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Bipartisanship is a Thing of the Past

The Democrats promised to work with the GOP in a show of bipartisanship. Yet they are now backing away from that pledge, just like their pledge to deliver a Congress that's more ethical than it was under the Republicans:

But instead of allowing Republicans to fully participate in deliberations, as promised after the Democratic victory in the Nov. 7 midterm elections, Democrats now say they will use House rules to prevent the opposition from offering alternative measures, assuring speedy passage of the bills and allowing their party to trumpet early victories.


Nancy Pelosi, the Californian who will become House speaker, and Steny H. Hoyer of Maryland, who will become majority leader, finalized the strategy over the holiday recess in a flurry of conference calls and meetings with other party leaders. A few Democrats, worried that the party would be criticized for reneging on an important pledge, argued unsuccessfully that they should grant the Republicans greater latitude when the Congress convenes on Thursday.

The episode illustrates the dilemma facing the new party in power. The Democrats must demonstrate that they can break legislative gridlock and govern after 12 years in the minority, while honoring their pledge to make the 110th Congress a civil era in which Democrats and Republicans work together to solve the nation's problems. Yet in attempting to pass laws key to their prospects for winning reelection and expanding their majority, the Democrats may have to resort to some of the same tough tactics Republicans used the past several years.

Democratic leaders say they are torn between giving Republicans a say in legislation and shutting them out to prevent them from derailing Democratic bills.

They're torn? Who does the Washington Post think they're fooling? We're talking about the Democrat leadership here. They are not torn, not even close. They have no problem with steamrolling over the Republicans. Likewise, they will violate any promise, pledge, or rule if it gets in the way of their attaining more power.

More on the "torn" Democrats here:

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This is called politics. Pe... (Below threshold)
Chris G:

This is called politics. People should not waste too much time hand-wringing. The Democrats are doing what the majority power
should do, and that is govern/push their agenda.

The party in power should not leave the president (of the same party) out to dry on issues like Social Security, tax reform, ethics reform, and fighting terrorism, as the Republican congress did. Bush got most of the '04 class elected, and they bailed on him starting with Social Security reform. Someone please tell the Republicans not to start bitchin' about lack of opportunities in a Dem controlled congress, when they could not close the deal beforehand.

Besides, I say don't co-pilot the plane. Get in the back as a passenger and enjoy the ride. If something goes wrong, and it usually does, the Dems will have sole accountability as they have demanded. If they do well, it means the Republicans will have to get off of their back-sides and deliver a better platform to the American public.

Elections have consequences... (Below threshold)
sam:

Elections have consequences.

So your saying that ther... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

So your saying that there should have been nothing on the floor to vote for right? Bolton should have just been the job and the whining and crying democrats should have just shut up , not obstructed and not denied him a vote?

"the Dems will have sole accountability as they have demanded."

What a bunch of crap! The incompetant failures of a Democrat Mayor and Governor in a majority democrat state fell all over themselves blaming President Bush for Katrina.


"If they do well"

Like after Bagdad was taken and the Democrats were in full panic mode and their political careers going down the toilet? Thus was born the democrats emergency plan for survival, "Blame Bush". The most shameless lie of the 21 Century, "Bush lied , people died". It's pathetic that the only thing the democrats had to offer were more lies and fraud to get them the Majority. Ever heard of their motto... "SAY ANYTHING" , "DO WHATEVER IT TAKES"?

Care for some cheese with y... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Care for some cheese with your whine, Republicans?

You reap what you sow, and the Republicans in D.C. have sown a lot worse than what they'll get in return. Immature babies that they are, they will still cry.

Let the American public see the Republicans whine about fairness for a while - give us all a big laugh!

Who has any doubt that the ... (Below threshold)
Larkin:

Who has any doubt that the Republicans would do nothing but obstruct and pick apart the Democratic agenda in the new Congress?

If the Dems stop the practice of earmarking and open-ended voting times then that is enough for me.

Hey, if Bush could claim 51... (Below threshold)
Herman:

Hey, if Bush could claim 51% as some sort of mandate from the American people, then the Democrats can certainly claim 54 percent (54 percent of all House races won!) as a mandate from the American people demanding change.

As Lee said, conservatives, you reap what you sow.

In what has to be the bigge... (Below threshold)
Hugh:

In what has to be the biggest set of brass ball hypocrisy in quite a while these whiners from the House want a Bill of Rights for Republicans.

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/002257.php

It's hard for me to be struck wordless but this comes close.

P.S. This was from another thread.


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Pull a page from the Republ... (Below threshold)
Robert:

Pull a page from the Republican handbook.
Shake their hands, look them in the eye, tell them you believe you can work together..and then beat them over the head with that mallet you have in your other hand.

While you're at it, if you are to screw-up to the tune of say- having 3000 Americans die on your watch--tell them finger-pointing is not the answer.

Anybody on this page think that if Gore was in power on 9/11 that he wouldn't have been impeached? Do you think they would have hung the 3k dead around his neck during his re-election campaign?

If you answered "No", you either aren't paying ANY attention, or your a liar.

And Rob in CA,
Sit down. Bush is letting soldiers die, because to do the right thing isn't politically expedient for him.

It's time for the GOP to bo... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

It's time for the GOP to bottleneck everything. Filibuster every single bill, have Bush veto every single bill until this stops.

Constantly harp on the ethical problems of the Dem leadership.

Tar the entire lot of them. Smear them relentlessly.

It's time the GOP stops playing nice. Bush made the mistake of letting the Dems help with legislation and we got No Child Left Behind.

It's now time for the GOP to not allow a single bill to pass.
-=Mike

The House was never meant t... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

The House was never meant to be controlled by a Party. The Founders were familiar with the binary control of the Parliamentary system and took no steps to encourage that. The trappings of Party control were added long after.

Its threads like this that make me wish Parties were banned.

But then Lee wouldn't know what to do.

KimIf the Democrat... (Below threshold)
aRepukelican:

Kim

If the Democratic Congress uses the same partisan tactics innaugarated by the partisan GOP in their '94 revolution, I'd say that the Democrats have finally made the procees bipartisan. What was good for mthe goose is good for the gander.

Quit the phoney whine. The Republicans would otherwise use their tactics to deny the country an improved minimum wage, expanded health care, medicare drug reform etc.

Right-wing comedy gold:... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Right-wing comedy gold:

Bipartisanship is a Thing of the Past

It's time the GOP stops playing nice.

The House was never meant to be controlled by a Party.

Ah, how we will miss those nice, bipartisan days of Tom Delay, Trent Lott, and Bill Frist.

Gosh, Kim... That's sooooo... (Below threshold)
John:

Gosh, Kim... That's soooooo sad.

Republicans have been doing exactly that for a decade.

You've completly shut the loyal opposition out of any part of the law making process, except the part where they get steamrollered during the vote.

You guys INVENTED this stategy.

You want to bitch now?

Dems are the evil of the wo... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

Dems are the evil of the world. The sooner we silence them through filibustering, the better our lives will be.

They are responsible for our plight in Iraq. They are the reason our President had to lie. They are the catalyst for which the lives of many Americans were lost.

We are better under our current President. He is a principled, honest man with knowledge only a chosen few can understand. He will lead us to the promised land of peace and prosperity. He is my hero and I pledge my life to this great man.

Those who oppose this great man deserve to be confined to the putrid, feces-laden gallows of permanent purgatory. Only the chosen know how pure and perfect this war is. We will be the victors while all you others wallow in your own cowardly filth.

I am oedipus.

Exit Polls from November</p... (Below threshold)
civil behavior:

Exit Polls from November

Whites 51% Dems 46% Rep

Blacks 82% Dems 10% Rep

Hispanics 86% Dem 7% Rep

Asians 55% Dems 30% Rep

The rest 78% Dems 14% Rep

Me thinks the good old boys club will go the way of VHS tapes and Dems will continue to win elections for a long time to come.

Ah, how we will mi... (Below threshold)
Ah, how we will miss those nice, bipartisan days of Tom Delay, Trent Lott, and Bill Frist.

I'll agree that Delay was extremely good at making life miserable for Democrats, but Trent Lott? Good grief man, that hapless turkey was knocked out by one punch. The rest of the GOP senate took away his leadership position and sent him to sit in the corner after making that stupid remark at that Strom Thurmond affair. If the GOP Senate was as rabid as you seem to think, he never would have resigned. He would have said "screw you" and made a joke about Hillary Clinton's ankles.

And Bill "Milquetoast" Frist? You gotta be kidding.

The entire GOP senate is a f'n joke, as far as I'm concerned. Even with their 56-seat majority, they couldn't manage to get a number of Bush's judicial appointments past the Democrats' obstruction tactics, which, incidentally the Democrat party invented (cf. Robert Bork).

If the Democrats think that non-entities like Bill Frist are partisan attack dogs, they really must be a bunch of wussies.

It is hillarious how all th... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

It is hillarious how all the left wingies go around pounding their chest shouting-WE WON,WE WON. Now we get to see what they do with it. Lets see now 1st there was the deal with "Jackie Murtha"-then "Alec Hastings"-then "Cold Cash Jefferson"-then "Dingy Harry" (the ethical man with 3 sons that get paid to lobby their own dad)-on and on and....... Then we have 100 hours to drain the "swamp". (Hope they get all the schools buses started in time.) Then the ethic laws are next (better hurry before the "ice" melts for old "cold cash") Then next is the earmarks-sure they will. Then next is the bill to make bridges wider. Then next is a bill that makes all face lifts free-(west coast only). Then next is to cut funds for the arm forces-now don't gets us wrong, we support our troops. Wait, Wait, Wait, Bush ain't gone yet. Can you say VETO?

MikeSCHilarious! E... (Below threshold)
groucho:

MikeSC

Hilarious! Excellent post. Love the satire. I think you've got ol'jhow topped this time!

Now we get to see what t... (Below threshold)

Now we get to see what they do with it.

"Cold Cash" Jefferson is still in.

Chuck "black bag tricks" Schumer is still in.

Conyers ethics issues swept under the rug.

So far so good...

I thought Bush was supposed... (Below threshold)

I thought Bush was supposed to work to be a "uniter" not a "divider". They bitched about it for years when the GOP did it, but now that the Dems are doing it it's suddenly OK.

Really, people, both sides have done it eery chane they could get. It's called politics.

I will stop by the Office D... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

I will stop by the Office Depot tomorrow and mail President Bush a case of 'Veto' pens.

Sometimes the dem's forget they can't override a veto. The only thing they can override is a bridge (Kennedy) and a cop car (Kennedy). The dhimmi's are only dangerous on the roads of America. The will most likely get a few million Americans killed by their friends the terrorists, but their governing style will only result in continuing the type destruction of the 90's.

They do have class, putting a known criminal in almost every chairman position. Wonder if they can have Algore hype Worldcom again so millions will lose their life savings, or is he too busy burning up the world? Maybe cold cash can show them how to store the money. They can't get Ken Lay to sleep with Hellary anymore, he died. Hey, so did her other lover, the one on the park bench with the gunshot wound and no blood around. She's one deadly bi**h. Old Osama Hussein Obama better watch his back.

for all those idiots who cl... (Below threshold)
ke_future:

for all those idiots who claim that the republicans started all of this, take a look at what the democratic party controlled house was like for the 40 years before '94. partisan politics started the moment parties organized.

what i think kim is 'complaining' about is that the democrats campaigned specifically on changing the tome of congress and not doing to the republicans what were done to them. and yet they break that central campaign promise before they are even sworn in and take control.

hypocrits, thy name is politician

SamYour correct wh... (Below threshold)
ordi:

Sam

Your correct when you said: Elections have consequences.

However, you forgot a promise is a promise. San Fran Nan Pelosi made the promise and is now breaking said promise.

This is a Neener neener nee... (Below threshold)
Darby:

This is a Neener neener neeeeener moment for the democrats that are now in power. Let them do their thing. '08 is just around the corner.

Ordi:So what? Let... (Below threshold)
sam:

Ordi:

So what? Let the voters decide to punish Pelosi if they want. Dems won the elections, they will do what they want to do.

If the Reps wnat to have a say in legislation, let them win elections.

Back when the Reps were in ... (Below threshold)
A:

Back when the Reps were in control all we heard was the whining and gnashing of teeth of the liberals. Now that the Dems are in control, the libs here are crowing with glee- loving how their party has already broken their word on working WITH their Rep. counterparts. Just goes to show it's really NOT about what's best for this country. What a shame. I must have been insane to actually think Pelosi and the Dems would keep their word and actually try working together with people. Now I see my feeling of dread and despair I felt after the elections was right on.

WHAT!? Broken campaign pro... (Below threshold)

WHAT!? Broken campaign promises? Say it ain't so!

What kills me is their plan to cut interest rates on student loans. Hmmm. Would this be the same Republican plan to do so in '01 that the Dems blocked? That the Republicans tried to bring back in '02 and the Dems just let it sit and rot on the house floor? Friggin' hypocrites.

Tightening ethics rules for lawmakers? Ha! And "allowing more research on stem cells"? Ha, again. Wording is everything I guess.

Welcome the same old democrats back. Be prepared for more of the same. These people are dangerous to our economic freedoms. Start dealing in as much cash as possible. Because if you don't, they're gonna get their grubby little hands all over it.

Kim, Dick Armey said it bes... (Below threshold)
cmd:

Kim, Dick Armey said it best - bipartisanship is date rape.

I'm embarrassed by the GOPs whining. When you're in charge, you should destroy the opposition. I expect the Democrats to play hardball now, and, were I in charge of the GOP side, would be sharpening my knives to jam into the treasonous bastards' backs at every opportunity.

On this note, I have to say that one of the things I learned about President Ford over the past weekend was that, when he was told Nixon was resigning, he made two calls: the first to Betty, and the second to. . .Tip O'Neill!

That disgusted me, especially as O'Neill was described as being Ford's friend. Friend? That filthy, fat slob? That tax-raising, corrupt moral sewer? The man who called President Reagan "the evil in the White House" ? That O'Neill? Ford considered that jackhole a friend? As far as I'm concerned, no Republican should ever talk to a Democrat in Washington except to Cheney them. Any Republican who believes they have a Democrat friend is either a liar, a gullible moron or a collaborator. In any case, they should be thrown out of the party. First rule of war: don't cooperate with the enemy!

Oyster laid a pearl: "Wo... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Oyster laid a pearl: "Would this be the same Republican plan to do so in '01 that the Dems blocked? That the Republicans tried to bring back in '02 and the Dems just let it sit and rot on the house floor? Friggin' hypocrites."

I don't know the specifics of the efforts you describe, but if the Democrats opposed a Republican effort to pass a reduction in the student loan interest rate it was probably because the corrupt Republicans had some pork barrel waste or tax cut for the ubber-rich tied to it. We've seen that crap from the Republicans for many years now.

It allows people like Oyster to feign outrage over a lie. The Republicans have honed lying and deceit to a fine art over the last 14 years, and listen to them whine because its ending.

Silly piggies, haven't you had enough?

"First rule of war: don't cooperate with the enemy!"

Thanks, Oyster, I'll take that advice, and advise other Democrats to do the same.

"I don't know the specifics... (Below threshold)
USMC Pilot:

"I don't know the specifics of the efforts you describe, but if the Democrats opposed a Republican effort to pass a reduction in the student loan interest rate it was probably because the corrupt Republicans had some pork barrel waste or tax cut for the ubber-rich tied to it."

That's your problem, Lee, your frequently commenting about things you know nothing about.

Actually, Lee, it was becau... (Below threshold)

Actually, Lee, it was because the Democrats wanted vote on some other bill at the same time that was totally unrelated so they pulled their support. So if you want to continue to rant about "corrupt Republicans", then by all means have at it, but don't forget, they have ample company on the other side of the aisle.

I'm so tired of hearing about corrupt Republicans from the left and so little of the same disparagement of corrupt Democrats. Can't we agree that the problem crosses party lines quite well?

Furthermore, Lee, I didn't ... (Below threshold)

Furthermore, Lee, I didn't say "First rule of war: don't cooperate with the enemy!"

Silly piggie indeed. Cut the ad hominems and maybe someone will take you more seriously.

"Can't we agree that the... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"Can't we agree that the problem crosses party lines quite well?"

Nope, I never cooperate with the enemy, Oyster. I learned that from a very wise mollusk.

Suck it up, you whining wimps. Dems are in control of Congress and marching on the White House. You have at least six years, and probably a lot more, of sucking it up and having your *sses kicked by us progressive, latte-sipping liberals.

Lee: "You have at least... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

Lee: "You have at least six years, and probably a lot more, of sucking it up and having your *sses kicked by us [regressive], latte-sipping [socialists]"

It's not the "sucking it up" that worries me, it's the oppressive tax increases on the poor and middleclass, massive increases in the number of welfare recipients, lawyers continuing to make fortunes off everyone else's backs, acceleration of the decline of the public school system, destruction of the medical system, the idle rich getting richer, productivity being punished and unproductively being rewarded and encouraged.

Yes all those things of which the Democrats[sic] have a well established history, that's what worries me.

Oh, and of course losing th... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

Oh, and of course losing the war. Can't believe I fogot that one.

Tar the entire lot... (Below threshold)
jpe:
Tar the entire lot of them. Smear them relentlessly.

Well, that'd certainly be a change of pace for the GOP.

*rolls eyes*

re: the instant issue: the Republicans have already had a chance to debate all of the bills slated to pass in the first 100 hours. When new business comes up, the GOP will be allowed to participate.

Lee, I told you I was no... (Below threshold)

Lee, I told you I was not the one who said, "First rule of war: don't cooperate with the enemy!" You're being incredibly obtuse.

So, what of your assessment that the student loan bill being blocked "was probably because the corrupt Republicans had some pork barrel waste or tax cut for the ubber-rich tied to it," since that was not the case at all? Or is this the usual "dodge the issue" tactic you use so, shall we say, liberally? Much more fun to say Suck it up, little piggies as you gleefully peck away at your keyboard, oblivious to what I said, eh? You're acting childishly, Lee.

San Fran Nan Pelos... (Below threshold)
jpe:
San Fran Nan Pelosi made the promise and is now breaking said promise.

She never said Republicans would get input on everything. At any rate, relax; there will be plenty of opportunities for the Republicans to propose slashing funds for body armor and cutting veterans' benefits.

"So, what of your assess... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"So, what of your assessment that the student loan bill being blocked "was probably because the corrupt Republicans had some pork barrel waste or tax cut for the ubber-rich tied to it," since that was not the case at all?"

That was not the case? I'd like to believe you, Oyster -- Show me a link where you find that info, please.

And my apologies for attributing cmd's quote to you. You trolls all look alike (Jay Tea taught me that line).

"having your *sses kick... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

"having your *sses kicked by us"

Listen to the pussies talk like tuffies. Why don't you scared little whimps come out of your mommies basement more often. Only to increase the odds you will be the next victim of your fellow criminal party members in a drive by or robbery due to a pussified liberal judge not imposing the maximum sentence.

Funny the only thing that comes to mind about the last 6 years was nonstop crying , lying to the point of tears by the democrat criminal frauds. Hey Lee, you and your fellow dirtbags are proud of the fact that you can deceive and lie with a straight face , steal candy from babies and knock down old ladies and raid their purses. I laugh at you pathetic frauds who must live a lie to hide the fact that you are forever miserable. You can't even fool yourselfs , that is why you are here. You can't stand the fact that you are the lowest most disgusting of mankind. However , so long as it buys you a win and puts you in power your ok with it. You would like to forget how you and your crimies threw daily tantrums pounding the ground on all fours wouldn't you?

I know Bush wanted to raise... (Below threshold)
jpe:

I know Bush wanted to raise rates; I haven't been able to find anything on failed congressional action, although a bill passed in 2002 to prevent a raise.

Act childishly, get called ... (Below threshold)

Act childishly, get called on it and respond with more chidlishness. Oh well. At least I got you to acknowledge the issue.

Actually, I was incorrect that it died on the floor in '02 though. I'm happy to find I was wrong on that one.

S. 1762 has been through both sessions of the 107th Congress. Last session, it was passed unanimously by the Senate on December 14, 2001. However, when it was brought to a House vote on December 20, it failed to receive the two-thirds majority it needed to pass -- its failure attributed to partisan issues unrelated to the bill. When S. 1762 was reintroduced in the second session--on January 24, 2002--the House overwhelmingly approved it in a vote of 372-3. The bill then went to the President.

I wonder what made them change their minds. What I find interesting is that they are now saying they're going to pass legislation to lower interest rates for school loans with no acknowledgement whatsoever that they were responsible for holding up the first one over unrelated issues. This was a totally bi-partisan issue and the Democrats turned it into something else altogether. Caring about our children's future (that oft repeated mantra) does not mean they are to be used as bargaining chips.

This is what I mean, Lee. The fact that corruption and petty bickering is not unique to Republicans. Deny it all you will. It only makes you look just as blinded and just as willing to succumb to petty bickering and name calling.

I'll bet House Republicans ... (Below threshold)
jpe:

I'll bet House Republicans opposed the measure per Bush's request.

Nice of you to dig up the f... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Nice of you to dig up the facts, and admit that you were wrong, Oyster. Gee, partisan issues got in the way for awhile - that's a big surprise, isn't it? Isn't that exactly what I said? That the Dems blocked it because of some shenanigans on the part of Republicans, and once the shenanigans were straightened out the Dems supported the move.

Who was right, Oyster - you or me?

What was the partisan issue that got in the way? I still suspect it was some *sshat Republican effort to line the pockets of the rich some more, while screwing the American public.

"This is what I mean, Lee. The fact that corruption and petty bickering is not unique to Republicans. Deny it all you will. It only makes you look just as blinded and just as willing to succumb to petty bickering and name calling."

Never said it was... never said that there aren't bad Dems too, -- but the Republicans have honed corruption to a fine art, and the Democrats have pledged to reign it back -- and that seems to upset you Republicans greatly. The fact that for the next two years the lying, cheating art of Congressional corruption that has run rampant under Republican leadership is getting worked over has the Malkintents (tm) squealing loudly.

Its funny to hear the whining now that things are getting better. Listen to the little piggies squeal with pain.

Let's agree to revisit this in two years, and see if the Dems made things better or worse in this regard, Oyster. Deal? The Republicans had 14 years to clean things up, and they didn't. Let's see what happens under Democratic control... Quit compaining about things that haen't even happened yet. The Democrats are still unpacking their bags, and the Malkintents (tm) are salivating up a storm...

"What was the partisan issu... (Below threshold)
Reality:

"What was the partisan issue that got in the way? I still suspect it was some *sshat Republican effort to line the pockets of the rich some more, while screwing the American public."


Close. The Democrats opposed because Republicans refused to bring a bill for a vote that would forgive student loans for the spouses of 9/11 victims. Nice.

Way to support the 9/11 victims cons.

Come on reality - you're ki... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Come on reality - you're kidding right?

Oyster - what do conservative mollusks have to say about this?

I'm not kidding- found a li... (Below threshold)
Reality:

I'm not kidding- found a link to Congressional Quarterly where it mentioned it but I looked it up through a commercial database so it won't work here.

It's time for the ... (Below threshold)
Larkin:
It's time for the GOP to bottleneck everything. Filibuster every single bill, have Bush veto every single bill until this stops.

Hopefully, the Dems will immediately trigger the "nuclear option" the first time the Reps try to filibuster anything. I'm sure the majority of Wizbangers would agree that the filibuster needs to go (or at least you did until the November elections).

"I will stop by the Offi... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"I will stop by the Office Depot tomorrow and mail President Bush a case of 'Veto' pens."

Make sure you include instructions, Scrappy -- something like "The ink sides goes on the paper, Mr. President, not in your mouth."

Don't waste your money on v... (Below threshold)
Reality:

Don't waste your money on veto pens: Halliburton just got a no bid contract for $46 million per 100.

Seriously, Kim, can we plea... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

Seriously, Kim, can we please ban people who pretend to be other people? The MikeSC of 1/2/07 at 10:04PM was not me and it's getting beyond irritating that the few times I post here, this seems to happen. Do these morons not have a point to make without falsely attributing comments to others?

Hopefully, the Dems will immediately trigger the "nuclear option" the first time the Reps try to filibuster anything. I'm sure the majority of Wizbangers would agree that the filibuster needs to go (or at least you did until the November elections).

Seeing as how the GOP never supported ending the filibuster for legislation, it'd be the norm for the Dems to alter the rules. They've changed filibuster rules in the past.
-=Mike

Sorry my connection went do... (Below threshold)

Sorry my connection went down from bad weather. I'm back up.

Student loan relief for the spouses of 9/11 victims (meaning those who were first responders - firemen, police, etc) was introduced to the House in Oct 2001 as HR-3163 as a stand-alone bill and was referred to the House Committee on Education and the Workforce. It was introduced to the Senate as S-1653 in Nov 2001 and was referred to the Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions.

Student loan relief had already been granted to the victims themselves almost right away so their spouses or children were not saddled with that debt.

It wasn't introduced again until 2005. It passed in 2006 (HR 1523) attached to the renewel of the Higher Education Act of 1965 (Which comes up for review periodically).

Lee was not "close". It had nothing to do with lining rich people's pockets. Let's not get into that. Both sides are lining their pockets and those of their friend's and family's.

I love how Lee immediately asked me for links, but quickly accepted Reality's commentary without supporting documentation.

Here's a few questions for you:
How much are we to give the families of 9/11 victims? How much is enough? Especially when people are victims of crime all the time. This was just "feel good legislation" designed to make others feel guilty for not being sensitive to 9/11 families. Hence, "Reality's" comment, "Way to support the 9/11 victims cons." They were supported to the tune of half a billion dollars in charitable, private contributions by all manner of people.

Why should the Democrats be justified in holding up legislation to help far more people with student loans by using this as a bargaining chip?

Do we know that Republicans were the only ones guilty of partisanship? Obviously, they were not.

Did you know that the House Committee on Education and the Workforce was boycotted altogether earlier in the year by Democrats over completely different issues stalling all sorts of debate? Another common tactic used by both sides.

Listen to the pussies ta... (Below threshold)
frizzy:

Listen to the pussies talk like tuffies. Why don't you scared little whimps come out of your mommies basement more often. Only to increase the odds you will be the next victim of your fellow criminal party members in a drive by or robbery due to a pussified liberal judge not imposing the maximum sentence.

The only scared little pussies posting on this site are the frightened little babies who hide behind the Chimp In Chief for protection when he tries to scare you with his orange alerts.

The new congress was, fortunately, elected by a majority of people who aren't as frightened as you scared little losers and realize that their own freedoms and rights shouldn't be compromised to alleviate an over inflated fear. (That's right. Over inflated. The terrorists aren't sitting in MY backyard waiting to attack me today as the fear mongers in the white house would have you believe).

"I love how Lee immediat... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"I love how Lee immediately asked me for links, but quickly accepted Reality's commentary without supporting documentation."

Asking you for links, Oyster, brought out the fact that you were incorrect. I asked reality if he was serious (another way of asking him to back up his claim) and he explained that the couldn't provide a link. I then spent about 20 minutes researching reality's claim on my own, actually signing up for a membership at a website to gain access to information, but all I found was the same info you posted, without reference to the specific "partisan issue". Contrary to your claim, I didn't blindly accept anything.

If you want to gain credibility quit the ad hominem attacks against liberals, and stick to the facts and as you know them, and you won't find yourself having to explain away your lies as often. I know that conservative bloggers and commenters are accustomed to saying whatever pops into their mind and having their echo chamber audience grunt in agreement, but since I'm called for my sources often, and can usually provide a link - I expect the same. In your case, it showed that I was right and you were wrong. Sorry it worked out that way, but admitting you were wrong is the correct response. I get caught in that position myself at times. No one is keeping score.

"Why should the Democrats be justified in holding up legislation to help far more people with student loans by using this as a bargaining chip?"

My guess is that the timing of the bill, and of tax years, allowed the stalling tactic without impacting the target constituency, but that's just a guess. I'm bored with this issue, and not interested in researching that aspect of the issue, but feel free if it interests you. Just remember, reality has a definite left-leaning bias. That's not just a funny line, it's the truth in my experience as well.

It's also been my experience that conservatives are adept at smearing, and when you peak under the hood you find that a lot of their smear campaigns are based on mythology. That whole "reality" thing at work again...

Keep the barnacle side up, Oyster, or down - not sure which is right, but stay well.

You know Lee, I think Oyste... (Below threshold)
Reality:

You know Lee, I think Oyster KNEW why the bill was held up, but he refused to include this information because he knew it would prove that the Democrats were justified in holding up the bill. That's how dishonest they are.




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