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Checking the Facts in Iraq

Michelle Malkin has an informative report about what she found in Iraq regarding the AP's "Burning Six" story that includes pictures of the mosques that were supposedly destroyed.

Make no mistake. Hurriya is a Shiite militia-infested neighborhood where Sunnis have suffered horrible treatment. We accompanied a civil affairs patrol to a neighborhood meeting where US Mahdi Army apologists falsely accused Army Rangers of damaging their mosque and refused to provide any information on a kidnapping incident involving two Sunnis rescued by the Iraqi Army. But as the troops who work closely with that Iraqi Army battalion told us, the incident that made front page covers and worldwide headlines last Thanksgiving didn't happen the way the AP and Jamil Hussein said it did:

Capt. Aaron Kaufman of Task Force Justice, which works closely with the Iraqi Army battalion that was on the scene and monitored events as they happened, told us: "It was blown way out of proportion, there was nobody lit on fire."

Capt. Stacy Bare, the civil-affairs officer who took us on patrol in Hurriya, concurred: "There were no six Sunnis burned."

Murders do happen regularly in their area, the soldiers emphasized. And no one sugarcoated the brutality of the Shiite militia. But the soldiers say this particular story doesn't stand up...

That was my point from the very beginning regarding this story. There is plenty of violence in Iraq, so why did someone think it necessary to start making stuff up? Michelle also has a column on the subject at the N.Y. Post.


Comments (29)

This "dispatch" is all fing... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

This "dispatch" is all finger-pointing and spin by Mother Malkin in her campaign to squeeze a 1-1 tie in the lie department with of her personal hobgoblin, Jamil Hussein. She scolds: "It behooves the Western media to ...maintain as much transparency about their sources and local stringers as possible." *It Ain't Me, It's The MSM!*And if stringers get shot, so be it!

If I trust anyones reportin... (Below threshold)
jp2:

If I trust anyones reporting, it's going to be Michelle Malkin.

Credibility up the wazoo.

Jamil not existing was a po... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

Jamil not existing was a possibility being kicked around due to AP's inability to produce him. Something that really hasn't happened unless you cherry pick remarks from the same organization that has said both he exists and doesn't exist. But in reality, a very small percentage actual claimed for 100% he didn't exist. But that doesn't stop the left from putting words in people's mouths to deflect the fact that.

Michelle actually went there, took pictures of the Mosques (physical evidence), and stands by her remarks.

AP got a phone call from some guy and a guy who refuses to step forward and take ownership of his remarks.

Methinks the Left protests ... (Below threshold)
epador:

Methinks the Left protests too quickly and too much.

"Michelle actually went the... (Below threshold)
Mark L.:

"Michelle actually went there, took pictures of the Mosques (physical evidence), and stands by her remarks."

Well, jpm100, to paraphrase W. C. Fields, "Who are ya gonna believe? AP or your lying eyes?"

We know what side of that question those suffering BDS are coming down on. You could put them in each one of the four "burned-out" mosques that were not burned out, and they would probably conclude that those were not the mosques they were looking for.

bryanD,I take grea... (Below threshold)

bryanD,

I take great personal offense at your suggest that Malkin, other conservative bloggers, or the Iraqi Interior Ministry are attempting to get "Jamil Hussein" killed. Noting could be further from the truth.

The simple fact of the matter is that more than a half-dozen of us know his real name as provided by the MOI to CPATT. We know who he is, as does MOI, and we have all chosen to keep his name out of the press to keep him as safe as possible under the circumstances.

He may face criminal charges at some point, but "outing" him, and getting him assassinated, is not something we are interested in, and we are infact very much against it.

Credible reporting and a revamped editorial process to keep these false and/or exaggerated reports from making it to print in the first place is our primary goal.

The four mosques were not blown up, as AP reported. not a single soul died (though people were wounded) in the attacks, even though AP is on record as stating 24 people, including women and children, died in the attacks.

You choose to believe waht you want to believe.

The rest of us will believe the facts.

Enough about a right wing s... (Below threshold)
civil behavior:

Enough about a right wing story that the right doesn't want to admit to having blown completely out of scale as to its importance. Obviously the guy exists and obviously there is plenty of violence to report on.

The real story is what the heck do we do with a country where we started a civil war and have no exit strategy other than stay the course? Add more bodies to the pyre? Great solution righties, you are now so militantly hateful of anything Arab
you can't even see that we are the imperialists and need to use everything in our power BUT military force to extricate ourselves.

But first and foremost it means admitting contritely to the world that George Bush has been the worst president ever and we are so sorry we allowed him to become presidnt and we're going to make it up to them by electing statesman in 2008.

OBAMA/RICHARDSON 2008 or RICHARDSON/OBAMA 2008

Our only choice.

First off cb,Al Qu... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

First off cb,

Al Queda and Iran's proxies set off the civil war.

Secondly, there are 60+ stories from Jamil. How many more fake but true stories are there? I'm sure Jamil isn't AP's only source that they trust on word alone. Then how many resprisals are the AP 'fake but true' reporting responsible for?

The severity of the civil war could look notably different if AP strove for better than "maybe its fake but it sound true to us" criteria.

Hey c.b.are you really that... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Hey c.b.are you really that dumb or are you just stupid? You sound just like old "pucker puss" (lee lee)-always making excuses for somebody. Old "elephant ears" has about as much a chance of getting elected Prez. as you. And for Richardson, he has about as much presence as a wet noodle.

"bryanDumbass" why don't yo... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

"bryanDumbass" why don't you go back to see if the kos kiddies will take you back. MM has more guts them you and me combined so stop taking cheap shots at someone that you cannot hold a candle to. Go crawl in a hole stupid.

Michelle finds the AP (yet ... (Below threshold)
Jo:

Michelle finds the AP (yet another liberal MSM outlet) in their LIES and it ticks off the left. Beautiful.

I bet you lefties are cursing Fox News and the bloggers. Before those came along you guys got away with murder.

CB's contention seems to be... (Below threshold)

CB's contention seems to be that if there's already violence, then exaggerating that violence or creating more stories of violence out of whole cloth isn't a problem. For any group of people who are so adamant about being truthful, honest and accurate I'm always perplexed at why they would casually overlook certain dishonest or innacurate stories. And it's not just CB.

Particularly the "burning six" story. These people were said to have been set on fire for Pete's sake. It is notably, dementedly cruel. (Much like slowly sawing off someone's head.) That it's a lie is a "non-issue"?

This kind of "reporting" shapes public opinion based on inaccurate or outright untrue events, demoralizes the citizenry and creates more backlash prompting more fighting between Sunnis and Shias.

The left consistently accuses the right of creating more terrorists by supporting the war. In my opinion, the media, through such false reporting, is guilty of exactly that. It's one thing to embellish stories at a cocktail party to increase the entertainment value, but this is not entertainment. The media treats it as such.

But many on the left don't seem to have a problem with it because much of the media is on their side of the issue. Their enemy is the political right.

"No one will make a movie a... (Below threshold)
nogo postal:

"No one will make a movie about our men and women in uniform engaged in the tedious, painstaking business of moving Iraq toward stability and governability."(ah governability is not a word)

We of course should never question MM..except
Jan. 20, 2007
"Amid the glitz and glitter, one Oscar category, Best Documentary, doesn't usually get that much buzz. But this year, of the 15 films that could be nominated, four are about the war in Iraq.

Each of the four films differ in point of view, and each of the directors show Iraq -- so often on the television screens of Americans -- differently than other countries at war.

The films show scenes like a raging battle in Fallujah as seen from a camera strapped to a soldier's gun, a look inside a Shiite militia on a rampage and quiet moments of a family helpless as their country explodes around them.

"I don't know of any other subject matter that has inspired so much documentary filmmaking," says Daniel Frankel, an associate editor at Variety."

but hey...if MM says no one will film it...although I would think a camera strapped to a gun during Falluja would maybe, kinda, perhaps give a glimpse...

MM gives opinions..that is fine..however I would no more turn to her to provide me facts anymore than I would Michael Moore...another practitioner of propaganda...

JoSo you think Fox... (Below threshold)
aRepukelican:

Jo

So you think Fox reports real news? Take a look at this filthy Fox smear and sloppy reporting

Not only was this crap started off w/ the Fox Morning Show, but then carried on by Gibso and pilayed on by the radical extremist talk-radio slobs who care so much about reporting.

For further insight to this Fox faux news, check this link to Fox's "fair and balanced reporting.

Not only was this crap ... (Below threshold)
marc:

Not only was this crap started off w/ the Fox Morning Show, but then carried on by Gibso and pilayed on by the radical extremist talk-radio slobs who care so much about reporting.
:: by aRepukelican on January 22, 2007 2:12 PM ::

Speaking of sloppy reporting. Nice example you cite - but it's in your comment not the story from Think Progess.

The story didn't "start off" at Fox they only reported what Insight Mag already had published.

In addition nothing in the two quotes provided show any indication of support of the story. One was of the wait and see variety and the other was a general comment on Saudi madrassas.

marcFox gave curre... (Below threshold)
aRepukelican:

marc

Fox gave currency to the crap from Insight, affiliated w/ another bastion of reliable media, The Washington Times.

Fox News reveals the truth ... (Below threshold)
Jo:

Fox News reveals the truth and you lefties can't stand it, which is all the more reason to watch it and jack up it's ratings.

Yeeeeehaw.

Fox gave currency to th... (Below threshold)
marc:

Fox gave currency to the crap from Insight, affiliated w/ another bastion of reliable media, The Washington Times.
:: by aRepukelican on January 22, 2007 4:12 PM

Call it what you want, but in the end you have rejected reality and substituted your own.

Not to mention the supreme irony of you "slamming" Fox for being biased by linking to Think Progess.

What's next to be used as an example of being "unbiased," Media Matters?

Jo & marcYou ignor... (Below threshold)
aRepukelican:

Jo & marc

You ignorant sluts!!!!

Fox is scum and CNN/Situation Room/Blitzer just outed the whole slime-ridden Fox fake-news story.

If you people want Fox's so-called "truth," you are worse than Pavlovian puppies begging for the swill that the Murdoch slanted news orgs are offering.

This Obama fraud story proves, beyond doubt, that Fox is an extremely slanted and biased slime network ready to serve up propagandistic crap to you people who love eating their shit because you don't want truth; you want confirmation of your crap ideology, the hell w/ truth.

Don't ever talk about the MSM as biased or slanted. This is the most outrageous journalistic crap and I defy you to even try to justify it.

The more you lap at the Fox trough the more you prove that you love to eat shit.

Jo & marc... (Below threshold)
marc:

Jo & marc

You ignorant sluts!!!!

Fox is scum and CNN/Situation Room/Blitzer just outed the whole slime-ridden Fox fake-news story.
by aRepukelican on January 22, 2007 6:05 PM

"Nice" way to continue a debate, with childish invective, so typical.

Anyway perhaps you can point to an instance in the Situation Room story where Fox News is reported to have said the story was valid?

You've already proven to have little to no ability to comprehend what you read in providing the Think
Progress link that in no way demonstrates any approval or verification of the story by Fox.

So it's not in any way surprising you would stretch the truth now.

I'll give you a choice, would you rather watch Fox or the "unbiased" Chris Matthews or Olberman shows for your "news?"

Someone got to old aRepuke... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

Someone got to old aRepukelican and his BDS immediately flipped to complete insanity. Damn this is fun to watch. They all know that by winning one election they are now set up to lose everthing including their sanity.

No Go can't go postal, he's also already on the insane side and is being carefully watched by the keepers.
Told you this was going to be fun two years. I love to copy and paste these and forward them to the members of congress. Giving credit to the author of course.

marcYou really are... (Below threshold)
aRepukelican:

marc

You really are a sap for propaganda. What Fox was doing was giving the story currency so that Limbaugh, Hannity & Morgan carried it further, and there is little doubt that your right-wing media will attempt to resurface this story in the future, especially should Obama get nominated for either president or VP.

As far as your reference to whether Fox said the story was valid or not, that is a "straw-man" response. As I said above, Fox gave it currency on 2 different shows as did the right-extreme talk-propaganda radio.

Malign "Think Progress" all you want, you people cannot stand any truth, because, unfortunately, your little dream-world is coming apart.

You provided no justification for what Fox and the New York Post were doing w/ this non-story.

You provided no ju... (Below threshold)
You provided no justification for what Fox and the New York Post were doing w/ this non-story.

I predicted a couple of weeks ago that negative stories about Obama would eventually start popping up. This would be Hillary!'s Smear Machine cranking into overdrive. Looks like I was right, only I didn't think it'd be this soon. All that's lacking is for the stories to be blamed on the GOP.

Obama better watch himself. Hillary! will squash him like a bug.

You provided no justific... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

You provided no justification for what Fox and the New York Post were doing w/ this non-story.

It was reported by others is justification enough. It's intriguing to see the depths Clinton will go to in order to smear opponents.

The left seems to have forgotten that lovely side of their personalities.
-=Mike

Mike SCThat's pure... (Below threshold)
aRepukelican:

Mike SC

That's pure BS and if had a shred of reasoning ability you'd know that that excuse doesn't even hold water. You've been slurping so much Fox propaganda long enough to be brain dead.

Oregon Muse

Hillary's camp had no demonstrated connection w/ that story other than a slime charge 1st brandished by the right wing propaganda organ, Insight, an arm of the Washington Times. They have no source for their story other than a fabricated claim that it came from Clinton's campaign.

Then Fox slander-news picked it up to give the false story currency whic the extremist braINWASHING TALK RADIO CARRIED FURTHER.

Jo writes;<blockquote... (Below threshold)
John:

Jo writes;

Fox News reveals the truth and you lefties can't stand it, which is all the more reason to watch it and jack up it's ratings.

In a recent university study, Fox News viewers performed poorly against people who received their news from other media outlets when surveyed on their understanding of current events.

For example, self identified consumers of Fox News have a much higher proportion of viewers that believe Iraq was responsible for the 911 attack than news consumers who receive their news from other outlets.

You might want to turn Fox News off for a while... Might do ya a bit of good.

Now now guys be a little ea... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Now now guys be a little easier on your smack downs of old "pukeface" because he is a member of the "club".

WHAT!!!! No "links" "johnie"?

That's pure BS and if ha... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

That's pure BS and if had a shred of reasoning ability you'd know that that excuse doesn't even hold water. You've been slurping so much Fox propaganda long enough to be brain dead.

Blame Hillary for leaking it. They simply reported what Hillary stated. That's life.

You'd think they were discussing indicting a major WH aide for a non-crime or something...

Hillary's camp had no demonstrated connection w/ that story other than a slime charge 1st brandished by the right wing propaganda organ, Insight, an arm of the Washington Times.

Yes, the Clintons DON'T, in fact, have a long and storied history of viciously attacking anybody who dares to be slightly-less-than-sycophantic, eh?

Of course not. Hold on to that.

Then Fox slander-news picked it up to give the false story currency whic the extremist braINWASHING TALK RADIO CARRIED FURTHER.

Hmm, somehow I imagine MSNBC's treatment of the Plame affair was not a problem for you.

Sure, NOBODY watches, but still...
-=Mike
...And, FNC also made a retraction of the story. I haven't really seen MSNBC apologize for THEIR stuff to date...

They have no source for... (Below threshold)
marc:

They have no source for their story other than a fabricated claim that it came from Clinton's campaign.
:: by aRepukelican on January 22, 2007 9:11 PM

True enough, but what's your point, that Hillary couldn't or didn't learn how to play dirty from Bill?

Not very likely, in fact she is by accounts of some that closely worked with her she's far more ruthlees than Bill.




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