pentagon Official, or anybody else, whether it's marked Top Secret or not.

As far as I'm concerned, unsourced "news" is not news at all. It's gossip and it's assumed to be manufactured for political purposes until somebody has the cajones to put their name on their leak. The Majors have gotten away with this crap for way too long.

This entire story from the BBC should be considered a lie until they can prove it up.

Bobdog, as one poster confi... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Bobdog, as one poster confidentially noted, the troop movements have already begun...I suggest if you want to wait for next week's official Presidential announcement, that's your business, but even The Wall Street Journal,' one of Bush perhap's most loyal defenders on the war, iimplies the troop escalation is a 'fait accompli' Calibrating a Troop 'Surge'.

And 'talk of impea... (Below threshold)
Larkin:
And 'talk of impeachment can't be far behind,' Larkin? When have you traitors ever screeched anything but impeachment, asshat?

I'm not advocating impeachment myself. What I am saying is that people will start to question Bush's judgment if he proceeds with this plan.

Who in their right mind seriously believes that an extra 20-30,000 troops can stop the slide into civil war in Iraq? Do you think that any of the generals believe that? Did you notice that Abizaid resigned right when all this talk began?

It's not just Dems who will start to question Bush's mental faculties if he proceeds with this. A lot of Republicans will as well. Can you imagine Republicans in Congress who barely squeaked by in 2006 looking forward to a rerun of that election in 2008?

At what point are the elder statesmen in the Republican Party going to sit Bush down and talk some sense into him? Escalating our involvement in Iraq won't fly with the American people and it won't change the situation measurably in Iraq. Everyone says the only solution to Iraq is a political one; not military. Of course, the mishandling of Saddam's execution has just pushed a political resolution further out of reach.


"Who in their right mind... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"Who in their right mind seriously believes that an extra 20-30,000 troops can stop the slide into civil war in Iraq? Do you think that any of the generals believe that? Did you notice that Abizaid resigned right when all this talk began?"

I agree, there is no military solution to Iraq. We are in the midst of an effort to calm the quagmire through increased law enforcement efforts. As long as the U.S. occupies Iraq were are more a part of the problem than the solution. Violence against Iraqis was higher in December 06 than any other period in the past.

That's why I think this is just phase 1 of our withdrawl from Iraq. Bush will lie about this of course, just as he lied on October 25, 2006 stating that we are winning the war in Iraq. The facts is that the additional troops are needed as we pull back and pull out.

Welcome to the initial stages of Bush's "cut and run" -- namely bring in in a lot of troops to provide cover and secure the paths for retreat. This will last a short time, and then troop reductions will kick in.

Leave it to Lee to rah-rah ... (Below threshold)
LJD:

Leave it to Lee to rah-rah for the enemy.

"Thanks, blackcat, for prov... (Below threshold)
yo:

"Thanks, blackcat, for proving my point. The left will never 'sacrifice' as long as the CinC has an (R) after his name."

cmd

For clarification, that wasn't my point. My point being that those who do not understand the GWOT are the first to criticize it, and the last to admit that we may actually be fighting for something, over there. And due to such, won't make any sacrifice, whatsoever.

The CinC needn't be R or D, it's the simple fact that many on the left see absolutely no reason to go to war, ever. It's all that free-love hippie crap which, while an admirable goal, simply won't work outside of the realm of fairies and lollipop gardens.

And, like it or not, Iraq is the cornerstone of the GWOT for several reasons. I'd spell them out, but I'd recommend folks read the legislation for military action that a lot D's signed on to (before they signed off of). That pretty much spells it all out.

Still ..., for Bush to call for sacrifice is rather rich considering that not only will it fall on deaf ears, he'll be chastised for it.

He's right, but those ladened with BSD can't look past their petty political bias to give the man a chance and understand that this is NOT a political war.

Whatever. I don't agree with the man on much, but he's got my support for this war. He told me up front it would be long, and difficult and ugly; but it had to be done. I understood that and accepted it. A lot of D's agreed with him, as well ... when, of course, it was politically expedient to do so.

Short version of my rambling is that if we're not successful in the GWOT, and/or it does start to play out like Vietnam, the Dems can take a long hard look into the mirror and think what did they do to HELP the cause to see the reason why.

And Iraq not a 'worthwhi... (Below threshold)
Fordrill:

And Iraq not a 'worthwhile cause' ? Tell that to the women who no longer have to fear rape rooms. Tell that to the thousands buried in Saddam's mass graves. Tell it to the gassed Kurds. But hey - the Iraqis are all a bunch of camel jockeys, so who cares, right? Should have just let Saddam have his way.

Cmd, are you still one of the gullible losers who believe THAT was the reason Bush got us into this war? To help the Iraqi's? That was just one in a long line of lies created to keep you complacent. And, lets see, if we're going to be Superman for all the Iraqi's, why isn't our government suggesting we do the same for North Korea? Or Sudan? How about the Kongo?

Wars are fought for economic gain and the future security of the countries entering into it. They are NOT fought for altruism (and, no, we finally entered WWII when WE were attacked, not when the concentration camps were first created).

Keep on believing this bull that the chimp feeds you. Idiots like you need to be soothed with these baby-like explanations.

We have a case of Captain Q... (Below threshold)
civil behavior:

We have a case of Captain Queeg on our hands folks.


If a troop surge is all that is needed why wasn't it implemented during the 109th republican congressional session?


THE MUTINY STARTS NOW.

Gripe all you want but Bush... (Below threshold)
Florence Schmieg:

Gripe all you want but Bush is the head of state and the commander in chief and has the constitutional authority to decide all war decisions. The only thing the wimpish Republicans and traitorous Democrats can do is refuse to fund the war. Will they do that? Then they will no longer be able to claim they have no responsibility for what happens. It will be on their heads.

Impeachment has become a silly word bandied about loosely. The constitution limits it to high crimes, not unpopular political decisions. And the Democrats here are too giddy about their relatively slim majorities in Congress. They now have the exact majority the Republicans had in this last congress, and they are 4 fewer seats in the Senate. The Republicans would never vote for a Bush impeachment. There are probably insufficient votes even to overcome presidential vetos. Republicans would die at the polls if they voted yes on impeachment. They would lose all of the conservatives and most other Rs and, I believe, a lot of the independents and moderates in the D party. You guys will just have to win the presidency in 08 to effect war decisions, the presidential responsibility.

Lee - I think you could be ... (Below threshold)
Larkin:

Lee - I think you could be right that this "surge" is part of a cut-and-run strategy by Bush. However, you are assuming that Bush has the guts to conclude our involvement in Iraq during the remainder of his term. That would be the right thing to do but I question whether he has the character to do it.

As we have learned time and again, it is a heck of a lot easier to go into someplace than it is to get out (e.g. Vietnam, Lebanon, Somalia, etc.).

Ultimately, the question here has to be whether we will ever learn our lesson that trying to (halfheartedly) impose our values on other countries can ever bear any fruit. The Wizbangers in here who believe that Moqtada al-Sadr, Hakim, Maliki and the rest of the murderous thugs who govern Iraq now are any better than Saddam are living in a fantasy world utterly disconnected from reality.

And why are the "escalationists" in here talking about 100,000 or 200,000 more troops for Iraq rather than 10 or 20,000? If you all truly believed that escalation will work why wouldn't you send in overwhelming force?


"wars are NOT. . .fought... (Below threshold)
cmd:

"wars are NOT. . .fought for altruism."

Never said they were, Ford. But for anyone to deny the good that has come out of removing a psychopathic dictator is to show oneself a moral cripple in the deepest stages of BDS.

And as for NK or the Sudan - I do think we should intervene. Better to spend our moral capital helping people achieve freedom rather than wait for the child-rapists at the UN to do something.

But hey - I'm sure you're pretty tuckered out right now. Pasting a FREE TIBET bumpersticker on your VW before heading off to the next Saddam candelight vigil is awfully tiring.

What Larkin & Lee are doing... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

What Larkin & Lee are doing in their comments on this thread is called projection. They are projecting THEIR desire for the US to loose the war in Iraq onto President Bush.

Because I believe the President does not want the U.S. to loose the war, his motivations for this troop increase have nothing to do with the pro-terrorist objectives Lee and Larkin believe he has.

"However, you are assumi... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"However, you are assuming that Bush has the guts to conclude our involvement in Iraq during the remainder of his term. That would be the right thing to do but I question whether he has the character to do it."

I pretty much agree - but all of this cut and run by by Bush will eventually lead to a photo op - like the one staged on the aircraft carrier a couple of years ago where Bush declared victory in Iraq (lol) --- and this time Bush will make some lying declaration like "We've brought freedom to Iraq!" - and I suspect he will therefore try to achieve some sense of accomplishment in Iraq - and that he'll do so prior to the 08 election.

That's the saddest thing, in my opinion -- that the US soldiers killed and wounded for the remainder of our presence in Iraq will be killed and wounded principally for the benefit of the Republican party's chances in the 08 elections. The remaining loss of lives is unnecessary except for Bush and the GOP's desire to stage the events in the remainder of our time in Iraq to gain votes.

Once the '08 election is over the quagmire that remains will be the problem of the newly elected Democrat President.

What we see now is Bush staging the Republican Cut and Run -- more US (and Iraqi) lives lost so that lying, corrupt Republican politicians have a better chance in the 2008 elections - it adds up.

Lee, it continues to amaze ... (Below threshold)
bobdog:

Lee, it continues to amaze me how you insist on forcing everything you see through your own personal hate funnel. Don't you ever challenge your own thinking? Have you ever once considered that you might be wrong about anything? Have you ever agreed with anything on this site? I've run into pig-headed people before, but you top the charts. You simply amaze me.

But for anyone to ... (Below threshold)
Larkin:
But for anyone to deny the good that has come out of removing a psychopathic dictator is to show oneself a moral cripple in the deepest stages of BDS.

Sure cmd, that was a good thing but who did we replace him with? Are you seriously arguing that Moqtada al-Sadr is better than Saddam? (Sadr clearly being the most powerful player in Iraq's government as demonstrated at Saddam's hanging).

All we did in Iraq was to replace one murderous thug with a group of murderous thugs. There's no democracy in Iraq and it clearly will not be an ally in the war on terror with SOBs like al Sadr in charge.

What Larkin & Lee are doing in their comments on this thread is called projection. They are projecting THEIR desire for the US to loose the war in Iraq onto President Bush.

Not true Bunyan. We can't lose Iraq's civil war; only the Sunnis or Shiites can. This isn't our war anymore. We removed the evil dictator and gave the Iraqis a chance for a better future which they appear to be blowing big time. It's time to deal with reality and stop spilling our blood and flushing our dollars down that godforsaken wasteland known as Iraq.

I wish the posters did not ... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

I wish the posters did not waste their time and brain energy debating the exagerated statistics Lee and his ilk use. They only want discord and distraction. They constantly keep "off the point" even though they know their comments can be easily disproved. Wake up and ignore the whacko's. Thanks. WW

Ok here is the most insane ... (Below threshold)
drlava:

Ok here is the most insane thing I have read in a while:

Lee, it continues to amaze me how you insist on forcing everything you see through your own personal hate funnel. Don't you ever challenge your own thinking? Have you ever once considered that you might be wrong about anything? Have you ever agreed with anything on this site? I've run into pig-headed people before, but you top the charts. You simply amaze me.

Posted by: bobdog at January 2, 2007 04:59 PM

Hey Bobdog support for Bushs Iraq debacle is at 12%. I'll bet the percentage of americans with some type of mental illness is somewhat close to that.

How many more of our men and women have to die for a lost cause before you morons stop supporting this delusional president. More troops into Iraq=more of our guys are gonna die. You can try to mess that around in your twisted brain and call me a traitor but I have been right on target with what has happened in Iraq since 2002.

Hey bodog...Lee sh... (Below threshold)
groucho:

Hey bodog...

Lee should challenge his thinking? 70% (and climbing) of the American people think we need to change our policy in Iraq. So do nearly every Democrat and probably half the Republicans in Congress, especially those running in '08. Same goes for the Joint Chiefs, numerous present and former commanders as well as the majority of active and retired military, if I heard the latest Military Times poll correctly.

I think that leaves pretty much you and the rest of the myopic minority inhabiting this and similar fringe sites in need of rethinking this thing.

Bobdog barked: Lee - "Ha... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Bobdog barked: Lee - "Have you ever once considered that you might be wrong about anything?"

Yes, bobdog, I have, for example -- right here -- just 5 hours ago -- Posted by: Lee at January 2, 2007 12:07 PM

Now show me a link where you've done the same, bobdog. I'll be checking back on this thread to see your link where you admitted you were wrong.

Don't let me down, Bob. You don't want everyone to think you're just another troll raising your leg on every liberal who comments, now do you...?

Iraq has turned into a Nati... (Below threshold)

Iraq has turned into a Nation Building exercise, something that Candidate Bush was against in 2000. The military objectives of the Liberation of Iraq have been met by the uniformed military. That became excruciatingly clear with the execution of Saddam, by order of an Iraqi Court with the "consent" of the Iraqi People.

If the American people want the US Armed Forces to be able to meet other worldwide security guarantees and to handle other terrorism threats, the uniformed military needs to reset and be refreshed. The discussion/debate in the Army is if "the Army is broken" or "is it close to breaking." It is not a debate if the Army is robust and healthy. As units are refreshed and reset they can then be deployed to other areas of the world to continue the Global War on Terror and yes it is a Global war. The center of gravity in the War on Terror is not in Iraq.

The best thing that can happen to the US Armed Forces is for America to realize that the military objectives have been met and bring them home as Victors which they rightly deserve.

The future of Iraq belongs to the Iraqi People and they will only cherish a future government that they have paid for with their own blood. It took a hundred years (Revolution to Civil War), with countless blood spilled, to create the United States. The same must occur in Iraq. Spilled blood makes one cherish what they have. American blood does not make a strong Iraqi Nation.

Further, the American People need to decide what size of military they are willing to fund. You are looking at the Army that you have bought and can now see it's limitations. Right now the Administration wants to re-interpret policy on mobilizing the Reserve Components. Instead of 24 cumulative months per campaign, they want to have 24 months per order. That means in theory 24 months on, one day off, 24 months on...... This is not acceptable morally or practically but it is the road we are on.

As I said earlier, as a nation we have the unique ability to bring the troops home now as Victors. that opportunity should not be wasted.


I bet my paycheck - when... (Below threshold)
Brian:

I bet my paycheck - when the President calls for Americans to make sacrifices to help end the war, the left will rise as one to scream a big "F**K YOU, CHIMPY!"

If your use of "the left" refers to the 2/3 of the country who oppose the war, they already have.

One last point, special att... (Below threshold)

One last point, special attention should be paid to:

"The speech will reveal a plan to send more US troops to Iraq to focus on ways of bringing greater security, rather than training Iraqi forces."

That is a road map to create continued dependency of the Iraqi people. The Administration is facing an onslaught of resignations/retirements because of this ill sighted policy to move from training to security.

"The Administration is f... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"The Administration is facing an onslaught of resignations/retirements because of this ill sighted policy to move from training to security."

Now we're losing our military leaders, who are resigning in disgust, eh?

Just another example of Republicans making our country safe from terrorists...not.

Escalation of troops in Ira... (Below threshold)
nogo postal:

Escalation of troops in Iraq? WildWillie..I will give you a stat...113 troops killed in the month of December..I don't give a s**t about polls..what I care about are brave men and women serving multiple tours led by a Commander-in-Chief who promises to hold his breath and turn blue...until WE WIN..
I can say with kinda certainty that the illusion of fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here has run it's PR course.

Contact your elected officials and ask them to increase funding not only to the V.A. Hospitals but local agencies that can assist our troops and their families after they return...Bring'em home...NOW

Oh yeah Kyrie...may your hu... (Below threshold)
nogo postal:

Oh yeah Kyrie...may your husband..and those he serves with return healthy and whole...our daughter's husband in the Stryker came home wounded but is now well...she told us Dad, I appreciate your empathy..but you cannot understand." I agree.
Kyrie..I cannot understand what you are going through...but know my empathy is real...

OakLeaf - well said.<... (Below threshold)
Larkin:

OakLeaf - well said.

I've been arguing for sometime that the original objectives of the Iraq campaign have already been accomplished (overthrow of the regime and elimination of the WMD threat).

For some reason, Bush keeps moving the goal post on Iraq. Now he says it is an Iraq that can "defend itself" and is an "ally in the war on terror". How can a regime that is controlled by Shiite extremist parties closely allied to Iran and Hezbollah ever be an ally in the war on terror? Explain that one to me.

Bush doesn't want to withdraw now because he is afraid of how it will "look". So his solution is to keep changing the goals on the military and play out the clock so he can leave office and spend the rest of his life insisting that we would have "won" if we had only stayed the course. If he is serious about "winning" by his definition of victory he should explain exactly how he plans to crush the Mahdi Army and the other Iranian-financed terrorist groups that are terrorizing the Sunni population of Iraq. (Oh and while he's at it he should come up with a plan for defeating Al Qaeda in Iraq and the other Sunni insurgent groups).

Lee-"Just another ... (Below threshold)

Lee-

"Just another example of Republicans making our country safe from terrorists...not."

This is not a Republican or Democrat issue.

This is a question of "Post Saddam Hanging" do we as a Country go on a Nation Building exercise or bring the troops back from Iraq as Victors so they may reset and refresh.

Most Republicans were against Nation Building in the 90s. Many are against it today.

There was a WAPO article today that implied only 12 Republican Senators support a surge.

Larkin-Thank you. ... (Below threshold)

Larkin-

Thank you. I am a "rabid right winger" but I am a soldier first.

We have a unique opportunity right now where both political sides can reach a "healthy agreement" that the military did its job and won.

The Global War on Terror will continue and it is important that US Forces not be worn out defending the Iraqi People from internal threats. I have the utmost confidence that they will "unite" to fight external threats and then they will resume fighting each other.

Basic Tsun Tzu strategizing... (Below threshold)
astigafa:

Basic Tsun Tzu strategizing: When they come out, you go home. When they go home, you come out.

By all means, mount a surge in Baghdad. Recognize that it will be followed by a countersurge after the US leaves.

You will blame the liberals, of course, and the MSM. This, too, is found in Tsun Tzu: No one claims a defeat.

Kim, if you like the idea o... (Below threshold)
aRepukelican:

Kim, if you like the idea of Bush's surge, you and your kids and kin go to Iraq and make the big sacrifice. Stop cheerleading for more Bush fatalities and casualties.

Otherwise, it is way past time to put an end to Bush's murderous and insane war of choice into which he and Cheney lied this country.

But for anyone to deny t... (Below threshold)
Fordrill:

But for anyone to deny the good that has come out of removing a psychopathic dictator is to show oneself a moral cripple in the deepest stages of BDS.


And as for NK or the Sudan - I do think we should intervene. Better to spend our moral capital helping people achieve freedom rather than wait for the child-rapists at the UN to do something.

We have no moral capital left -- and, unlike the descriptions from the chimp in office -- whom you find so mesmerizing -- the UN is not the evil here. Never has been. Proves my point that you are such a gullible fool that you're mouthing verbatim the bush company line.

And, by the way, I'm hardly a moral cripple for pointing out reality. Go ahead. Believe that your government is a moral compass, that your commander-in-chief is an honest and decent man. That's exactly what he expects of you -- to shut up, close your eyes and ears and be as stupid as he thinks you are.

You are no good to him when you're ACTUALLY THINKING FOR YOURSELF.

While I'd like to respect your optimism, cmd, it carries too heavy a cost. And it's not optimism -- it's willfull ignorance that is the reason we're in this mess. Once you get your head out of the sand and stop believing this pathetic, inept liar who holds the high office you'll understand why 3/4's of the country is opposed to him.

Lee, it continues... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:
Lee, it continues to amaze me how you insist on forcing everything you see through your own personal hate funnel. Don't you ever challenge your own thinking? Have you ever once considered that you might be wrong about anything? Have you ever agreed with anything on this site? I've run into pig-headed people before, but you top the charts. You simply amaze me.

The troll doesn't have an original thought to call his own. This is evidenced by the fact Lee has more comments here than either of the 2 commenters that have had the courage to submit a piece to Wizbang Blue (jp2's piece was so very poor it's not worth counting), but hasn't taken up the challenge. How cowardly.

I have too much fun beating... (Below threshold)
Lee:

I have too much fun beating up wimps like you, Mike, to find the time to write a blog post, That would take precious time away from making you immature trolls sit up and bark.

What is the right-wing luna... (Below threshold)
Devil's Advocate:

What is the right-wing lunatic fringe sacrificing? Nothing. They rant and rave from the comfort of their living room. Enlisting? Not for them, Sir. They could get hurt or killed. A war tax? Nope. They want war but they don't want to pay for it. Save energy so that the US is less dependent on oil from the Middle East? Nope. They'd rather drive their gas-guzzling Hummers and line up the pockets of the Saudis so that they can finance some more terrorist training camps.

Let's see if I understand t... (Below threshold)
Assface:

Let's see if I understand the situation here. Recent polls show that about 10% of Americans think sending more troops to Iraq is a good idea. Roughly 49% of the country voted Republican last time. Given that there are more than three times as many people who voted Republican than who think this is a good idea, I have to say, I don't think this is a partisan issue. It's just a REALLY BAD IDEA. It's partisan in the same way that smacking a downed power line with the side of a shovel is partisan. Republican, Democrat, right and left do not enter in to this one. If you think that this is a good idea, you have to understand that you are part of a lunatic fringe of society (this website not included) and that the majority of the country does not want what you want. I know, it probably won't have any bearing on whether or not you get your way, but come on now, it's time to admit that the whole thing was a mistake, and that this guy is a moron.

From a Bob Novak column:</p... (Below threshold)
bobb:

From a Bob Novak column:

"It's Alice in Wonderland," Sen. Chuck Hagel, second-ranking Republican on the Foreign Relations Committee, told me in describing the proposal. "I'm absolutely opposed to sending any more troops to Iraq. It is folly."

I would rather stand should... (Below threshold)
LJD:

I would rather stand shoulder to shoulder with Iraqis fighting for their very existience, than with the dickheads posting here, who no longer have any idea what it means.

Wars are not won by popularity polls. Translation: It doesn't fircken matter WHAT people say. Vote and shut the hell up.

Interesting that those criticizing the Administration for 'Stay the Course' are the same ones now criticizing a change of tactic. Hypocites. Self-defeating, enemy supporting, hypocrites.


Yo's got it right - sacr... (Below threshold)
KC:

Yo's got it right - sacrifice? From the left?

Never. Gonna. Happen.

I bet my paycheck - when the President calls for Americans to make sacrifices to help end the war, the left will rise as one to scream a big "F**K YOU...

Or maybe just: Why don't the elite 101st Fighting Keyboardists of Wizbang just enlist and be done with it? We need you!

Wars are not won by popu... (Below threshold)
KC:

Wars are not won by popularity polls. Translation: It doesn't fircken matter WHAT people say. Vote and shut the hell up.

Wrong. Unpopular wars CAN'T be won, especially when waged by democracy.

But your whole point is moot anyway. Wars without a clear strategy can never be won, and after the regime fell, this war was executed without any semblance of a strategy.

You enlist or STFU.

So what's stopping you LJD ... (Below threshold)
Tim:

So what's stopping you LJD from signing up ?

Interesting that those c... (Below threshold)
KC:

Interesting that those criticizing the Administration for 'Stay the Course' are the same ones now criticizing a change of tactic. Hypocites. Self-defeating, enemy supporting, hypocrites.


Whenever i read one of these right wing blogs, I feel like I've stepped right into the pages of "1984".

I think the term you are looking for to describe the administration's stance here, LJD is "flip-flop".

Doesn't it just amaze you h... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Doesn't it just amaze you how "intellectual" old "pucker puss" (lee lee) tries to make him (or her)self sound. He (or her) wants you to think he (or her) can solve all our world problems with his (or her) statements. Don't you just love it when he (or her) uses the word "immature". This makes him (or her) say to you that I am SOOO much smarter on this blog then anyone else so why to you question anything I say. LOL. The poor SOB couldn't tell you his %ss from a hole in the ground. Well now I guess I need to take that back because if he (or she) looks in a mirror it will show up just under his (or her) nose. Whoops there goes another keyboard from the droll! Keep er coming p'p'. Everyone needs a good laugh at least once a day from your post. (yes I know that I am just a "overmatured" retired toothless old wornout peasant that loves to "get under the skin" of shitheads such as you.) Oh yeah remember now that I am a "troller" (one that trolls after trolls) not a troll.

"Here's this week's episode... (Below threshold)

"Here's this week's episode of.....

Axiomatic Truths Of The Universe Theater:

"Every time a bell rings, an angel gets their wings."

"Every time you masturbate, God kills a kitten."

And, of course, the most immutable, axiomatic TRUTH of them ALL:

Every time George W. Bush utters the word:

"Sacrifice"

another American will

DIE.

Tune in next week for an another episode of.....

Axiomatic Truuuuuths Of The Universe Theater!!!!!!! "

"Everyone needs a good l... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"Everyone needs a good laugh at least once a day from your post."

Thanks, jhow66. Don't forget the meds! Twice a day -- remember!

good boy!

add to that 35% military ap... (Below threshold)
papertiger:

add to that 35% military approval. For every poster here who thinks the surge is the right idea there are no more excuses just action. There is an IED with your name on it now go get it.

Not that it matters to you,... (Below threshold)
LJD:

Not that it matters to you, your twisted view of the world, or your opinion of me (like I care), but I have stepped up, and I am serving MY country (not yours). Hopefully your sick socialist utopia will never exist.

You selfish lazy americans (lower case intended) have no concept of your own survival and will drag all of us down with you- if we let you.

Answer to LJDThe "... (Below threshold)
gil:

Answer to LJD

The "change" in tactic is to trow more troops at the problem??? Hey LTD your Republican party lost control of the House and the Senate because of the way Bush is conducting the war. The message was loud and clear.... Get us the hell out of the mess you started !!!Bush want's to ignore voters and make the mess even bigger, fine.. The GOP will get another "cordial" message from the voters in 2008.

I could care less if the imbecil Bush goes back and ask the same GI's to continue to sacrifice while people like you and him "sacrifice" by sheering them on...I mean your "sacrifice" is impresive indeed. Just mark my words, the Idiot will send the 20,000 troops, more Americans will get killed, NOT A THING will be accomplished, and this time next year he will be asking for more money and troops.

........... And in 2008 you will not have a GOP left. And that is fine with me.

So don't let us "Lefties" stop you from "sacrificing".... I can tell you are sacrificing indeed !! What have you or Bush done for the Soldier volunteers you keep on sending back and keep on asking to sacrifice??? .... OH don't tell me, you wasted 1/2 a pund of saliva "expressing your support"... That most be very hard... We are very impresed!!

Bush and Cheney are a bless... (Below threshold)
Carl Gordon:

Bush and Cheney are a blessing from god upon this great nation! No one has the rite to questun them on anything they due. If your not willing to support Busha nd Chaney in everything they want for america, then go joyn the fashists and be prepared for totul anniulation! Give the president what he wants for total victory over islom and evildours world wide. Now! Otherwise the deomcrats will take our guns and force us tobe atheeists.

Speaking from the Left.... (Below threshold)
Robert:

Speaking from the Left.

Since I see Bush is willing to sacrafice more soldiers for political gain, I'm more than willing to pay more in taxes as my sacrafice.

Just call me "Super-Patriot".

Hey Aesop, what's the moral... (Below threshold)
Robert:

Hey Aesop, what's the moral of this story?

Aesop: Never vote for a moron dry-drunk for President.

Home Page.Funny yo... (Below threshold)
gil:

Home Page.

Funny you mention "Alice in wanderland" ... You know in August '06 did we not tried the same darn thing and the results was failure?? Did we not try it in Fallusha, and against Al-Sadr in the Shiite South and we failed?? You know why? BECAUSE THEY WILL JUST WAIT US OUT, OR MOVE OUT OF OUR WAY.... Do you plan to make Iraq a permament assignment for our voulunteer Army??, do you plan to keep the soldiers in Bagdhad forever?? If not, then Bush's idiotic plan will fail again, because all the Militias have to do is go where we are not, and continue their killing and hit us whenever they darn fill like it. What on hearth makes you think the Militias are going to stay in Bagdhad and fight us??

So now the "change in strategy" is to do it all over again and see if it turns out different?

No offense to you guys, but do you understand when to stop trying a failed strategy or are you poeple just nuts? After all the definition of madness is to repeat the same mistake over and over again expecting a different outcome. Is sad so many people have, and will still die because an idiot that was WARNED this was going to happen in the first place, simply decided (as he is still doing ) he knew better than his Generals, his advisors, the experts in the region, world leaders, the entire world's population, and now 75% of americans.

Is not the polls that count here... Is the fact that stupidity is a lonely place to be.

WILLIAMS: First, NBC New... (Below threshold)
bobb:

WILLIAMS: First, NBC News pentagon correspondent Jim Miklaszewski has learned that President Bush is prepared to announce a strategy of surge and accelerate in Iraq, which would involve some 20,000 additional American troops being sent to Iraq. Jim is with us from the Pentagon with more on this tonight. Jim. Good evening.

MIKLASZEWSKI: Good evening, Brian. Administration officials told us today that President Bush has now all but decided to surge those additional troops into Baghdad to try to control over the violence there and only then could they accelerate the turnover of territory to Iraqi security forces. Fact is they're not up to the task yet. The plan would also throw more U.S. money at Iraq for reconstruction and a jobs program. Interestingly enough, one administration official admitted to us today that this surge option is more of a political decision than a military one because the American people have run out of patience and President Bush is running out of time to achieve some kind of success in Iraq.


And also:

Just weeks ago, CentCom commander Gen. John Abizaid told Congress "I met with every divisional commander, General Casey, the corps commander, General Dempsey, we all talked together. And I said, in your professional opinion, if we were to bring in more American Troops now, does it add considerably to our ability to achieve success in Iraq? And they all said no."

You selfish lazy america... (Below threshold)
KC:

You selfish lazy americans (lower case intended) have no concept of your own survival and will drag all of us down with you- if we let you.


Blogging from Iraq then LJD? Tell us lazy americans - so lazy in fact that the taxes i pay out of every paycheck are financing your pathetic, perpetual war - what exactly it is that you do to protect us.

KC10% of your McDo... (Below threshold)
LJD:

KC

10% of your McDonald's check doesn't do much to fund all of the stupid ass social programs you want in trade for your security.

Yours and the comments like yours from the brainwashed dipshits posting here are ample evidence of your total lack of a grip on reality.

Just keep on marrying your same-sex brothers and sisters and eventually you'll be inbred enough that you're no longer able to rattle away on a keyboard.

Thanks "pucker puss" (lee l... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Thanks "pucker puss" (lee lee). Glad you agree with my take on you. Whoops, there goes another keyboard. Oh yeah as to the medicine, your President's drug plan (part D) pays all of it except for a small co-pay. Thanks for helping to pay for my "medicine".

LJDNow now Mr. LJD... (Below threshold)
gil:

LJD

Now now Mr. LJD you think you are bad because you have a loud mouth on a blog?

I tell you what. If you are an Iraqi... Don't you think is about time your people decide if you want to take control of your country or just kill each other... I am hure you don't need us to become your permanent baby-sitters do you? Is that real enough for you??

As for our security... We have made it for the last 200 + years and we had managed to dominate the world, so don't be so worried for us.... You worriy about you if you are living in Iraq or know some one that is... Because we can't protect you from yourselves, or from the obvious disdain you have at the very Americans that are loosing their lives to give you something your countryman don't want, or by listening to you... Don't diserve.

You comment about Americans lives no doubt as to who the best man is on this little argument... I go for the McDonald's employee any day my friend.... His working out there, tryig to make a living, paying his share of taxes, trying to live in peace... What do you have in Iraq LJD? A nut in a Kalashnikov shooting at Shiite or Sunni just because they happen to be Shiite or Sunni!! man that is just great. And you lecture us about security!!

By the way Mr. LJD working @ McDonallds still will take out money from your paycheck that will go to support Bush's mess... Or as you put it our "security"... I feel so secure just about now knowing that Iraqi nuts are killing each other, Americans, Al-Quaida, Kurds, and looking to kill Iranians, Syrians, Israeli, Saudi, and probably their pet dogs too... I don't think our nation can afford much more of your brand of "security" LJD. Our Army certainly can't.

Finally LJD try and show some class, and education. Don't insult people if you don't agree with them... I know that you are by now looking for your gun but this is America... can't go around shooting people because they are Sunni, or Shiite, or Christians, or Jews, or Black, Brown, or work at McDonald's sorry. That my friend is called SECURITY.... AND IT IS VERY VERY REAL.
Don't believe me try and shoot some one... You'll get a very fast taste of our security and a badly needed doses of a REALITY CHECK FOR YOU.

Yeah, you guys are friggin ... (Below threshold)
LJD:

Yeah, you guys are friggin hilarious.

I am an American Soldier, decended from those that founded this country, and my family members have served honorably in many of its wars since it was started.

Interesting that you would bring up name calling. You don't know me or my politics, but because I disageree on the war, I am a Bushbot, Neocon, Chickenhawk, or whatever. Let me tell you bucko, you don't know jack.

If you had every single Veteran of the Iraq war posting here, you would call THEM names and find some reason to discredit their service. The truth, you see, as is so much made clear here, is that you don't give a damn about Iraq.

You don't care about the troops; You don't care about the money (just that it is not spent on your grand illusions); you don't care about the Iraqi people.

All you nasaty little cusses care about is your political ideology and your nice safe and warm existence here. Keep on smokin your stuff and living your deviant little life style. As long as you don't have to wake the f- up as to what is happeneing in the world.

Oh BTW, did you know that 25 people EVERY DAY are killed in this country by illegal aliens? Lessee, that's roughly three times the number of my brothers in arms killed over the entire Iraq campaign. Right here, in the US, and they're 'innocent civilians' as you dicks like to put it.

Did you know that although some troops are on their second or thrid deployment (many volunteering for the duty) that half of our military has not even set foot in the country?

Like I said, you don't know jack. If you put the crack pipe down long enough to listen to some of our troops (plenty of milblogs out there for your education) and turned off Mama Sheehan for a while, you might actually learn something.

Dumbass. Liberty is not a gift for the tragically stupid.




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