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A Cruel Stroke of Fate to be Born to into Radical Islam

I know that's not a surprise to any of us, but when I read actual details of what life is like, particularly for women, in Saudi I can't help but feel horrified. Take for example this article in the NY Sun. Allahpundit linked to the piece because it reports of the possibility that the Saudis may ban the letter X because it looks too much like a Christian cross - and Allah has determined from research that the report is accurate. As crazy and outrageous as that is, what sickened me came a few paragraphs later:

The Saudi commission has shaped life and death: declared jihad against Soviet soldiers in Afghanistan, banished women from public life, and forced piety at the tip of the whip and the sword. Its edicts have hindered business, education, travel, women's rights, and life itself, creating a fertile ground for terrorism and producing the 15 Saudis who participated in the September 11, 2001, attacks -- and many others like them.


Among the commission's deeds is the famed 1974 fatwa -- issued by its blind leader at the time, Sheik Abdul Aziz Ben Baz -- which declared that the Earth was flat and immobile. In a book issued by the Islamic University of Medina, the sheik argued: "If the earth is rotating, as they claim, the countries, the mountains, the trees, the rivers, and the oceans will have no bottom." Another bright light of the commission, Sheik Abdel-Aziz al-Sheikh, recently stopped a government reform proposal aimed at creating work for women by allowing them to replace male sales clerks in women's clothing stores. Sheik al-Sheikh damned the idea, saying it was a step "towards immorality and hellfire." The underlying logic is breathtaking: Women are more protected by buying their knickers from men! Over the years, the commission has rendered Saudi Arabia a true kingdom of darkness. Movie theaters are banned, as are sculptures, paintings, and music, and the mixing of sexes in public.

The commission really has it in for women. They must don the all-enveloping veil, or niqab, in public; they cannot drive themselves nor ride anywhere without a male guardian, and they cannot travel alone domestically or abroad.

The commission also excels at banning the construction of houses of worship -- other than mosques -- even though the majority of the 8 million expatriates working in the kingdom come from Christian, Hindu, and Buddhist faiths. Indeed, celebrating a private Sunday Mass inside a home could lead to jail, public lashings, and expulsion.

One of the most criminal travesties committed by the commission's foot soldiers, the Mutawaeen, or religious police, was dramatically reported by the muzzled Saudi press itself on Friday, March 15, 2002, when the Mutawaeen forcibly prevented girls fleeing a burning school from leaving the building because they were "improperly dressed."

The day after, the Saudi Gazette newspaper quoted witnesses as saying the police stopped men who tried to help the girls, warning the men: "It is sinful to approach them."

Of the 800 teenage pupils in Mecca, 15 burned to death and more than 50 were injured. Yet, the commission and its royal enablers thrive.

Conform to the rules; nothing else matters, not even innocent human life. Actually, in the eyes of those on the commission, these girls weren't innocent because they broke the rules by not wearing commission-approved clothing. Their punishment: suffer and die by being burned alive.

I know I'm not writing anything that's new to those who are familiar with what life is like for people living in countries run by radical Islamic leaders, but each time I read stories like this one I'm still mortified. I can't help but think what a sad and cruel stroke of fate it is to be born into Islam in Saudi Arabia, or any radical Islamic culture for that matter. To be born in a country like this leads to a lifetime filled with more fear and cruelty than those lucky enough to be born in the US can imagine.


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Comments (22)

This is why we must make it... (Below threshold)
Scott:

This is why we must make it clear to the world that we will not submit. Ever.

Malignant idiots. The whole... (Below threshold)
mojo:

Malignant idiots. The whole country is full of malignant idiots...

Yet we've done nothing to s... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

Yet we've done nothing to stop the spread of radical islam (sans those directly involved in violence and funding) from establishing a growing foothold here.

A large number of American ... (Below threshold)
Jeff:

A large number of American mosques and Islamic "charities" are fund by these savages. Close them all down ... they are simply Consulates for Terrorism ...

Nuclear energy and weapons ... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Nuclear energy and weapons resulted largely from research done by Jewish scientists. We need to keep shoving that fact in the faces of practitioners and supporters of radical Islam and soon there will be a fatwa declaring nuclear technology is evil and practitioners of it as infidels.

We need to keep shoving ... (Below threshold)

We need to keep shoving that fact in the faces of practitioners and supporters of radical Islam and soon there will be a fatwa declaring nuclear technology is evil and practitioners of it as infidels.

The Nazis actually tried to define and marginalize "Jewish Physics" for a while.

The Saudi commission has... (Below threshold)
observer 5:

The Saudi commission has shaped life and death: declared jihad against Soviet soldiers in Afghanistan,

Well, so they can't be all bad. They helped liberate millions by helping the Evil Empire to fall.

Of course, there was a little "blowback," but I'd rather be facing a few rag-tag terrorists (it's too bad we're too incompetent to catch or kill OBL) than worrying about the Group of Soviet Forces in Europe, the Warsaw Pact, and the Strategic Rocket Forces of the USSR on alert, with about 10 megatons in MIRVed warheads targeting my city.

How soon people forget.

It was equally cruel to be ... (Below threshold)
blackcat77:

It was equally cruel to be born into the world of David Koresh or Fred Phelps. Radical religion of ANY type is malignant...

blackcat77, rent "Waco: Rul... (Below threshold)
bryabD:

blackcat77, rent "Waco: Rules of Engagement". (sheesh!)

Our government allows the S... (Below threshold)
Jaquei:

Our government allows the Saudis to spread their bigoted, sexist, religous, hatred in our nation's mosques, schools, and prisons.

Those in government who are enabling the Saudis to infiltrate the U.S. should be investigated and charged with providing support for a foreign government set on subverting our constitution by spreading religous hatred against American Citizens who are not of the wahabbi Muslim faith.

So ... what's their take on... (Below threshold)

So ... what's their take on the letter "T"?

That place should just be n... (Below threshold)
Jimmy:

That place should just be nuked

Kim...as you know bin Laden... (Below threshold)
nogo postal:

Kim...as you know bin Laden and 15 of the hijacker/killers on 9/11 came from this country...
yet we don't and won't condemn them....
We crawl on our bellies and beg for their oil...
"Cut and Run" in Iraq a sign of weakness?
Sucking up to the Saudi royal family while they encourage their clergy and their religious schools to teach hatred toward Israel and anything from the "western culture"....now that's a sign of weakness....

Jaquie writes;<blockq... (Below threshold)
John:

Jaquie writes;

Those in government who are enabling the Saudis to infiltrate the U.S. should be investigated and charged with providing support for a foreign government set on subverting our constitution by spreading religous hatred against American Citizens who are not of the wahabbi Muslim faith.

In the almost 6 years of his presidency, Dubya had never vetoed a single bill. There was only one bill - only one that he guarenteed he would veto, and that was regarding a congressional action to block the sale of marine port operations for about 30% of American ports to a Saudi owned company.

Fortunatly, the deal was killed before the issue came to a head, and we never got to see him excercise his first veto which would have greenlighted the sale of our port security to the Saudis.

So, yeah... By all means, I'm for investigations...

The True Flat Earth Society... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

The True Flat Earth Society.

Sheesh, there aren't too many societies this horrid, failed. Stuck in the past about 1000 years ago.

Is this the same Saudi Arab... (Below threshold)
civil behavior:

Is this the same Saudi Arabia, the same country that Georgie boy holds hands with the princes who supply us with oil?

No, really?

I have this arguement with ... (Below threshold)
Robert:

I have this arguement with my brother, the Conservative all the time.

The luck is being born in America (and white, and male, and to good parents, etc).

Yet the loss of innocent Iraqi lives is "just the cost of war".
I'll ask you, what i ask my brother: What did YOU do to be so lucky? And why is it so difficult for you to put yourself in someone else's shoes, particularly when the ENTIRE thing is a matter of luck?

I'll ask you, what i ask... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

I'll ask you, what i ask my brother: What did YOU do to be so lucky? And why is it so difficult for you to put yourself in someone else's shoes, particularly when the ENTIRE thing is a matter of luck?

Well, not siding with genocidal maniacs helps us tremendously.

Again, if you hate America, NOBODY really cares if you go. You're free to leave.
-=Mike

I wrote about this on my bl... (Below threshold)

I wrote about this on my blog Crossroads Arabia, where I keep track of real issues in Saudi Arabia, not the paranoid fantasies of people like "John" who can't tell Saudi Arabia from Dubai.

The story about "X" actually broke in a Saudi newspaper in an op-ed written by a Saudi, Amr Mohammed Al-Faisal, in 2002.

There certainly are reactionary, even dangerous Saudis. The majority of Saudis are not radical, are not extremist, but instead are ultra-traditionalists who see no reason to change the way they've been doing things for 1400 years. They're particularly adverse to change when yahoos start threatening to nuke them if they don't.

It might prove informative to see what Saudis actually talk about among themselves; it sure isn't the fantasies being projected here.

And a question for Jaquie: Does your condemnation extend to those USG employees who send Saudi religious scholars to visit parochial or other religiously-oriented schools in the US in order to demonstrate that it's possible to instill religious values without demonizing other religions? I did that, starting in 2003, from the US Embassy in Riyadh. That program still continues. I just want to know if I should be getting out my law books some time soon.

To John Burgess,Aw... (Below threshold)
John:

To John Burgess,

Aw, dammit.... My appologies. You are correct. It was Dubai, not Saudia Arabia.

Thanks for the correction.

Bryab: I've seen "Rules of... (Below threshold)
blackcat77:

Bryab: I've seen "Rules of Engagement" several times and it raises many valid issues. However, it does not change the basic fact that David Koresh was a full-blown religious nut who sacrificed over 80 people to the principle that he was God's messenger on earth.

And a question for Jaqui... (Below threshold)
jacquei:

And a question for Jaquie: Does your condemnation extend to those USG employees who send Saudi religious scholars to visit parochial or other religiously-oriented schools in the US in order to demonstrate that it's possible to instill religious values without demonizing other religions? I did that, starting in 2003, from the US Embassy in Riyadh. That program still continues. I just want to know if I should be getting out my law books some time soon.

Yes. Because, until American religious scholars of the Christian and Jewish faiths are allowed into Saudi Arabia in a similar fashion, then Saudi religious scholars should not be allowed into the U.S. to preach their ideology in any fashion. I have to ask why you would set up such a one-sided program in U.S. schools and not insist that the Saudis set up a similar programs in Saudi schools?




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