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Jamil Hussein To Be Arrested?

Jamil Hussein just might exist, after all, but it appears that he is being arrested. I wonder if we will now learn just how many of those stories he fed the AP were real. I think we still have a long way to go before we know the full story on this one. Stay tuned.

The AP reports:

The Interior Ministry acknowledged Thursday that an Iraqi police officer whose existence had been denied by the Iraqis and the U.S. military is in fact an active member of the force, and said he now faces arrest for speaking to the media.

Ministry spokesman Brig. Abdul-Karim Khalaf, who had previously denied there was any such police employee as Capt. Jamil Hussein, said in an interview that Hussein is an officer assigned to the Khadra police station, as had been reported by The Associated Press.

The captain, whose full name is Jamil Gholaiem Hussein, was one of the sources for an AP story in late November about the burning and shooting of six people during a sectarian attack at a Sunni mosque.

The U.S. military and the Iraqi Interior Ministry raised the doubts about Hussein in questioning the veracity of the AP's initial reporting on the incident, and the Iraqi ministry suggested that many news organization were giving a distorted, exaggerated picture of the conflict in Iraq. Some Internet bloggers spread and amplified these doubts, accusing the AP of having made up Hussein's identity in order to disseminate false news about the war.

Khalaf offered no explanation Thursday for why the ministry had initially denied Hussein's existence, other than to state that its first search of records failed to turn up his full name. He also declined to say how long the ministry had known of its error and why it had made no attempt in the past six weeks to correct the public record.

Hat tip to Lucianne.

Update: Curt has posted his response to this latest development, as well as a reminder of earlier reports, at Flopping Aces.

Update II: Karl has an excellently sourced post at Protein Wisdom on this story, with an update from Jeff Goldstein about liberal reaction. I don't have any posts to cite for him, but saw much of the same in the comments to this thread.

Update III: Bob Owens explains that existence is not synonymous with credibility. It is sad that he would have to explain such a thing, but that is the way things are these days in these "fake, but accurate" times.


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Well, well well. How intere... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Well, well well. How interesting.

The AP was telling the truth. The right-wing blogosphere got it wrong? Is Lorie ready to issue a correction?

"I think we still have a long way to go before we know the full story on this one. Stay tuned."

Doesn't look she is at this point. We'll see how long it takes.

Source of this story 'Assoc... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

Source of this story 'Associated (with terrorists) Press.

Someone other than the AP has to interview this guy if they ever come up with him. Michele will be over there in a few days. Bring him on.

Lee, I'm so glad that you'r... (Below threshold)

Lee, I'm so glad that you're pleased the AP was "telling the truth".

Most of Jamil's storys seem to have been fake. But now that someone has found the guy, it's all OK! AP's credibility has been restored.

NOT.

Lorie,Nice attempt... (Below threshold)
John:

Lorie,

Nice attempt to spin a story which Wizbang got totaly wrong.

Gee, it was just the other day when "everybody" was on the bandwagon, saying how much they don't trust the AP, or the MSM, and how smart they were for getting all their news elsewhere.

And the "fake" Jamil person PROVED the corruption of the entire industry! Even poor ScrapIron got himself all worked up, and even now he still doesn't get it.

I've said it before... Outlets like AP stake their reputation on their accuracy. They have no compelling interest in being caught with false stories, and they have policies in place to verify facts, police their reporter pool, and vet their stories. Something the blogosphere does not have.

And from the folks that got ScrapIrons panties in a bunch for the last 6 weeks, all they have to say is....

"Khalaf offered no explanation Thursday for why the ministry had initially denied Hussein's existence, other than to state that its first search of records failed to turn up his full name. He also declined to say how long the ministry had known of its error and why it had made no attempt in the past six weeks to correct the public record."


Good job on the "investigative reporting" on this story, everybody... Don't quit your day jobs.

Conservatives are crapping ... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Conservatives are crapping their pants all over the blogosphere on this. This *sshat, for example:

But let me be the first to say to the Left, before they lose themselves in glee, I don't see that bloggers have anything to apologize for, nor do I see this story being at an end. The ultimate question is what happened in Hurriya the day six Sunnis were claimed to have been burned alive?

Did it happen? Is Shi'ite domination of one or more ministries trying to cover up violence by Shi'ite factions? Or is Hussein unreliable as a source?

If the story ends up being an expose' on a troubling Shi'ite dominated Iraqi regime, as opposed to the AP being light on sourcing, so be it. Like most bloggers following this story, all I have ever wanted is the truth.

Bull Shit.

All this has been from the very start is an orchestrated smear campaign to further discredit the mainstream media. It worked, even had me believing it.

After questions were raised about Jamil's existence AP went back and got several more witnesses to back up the facts AP attributed to Jami in the story in question. This has never been about the truth about what happened, this has been about nailing the AP for using a source right-wing bloggers claimed didn't exist... but the right-wing blogosphere isn't honest enough to admit that, and to admit that they were wrong, so far at least.

Amazing.

and Reality has a left-leaning bias, AGAIN. Huzzah!

I would think the Iraqi gov... (Below threshold)

I would think the Iraqi government would be VERY unhappy with this guy if he's making up stories (like people being burned alive outside mosques, for example) and feeding them to the international media. Such actions would have two goals: feeding the external media demand for more harrowing stories on Iraqi sectarian atrocities (helping the Euro-Democratic defeatist caucus), and also stoking rage domestically to stoke actual reprisals. Actual bombings are best from the terrorists' perspective, of course, but if that's too hard to do on a regular schedule, a few graphic false reports of violence here and there would do nicely.

Think about it. A few well-placed "sources" could easily feed stories to Al-Jazeera, AP, Reuters, AFP, Al-Arabiya, etc. (25 found dead here, 32 decapitated there, etc.) and create an impression of wider chaos than actually exists, since we know media sources rarely do much ground-checking on these stories. The illustrations would come from video from Baghdad. All the terrorists have to do is make sure something "photogenic" (in a green-helmet-guy way) happens in Baghdad regularly, along with constant reports of attacks elsewhere, unverifiable but nonetheless reported as gospel truth by the media. Combine that with the well-known "drama-queen" factor in the Arab world, where one guy fainting at a rally can easily lead to reports that ten people were shot by police before one day has passed, and the potential for wildly misleading stories is huge. (Troops have returned reporting on that phenomenon; "200 rioters" is usually 20 when they see it themselves, for instance.)

It will be interesting to see what AP has to say should this guy prove to have either embellished stories or simply made stuff up.

Lorie Byrd can't even bring... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Lorie Byrd can't even bring herself to admit that he indeed does exist, a fact that has now been verified by the Iraqi Ministry of Information. In the very same blog post where she quotes they've confirmed his existence, and that he is a police officer exactly as the AP said, Lorie spins it this way... (emphasis mine)

"Jamil Hussein just might exist, after all, but it appears...

What do you mean he just might exist? He DOES exist, that's now been confirmed.

Lorie apparently can't bring herself to tell the truth because it just hurts too much -- and that is the amazing hypocrisy that surrounds so much of the right wing blogosphere.

On a story where these bloggers claimed the AP was wrong and can't be trusted, they can't even set their biases aside long enough to write a simple declarative sentence that tells the truth, without couching it and surrounding it a mist and fog of doubt... he "might" exist???? He does exist, he's a police officer, and was used as a source just as the AP said.

Does this mean Michelle Mal... (Below threshold)
drlava:

Does this mean Michelle Malkin isn't going to get killed??

Over 100 real jounalists have been killed in Iraq.

Life is so unfair.

Why did the Iraqi Ministry ... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Why did the Iraqi Ministry of Information lie about Jamil's existence, and as the search for Jamil was intensifying, suddenly they find him just in time to lock him up?

What are they hiding from the American people? What do the NOT want us to know?

Conservatives, who claim they are interested in the truth, should be demanding Jamil's freedom so we can find out the truth. Are we going to rely upon the Iraqi Ministry of Information to relay the truth? They lied for six weeks about his very existence!

should be demanding Jam... (Below threshold)

should be demanding Jamil's freedom so we can find out the truth.

If he's seeding false stories into the media to stir up fighting, he deserves to see the inside of the cell.

The only safe assuption right now is that we don't have all the facts. We do know that the fellow apparently exists, but that the AP could not produce him when asked nor the Min. of Information find him for weeks, or did not wish to reveal his existence. If the latter, there could be any number of explanations, from an investigation by the ministry to acertain what the hell was going on before saying something definitive to something more nefarious (Lee's first guess).

Let the facts play out. It should be interesting, no matter the result.

I just want to make it clea... (Below threshold)
epador:

I just want to make it clear that I was for him before I was against him, and now its me that doesn't exist and not him. All my posts have been fabrications of wingnut conspirators. Including this one.

Sure, epador, but did you o... (Below threshold)

Sure, epador, but did you offend yourself in the process?

It's predictable that there... (Below threshold)

It's predictable that there's a lot of entertaining hyperventilating on display by the lefty trolls around here, when the main crux of the story is where are the supposed burned bodies and blown up buildings reported by this guy? And why did it take 6 weeks to produce the name?

Those are the original questions that led to this revelation.

JohnAnnArbor makes a great point; there are too many unanswered questions right now. This is just the tip of the iceberg.

The AP didn't produce him? ... (Below threshold)
Lee:

The AP didn't produce him? The AP didn't control him. The AP turned a blind eye towards the asshat rightwing blogosphere -- and this proves they were right in doing so!

The Iraqi Ministry of information DID have control have control, KNEW the truth, and LIED. Do any rightwing bloggers care? Apparently not, judging from the links Lorie's provided -- they could care less that the Iraqi government lied to the American public for six weeks on this, and only told the truth after the hunt for Jamil intensified.

We won't find out the truth as long as the liars have Jamil locked up and we have to rely on the Iraqi Ministry of Information to provide us with the information.

Show me where ANY conservative bloggers are demanding to know why the Iraqi Ministry of Information LIED to the US Military and the American people about Jamil's existence.

Since the liars on the right STILL can't bring themselves to admit that they were wrong, and could care less about the truth, why should the AP, or anyone else for that matter, give a crap about what the rightwing blogosphere wants to know?

His stories were fake, but ... (Below threshold)

His stories were fake, but because the liar actually exists, they're accurate. Gotcha.

Tom's dead on...the liberal types are all wetting themselves because the liar might actually exist, spinning the story away from the fact that the AP was using an unauthorized souce, if any at all, to run stories that no credible source will back up...the fact that the lying source feeding them lies might exist does not make them honest. Don't get dizzy.

Geez Lee, Forgive me... (Below threshold)
Lorie:

Geez Lee,
Forgive me for not jumping to the conclusion that this report is 100 percent correct, without question. I said that it appears he may be a real person, which was very much in question due to the fact that for six weeks no one could seem to find the guy and due to the fact that he was cited as the source for 61 AP stories in various areas, many of which were outside the jurisdiction he was said to be assigned.

Evidently you think I should accept this story with no question whatsoever. Sorry, but I have been burned too many times by the MSM. Fake, but accurate is just not good enough for me so yes, I am taking a "wait and see" on this one.

See, Lee, I swallowed the original story, the one that ran Thanksgiving weekend and that Matt Lauer cited as the proof that Iraq was in a civil war, hook, line and sinker. I believed that all those mosques burned and that those six Iraqis were burned alive. Now I think there are quite a few questions about it. The AP has even backed off many elements of the original story and they stopped citing their frequent source Hussein all of a sudden.

So, no, I am not jumping on this one and accepting it without question like I did the original Thanksgiving weekend story. There is just too much fishy reporting coming out of Iraq. Heck, for that matter there is too much fishy reporting coming from Kinko's in Texas. I no longer believe that if I see it in print, and it has an AP or a Reuters tag on it, that it is true. The identical smoke rings should have done it for me, but I still accepted the Thanksgiving weekend "burning six" story without question until I learned the source had been the source of 61 AP stories. No more.

This story is fake accordin... (Below threshold)
Lee:

This story is fake according to who> The rightwing blogospshere -- the very same people who kept telling us that Jamil didn't exist.

And the right-wing liars will continue to repeat the same lies over and over again, just as they did concerning Jamil's existence. They can't even write a dimple declarative sentence that tells the truth. Falze: "the liberal types are all wetting themselves because the liar might actually exist,". He exists, the Iraqi Ministry of Information confirmed it -- and you STILL can't tell the truth.

So you want to continue hammering on the AP -- for using an unauthroized source? - now that's an interesting statement, Falze -- but you must be swooning with the vapors -- since you are suggesting that the AP should only rely on the sources provided by the lying Iraqi Ministry of Information instead.

The Iraqi Ministry of Information lied for six weeks about the existence of Jamil Hussein.

THe AP is wrong for using unapproved sources? Only the sources on the Iraqi Ministry of Information's approved list should be used? -- You say that now that we know they lied for six weeks?

Gee, that 's really... stupid.

And you're going to lecture us on how to find out the truth? What a friggin' joke. It's official. You guys are insane. I used to think you knew the truth and just argued for political reasons -- but statements like those of illogical Blogical's and Falze's shows otherwise. Your cognitive processes are blown.

Seek help, Tom and Falze, then come back and lecture us some more about how we should rely on proven liars for our information, while at the same time you are smearing the vindicated AP with more lies.

The Iraqi Ministry of in... (Below threshold)

The Iraqi Ministry of information DID have control have control, KNEW the truth, and LIED.

How do you know that? The situation In Iraq is chaotic, at best. How do you know what they knew and when? The man is a police officer, which I assume means he's part of the Ministry of the Interior. I'm guessing that they don't have their payroll online in MS Access; it may take time to run one guy down.

Sure, it is POSSIBLE they knew all along. But there could be very good reasons to not let on that they knew, especially if they were conducting an investigation into his behavior and interactions with the media, maybe even a sting to see how he would behave when approached by a reporter. Maybe they fed him information to see if he would leak it.

Again, we don't know. Lee WANTS his version to be true (because he thinks it paints people who disagree with him in the worst possible light, not because he thinks it's the most likely explanation), but his version is only one possibility amongst many, given the sparce, known facts.

We only have 50 pieces of a 500-piece puzzle at the moment, I suspect.

"Wow! They found some guy n... (Below threshold)
Eason Jordan:

"Wow! They found some guy named Hussein in Irak? Who would have thought that? And get this, the poor schmuck is named Jamil to boot.

Never mind that the mosques that were blown up are still standing, the bodies of the immolated were never claimed (or even found). We gots us a guy named Jamil and he was a capt errrrr corporal or whateveah.

Posted by: RicardoVerde at December 18, 2006 09:17 PM "

By the way, Lee, all we're ... (Below threshold)

By the way, Lee, all we're doing is asking questions of the reports we see in the news, rather than accepting them without analysis. Since when have leftists been against questioning authority?

Answer: when they're the authority!

"Seek help, Tom and Falz... (Below threshold)

"Seek help, Tom and Falze, then come back and lecture us some more about how we should rely on proven liars for our information, while at the same time you are smearing the vindicated AP with more lies."

You're off the deep end, Lee, by now putting words in my mouth, and now assuming the AP is somehow "vindicated" by having a guy as their source for another potentially fake story show up - of all places - in jail.

Would you like to provide some quotes of me "smearing" the AP? Can't find any? Didn't think so. I haven't said the first word about even questioning the AP on this site or my own. Holy crap, questioning the AP about their stories, given the track record of the MSM, are now your justification for calling the writers at Wizbang liars?

Careful, Lee. You're going to knee-jerk your way into a stroke.

More asshattery ftom the ri... (Below threshold)
Lee:

More asshattery ftom the righ....wrong-wing blogosphere. This time it's Patterico: (emphasis mine)

While I want to know more about Jam(a)il Hussein, I continue to believe that it is a mistake to focus on his "existence" to the exclusion of focusing on the other problems with the AP story. I am primarily concerned with the fact that the initial AP story on the "burning six" reported that four mosques were burned.

Thanks for admitting that the wrongwing blogosphere's focus has been on his "existence", to the exclusion of other information.

Does Patterirco express any concern over the fact that the Iraqi Ministry of Information has lied? Has he expressed any interest in finding out why we were lied to for six weeks?

The lies served a useful purpose for the righ---wrong-wing blogosphere, and at this point they could care less about the truth, and are focusing instead on any possible way they can find to continue to nail the AP.

Does Patterirco express ... (Below threshold)

Does Patterirco express any concern over the fact that the Iraqi Ministry of Information has lied?

I'll say this slowly this time:
You.
Don't.
Know.
That.

You assume cravenness, either out of projection or out of simply wishing the worst on the Iraqi people. However, invstigations take time, and they require discretion. If the Ministry did an investigation--note i said if--it would be a hell of a lot easier to do it with the investigation's not tipped off to it.

Illogical Blogical said (em... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Illogical Blogical said (emphasis his): "...by having a guy as their source for another potentially fake story show up - of all places - in jail..."

He's been jailed by the people who lied to us for six weeks about his very existence.

You aren't interested in the truth -- you're smearing Jamil, AP's source, as being a jailbird and therefore of dubious credibility, and smearing AP in the process ("another potentially faked story") , when the fact is he has been jailed by the very same people who lied to us for six weeks about his very existence.

Illogical Blogical said: "Would you like to provide some quotes of me "smearing" the AP?"

Done.

I meant to say, it's easier... (Below threshold)

I meant to say, it's easier to investigate when the target is not tipped off. Let Jamil think he's home free (that takes a few weeks), then see what he does when the new "reporter" approaches him.....

Again, we just don't know.

By the way, Lee, back a day or two you insisted the Ethics Committee in the House was "run by the Republicans" even though it is always evenly split, party-wise, no matter who runs Congress. Meaning, an investigation can be stopped anytime if one party stonewalls (because all committee votes would be deadlocked). Meaning, you were wrong that the Democrats could not block an investigation of Conyers.

Care to correct the record?

Lee, why does the mere exis... (Below threshold)

Lee, why does the mere existence of the source mean that what the source says is true? I mean, the logic doesn't follow. AP was asked for more than just the source; they were asked for confirmation from other sources. No physical evidence was found (I mean, cameras are EVERYWHERE there, even in phones, and no one got ONE PICTURE?), and all sources were conveniently nameless. Hmmmm. And do you assume the Arab reporter stringers that do the legwork for the AP have no biases, either for one sect's faction or another or simply to please their employer by "confirming" their story?

Again, Lee, you seem to be saying that we should just accept what reporters say, just because of who they are, and never mind asking for more details!

Ignore the man behind the curtain!!

And what about funerals? P... (Below threshold)

And what about funerals? Past evidence does NOT imply a quiet, subtle funeral after a prominent Middle Eastern murder like those burnings would have been, had they happened. No, that generally leads to one of those big protest-funerals with the coffin paraded in the streets.

Sooooo...let me get this st... (Below threshold)

Sooooo...let me get this straight. If I can with a straight face.

I'm "smearing" a guy because I said he was in jail...when in fact he is in jail. He's in jail because, quoting the AP now, the same source that reported he was in jail (is the AP "smearing" him too?):

"He said police officers sign a pledge not to talk to reporters when they join the force."

I believe that signing a pledge and then breaking that same pledge would justify not giving this guy any credibility with this story. And I'm "smearing" the AP for questioning one story? For wondering why none of the 6 bodies have shown up from the orignial story? For wondering the same thing about the AP and this story that Eason Jordan has?

As JohnAnnArbor has pointed out many times in this thread, you don't even know if the Iraqi Ministry of Information has even lied yet...meaning, you're smearing them, by your own definition.

ROTFLMAO!!!!

I guess absence of evidence... (Below threshold)
mantis:

I guess absence of evidence is not evidence of absence after all. Shocking.

Depends, mantis. With WMDs... (Below threshold)

Depends, mantis. With WMDs, it's gospel that absence of evidence is evidence of absence.

Jamil Hussein just... (Below threshold)
Larkin:
Jamil Hussein just might exist, after all,

I'm really missing something here Lorie. Where does the might come from? Are you saying we can't trust what the Ministry is saying?

It was highly likely all along that Hussein did exist and that the AP was reporting what he had told them. Sometimes sources don't tell the truth and maybe the burning six was one case but I have to believe the AP reporters who used Hussein as a source had reason to believe that he was credible based on prior contact with him.

Will media outlets like the AP occasionally report false stories in the middle of a raging war? Absolutely yes. If they didn't they wouldn't be human. How many of us have NEVER made a mistake in our day jobs?

So maybe the burning six story was a fabrication but I doubt the rest were or the AP would have caught on and stop using this guy. The idea that these AP reporters in Baghdad are sitting there inventing horrible stories to write just doesn't make sense at all. Working in Baghdad has got to be the worst and most dangerous beat for a reporter anywhere in the world. They live in constant fear of making a wrong turn and having their heads chopped or being blown to smitherenes by a roadside bomb. Somehow, I have a feeling most of them would gladly report the war was over and move on to Paris, Shanghai, Sydney or someplace else in the civilized world and report from there. They don't have to make stories up; the everyday reality of Iraq is plenty bad enough.

OMG. I DO Exist!... (Below threshold)
epador:

OMG. I DO Exist!

Therefore I was never for or against him, and he exists too. Plus I offended a few sensibilities along the way.

My gosh, I sure hope Lee doesn't pick up on this and start another pointless gloatfest. I'm not sure the bandwidth at WB could take it.

Right Wing Wizbang Bloggers... (Below threshold)

Right Wing Wizbang Bloggers,

Let me see if I'm understanding your position here.

Are you are saying the AP is wrong for using a proven to be alive Iraq police officer ( by proven I mean as proclaimed by the Iraqi Ministry of Information) because he signed an agreement not to talk to the press?

Who should control the flow of information out of Iraq?

I know you're well aware of the millions spent by the pentagon to produce "news" reports from Iraq that are sympathetic to our interests in the region. Hell, it would be a dereliction of duty if they didn't. It's that "hearts and minds" thing you need to be successful in any hostile environment occupation.

So now you're OK with him being jailed for being a "loose cannon" of information out of Iraq?

Are you convinced that the Iraqi Ministry of Information has a higher regard for truth than for war zone propaganda?

Remember it ain't propaganda if its your version of reality you want to hear.

Let me get this straight. ... (Below threshold)

Let me get this straight. For six weeks, the AP can't find the guy responsible for feeding them over 60 stories. The AP finally says they found the guy (still no independent verification) but he's been arrested and now unavailable. No one can find any evidence that what this guy reported ever happened, no pictures, no funeral, no bodies, but we are now all supposed to eat crow because some AP stringer said he exists?

Even if he really does exist (and at this point, I want someone other than the AP's word), how do you explain that no one can corroborate his stories?

His alleged existence does not mean he is credible and there seems to be evidence that he is not.

Even if he exists, he apparently made stuff up. What the hell is the difference? What the AP reported appears to be false no matter who is the source.

VW

VW

Depends, mantis. With WM... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Depends, mantis. With WMDs, it's gospel that absence of evidence is evidence of absence.

We already know where those went.

driftglass' blog on this (p... (Below threshold)
Robert:

driftglass' blog on this (posted at 6:40 AM this morning) is brilliant.

http://driftglass.blogspot.com/

Robert, I wouldn't say it's... (Below threshold)

Robert, I wouldn't say it's brilliant, it's another blog that still buys the entire jamil story hook line and sinker.

I'm still on the wait and see, because I still think we get our news WAY to fast. Too fast for the whole story to come out, making a lot of our political infighting to take place on half-assed information.

Ah the glory days when we KNEW that the Information ministry of Iraq lied outright...
www.welovetheIraqinformationminister.com

LEE: This story is... (Below threshold)
marc:
LEE: This story is fake according to who The rightwing blogospshere -- the very same people who kept telling us that Jamil didn't exist.
Lee you really need to unbunch your panties. They're twisted so tight the fresh tattoo you have on the left cheek saying "Gotcha!" is within view. It's located to the long since fresh "TOOL" tattoo.

According you the everyone is a liar. In fact you admit, for a short time, you were also a liar when you issued a mea culpa over this story.

So what's changed Lee? Reality dictates nothing other than one story claiming this guy exists. Considering all that is verifiably false about this episode I won't believe anything til I see the guy in a live interview recounting his story.

Secondly you claim it the story was fueled by the right wing blogosphere.

In certain respects that's true. But the MSM had no incentive to dig into it for various reasons.

But it is interesting even the NYT, who you surely must admit is NOT friendly to Bush or anything war related passed on the original story because it stunk to high heaven.

We reached several people who told us about the mosque attacks, but said they had heard nothing of Sunni worshippers being burned alive. Any big news event travels quickly by word of mouth through Baghdad, aided by the enormous proliferation of cell phones here. Such an incident would have been so abominable that a great many of the residents in Hurriya, as well as in other Sunni Arab districts, would have been in an uproar over it. Hard-line Sunni Arab organizations such as the Muslim Scholars Association or the Iraqi Islamic Party would almost certainly have appeared on television that day or the next to denounce this specific incident. Iraqi clerics and politicians are not shy about doing this. Yet, as far as I know, there was no widespread talk of the incident. So I mentioned it only in passing in my report.

So cool you jets Lee. And unbunch those panties. The "GOTCHA" tattoo is unbecoming, the "TOOL" tattoo is rather appropriate though.

So Jamil Hussein DOES exist... (Below threshold)
Reality:

So Jamil Hussein DOES exist? Do you wingnuts ever get anything right? Hey wait, I know, it's all a conspiracy by the Iraqi government so they can get the US military to stay, wait.....go, or something. I know! It's a conspiracy by Al Queda infiltrators to the Iraqi police to make people BELIEVE that Jamal Hussein exists so that Al Queda can keep feeding stories to the AP!

It's painful trying to think wingnut. Think I'll take a nap.

I think Lee is gonna be pis... (Below threshold)
epador:

I think Lee is gonna be pissed so many people are trying to take his place.

So as long as a source 'exi... (Below threshold)
LJD:

So as long as a source 'exists', then nothing wrong with our press publishing false stories to incite violence?

So the AP has 'found' their... (Below threshold)
hermie:

So the AP has 'found' their 'source'?

After 6 weeks, when one of their most valuable and quoted sources suddenly 'disappears', the AP previously never kept tabs on him? Never kept his phone number handy, or had contact with him through friends or intermediaries? They 'lose' their #1 source the minute his credibility is questioned, and Jordan and Malkin announce they are going show up in Iraq and start asking questions?


No one outside the righty b... (Below threshold)
jpe:

No one outside the righty blogosphere gives a shit about Malkin; her ability to impact credibility is limited to sites that have already concluded the AP is evil and in league with al-Qaeda (so I suppose she can't impact credibility on righty blogs, either; she simply reinforces pre-existing beliefs)

I am confused..what is so h... (Below threshold)
nogo postal:

I am confused..what is so hard to understand that a source pointing out the frailty and failure of the Iraqi govt..."disappears" so he won't be arrested..This is the Iraq our brave are dying for..speak out against the govt and go to jail.
Our troops, even with esclation cannot control the various militias...As for the Iraqi govt, they are the militias..Bring'em home...

Gee Lorie, a guy who lives ... (Below threshold)
civil behavior:

Gee Lorie, a guy who lives in a country where chaos reigns supreme (thanks to GW)where people stay in their houses for fear of retribution and retaliation, where people won't even risk helping a dying man or woman on the street and you concoct some cock and bull story about him not even existing?


Thus the reporters who also risk their lives report to the world, stories of atrocities being committed in our name(again thanks to GW) and you make up excuses for why a guy might not want to be identified.


Now that you know he exists you want a pound of flesh before believeing that he was accurate in reports of said atrocities (one more time such thanks to GW)so you don't have to admit to your ever diminsihing credibility in supporting the monster in the WH.


For god's sake woman, what's it take to muster up a little humility? People are dying here and their blood is on your hands, admit it and do something constructive to stop it.

'Thus the reporters who als... (Below threshold)
LJD:

'Thus the reporters who also risk their lives (for that elusive Pulitzer) report to the world, stories of atrocities (that never happened) being committed in our name...'

Hmm, we still cannot prove ... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

Hmm, we still cannot prove the man exists. The AP says he does --- oh, but he is in prison.

Wow. How convenient.

Until we can speak to him and ask him to verify anything, the AP is still throwing up a smokescreen.

The "reality-based" community seems to be in short supply of reality.
-=Mike

Don't you just love old "pu... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Don't you just love old "pucker puss" (lee lee) trying to hog all the post space . Look at me, he says, I am smarter then all the rest. He hasn't typed one word that is nothing more then lies to make you think he is something other then a "turd polisher". (yes I am stiil taking my medicine that you help pay for)

CB--does your poor little heart bleed that much?

Also, no comments on the ho... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

Also, no comments on the how the AP suddenly changed the story from 4 burned mosques to one?

Seems such an odd change to a story that they claimed was true months ago.

Is it that hard to count burnt mosques?
-=Mike
...Being off by 400% is not exactly giving me faith in their alleged source...

jhow66 proudly states: "... (Below threshold)
Lee:

jhow66 proudly states: "yes I am stiil taking my medicine that you help pay for"

We Democrats are happy to help out with whatever you need so you can stay on the meds, jhow66.

Twice a day, remember... take them twice a day. Here's an easy way for you to remember.

It's early morning in the jhow66 household...

1. Alarm clock rings.
2. Take teeth out of the glass and put them in your mouth.
3. Open the door to your drab yellow Sinclair 12x25 "Hollywood Swinger DeLuxe" mobile home and let the cat out.
4. Crank up your 14 year old 486/33 PC and log onto your neighbors aol account, and hit the Wizbang home page.
5. Search all of the comment threads for my comments. Don't bother reading the posts, you don't understand the big words anyway.
6. When you find one of my comments, insert the following comment in return:

Notice how pucker puss Lee-Lee always hit the ditto key and never has anything new to say!

7. Switch off the PC.
7. Take your meds.

Repeat around 6pm with the following routine:

1. Open the door to your drab yellow Sinclair 12x25 "Hollywood Swinger DeLuxe" mobile home and let the cat in.
2. Switch the TV channel to the 6pm broadcast of 20 year old reruns of Hollywood Squares, and yell loudly at the TV "Paul Lynde is a faggot!".
3. Take a Swanson frozen dinner from the freezer and put in in the oven.
4. Crank up your 14 year old 486/33 PC and log onto your neighbors aol account, and hit the Wizbang home page.
5. Search all of the comment threads for my comments. Don't bother reading the posts, you don't understand the big words anyway.
6. When you find one of my comments, insert the following comment in return:

Notice how pucker puss Lee-Lee always hit the ditto key and never has anything new to say!

7. Switch off the PC.
8. Take your meds.

Repeat daily for the rest of your sad, sorry life.

Um, how long did that take ... (Below threshold)

Um, how long did that take you to write?

I question the timing. </p... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

I question the timing.

I mean I think its interesting Eason Jordan gets involved in the story. But he just doesn't get involved in the whole story. The part about the mosques that didn't get burned and no victims is overlooked. He take the particular tact of elevating the 'Does Jamil exist' aspect alone. Making this all about Jamil being real or not and not about credibility of AP and their sources.

Then poof, Jamil is found.

Couldn't have worked out better for AP.

Damn it Lee....You made me ... (Below threshold)

Damn it Lee....You made me snarfel* all over my keyboard.
You described jhow66 just as I imagined him/her.

* Snarfel: The act of dispelling your beverage while in a fit of uncontrolled laughter.

Hey LEE_EE:... (Below threshold)
epador:

Hey LEE_EE:


Jamal says he wasn't a source for the AP.

Is he lying now, the AP lying now or what? Or are you still grinding rat turds?




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