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Pelosi Watch

Few are as good at pointing out hypocrisy as Tammy Bruce is and she has a "must read" post on Nancy Pelosi which "exposes her hypocrisy on issues of war and safety for this nation."

While she voted in support of Bill Clinton's adventure in bombing the bejesus out of the former Yugoslavia (to save Muslims, mind you) she voted against the war in Iraq in 2002. Here's a small sample of her positions:

# Voted NO on approving removal of Saddam & valiant service of US troops. (Mar 2004)
# Voted NO on authorizing military force in Iraq. (Oct 2002)
# Condemns anti-Muslim bigotry in name of anti-terrorism. (Oct 2001)
# Wage war on Terrorism, not on fellow Americans. (Sep 2001)
# Voted NO on disallowing the invasion of Kosovo. (May 1999)

Clearly, this is not a woman who votes based on what's right. She votes based on what Republicans do not want. Taking that cynical stance means Pelosi is a person who does not vote based on what's right for this country, but instead on what her party wants, which translates to what's best for her own power. Contrast that with Joe Lieberman's principled stands. But don't you dare forget--she's just a kindly Granny who wants to do what's best for kids.

Read the entire post, as well as Curt's post at Flopping Aces about the media treatment "Carebear Pelosi" receives.


Comments (56)

And if Pelosi wasn't bad en... (Below threshold)
Cybrludite:

And if Pelosi wasn't bad enough, check out what Reid is up to...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070109/ap_on_go_co/congress_rdp

Speaking from experience, t... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Speaking from experience, this comes as no great shock considering the source: an SF liberal.

My God it's embarrassing to... (Below threshold)
drlava:

My God it's embarrassing to see Wizbang scramble for anything like this post. I realize the devastation of last Nov. 7 was horrific and fatal to the consevative movement but to make your crying and pillow biting public is just so sad.

An excellent example of "sh... (Below threshold)

An excellent example of "shoot the messenger," doc. Don't pay any attention to the facts stated, just hurl the hyperbole.

I would be interested to read your principled distinction between Yugoslavia and Iraq.

drlava,I was hoping ... (Below threshold)
Judith:

drlava,
I was hoping the republicans would not descend to the level the dems have maintained for sooooo long, the crying, the whining, the sniveling, etc. Perhaps your type could allow the republicans a SHORT time of wallowing in the gutter you owned...believe me, the republicans will rebound quickly.

Wow drlava's statement didn... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

Wow drlava's statement didn't have anything really to do with the post. In fact it so meaninglessly generic, I wonder the trolls are using bots now?

jpm, it's even more ironic ... (Below threshold)

jpm, it's even more ironic with the homophobic "pillow-biting" reference. I thought they were the side of tolerance and acceptance and embracing diversity?

J.

But look how effectively th... (Below threshold)
epador:

But look how effectively the thread is hijacked!

The dems have nothing. The ... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

The dems have nothing. The exit polls for Nov.7 says corruption was the first issue in their motivation to vote. Iraq was number four. Spin away dims. Frankly, I am enjoying this time. The dems will have to lead, but the poll driven party will not know how. You need principles. ww

I must say that for all tho... (Below threshold)
Hugh:

I must say that for all those of you who almost daily complain(ed) about the so-called Bush Derangement Syndrome, you must have gone out in the cold and caught Pelosi Derangement Syndrome.

The first rule of politics is that when you have nothing to offer call someone names. Many of you are artful practitioners.

You holler she is a hypocrite while practicing it yourself. Well done.

P.S. I forgot. Now let the ... (Below threshold)
Hugh:

P.S. I forgot. Now let the name calling begin.

H

From your "Carebear" citati... (Below threshold)
aRepukelican:

From your "Carebear" citation: "The majority of the Democrats display their hypocrisy daily, when Clinton started a fight then everything was a-ok. Bush does it, against an actual threat to our country (ie...Afghanistan & Iraq rather then Kosovo), he is vilified by the hypocrites"

Anyone who still affirms that Iraq was or ever had been a threat to the US is either a warmongerer or an abject fool.

That "Carebear" citation is beyond belief, but one can always count on the Wizchoir to sing on cue.

Anyone who still ... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:
Anyone who still affirms that Iraq was or ever had been a threat to the US is either a warmongerer or an abject fool.

Thank you for your contribution to the discussion. Your post has truly been enlightening. That has to be one of the most compelling arguments I've seen made on the topic.

Hugh, P.S... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Hugh,

P.S. I forgot. Now let the name calling begin.

Now that you made a new year's resolution to not engage in name calling, it's safe to call you names and see if you can live up to that resolution.

Hugh you are late sometimes and early other times. Sometimes you're verbose but other times you're cryptic. Sometimes your interesting and other times you're boring. I guess that makes you a hypocrite, at least by leftist standards.

Ok, we got your request out of the way.

The first rule of politics is that when you have nothing to offer call someone names. Many of you are artful practitioners.

This is learned behavior and conservative posters on Wizbang have had many leftist troll comments to learn from. I generally try to avoid name calling on a personal basis, (except when asked to do so), because your statement above is mostly true.

I am hearing relentless cha... (Below threshold)
Wizard:

I am hearing relentless chants about higher payroll taxes, stem cell research, higher minimum wages, raising taxes etc. etc. from these clueless Dimwits. Aren't they just wonderful? Saviors of the people. I've yet to hear what their foriegn policy is. Actually I've not heard anything they are planning to insure the security of the country without which nothing else matters.
Further, leave the economy alone. It sure is a lot better than back in 2000.

aRepukelican,<blockqu... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

aRepukelican,

Anyone who still affirms that Iraq was or ever had been a threat to the US is either a warmongerer or an abject fool.

Your statement above doesn't include the most important case, which is that Saddam would likely have become a serious threat to the US had he been left in power. Those who don't see that are either ignorant or blind fools.

But of course, Mac, you are... (Below threshold)
aRepukelican:

But of course, Mac, you are so right; and, if one waits long enough, pigs will likely fly as well.

Keep on singing....

aRepukelican<blockquo... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

aRepukelican

But of course, Mac, you are so right; and, if one waits long enough, pigs will likely fly as well.

So which are you; ignorant or a blind fool?

Anyone who still ... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:
Anyone who still affirms that Iraq was or ever had been a threat to the US is either a warmongerer or an abject fool

Is this revisionist history writing or the lack of a short-term memory?

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." --Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

Even Nancy the warmonger and abject fool weighed in........

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998


Mac:I appreciate t... (Below threshold)
Hugh:

Mac:

I appreciate the critque. :-) I think you're right on. Hopefully, I'm not too boring too often. I don't get the transition from all that to hypocrite though.

H

Jumpin joe....you oughta st... (Below threshold)
aRepukelican:

Jumpin joe....you oughta stop jumpin up & down as you try to keep up w/ the Wizchoir tune.

Doesn't matter who said what...the plain fact is that it was all wrong. A wrong Democrat doesn/t make up for a deliberately lying Prez or Veep, who, at the time of their statements, knew damn well, that they were cherry-picking the intelligence to railroad the American public into a war that they had intended from the day they stepped into office.

And, before you try to pick that assertion apart, then you are going to have to claim that Paul O'Neill and Richard Clarke are lying through their teeth.

Hugh,I do... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Hugh,

I don't get the transition from all that to hypocrite though.

I don't either, but I was using leftist standards. You know, the same standards that say being wrong about something is the same as telling a lie.

Anyway, reasoned debate, diversity of opinions, and humor are what makes Wizbang a great blog in my book. The more pure flaming in comments the less interesting those comments are regardless of who's being flamed.

"Doesn't matter who said... (Below threshold)
cmd:

"Doesn't matter who said what. . ."

The typical screech of a Democrat when they can't refute their own past.

The truth remains, asshat - when Maddy and Fancy Nancy and the Syphilitic Hillbilly talked about Iraq as a threat, you dropped to your knees and swallowed the talking points. When Clinton lied about mass graves in Serbia, you people screamed that we couldn't wait for the corrupt UN to act - we had to go in now! People were dying! When that horny hick bombed an aspirin factory in the Sudan, you just shrugged your shoulders - hey, they're only little brown sand monkeys over there anyway.

"a deliberately lying Prez. . ."

Like "the troops will be home for Christmas" ?

Or "Elian will be happier in Cuba" ?

Or "They're abusing children in Waco" ?

Or "I did not have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinsky" ?

FOAD, traitor. I know you people are creaming in your panties because at long last you can taste the blood of our soldiers as the war is lost, but let's not pretend you have clean hands in any of this.

Voted NO on approving re... (Below threshold)
observer 5:

Voted NO on approving removal of Saddam & valiant service of US troops. (Mar 2004)

Well, Saddam was already removed by then. Did the resolution also approve the brilliance of our Leaders, Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld, even as things started to fall apart in Iraq?

Voted NO on authorizing military force in Iraq. (Oct 2002)

That vote looks pretty good right now, given the mess we're in - with too-few troops to sustain the last "surge" beyond six months.


Condemns anti-Muslim bigotry in name of anti-terrorism. (Oct 2001)

You're in favor of anti-Muslim bigotry? Oh yeah, MIDDLE EASTERN MEN have been seen at the port of Miami! We're all gonna DIE!

Wage war on Terrorism, not on fellow Americans. (Sep 2001)

Didn't know you were in favor of waging war on fellow Americans.

Voted NO on disallowing the invasion of Kosovo. (May 1999)

Yeah, that Kosovo thing was a bloodbath, all the troops that died, it's a real quagmire.

I agree Wizbang is one of m... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

I agree Wizbang is one of my favorite sites, not just for the topics, although great, but the comments. Frequently spot on and some humorous. I do not pay any attention to the trolls who just want to spew hate and get off topic. They hate just to hate. They are the Rosie O'Donnells of the commentors. Just comment to incite. Very boring. Very elementary. ww

"Clearly, this is not a ... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"Clearly, this is not a woman who votes based on what's right. She votes based on what Republicans do not want."

Quit contradicting yourself, Lorie.

A wrong Democrat ... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:
A wrong Democrat doesn/t make up for a deliberately lying Prez or Veep

Thank you for clarifying the difference between Democrats simply being "wrong" about Iraq's WMD and President Bush saying the same thing almost verbatim being a "lie".

And all this time I thought the Democrats were just being hypocrites but it turns out they were just ignorant and President Bush is really an evil genius.

Again, my horizons are forever expanding here in the comment sections.

Thanks again....

~Peace Out~

From cmd..."FOAD, traito... (Below threshold)
aRepukelican:

From cmd..."FOAD, traitor. I know you people are creaming in your panties "

Are you watching, Kim? Just one of many examples of a Wizfool's forensics skill, not to mention polite discourse.

It seems strange for the "P... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

It seems strange for the "Prez or Veep" to deliberately lie about something apparently the Democrats were on the same page about.

I'm afraid I'll never understand the hopelessly enigmatic motivations of Evil Geniuses and their scheming cabal of warmongering abjectly foolish clones.

aRepukelican,<blockqu... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

aRepukelican,

Doesn't matter who said what...the plain fact is that it was all wrong. A wrong Democrat doesn/t make up for a deliberately lying Prez or Veep, who, at the time of their statements, knew damn well, that they were cherry-picking the intelligence to railroad the American public into a war that they had intended from the day they stepped into office.

So, Bill Clinton must have been cherry-picking the intelligence too, because he's on record as saying he believe Saddam had WMD. Taking the word of Paul O'Neill and Richard Clarke and ignoring Bill Clinton, Pelosi, Albright, and many more people who had access to the same intelligence Bush had is also cherry-picking. Once again you are guilty of the same thing you accuse others of.

Ignorance can be fixed, but it seems you're so blinded by your hatred of Bush that you can't accept that Saddam could ever have posed a threat to the U.S. That's really what Pelosi, Albright were talking about in 1998. It doesn't matter at all that Saddam didn't have WMD's on hand, because we now know he retained the capability of making them as soon as the UN sanctions were lifted. We also now know Saddam had so corrupted the UN and some member states of the Security Council that the sanctions would have likely been lifted by 2004 had Bush not acted when he did.

Saddam suffered his most humiliating defeat at the hands of the U.S. in the first Gulf war and he was a man known to seek revenge. A pissed-off Saddam in a nation free from UN sanctions and the ability to make WMDs is what we would now be facing had Bush not taken that butcher out when he did. It's obvious from your posts above that that possibility never crossed your mind aRepukelican. This nation is so lucky you and your ilk were not in charge of this nation's military at that critical juncture in history. That's really what the left is so afraid of; people realizing the threat Saddam would have become if not for the courage of Bush at a critical juncture in history.

aRepukelican,I've ... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

aRepukelican,

I've often found that the best way to encourage polite discourse is to pick and post under an offensive name for the people in which you request said discourse.

You seem to be confused about many of the basics in life.

Mac"This nation... (Below threshold)
aRepukelican:

Mac

"This nation is so lucky you and your ilk were not in charge of this nation's military at that critical juncture in history"...in reference to taking Saddam out.

The plain fact is that the US is now in a hopeless Iraqi quagmire w/ no resolution in sight because an untutored fool fell under the sawy of the PNAC/neocon cabal, which had always hadthe ill-conceived scheme to remove Saddam in order to project American hegemony into the Middle East.

So this nation is now minus 3000+ Americans w/ another 22,000+ maimed for life and embroiled in a hopeless war thanks to a Texan Incompetent, who, with his experience in Foreign Affairs, couldn't even define the difference between the Rio Grande and a taco.

HeralderGlad you c... (Below threshold)
aRepukelican:

Heralder

Glad you commented on the user.

The Republicans bend over backwards to supplant the name of the Democratic Party w/ their ungrammatical substitution, apart from the fact that "Democratic" is the Party's chosen name, in an attempt, inspired in part by Gingrich & Frank Luntz, as a hateful way of demonstrating their contempt. And, as dutiful Pavlovians, the rest of the crowd drools the same.

Not only is Democrat Party NOT THE correct name, it reflects illiterate English usage.

Additionally, here on Wizbang, one continually encounters the use of "Dumbocrat, Dimocrat, Dummycrat" etc

Since you people refuse to use the proper name for the Democratic Party, I thought it only fitting to return the favor in the form of my user. I'll amend it when I see the end of the usage of the intended epithet, Democrat Party.

Jay T...hope you're reading this

aRepukelican:<blockqu... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

aRepukelican:

hadthe ill-conceived scheme to remove Saddam in order to project American hegemony into the Middle East.

I was reading your post, doing my normal checklist;

1) hopeless Iraqi quagmire - check
2) American hegemony - check
3) neocon cabal - check
4) embroiled in a hopeless war - check
5) fool, Incompetent, untutored - check

...then I actually read the above quoted sentence. Explain to me, with your boundless and superior understanding, how we were to project our so-called hegemony by invading a place like Iraq?

Wouldn't we want to start with say, China? I mean, while we're exercising our expansionist warmongerging police state it would make sense to start somewhere, well, more impressive?

But, I seem to have been left off of the official conspiratorial Neocon Cabal (tm) mailing list...so I must admit I'm ignorant to the dark machinations of our idiot/genius president.

aRepukelican:Thank... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

aRepukelican:

Thanks for the clarification!

Repukelican = Democrat

A word on semantics: Trying to confuse the argument, or cover your own hypocrasy by scraping obscure verbage over the conversation doesn't make you right or vindicate your usage.

My very simple point, I don't post as "aDimmycrat" then complain about the lack of polite discourse, conversly, nor should you.

Tear 'em a new asshole aRep... (Below threshold)
Beaudreaux:

Tear 'em a new asshole aRepublican. You're the only sane poster ON this insane message board.

I don't know why you bother though, you will never change the minds of these troglidykes. These people breed and the results are the Jeffrey Dahlmer's of this world.

But it's good to see you go

Yes, indeed, he sure is tea... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Yes, indeed, he sure is tearing us up...I can't stop laughing.

Thanks for the post. Please come back and try again...you'll win eventually.

All the bush-bot finger-poi... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

All the bush-bot finger-pointing at Dem anti-Americanism would be more effective if W weren't such an Esau. Ever heard of Esau? The guy in Genesis who sold his birthright for that bowl of lentil soup? W is undercutting the US economically and politically by his open-borders policy. How laissez-fair jibes with GWOT I've yet to hear defended, let alone cogently enunciated here. (If I missed it, link please) So, coming from the Right, I must conclude our president is a scheming bitch. As for Wizbang's requisite RNC "nag" postings re: "Them!" and "She!": Utter Flop-Sweat (and unintentionally funny!) Carry on!

an untutored fool ... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:
an untutored fool fell under the sawy of the PNAC/neocon cabal, which had always hadthe ill-conceived scheme to remove Saddam in order to project American hegemony into the Middle East

I've heard over and over how we are not making friends by fighting terrorists in Iraq. But bombing the crap out of Iraq in 1998 wasn't exactly making friends and allies either, was it?

Remember, three of the permanent members of the UN Security Council condemned the United States for Operation Desert Fox. Not just for the bombing but also primarily for not even allowing Butler's report to be reviewed by the other members before the operation began. These members learned we took action from the news media; as did a lot of our very own lawmakers learn from the media we went to war.

Did Clinton and Democrats actually have the hindsight knowing that the corruption in the UN was going to allow sanctions to be lifted regardless of what Butler wrote so they had to take action before that happened? Russia, France and China all had their hands in the cookie jar. So we would have faced a sanction free Iraq if not for actions of Democrats.

But to say Clinton's actions were correct would be an admission that Bush was correct also because Russia, France and China were still itching to lift sanctions to pursue lucrative oil deals.

Since Democrats cannot admit to both scenarios being correct simply makes them hypocrites. The obvious is Democrats use the war for political posturing and nothing more.

There is no way to have it both ways.



aRepublican, these right wi... (Below threshold)
Beaudreaux:

aRepublican, these right wingnut extremists are a mixture of hatred and bible thumping rightiousness.

They beat their inbred children with wooden spoons in order to get the fear of a non-existent god into them.

Like I said, you are wasting your time. Think of Terri Chiavo and you'll understand. Think Tom Delay, Bill Frist... think corruption and perverted Florida congressmen, methamphetamine and male hookers. Think about the poor Texas housewife who drowned her five children in a bathtub because God told her to do it. God fearing republicans all.....

But like I said...it's great to see you giving 'em hell.

bryanD,Al... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

bryanD,

All the bush-bot finger-pointing

I meant to point my finger at you as well, but it seems something is wrong...my finger-servo has malfunctioned.

As for the rest of your post, it looks good. I'll send it straight through the translator as soon as possible.

Beaudreaux:<blockquot... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Beaudreaux:

But like I said...it's great to see you giving 'em hell.

How can you want him to give us hell if you don't believe in it?

Keep cheering him on though, it really seems to be making a difference, really...it does.

And, while your fingers are still moving over the keyboard, feel free to add your brain to the mix so we can get a coherant and topical post from you.

aRepukelican,<blockqu... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

aRepukelican,

The plain fact is that the US is now in a hopeless Iraqi quagmire w/ no resolution in sight because an untutored fool fell under the sawy of the PNAC/neocon cabal, which had always hadthe ill-conceived scheme to remove Saddam in order to project American hegemony into the Middle East.

It's only hopeless because untutored fools back home worked tirelessly to undermine support for victory in Iraq. The U.S. occupied Japan for six years and spent a million 1945 dollars a day just feeding the Japanese people. By the end of 1945 we had more than 350,000 US troops stationed in Japan and we still have more than 40,00 there to this day. Nation building also means protecting that nation and it costs both blood and money and it takes lots of time.

It's clear now that Saddam needed to be removed from power and that was done in quick time with minimal cost of life on both sides compared to WW2 standards. It's the nation building that's the problem, but it's the nation building that has the potential of changing the political landscape in the Middle East to one our children and grand children can live with.

The American people tolerated the loss of over 58,000 troops in the decade long Vietnam conflict, so who could have known that in 2006 the American people could not tolerate the loss of 3,000 troops? What changed? I think it's the result of the constant hammering of the MSM and the left against the war in the internet age that made the difference. People just got tired of hearing about it.

So this nation is now minus 3000+ Americans w/ another 22,000+ maimed for life. . .

During the same time over 125,000 Americans lost their lives on U.S. highways with over a million seriously injured. If that tragedy got the same press as the casualties in Iraq, the public would likely vote to withdraw from the highways. Somewhere between 2,500 and 4,900 U.S. troops died on D-Day in WW2. What would have happened if the American people quit then?

The real question is, what must this nation suffer before it's people wake up and do what it takes to secure peace and prosperity for our future generations?

Boudreaux may be jus... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Boudreaux may be just a socket puppet for aRepukelican. It wouldn't be the first time some lefty has resorted to his own cheerleading after getting trounce in the substance aspect.

HeralderCheck out ... (Below threshold)
aRepukelican:

Heralder

Check out The Project for the New American Century-the neocon concept for projecting US dominance in the 21st Century.

Iraq was to be one of the first steps.

aRepukeligan, I tailor my r... (Below threshold)
cmd:

aRepukeligan, I tailor my responses to your level. If you had any points of discussion that weren't stolen from MoveOn, Code Pink, DKos or Mama Sheehan, I'd engage you in conversation. I don't respond to Democrat trolls other than to unload a little bile. Keeps the heart strong, you know.

Oh, and BTW - next time you want to bitch and moan about the "PNAC/neo-con cabal," just type "GODDAMN JEWS!!!" Saves keystrokes. Besides, it's Jimmy Carter tested, DNC approved.

aRepukelican,May I... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

aRepukelican,

May I ask what this site has to do with the government and their decision making process?

Perhaps you would be comfortable with me saying:

"Check out Loose Change - the liberal concept for projecting self-blame and impotency in the face of terrorism.

9/11 was to be one of the first steps."

Mac Lorry, the Iraq Debacle... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

Mac Lorry, the Iraq Debacle is now the fault of the American people??? I know that's been a Fox talk radio trail balloon for a month or so, but I hadn't heard an unpaid use of it til now. Very Hitler-esque.

MacThe US deaths o... (Below threshold)
aRepukelican:

Mac

The US deaths on the highways is Limbarfian crap to hide the fact that Bush wilfully has sent Americans to their deaths and mutilation because he had absolutely no knowledge of Foreign Affairs or World vision. Good little puppy; now we know Rush is your bell-ringer.

And Mac

nice little bit on nation-building, but it was one of Bush's criticisms of Clinton in 2000. Now he's got a colossal mess that W and all the maniacal neo-cons couldn't build their way out of in a multitude of lifetimes. Sorry, Mac, your Japan comparison is apples-to-oranges.

Now the untutored fool Bush and his merry band of maniac neo-cons, along w/ the Israeli's, are gunning for Iran. When that occurs, you can kiss the 21st Century goodbye.

But, then again, you conservative knuckle-walkers would likely be happy to go back to your cave-dwelling lifestyles from which you never really emerged.

aRepukelican:<blockqu... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

aRepukelican:

The US deaths on the highways is Limbarfian crap to hide the fact that Bush wilfully has sent Americans to their deaths and mutilation because he had absolutely no knowledge of Foreign Affairs or World vision.

Actually, we tend to know of it as comparison. Comparison is a human tool used for understanding, and among many things, learning.

Now, if a knuckle walking cave-dweller can recognize such a simple concept, what does that make you?

Sorry, Mac, your Japan comparison is apples-to-oranges.

Elaborate.

Now the untutored fool Bush and his merry band of maniac neo-cons, along w/ the Israeli's, are gunning for Iran. When that occurs, you can kiss the 21st Century goodbye.

See diplomacy in action. Writing a letter doesn't stop a murderer, nor does a sanction unless you can stop them from breaking it.


aRepukelican,<blockqu... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

aRepukelican,

Mac Lorry, the Iraq Debacle is now the fault of the American people??? I know that's been a Fox talk radio trail balloon for a month or so, but I hadn't heard an unpaid use of it til now. Very Hitler-esque.

The effort to build a reasonably democratic nation in Iraq wasn't in danger until 11/7/06 when the American people put the cut and run Democrats into power. So yes, the future of Iraq is in the hands of the American people. You thinking otherwise is very Hitler-esque.

The US deaths on the highways is Limbarfian crap to hide the fact that Bush wilfully has sent Americans to their deaths and mutilation because he had absolutely no knowledge of Foreign Affairs or World vision. Good little puppy; now we know Rush is your bell-ringer.

Not at all, it's to put the deaths in prospective. The American people are willing to tolerate 41 deaths on the highways for every soldier killed in Iraq because we think driving is more that 41 times as important as victory in Iraq. That's because the MSM and the left have pompously amplified the cost of winning in Iraq while downplaying the cost of losing in Iraq.

nice little bit on nation-building, but it was one of Bush's criticisms of Clinton in 2000. Now he's got a colossal mess that W and all the maniacal neo-cons couldn't build their way out of in a multitude of lifetimes.

I don't care if Bush criticized Clinton in 2000. I want to win in Iraq to secure lasting peace for future generations of our children. It's too bad you and your ilk are so petty that you can't put politics aside for the good of the nation.

Sorry, Mac, your Japan comparison is apples-to-oranges.

It's a lesson from history, one you would do well to heed.

Now the untutored fool Bush and his merry band of maniac neo-cons, along w/ the Israeli's, are gunning for Iran. When that occurs, you can kiss the 21st Century goodbye.

And you think doing nothing will solve the problem? Are you going to talk the Iranians out of their haltered for Israel? Bush is working through the UN and European nations and you still whine about it.

But, then again, you conservative knuckle-walkers would likely be happy to go back to your cave-dwelling lifestyles from which you never really emerged.

I see you exhausted your limited ability to debate real issues with real ideas and facts. Don't feel too bad, that's a common problem among leftists.

MacAt the start of... (Below threshold)
aRepukelican:

Mac

At the start of the your reply above, your 1st referenced quote puts someone else's words in my mouth.

The you say, "The effort to build a reasonably democratic (sic)nation" You people can't decide on the proper spelling of the modifier. You oughta get consistent.

You use "hitler-esque" improperly as well...you rabid Bush neo-cons constantly reflect a far greater taste for Fascism than the average American, or anyone, for that matter, since the demise of Franco.

And you want to win in Iraq? And then, presumably, you'll put on your over-sized #1 foam finger and cavort like the denizens of Gainesville are currently doing. And if we don't win in Iraq, well, shucks, there's always Iran next season.

And as far as the Limbarfian stat comparison, you and the rest of you knuckle-walkers simply reflect your casual disregard for life by cheapening the meaning of American troop seaths in Iraq. Guess needless wate of life is ok as long as it doesn't exceed traffic death statistics. Mac, you oughta put your life where your mouth is and quit letting someone else do the dying for you, that is, if your "win" is really worth it to you. If you're an old fart, then send your kids and relatives of age. You can revel in the soothing comfort of "Taps" and your foam rubber #1 when they come home to you, packaged.

Just white noise to me. ww... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Just white noise to me. ww

The effort to build a re... (Below threshold)
mantis:

The effort to build a reasonably democratic nation in Iraq wasn't in danger until 11/7/06 when the American people put the cut and run Democrats into power.

That would be one of the funniest things you've ever written, Mac, if it weren't so damned sad. You truly live in your own fantasy world.

aRepukelican,<blockqu... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

aRepukelican,

At the start of the your reply above, your 1st referenced quote puts someone else's words in my mouth.

You're right for once, it was from bryanD who I hadn't been addressing, so I missed it.

The you say, "The effort to build a reasonably democratic (sic)nation" You people can't decide on the proper spelling of the modifier. You oughta get consistent.

Actually it's [sic] not (sic). If you are going to criticizes such minutiae at least get it right.

You use "hitler-esque" improperly as well...you rabid Bush neo-cons constantly reflect a far greater taste for Fascism than the average American, or anyone, for that matter, since the demise of Franco.

I just parroted bryanD's insult. He'll be pleased to know you think it was used improperly.

And you want to win in Iraq? And then, presumably, you'll put on your over-sized #1 foam finger and cavort like the denizens of Gainesville are currently doing. And if we don't win in Iraq, well, shucks, there's always Iran next season.

The method of fighting a counter insurgency is well know, it's just a matter of having the will to do it. Without the lying left's constant whining about minutiae the American people would have the will to win.

And as far as the Limbarfian stat comparison, you and the rest of you knuckle-walkers simply reflect your casual disregard for life by cheapening the meaning of American troop seaths in Iraq.

An by ignoring the deaths of 41 civilians for every soldier killed in Iraq you and your ilk cheapen the meaning of deaths on our highways, many of whom are innocent women and children. Shame on you.

Mac, you oughta put your life where your mouth is and quit letting someone else do the dying for you, that is, if your "win" is really worth it to you. If you're an old fart, then send your kids and relatives of age. You can revel in the soothing comfort of "Taps" and your foam rubber #1 when they come home to you, packaged.

I am a veteran and every male of every generation of my family back to WW2 has served in the military. Some of my relatives who were technically too old to serve in Iraq volunteered for special training so that they could go to Iraq. We all know it's important to win in Iraq and have put our lives on the line for generations. It's really not that uncommon of a story and that's why the sniveling clueless cowards among us can enjoy the freedoms that only blood can purchase.

mantis,Th... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

mantis,

That would be one of the funniest things you've ever written, Mac, if it weren't so damned sad. You truly live in your own fantasy world.

Certainly if I had been replying to you I would have used a more precise statement, but given aRepukelican is just name calling there's no need to engage in serious debate with him. Maybe when he goes away we can have a serious discussion.




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