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Barbara Boxer Must Apologize to Secretary Rice

Barbara Boxer accused Secretary Rice of not caring about what happens in Iraq because she doesn't have any children at risk. I can't imagine anyone saying anything more reprehensible or cruel:

Condoleezza Rice came under a shocking Democratic attack yesterday - as a childless woman who can't understand the sacrifices made by families of U.S. troops in Iraq. In a bitter personal assault on the secretary of state during her appearance before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, anti-war Sen. Barbara Boxer fumed that Rice didn't com prehend the "price" of the war.


"You're not going to pay a particular price, as I under stand it, with an immediate family," Boxer (D- Calif.) ranted.

"Who pays the price?" she repeatedly demanded during Rice's Capitol Hill grilling.

"I'm not going to pay a personal price. My kids are too old, and my grandchild is too young . . . So who pays the price? Not me, not you."

Boxer continued:

"You can't begin to imagine how you celebrate any holiday or birthday. There's an absence. It's not like the person's never been there. They always were there, and now they're not, and you're looking at an empty hole."

What a repugnant thing for Senator Boxer to say. She really scraped the bottom of the barrel with her questioning of Ms. Rice and she needs to apologize.

Newsbusters is just as sickened:

Is it not outrageous that Senator Barbara Boxer (Dem, Cal) verbally attacked Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice for not having children as Rice appeared before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Thursday to discuss the Administrations position on Bush's Iraq military "surge" plans? Is this an acceptable criticism of a political official? Is the fact that an official might not have children reason to doubt their capacity for policy making or ability to advise an administration?


Is this the Democrat's new era of niceness, their less rancorous way of governing?

Update: AJ Strata is spot on when he places Boxer's comments in the larger picture:

While losing a loved on is hard, it should not be seen as 'paying a price'. We all die. Some get to chose whether their death is for a good cause or is simply a useless loss. Drunk drivers cause useless losses. They make others 'pay a price'. Criminals make others 'pay a price'. What has been happening on the battlefields of late is a 'sacrifice'. It is a priceless gift someone gave to all of us. It is an honorable sacrifice. And that is how those close to the person lost see it. They lost their loved one, yes. But they take pride and solace in the fact that loved one died doing what they wanted and in a cause they believed in

As some of you know, my husband's cousin, SFC Jim Priestap, was killed in Iraq by a terrorist sniper on Thanksgiving day, and let me say that AJ is absolutely correct. Jim's death was not a "price" that he "paid." It was an amazing sacrifice, and those of us who are lucky enough to be related to him or even know him are so honored and humbled that he chose to risk, and ultimately give, his life for his country and all it stands for.

AJ continues:

That is the difference in 'paying a price' and making a sacrifice - the intentions of the one who died are either in conflict with conditions of the loss or in support of the conditions. Boxer is too BDS driven to comprehend the difference. In fact, she clearly implies to die for one's country is to 'pay a price' - which means she really should not be in a leadership role. If she and her family cannot understand why people volunteer to fight and possibly die for this country, then they do not have the wisdom and insight to lead those people.

Agreed.


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Comments (112)

She's one of my senators. E... (Below threshold)
Old Coot:

She's one of my senators. Excuse me while I go vomit.

"You can't begin to imagine... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

"You can't begin to imagine how you celebrate any holiday or birthday. There's an absence. It's not like the person's never been there. They always were there, and now they're not, and you're looking at an empty hole."

Obviously premeditated, sanctimonious and quite boorish. She's kind of a cow isn't she?

My wife and I have no child... (Below threshold)
plainslow:

My wife and I have no children. I should apologize to all Americans for voting on anything to have to do with our future. Including, back when we were'nt sure if we were going to have kids or not, as we were apparentley leading the people of America on. And not being illegal, maybe I should give my driver's license back, and any tax refund I've ever gotten, since I know illegals have gotten Billions back.

So, when are the Bush twins... (Below threshold)
maggysturn:

So, when are the Bush twins going to Iraq?

All this sanctimonious preaching about the Democrats, but let's take a look at Republicans now. Your preznit keeps talking about the "sacrifice" that we now must make in Iraq. What sacrifice is ANYONE in the Bush family making?

I can't imagine anyone s... (Below threshold)
wolfwalker:

I can't imagine anyone saying anything more reprehensible or cruel:

I can. Fairly easily, as a matter of fact. For example, I'm sure that if Condi had lost a relative or close friend in Iraq, Boxer would have accused her of wanting to spread the losses around, so she'd have people to commiserate with.

Oh, yes, she must apologize... (Below threshold)
civil behavior:

Oh, yes, she must apologize to Condi.

The same day I see George and Dick apologize to the American people.

When h*** freezes over.

The left plows new ground--... (Below threshold)
nikkolai:

The left plows new ground--deeper down. Can a civil war be far off?

Repugnant? Yes, very. ... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

Repugnant? Yes, very.

Reprehensible? Yes, extremely.

Cruel? Yes, without question.

Typical for the left? Yes, sadly.

maggysturn, Once a... (Below threshold)
Chip:

maggysturn,

Once again, since you're a leftist, I'll go slow.
The US Military (that's the Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines,etc...) is an all volunteer service. I will never ask why haven't you served(not knowing whether you have or not nor do I care)or anyone else for that matter because that is an individuals freedom to choose, or don't you leftists believe in an individual rights to choose? Anyway your post brings nothing to the discussion so you can go back to sleep now.

Libnuts are as concerned ab... (Below threshold)
Gianni:

Libnuts are as concerned about the lives of the military as they are about innocent unborn babies.

If the left thinks so highly of the military, ya think they'd ever agree to allow only those in the military to be able to vote for President and Congress?/ Of course they wont.

Way more GOP in the military than Dems, way more.

If libs were so concerned about the military, how come Gore tried to stifle their votesin 2000.

BTW libnuts did people like Chris Reeve walk yet?

hey maggysturn--talk about ... (Below threshold)
jeff:

hey maggysturn--talk about what sacrifice the Bush family has made? What sacrifice have you as an individual made? Aside from those with loved ones in the military, what sacrifices have any of us made. Sheesh. None of us--aside from our miitary--has sacrificed anything. So shut up.

Dang, Chip, you beat me to ... (Below threshold)
ExSubNuke:

Dang, Chip, you beat me to it.

What does Boxer know about ... (Below threshold)
LJD:

What does Boxer know about looking at an empty hole? She must have asked those around her, day in and day out, looking at her...

I noted the word "kidless" ... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

I noted the word "kidless" in the Post headline, but Boxer not quoted as saying it. "No immediate family" (woo-hoo!); it's not like she's being called out for having a Y chromosome.

I think its about time the ... (Below threshold)
epador:

I think its about time the voters of California apologize for electing Barbara Boxer and her ilk.

"Iraq made commit... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:
"Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement." -- Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002

I wonder why Boxer said this knowing it wasn't true. I assume it's because she supported the bombing of Iraq in 1998 using cherry picked intelligence.

In 1998 Butler went into Iraq after the Secretary General negotiated with Saddam on the terms of inspection. They came up with the "Modalities for the Inspection of Sensitive Sites" because Saddam claimed everything was a palace.

The agreement said four inspectors could go in at a time and then bring more in later if they found anything. But Clinton nullified the "Modalities" without Security Council consultation and claimed they were blocked from inspections because Butler would show up with more than the four and demand entrance.

Clinton ordered Butler out and "Operation Desert Fox" began just 12 hours before impeachment proceeding began.

Democrats went to the podium the next morning and demanded impeachment proceedings be held off because we now had a "wartime President".

If this "wag the dog" scenario had worked for Democrats, one wonders how long that operation would have lasted with Barbara Boxer using American military personnel as fodder to protect her political Party.

Frigg'in hypocritical bitch.

What if some Republican had... (Below threshold)

What if some Republican had pulled this at the post-Waco hearings with Janet Reno? A fair number of kids were incinerated at Waco because Reno couldn't just wait the religious fanatics out.

Well, I guess this takes <i... (Below threshold)
Mike:

Well, I guess this takes "it's all about the CHILDREN" to a new low.

Disgusting, boorish Califor... (Below threshold)
bill:

Disgusting, boorish California hippie. Who would want that for a Senator. The more you see, the more you realize how hate filled the Democrats really are.

Yes, let's be "outraged" by... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Yes, let's be "outraged" by this slight, and completely ignore what Bob Novak wrote yesterday:

"Republicans in Congress, who do not want to be quoted, tell me the State Department under Secretary Condoleezza Rice is a mess. That comes at a time when the U.S. global position is precarious. While attention focuses on Iraq, American diplomacy is being tested worldwide -- in Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, Korea and Sudan. The judgment by thoughtful Republicans is that Rice has failed to manage that endeavor."

Let's be more concerned with Condi's capabilities, and less about her feelings.

Libnuts are all about the f... (Below threshold)
Gianni:

Libnuts are all about the feelings arent they?, well, cept for the unborn, and the military they slander continually, and the blks theyve exploited for decades, and, and and........

I wonder, if what really is... (Below threshold)
aRepukelican:

I wonder, if what really is sticking in the collective craws of the Wizchoir is the tongue-lashing Condi got from Senator Hagel when he told her in extremely harsh words that this Bush policy of "augmentation" (lol) is the most dangerous thing since Viet Nam.

GO Barbara!!! The Christian... (Below threshold)
jenna:

GO Barbara!!! The Christian Fright is really going to have an anyuerism when they find out Ms Rice's female roommate isn't just a "friend" , wink wink... Ms Boxer almost let the cat out of the bag..save it for 08, Barb

As a member of the Wizchoir... (Below threshold)
Diane:

As a member of the Wizchoir, I say Senator Hagel's "tongue lashing" of Rice is meaningless. He ranks right up (er, down) there with Senator Boxer. Hagel has not spoken for the majority of Republicans/conservatives basically ever. He gets television time for that very reason. Have you not figured this out?

And Jenna, I have several gay friends who are Christian & gasp....Republican!!! Many gays don't believe in or want gay marriage.

I have this dream where Con... (Below threshold)
MunDane:

I have this dream where Condi blasts back at Sen Boxer:

"Yeah, well, what about your great grandfather and his money to finance bringing over my people as slaves you honky white bit*h!"

But COndi would never do that. SHe has class.

Senator Boxer is a twit at ... (Below threshold)

Senator Boxer is a twit at best, and a sanctimonious moron at worst - and I think we're seeing her at her worst.

I thought the women's movement was all about CHOICE?

Clearly ONLY the Dems are entitled to freedom of speech, choice about whether or not to marry or bear children.

AND WHAT IN THE NAME OF HELL DO THE BUSH TWINS HAVE TO DO WITH THIS POST? Knee jerk idiots have invaded and are pushing their brainless jingoism!

Gayle MillerFYI:</... (Below threshold)
aRepukelican:

Gayle Miller

FYI:

jingoism

noun
1. an appeal intended to arouse patriotic emotions [syn: flag waving]
2. fanatical patriotism [syn: chauvinism]

WordNet® 2.1, © 2005 Princeton University

Update: AJ Strata is spo... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:

Update: AJ Strata is spot on when he places Boxer's comments in the larger picture

Excellent retort: Boxer seems content on allowing those families of the fallen to be known as those that "died in vain" then those that "made the ultimate sacrifice" for this country.

So every time a Democrat speaks of using the military all we have to do it ask if they have a family member serving and if not they can kindly STFU. Hey, they are the ones that moved the goal posts on this one.

puke:Allow me to s... (Below threshold)

puke:

Allow me to spell it out for you since you can't figure it out for yourself. Brainless jingoism = "If you're such a patriot, send your own kids to war or go yourself."

Barney,I agree. It ... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

Barney,
I agree. It would be appropriate to focus on Condi's capabilities. It would have been appropriate for Boxer to do the same. However, this does not detract from the fact that Boxer's comment remains relatively tasteless.

I can't wait till the next ... (Below threshold)
LibsMakeMePuke:

I can't wait till the next big one and California drops off into the pacific and my Nevada property becomes beach front.

Whoever said the dems were ... (Below threshold)
Jo:

Whoever said the dems were really scraping the bottom of the barrel this time were wrong.

Dems ARE the bottom of the barrel. No scraping needed.

The queen of abortion bemoa... (Below threshold)
914:

The queen of abortion bemoaning the loss of children?

What a pathetic ghoul.

Obviously one can't defend ... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Obviously one can't defend Boxer's comments but equally indefensible are Rice's : In the same Senatorial hearing ...Hagel, a Vietnam veteran, angrily condemned the "escalation" of the war. "To ask our young men and women to sacrifice their lives to be put in the middle of a civil war is . . . morally wrong. It's tactically, strategically, militarily wrong."

"I don't see it, and the president doesn't see it, as an escalation," Rice replied.

Hagel looked stunned. "Putting 22,000 new troops, more troops in, is not an escalation?"

"Escalation is not just a matter of how many numbers you put in," Rice ventured.

"Would you call it a decrease?" Hagel pressed.

"I would call it, Senator, an augmentation.

This euphemism ranks along side "her birth pangs "remarks about the heavy Israeli bombing reprisals in Lebanon, last summer. Sometimes, I do wonder where Rice's rather cool dispassionate choice of language comes from?

This whole story is complet... (Below threshold)
aRepukelican:

This whole story is complete horseshit.

I've been listening to the Laura Lingam radio show & twice heard her play the so-called offensive comment by Boxer.

It sure as hell has no tenor whatsoever compared to the way Kim has portrayed it. In fact, it's delivered in a relatively mild, even-dpoken manner in which Boxer simply makes the point that neither she nor Rice have loved ones at stake.

It certainly no where near the way Kim & the other wingnut bloggers make it sound in print.

Kim's attempt to color this story is just blather designed to ring the bells of the right & the Wizpuppies, who predictably, are salivating on cue.

There won't be an apology b... (Below threshold)
jpe:

There won't be an apology because there's nothing to apologize for. Now back to your regularly scheduled outrage.

The dhimmi's aren't scrapin... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

The dhimmi's aren't scraping the bottom of the barrel. We now know they live in the bottom of the barrel with Charlie The Tuna, and Charlie isn't required to pay the new minimum wage. Actually the fish and the dhimmi's in the bottom of the barrel are both rotten to the core.

Well I guess the worlds embassy workers can board up the windows again. Over 5 years without an attack on American Interest outside the war zones. One week of the cut and run dhimmi's and the attacks are back.
Did anyone expect anything different?

Scrapironloved you... (Below threshold)
aRepukelican:

Scrapiron

loved your assessment of the Athens Embassy attack.

Now, do you remember where you put your droolcup?

aRepukelican,"You ca... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

aRepukelican,
"You can't begin to imagine how you celebrate any holiday or birthday. There's an absence. It's not like the person's never been there. They always were there, and now they're not, and you're looking at an empty hole."

It matters little to me the volume with which she voiced this statement. The statement is condescending/grandstanding. I know from reading you frequently here that if this had been voiced by a Republican panel member to a Democratic Secretary of State you would be frothing over the questioner's tactic - can't deny that. Whether Boxer knows it or not, the loss felt by a family is the same whether the parents supported their son's/daughter's presence in Iraq or not. The statement seems to have no relationship to the success or failure of this troop surge as ordered by Bush.

The politics of personal de... (Below threshold)
blackcat77:

The politics of personal destruction is wrong. But let's try to maintain some perspective here -- the Republican hatchet job on all things Clinton makes Boxer's boorish remarks look like nothing at all.

Boxer is one of the dumbest... (Below threshold)

Boxer is one of the dumbest people on Capitol Hill. She was one of the dumbest in the House, and held the position in the Senate for a time - until Patty Murray joined the club.

Now she adds "one of the nastiest" to her resume, not that anyone doubted it.

Nice to see a lefty or two piping up in her defense, to remind us what sort of people THEY are, too.

Chip, thanks for the post.<... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

Chip, thanks for the post.

As for the Bush twins serving, well if necessary they can claim part of my '22' years of all volunteer military service as their own, I'll throw in part of the 8 years as a volunteer EMT and 12 years and counting as a volunteer firefighter. I always thought I was volunteering so others wouldn't be forced to serve. No draft. Was that wrong.

Someone else throw in a share and they can apply for retirement.

ROFL

Enough posters have already pointed out that aRepukelican is a sicko so no need for further comment.

The dhimmi's aren't scr... (Below threshold)
Jo:

The dhimmi's aren't scraping the bottom of the barrel. We now know they live in the bottom of the barrel with Charlie The Tuna, and Charlie isn't required to pay the new minimum wage. Actually the fish and the dhimmi's in the bottom of the barrel are both rotten to the core

Scrappy, that was an excellent way to incorporate two latest dhimmi outrages in one post.

I guess when Nancy said she was cleaning out the House, she didn't mean the dhimmi closets.

Conceded: Barbara Boxer is ... (Below threshold)
Larkin:

Conceded: Barbara Boxer is a dope.

But isn't this something we should really be debating:

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Two out of three Americans oppose President Bush's plan to send more troops to Iraq, a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll released Friday indicates. Nearly two-thirds of those polled also say Bush has no clear plan for Iraq.
Dave DIt's unlikel... (Below threshold)
aRepukelican:

Dave D

It's unlikely that I would be trying to defend a "Who-could-have-imagined-that-planes-would-be- used-as-missles" Secretary of State who beguilingly "augments" 22K troops to harm's way as casually as Rice discussed the matter in the hearings.

On the other hand, Boxer's words were proximately, "I don't have children or grand-children nor do you who will be affected by this troop increase." Then she described the pain of the loss of a child.

The Wizwhinies are just, as Mammy says, "sittin' there waitin' like a spider... " for anything your Pavlovian bloggers can ring up to getting you all to salivate and slobber on cue.

As Scarlet might have said, "Droolcup sales oughta be sky-high this year.

GO Barbara!!! The ... (Below threshold)
GO Barbara!!! The Christian Fright is really going to have an anyuerism when they find out...

Moby alert.

But let's try to m... (Below threshold)
But let's try to maintain some perspective here -- the Republican hatchet job on all things Clinton

...are pretty small potatoes compared to the the ceaseless Democratic hatchet jobs on Reagan and all things Republican during the 1980s.

...not to mention the Paul Begala-Lanny Davis-James Carville Smear Machine whose job it was to destroy any and all of Bill Clinton's accusers and critics.

The trouble with you, blackcat, is that you have a very selective memory and it only goes back about 8-10 years.

Boxer was right on. Condi d... (Below threshold)
kylie:

Boxer was right on. Condi deserves alot more disrespect than what she got from Barbara Boxer. Hopefully it'll get alot more ugly. If we're really lucky, maybe we can make Condi cry! WAAAAAA1

Cry like pothead burnout ... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

Cry like pothead burnout Boxer did? The whiny bitch was begging people to vote democrat on Cris Matthews show live at some University , Pathetic.
Apologize you stupid democrat bitch! You are a sniveling disgrace.

Also on Capital Hill yeste... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Also on Capital Hill yesterday, Gates, just three weeks on the job, told lawmakers,
"I would confess I'm no expert on Iraq." Later, asked about reaching the right balance between American and Iraqi forces, he told the panel he was "no expert on military matters."

He is 'no expert on military matters or Iraq.' That is comforting to hear from our new Defense Secretary. This must be some of Kim's leadership 'wisdom and insight' that the Democrats so obviously lack, if they were to assume command roles.

"a CNN/Opinion Research Cor... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

"a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll released Friday indicates."

Stupid people who can't think for themselves and too lazy to fact check the lying democrat media. Oh ya , keep forgetting it wouldn't make any difference. Facts mean nothing to the racist Anti-American party of Rats. The Democrats were right about one thing , YOU PEOPLE "ARE" STUPID.

"He is 'no expert on mili... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

"He is 'no expert on military matters or Iraq."

And the democrats overwhelmingly voted him right it.

Rob, excellent point. Stev... (Below threshold)
Jo:

Rob, excellent point. Steve Crickmore, you lose.

I hear even some democrats are embarrassed by Boxer's comments. Wow. Democrats embarrassed by their own. Now that's quite an accomplishment. Way to go Babs.

One reason you get crazy po... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

One reason you get crazy poll results is that the lib Press won't fully and fairly explain our tactics now, and the change Bush proposed. You can't expect a bunch of Vietnam War throw-backs like Pinch Sulzberger to do that, not if you're realistic.

Correction to the above: Barbara Boxer is the stupidest Senator second only to Sgt. Hagel.

That was why, Rob. After a... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

That was why, Rob. After all, he's much more likely to screw things up if he doesn't have any experience in military matters, so Bush will look even worse!

BWAHAHAHAHA (*gasp*choke*)

You know, if this were a novel I'd have tossed it away by now. I wouldn't believe that ANY group would be so short-sighted and vindictive when the stakes are so high.

Rob La Ca.Is this 'wisdom... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Rob La Ca.Is this 'wisdom or insight' or just plain 'stupidity' or more accurately obsequiousness to the Presidental authority, however unconstitutional ..Lifted from glenn greenwld's blog today "during the Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing in April 2006:
"When pressed by Senator Paul Sarbanes about whether the administration can exercise a military option (in the context of Iran) without an authorization from Congress, Rice replied, "The president never takes any option off the table, and he shouldn't."..
So the president according to Rice, dosn't need congressional authorization to attack Iran or Syria or perhaps any other country the president feels is a threat..No wonder many Democrat and Republican senators
are angy at what they see as Rice's high handedness and confirmed easily, the less imperious, less arrogant more convival Gates. During his Senate confirmation hearing he had this exchange with Senator Bryrd
BYRD: Do you believe the president has the authority, under either the 9/11 war resolution or the Iraq war resolution, to attack Iran or to attack Syria?

GATES: To the best of my knowledge of both of those authorizations, I don't believe so.

Wow, Steve I thought you we... (Below threshold)
LJD:

Wow, Steve I thought you were smarter than that. Are you saying that attacks on American troops in Iraq, coming from IRan, should not be dealt with until we get Congressional authority? How long does that take, and how many more IEDs kill our guys int he process?

LJD..I have linked to Glenn... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

LJD..I have linked to Glenn Greenwald but the Presdident must presumbly show that our troops are under attack (or direct threat) and then "the War Powers Act of 1973 -- enacted over the veto of Richard Nixon -- requires the President to obtain authorization from Congress if military forces are to be deployed for greater than 60 days" Apparently even Cheney feels this is too confining...

Oregon Muse: I remember th... (Below threshold)
blackcat77:

Oregon Muse: I remember the Reagan administration very well. They didn't call him "Teflon Ron" for nothing, you know -- his leadership was far from perfect and Iran-Contra made Monicarama look like, well, little more than just a tawdry affair. But while Bill, Hillary and even Chelsea will be forever stigmatized by the attacks of the Republican smear machine, there probably isn't one person in ten who could even tell you what Iran-Contra was about or that Reagan's minions deliberately delayed the release of our hostages in Iran for political advantage. So ultimately this comes down to how effective any effort to wreck a reputation was, and Reagan is considered to be nothing less than a political saint without having done anything to deserve it other than give really terrific speeches.

Blackcat, there were onl... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

Blackcat, there were only two things that concerned one BJ Clinton. The constant polishing of his pecker and his polls. That is his legacy.

Figures lie and liars figur... (Below threshold)

Figures lie and liars figure. I don't believe opinion polls EVER.

Other than creating the climate that brought the end of the USSR, naw, President Reagan didn't do anything - except have a clear and CONSISTENT vision of what he wanted to accomplish and then setting out to do it.

Let's see - what were William Jefferson Clinton's goals? I think they were as follows: keep Hillary off his back by putting her on the health care scheme, get laid by interns and, when absolutely necessary, distract everyone by bombing an aspirin factory in the Sudan! Yeah, history is going to treat him really, really well. After all, he did accomplish 2 of the 3 goals.

Rob LA Ca: Thank you for m... (Below threshold)
blackcat77:

Rob LA Ca: Thank you for making my point. He served as president for 8 years and your image of him is his extra-curricular activities over a few weeks. That's how effectively the Republican propagandists defined him in the minds of the public. But the foibles of Reagan are completely forgotten.

Hey Blackcat , Gayle Mill... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

Hey Blackcat , Gayle Miller is 100% correct and you are wrong. I voted for Clinton and I later found out on my own what a slimy lying POS the Clintons are. Facts are facts and you are too dumb and or ashamed to admit it. That's your problem. Democrats are lying criminal frauds and you are a willing accomplice.

Barbar Boxer was too KIND!!... (Below threshold)
Padima:

Barbar Boxer was too KIND!!! Let's get it out there. Condi is a LESBIAN. Condi's GAY. Condi has a GIRLFRIEND and they were KISSING. What are all the crackpot christians going to say when this is trotted out there? The religous nutjobs on the right can't spin their way out of Condi's empty womb!!!!

"Let's get it out there."</... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

"Let's get it out there."

What? more barking moonbats. More lies , propaganda and irrelevant information to add to the democrats perpetual fraud and outrage.

"The religous nutjobs on the right can't spin their way out of Condi's empty womb!!!!"

What hypocrisy coming from the party of baby killers. It's empty because she is not pregnant. What is your excuse for having an empty skull lamebrain?

Rob LA Ca: You "fell" for C... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

Rob LA Ca: You "fell" for Clinton?? What a moron!

KimWhere are yo... (Below threshold)
aRepukelican:

Kim

Where are you about uncovering the real slime scandal that is the oil resource development legislation before the Iraqi Parliament; legislation that will give Exxon & Chevron as well as Royal Dutch Shell and BP control of Iraqi oil for 20 years at a dirt cheap level price?

Wanna look at whether or not "Blood for Oil is a legitimate charge and find out what country is trying to keep the lid on this information???????

If outrage is to your liking, check out and post on this story while you defend Condi's Augmentation.
HINT: Check out McCafferty on The Situation Room.

bryanD, "You "f... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

bryanD,

"You "fell" for Clinton?? What a moron!"

No dummy , I just voted for him to because that is who my mother votes for and to get my mother off my back years ago. It's called ignorance, what's your excuse?

It's called ignorance</i... (Below threshold)
mantis:

It's called ignorance

Well, at least he's aware of his problem. Time for the next step...

"Check out McCafferty on Th... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

"Check out McCafferty on The Situation Room."

More democrat Media propaganda. McCafferty is an asshole and an idiot.CNN has zero credibility. They worked for Sadam and made a deal with him. Your a rusted useless tool, go jump in a barrel of oil.

Condi has a GIRLF... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:
Condi has a GIRLFRIEND and they were KISSING

Go on, go on.....then what happened? Don't leave us all here hanging.

They didn't call h... (Below threshold)
They didn't call him "Teflon Ron" for nothing, you know --

Yeah, well, too bad his "teflon" didn't rub off on Robert Bork. You remember Judge Bork, don't you? He's the judicial nominee whose record the Democrats lied about, distorted, and misrepresented in one of the most outrageous smear campaigns ever.

And don't get me started on Ray Donovan.

But while Bill, Hillary and even Chelsea will be forever stigmatized by the attacks of the Republican smear machine,

Oh, please. I'm calling bullshit on this one. Name me ONE example of Chelsea Clinton being attacked by the "Republican smear machine." And I'm not talking about a talk-show host somewhere making an offhand remark, or something Robert Tyrell once wrote. I mean some Washington DC GOP functionary making an outrageous sleazy attack on Chelsea of the same kind that Clinton's authorized spokespeople were making on Paula Jones, or Ken Starr or anyone else that they viewed as a threat.

...or that Reagan's minions deliberately delayed the release of our hostages in Iran for political advantage.

What are you talking about?? "Reagan's minions"? The Iranian hostasge crisis occured during Carter's presidency, not Reagan's. Reagan wasn't in a position to delay anything.

What utter bullshit.

But isn't this som... (Below threshold)
But isn't this something we should really be debating:

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Two out of three Americans oppose President Bush's plan to send more troops to Iraq...

Are you saying that foreign policy decisions should be subject to a popular vote?

Muse:Oh, how about L... (Below threshold)
blackcat77:

Muse:
Oh, how about Limbaugh calling her "the White House dog"? Or that ridiculous fuss about the photo of her which was supposed to be too revealing? I also seem to recall some fuss about her studying overseas. There were all sorts of things.

And I'm aware that Carter was the president when the hostages were taken, but there's a long-standing theory that Reagan's people struck a deal with the hostage-takers to not release them prior to Carter leaving office.

Link here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis
(scroll down to "October surprise")

Don't you think it's a little more than just a coincidence that they were released within minutes of Reagan taking the oath of office?

Oh, how about Limb... (Below threshold)
OregonMuse:
Oh, how about Limbaugh calling her "the White House dog"?

As I said in my last comment, and which I'll cut and paste here, I'm not talking about a talk-show host somewhere making an offhand remark, or something Robert Tyrell once wrote. I mean some Washington DC GOP functionary making an outrageous sleazy attack on Chelsea of the same kind that Clinton's authorized spokespeople were making on Paula Jones, or Ken Starr or anyone else that they viewed as a threat.

You're blowing smoke, blackcat.

And by the way, I will concede that a number of conservatives went waaaaay over the top back in the 90s accusing President Clinton of all sorts of nefarious deeds, like drug running out of the Mena, Arkansas* airport and murder of various political opponents. Which is while I smile every time I hear stock moonbat phrases such as "BushCo", "Bushitler", "the Bush crime family" and the like coming from koolaid drinking idiots on your side of the aisle.

But, moving on:

but there's a long-standing theory that Reagan's people struck a deal with the hostage-takers to not release them prior to Carter leaving office.

You meed to provide actual evidence for this theory. From the wikipedia link you provided:

Although U.S. Senate and House of Representatives investigations in the 1990s declared the allegations to be unfounded, the conspiracy's existence or lack thereof remains a subject of debate.

In other words, tin-foil hat moonbats are keeping this fantasy alive, despite the lack of evidence for it. If you have any, I'd like to hear it.

But I think you're blowing smoke on this one, too.

*incidentally, I first heard of drug running out of the Mena airport from lefty conspirazoids back in the 80s, when they were accusing President Reagan and Oliver North of all sorts of crimes and nefarious murders and shady dealings as part of the Iran Contra brouhaha.

All of this is speculative ... (Below threshold)
blackcat77:

All of this is speculative so really no point in going further beyond my saying that Rush Limbaugh IS a "GOP functionary." By his own admission, he changed his commentaries so as not to hurt Republican candidates this last election.

What Boxer said to C... (Below threshold)
Makan:


What Boxer said to Condisleeze Rice may have been offensive and some think she needs to apologize.
Apologize for what? Telling it like it is.

When will the Bush Nazis apologize to the brain dead American sheep about the lies behind going into Iraq? Where are the weapons of mass destruction? Where is the link of Saddam to Osama and al-Qaida?
I suggest some of you go to the National Archives and download the photo of Rumsfeld shaking Saddam's hand in Dec. 1983. The first of many meetings between Reagan's boys and Saddam. And what about Robert Gates connection to Saddam.
It was the US in May 1985, that supplied Saddam with chemical agents that were used against Iran.
43 countries supplied war materials to both Iran and Iraq in their 10 year war.
Who profits? Some of you with your comments here need to wake up and educate yourself.
Going to Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity or Bill O'Reilly is not going to cut it. They along with several other shills are disinformation agents for the Bush-Cheney Crime, Drug and Fraud Regime.
Screw the apologizes for Rice. Let her go back and play the piano.
She is one lying, deceitful NEOCON and is also backed by AIPAC.
Next stop for the Project for the New American Century will be Iran, Syria, Somalia, etc.
Its all about controlling those regions. And its all about securing OIL for the future.

How to sell a war to the pu... (Below threshold)
Ed:

How to sell a war to the public.

Its all about the right public relations.

Hitler and Goebbels both read Edward L. Bernays'
1928 Propaganda.
Karl Rove was an admirer of Bernays techniques.

Watch the video and learn:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14800.htm

Makan , You calling me a... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

Makan , You calling me a nazi? You unAmerican Commycrat swine. Screw you. Human waste like you should be rounded up and disposed of like the trash that you are. You are hateful racist pig and the Communist/Socialist/Marxist/Traitors all allign themselves with your party of criminal frauds and you enbrace them.

Shut your stupid trap. Your nothing but an idiot who can't think for yourself. Keep repeating your masters talking points , there is more hope in Iraq than there is for your hopeless ass. What do you think of Hitlery shaking the hand of New Yorks biggest Coccaine dealer and taking money from him. Or did she get busted and have to give it back?
Loser.

Uh oh folks, the Hitler Zom... (Below threshold)
epador:

Uh oh folks, the Hitler Zombie has taken at least two more victims. Put on your tin foil hats and hang garlic around your doors.

In spite of every rebuttal ... (Below threshold)
snowballs:

In spite of every rebuttal listed above, I agree, an apology is needed. Even if it's not publicized, Senator Boxer needs to give a call to the Secretary's office and apologize and/or explain her comments.

That said, I'm not so sure that what Boxer said is what everyone [right and left] is interpreting it to mean. I'm not really sure why I'm thinking that, but I gathered that from listening to the actual comment.

But then again, that particular portion of the comment had nothing to do with the discussion. So, if it is a personal attack as such, I'm sure Dr. Rice can handle it and won't hold her breath waiting for Boxer's explanation.

As an American, I'm proud of Dr. Rice.

To Rob LA Ca.You wro... (Below threshold)
Makan:

To Rob LA Ca.
You wrote: I voted for Clinton and I later found out on my own what a slimy lying POS the Clintons are.

Talk about stupid. I didn't vote for either one of the top three parties running. They are all scumbags controlled by the ruling class. The Clintons are just as low as your Bush Nazis. Lowlife scum.


You sure are hot under the collar to jump on anyone who questions your comments at this site.
Who the fuck are you? Some disinfo agent or plain old stupid SOB.
Your rants sound like the whining we get from O'Reilly, Savage, Limbaugh and the rest of the right wing trash that spew the Bush-Cheney lies.
Temper tantrums and the rest one see in the ignorant and immature.

And talk about loser. You need to get out of LA and inhale some cleaner air. Your brain cells are being fried by all the shit in the Calli-fornia air.

Your head is your house, furnish it. Arabian Proverb

Hello to Arnold the Nazi for me. Aye loser.

I would say I have t... (Below threshold)
Melvin:


I would say I have to laugh and even shake my head at some of the comments here.

Specifically see that LA Rob is the house expert on this particular topic. Not content with any of your comments here. Are you an expert on matters pertaining to Mr. Carter?
Maybe he could run for public office and make as ass of himself.

A suggestion for you Mr. LA.

Check out these web sites after you wake up.

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node
http://www.voxfux.com/
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/index.html
http://www.geocities.com/northstarzone/TV.html
http://www.rinf.com/

epador -I'm fresh ... (Below threshold)
Jlawson:

epador -

I'm fresh out of garlic. Will scallions and limberger cheese do? :)

Are you saying that fore... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Are you saying that foreign policy decisions should be subject to a popular vote?

No one said that. But our politicians represent "the people". They need to consider the will of the people in their decisions, or convince us why we're wrong. "Trust me" doesn't meet either of those criteria.

blackcat:It's now ... (Below threshold)

blackcat:

It's now obvious that you got nuthin'. Thanks for playing, though.

"spew the Bush-Cheney ... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

"spew the Bush-Cheney lies."

Really, name one.Bush has no reason to lie. On the other hand , democrats lie pretty much everytime their democrat media gives them free airtime. The Democrat Party is a lie. Democrats have no morals and ethics ? Ya right. Why are the democrats always so angry and attacking Bush? So much hate and anger and bogus claims of lies. Grow up , you made the choice to support the party of perpetual fraud. Tiring isn't it having to defend a party of liberal liars?

"Your rants sound like the ... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

"Your rants sound like the whining we get from O'Reilly, Savage, Limbaugh and the rest of the right wing trash that spew the Bush-Cheney lies."

You think democrats don't tell lies? Just everybody else ? You are a tool who has brain damage or has been brain washed. Isn't time for the Rats to "re-invent" themselves again? What hypocracy, only the party of racists have a black caucus. Democrats are nothing but a bunch of activist groups , separated just like they have separated the Country.

You can't stand those mentioned above because they expose the democrats for what they are and debunk all your lies and because you can't beat them in any debate especially when they beat your behinds with facts and your own words.

For the Bush expert in LA. ... (Below threshold)
Teh:

For the Bush expert in LA. Rob the Genius.

I realize that you probably have finally risen to another smoggy morning in the City of Angels.
Onto your buddy in the Monkey House.

You rant and rail about Democrats lying all the time.
Then you write the following.

Really, name one.Bush has no reason to lie.

Question for you Robby Boy?

Where are all those Weapons of Mass Destruction that the Chimp, Cheney., Rice, Powell and the rest of the Neocons and P.R. boys sold the dumb ass public? I still waiting to know. Yes, nearly 4 years later and thousands dead and many more wounded and/or suffering from the effects of DEPELETED URANIUM. Maybe you could tell us where those missing WMD's are.

"Today the world faces a single man armed with weapons
of mass destruction, manifesting an aggressive,
bullying attitude, who may well plunge the world into
chaos and bloodshed if he miscalculates. This per son,
belligerent, arrogant and sure of himself, truly is
the most dangerous person on Earth. The problem is
that his name is George W. Bush, and he is our
president." --Jack M. Balkin, Knight Professor of
Constitutional Law and the First Amendment at Yale Law
School. September 22, 2002 (Quote courtesy of empireindustries.com

If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator.
...President G. W. Bush on CNN, 18 Dec 2000...


"If the American people knew what we have done, they would string us up from the lamp posts." ----George Herbert Walker Bush


I think those WMD's are in George the Warrior's little mind and also inside yours.

They are all fucking liars. Get with it.

I fully support Barbara Box... (Below threshold)
DebzLogic:

I fully support Barbara Boxer..I've called and told her so. We need to fight fire with fire. "Outrage' yeah right! Nothing's working...put a fork in it....you right wing freaks are so goin' down! YES!

Senator Boxer, although fun... (Below threshold)
Gunny:

Senator Boxer, although fundamentally valid in her pointed frustration, was more of a grand stander in addressing Secretary Rice. Who pays the price; was her banter, but what exactly was her point? Why was she acting like she was engaged in caring for the concerns of our countries patriots. Where was Senator Boxer when terrorism was known throughout the eight years of the Clinton Presidency? This is not simply a matter of winning freedom for Iraq. If we can not launch operations from a friendly ally in the Middle East we are going to be in deep trouble when Iran and Syria escalate the threat; and 'yes' they will escalate the threat. We need an ally in that geographical location if we want the ability to react when threatened by Middle East extremist.

My heart breaks for those in harms way; and the children and loved ones who suffer. However, we do not honor or help them by tearing our country apart in political debate. If Boxer really wanted to help the situation she would need to find a way to unite this country; a campaign that spurs this nation towards a collective stand. Terrorism is not going to go away... even the President stated, during the early days of 911, that this fight will be ours, our children's, and our children's children, to fight. Wake up! 'Career politicians;' this American feels you are a part of the problem.

It is time for senators and congressmen to quite running for office while using the Presidency as a scapegoat. They need to do a better job supporting this country. We are at war and politicians need to take up arms against the enemy; not wage war against their own countrymen. Our governing officials should be helping the enlistment efforts; after all, they are also paid to serve. I am tired of their aristocratic pedestals and feel its time they start earning that fat pay check, benefit package, and 'pork feed' job security.

Why would any elected official point out the fact that other nations are holding back their support? Get real... this nation has always given more towards the pursuit of world freedom; that is what sets us apart. Wake up! It is time to quit filling the media with pessimistic commentaries that only weaken our countries posture; if the world has no respect for us, the congress, senate, and every condescending American is responsible.

It is my prayer that a shift of spirit and resolve will sweep upon this great nation so that every American will realize the need to get involved and support efforts towards global stabilization. If a past mistake needs to be mentioned it should be the failure, after 911, to involve the public. Telling Americans to go about their business as usual was a mistake. In stead, Americans should have been instructed in ways to become involved; much like the efforts during World War II. Failing to involve every American was the biggest mistake.

Do not waste our time, Senator Boxer, with your unprofessional outbursts, aimed at the heart strings of Americans. These are the times when the tough need to get tougher and we 'all' need to get behind the efforts to stop the insane 'world violence' that will, if not dealt with, bring this great nation to its knees. Make no mistake, all you on the hilltops of society, it is not the warriors, or their families, that do a disservice to this nation; instead, as Senator Boxer alluded, it is those that do not have any vested interest or are not choosing to "Pay the Price." In World War II the home front united and collectively sacrificed to win; where is that commitment now?

God Bless America

Apologize to Rice?... (Below threshold)
914:

Apologize to Rice?

How about the execution of millions of babies that She is complicit in?

For the Bush expert in L... (Below threshold)
Rob La CA MF:

For the Bush expert in LA. Rob the Genius.

Yes, I am a genius!!! And I'm really smart and important, and I hate democrats almost as much as I hate women!! But I love men! Ohh, give me big, hunky man and have him lie around my cool LA pad.

But I hate democrats!!! Screw you, democrats!!! George W. Bush is Godlike and I don't care what you say about him. I'm so gullible I'll believe every lie the President tells me because I like to have him give it to me. Boy, am I stupid!!!

What barbara boxer said was... (Below threshold)
cutter:

What barbara boxer said was fact, As a matter of fact I bet Condoleezza Rice never put her life on the line to fight a war that she had no choice in. Oh and hey if everyone is so for this war then go join, no ones stopping you, but don't commit our men and women so freely if your not willing to do the same.

Great comment there Rob. <b... (Below threshold)
Arnold:

Great comment there Rob.
I had an inkling that you have sex problems.
I suggest you call up Georgie Boy and possibly he can set you up with the eunuch Karl Rove and their mutual partner Jeff Gannon.
Otherwise known as the White House Whore.

I see you fit right in with the Repug pedophiles in Washington.
What a useless piece of shit.

Apologize for what? Making... (Below threshold)
Ant:

Apologize for what? Making Condi look bad? Maybe the Bush admin should have thought of that before having all those kids (who aren't their kids) get killed for what?...weapons of mass destruction...Saddam Hussein...War on Terror...oh..wait..I remember, OIL!
Its Condi and Bush who should be apologizing to the American public for their treachery.
You people are sick to think that Boxer's question deserves an apology. You are the same people who simply want to keep up the status quo and send the poor people's kids to go fight YOUR war.
Judgment will not come soon enough for all of you.

One more thing...all of you... (Below threshold)
Ant:

One more thing...all of you sicko's who keep bringing up abortion and such to take swings at what you call "the left" (really, anyone opposed to the war) have the same blood on your hands. Your Republican and Congress did NOTHING about it...instead opting to send people who were born to die. No Republican has the right to call, much less imply, that someone else is a hypocrite.

To all you stupid ... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:


To all you stupid delinquent punk ass democrat blood farts.(You know who you are) Read it and weep liars and losers. You are what you are , deal with it shitheads.

•" Whereas the Iraq Liberation Act (Public Law 105-338) expressed the sense of Congress that it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove from power the current Iraqi regime and promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime.


"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998


"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998


"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001


"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002



"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002"


And here is a final Fuck You, in your face , what a burn, you've been dissed and YOU LOSE!

• "Whereas it is in the national security of the United States to restore international peace and security to the Persian Gulf region.

In fact, the word "imminent" doesn't appear in the resolution at all. Neither does "stockpile." Just another figment of the Dems' Weapons of Mass Disinformation."

More ranting bullshit from ... (Below threshold)
Al:

More ranting bullshit from Rob.
We know you don't like the Democrats and woman.

Have you ever heard of public relations?

The Demos are playing the same game the the RePukes are. Its all part of the show.

The joke is on you, Robby boy.
Go back to your closet and enjoy your pimp.

If I ever see your sorry ass in Asia, I will make sure the locals "do you right" and send you back to LA in a body bag.

You right wing piece of shit.

As someone who stumbled upo... (Below threshold)
switzerland:

As someone who stumbled upon this site accidently, I think the hate quotient goes both ways. Frankly, if y'all would read back through this thread, you would find plenty of hate to go around from both "sides".

That said, there appears to be more name-calling flowing from right to left, although that could be perhaps because this is obviously a site begun by a right-leaning individual. I have not as yet been able to decide whether more of you gang up on those in the minority or whether you are angry that those from the left have the temerity to post on "your" site.

I have read both right-wing and left-wing sites, and one thing that y'all do agree upon is that for the most part, the American public is numbed-out (by pharmaceuticals and/or television) and non-thinking. Think of that!! A commonly-held belief!!

More ranting bullsh... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

More ranting bullshit from Rob.
We know you don't like the Democrats and woman.

Screw you, dickhead Al! What's it to you if I like men. It's my business! Personally, I'm not embarrassed by my homosexuality like you Dem nazi scum.

My tiny penis could beat yours in a sword fight anyday.

Jay or Lorie, ... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

Jay or Lorie,

I hope you find and ban this punks IP address who is getting off with himself.

"If I ever see your sorry ass in Asia, I will make sure the locals "do you right" and send you back to LA in a body bag.

You right wing piece of shit.
Posted by: Al at January 15, 2007 11:04 AM "

" More ranting bullshit from Rob.
We know you don't like the Democrats and woman.

Screw you, dickhead Al! What's it to you if I like men. It's my business! Personally, I'm not embarrassed by my homosexuality like you Dem nazi scum.

My tiny penis could beat yours in a sword fight anyday.
Posted by: Rob LA Ca. at January 15, 2007 01:22 PM"

Al , if you ever see my face ,it will be the last thing you'll ever see. Threaten my life to my face you cowardly fraud.

A democrat troll admits defeat when he has to impersonate the one kicking their ass with the facts.

I came to this website via ... (Below threshold)
Janet:

I came to this website via another one.
Can't believe the garbage on this post.

This is for sure one I won't bookmark. Too many right wing lunatics commenting on nothing of value.
We go from Barbara Boxer's comment about the Lizard Queen, Condoleeza Rice to this Closet Queen in Los Angeles waving his petite penis around.
While you are fighting amongst yourselves in trivial matters, the scumbags running your country are destroying it before your eyes.
In any event, seems that more people living outside of the USA see how dumbddowned many of those in America are.

As I have pointed out to many, America is a nation of crybabies and whiners. Apathy is their biggest disease.

Get a life before your United States of Aggression become the Police States of Amerika.

You can start by going to Frosty Wooldridge's web site NewsWithViews.com

Thanks for playing Jane... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

Thanks for playing Janet and contributing to the democrat fraud . Your fooling nobody as you well know that many of the whiners and cry babies disgracing this site are infantile democrat trolls behaving just like their leadership.

Frankly, if you "I can't im... (Below threshold)
John T:

Frankly, if you "I can't imagine anyone saying anything more reprehensible or cruel", you are both lacking in imagination and unfamiliar with the text of most speeches delivered by George Bush during his administration.

Despite the way you tried to present this as Boxer saying Rice could not imagine how to celebrate common household events because she is childless, it is clear to any impartial observer that in fact she was saying that no one who will not lose a family member to war (and in this she includes herself) can imagine how the family would enjoy life after such an event.

In fact, cowhere could any reasonable, impartial person find in that statement an implication that Rice is incapable of leading or making decisions because she is a single, childless female. The Republican spin on this is, like the targeting of Kerry's botched joke about Bush being stuck in Iraq due to his (NOT the troops) like of education and knowledge, an attempt to make the public think the person said something they didn't.

It's typical NeoCon underhandedness. If you can't win on the issue, make up a lie. And it's particularly pernicious, perhaps to the point of libel, in this case, as it attempts to paint a female liberal as anti-feminist.

And this is just dead wrong... (Below threshold)
John T:

And this is just dead wrong:

"Drunk drivers cause useless losses. They make others 'pay a price'. Criminals make others 'pay a price'. What has been happening on the battlefields of late is a 'sacrifice'. '

Yes, what is happening is a sacrifice, and a noble one on the part of the person making it. It is, though, also "paying a price" for both soldier and family. It is to be hoped that it is the price we pay for having a free country and for our way of life, or for the liberation of others, although sadly wars are not always fought for such high purposes. But it is a price, as something worthwile is earned or received in return.

When a criminal (whether drunk driver or other) murders someone, there is no worthy return on that. It's not a price being paid; it's a life being thrown away.

"Boxer is too BDS driven to... (Below threshold)
John T:

"Boxer is too BDS driven to comprehend the difference. In fact, she clearly implies to die for one's country is to 'pay a price' - which means she really should not be in a leadership role."

That is just plain dumb, and a twisting of American ideals for the sake of taking a cheap shot. Of course dying for your country is "paying a price". It's the ultimate price one pays for one's country. "Paying a price" is not in itself a bad thing. In fact, if it cost my life to keep our country free and strong, I'd call it a hell of a deal, but I would still acknowledge it as a price I had to pay.

As the right wing is so fond of saying, "Freedom isn't free." Clearly, if something isn't free, there is a price attached.

To pretend that isn't so, in fact, de-values the sacrifice the dying soldier makes in paying that price. If you accept that he or she is paying the price for freedom, then you realize that he or she is "buying" it for us, and it is our honor and duty to maintain that gift our soldier has given us. If we simply say, "He sacrificed his life for America" then we are removing ourselves and our ongoing responsibility to freedom from the equation.

"If she and her family cannot understand why people volunteer to fight and possibly die for this country, then they do not have the wisdom and insight to lead those people."

I think she understands that very clearly; they put their lives on the line, because that is the price of having a free country.

And to avoid any "since you... (Below threshold)
John T:

And to avoid any "since you're a leftist, I'll go slow" patronizing:

I'm not. I'm quite right wing, and conservative, two things the current administration only pretends to be. I despise lying and distortion of words, which of course happens on both sides of the political divide.

I have to say, though, that the Bush administration and its supporters take the distortion of reality for partisan politics to new depths, and this offends me all the more as I am myself a right-winger. I abhor the fact that Bush and his partners have hijacked the Republican party and made it synonymous with bigotry, hypocrisy, lies and manipulation. I might have expected that from the Democrats, but when my own side does it (and does it so comprehensively and "well") it's disgusting.

"I thought the women's move... (Below threshold)
John T:

"I thought the women's movement was all about CHOICE?

Clearly ONLY the Dems are entitled to freedom of speech, choice about whether or not to marry or bear children."

Oh, please. Talk about a distortion and exaggeration of what was said, to the point of hysterical grand-standing. Boxer said nothing even vaguely like that, as anyone with basic reading skills should be able to figure. All she said was that Rice (like, in fact, Boxer herself by her own admission) cannot fully comprehend the price of war as she doesn't stand to lose a member of her own family. You Bushies are amazing in your ability to inflate and distort.

"AND WHAT IN THE NAME OF HELL DO THE BUSH TWINS HAVE TO DO WITH THIS POST?"

Again, if you could read for comprehension, you would already know the answer to that. Since the Bush twins will not be sent to fight in Iraq, the implication is that President Bush, also, does not have a family stake in this war.

"Knee jerk idiots have invaded and are pushing their brainless jingoism!"

That happened in 2000, and hasn't stopped yet.

"Facts mean nothing to the ... (Below threshold)
John T:

"Facts mean nothing to the racist Anti-American party of Rats."

You mean the Republicans, of course, Rob LA? Bush supporters are more capable of an ongoing state of denial of reality than anyone since the Nazi party.

I would suggest you check facts yourself, but your entire tone is so filled with anger and ignorance that I doubt your ability to do so.

John T , S... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

John T ,

Shutup Stupid. You are a boring long winded fraud. Democrats even admit "Box of Rocks" Boxer hurts their party. She's pathetic.

Check facts? I heard the stupid mumble mouth bitch with my own ears and watched her disgrace herself.

"I despise lying and distortion of words,"

Like hell you do. Like what the meaning of "IS" is? So why do defend the Party of liars being a liar yourself. You are a democrat fraud and you suck at lying. Don't quite your day job if you have one.

"January 19, 2005
Boxer gets caught in her own lie"

"Senator Barbara Boxer (Raving Moonbat-CA), in her zeal to try to attack Secretary of State-designee Condoleezza Rice during confirmation hearings on Capitol Hill yesterday, falsely insisted that WMD was the only thing that Congress voted on when authorizing military action in Iraq.

BOXER: Well, you should read what we voted on when we voted to support the war, which I did not, but most of my colleagues did. It was WMD, period. That was the reason and the causation for that, you know, particular vote.

Boxer has been so enamored by the notion of attacking the Administration that she obviously didn't do her homework before spouting her lies.

Boxer failed to note that seven different points were included in the authorization, contrary to her insistance otherwise.

To coin a phrase, let's go to the videotape!

1. Iraq's harboring of Al-Queda terrorists
2. Iraq's support for International Terrorism
3. Iraq's "brutal repression" of its citizens
4. Iraq's failure to repatriate or give information on non-Iraqi citizens detained and captured during Gulf War I, including an American serviceman;
5. Failing to properly return property wrongfully seized during the Kuwait invasion
6. The attempted assassination of former President Bush in 1993
7. America's national security interests in restoring peace and stability to the Persian Gulf

Mind you, this does not include the enforcement of the United Nations resolutions (that everyone from the Left to the UN itself seems to so conveniently forget in their ongoing endeavor to attack this President and this Administration).

In other words, Boxer either had a lapse of memory or she just plain lied.

But then again, as I've said before, a lie told enough times becomes the truth in the minds of those who are apt to believe it. And Boxer has shown that the left plans to continue to tell as many lies about this President and this Administration as possible in order to make him look as bad as possible, and enhance their own standing."

Consider yourself eduacated.

"Muse:Oh, how about ... (Below threshold)
UB2:

"Muse:
Oh, how about Limbaugh calling her "the White House dog"?"

Liberal urban legend.

Transcript:

Copyright 1992 Multimedia Entertainment, Inc.
RUSH LIMBAUGH
SHOW: RUSH LIMBAUGH (9:00 PM ET)
November 6, 1992, Friday 11:15 AM


LIMBAUGH: Thank you. This show's era of dominant influence is just beginning. We are now the sole voice of sanity, the sole voice of reason. We are the sole voice of opposition on all television. This is the only place you can tune to to get the truth of the opposition of the one-party dictatorial government that now will soon run America. Oh, I mean, we are only beginning to enjoy dominance and prosperity. Most of these things on the in-out list are not even funny, but a couple of them--one of them in particular is.


David Hinckley of--of the New York Daily News wrote this, and what he has--he's got--it's very strange. He says, In: A cute kid in the White House. Out: Cute dog in the White House.' Could--could we see the cute kid? Let's take a look at--see who is the cute kid in the White House.

(A picture is shown of Millie the dog)

LIMBAUGH: (Voiceover) No, no, no. That's not the kid.


(Picture shown of Chelsea Clinton)


LIMBAUGH: (Voiceover) That's--that's the kid. We're trying to...




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