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Black Voters Identify more with Hillary than with Barack

According to a CBS News/Washington Post poll, black voters say they just don't relate to Barack Obama. Instead, they relate better to Hillary Clinton. Huh?

Obama concedes he has work to do among African-American voters. A CBS News survey this week found Hillary Clinton leading Obama among black voters, 52 percent to 28 percent.


Almost identical findings were reported by a Washington Post poll Thursday, leading some to suggest that certain African Americans just don't identify with the Ivy League-educated, bi-racial senator.

But they identify with an Ivy League-educated white woman from the Chicago suburbs? Here's the explanation: Hillary is married (sort of) to Bill Clinton. In 1998, Toni Morrison declared Bill Clinton to be the first black president. How is that possible since he's white? This is how Morrison explained herself:

Clinton displays almost every trope of blackness: single-parent household, born poor, working-class, saxophone-playing, McDonald's-and-junk-food-loving boy from Arkansas.

It seems that being black is not an issue of skin color; it's an issue of mind set. You are black if you are liberal, say the right things, and have the right experiences. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Justice Clarence Thomas, on the other hand, are conservatives and don't parrot the liberal line, so they are dismissed. Even though Hillary has never experienced anything of what Morrison outlined, she is married (sort of) to Bill Clinton, which gives her a pass.


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Of course they do! I mean, ... (Below threshold)
cstmbuild:

Of course they do! I mean, Hillary is married to a southern black man. So, she understands blacks completely.
And Obamas not really black. Ya know, he's too educated and is really light skinned and well, he's just not really black! Jut ask those that support Hillary!

Lord have mercy you whine a... (Below threshold)
Hugh:

Lord have mercy you whine a lot. And always about something that means nothing.

It seems that being blac... (Below threshold)
mantis:

It seems that being black is not an issue of skin color; it's an issue of mind set. You are black if you are liberal, say the right things, and have the right experiences.

I don't know if you're really black if you have those things, Morrison didn't mean that literally. But in terms of votes, it sure helps. And it's not unusual at all. Think about why George W. Bush, blue-blooded and ivy league as they come, has always been presented as a Texas ranchin, wise-crackin, good ol boy you'd like to have a beer with. He comes from a wealthy and powerful family, he went to Harvard and Yale, and he was born in New England. It's all about votes. At least with Clinton, however, the shtick seemed to be genuine.

Anyway, it's not about black, it's about "black culture," which is definitely not something all blacks share. Blacks with higher education and more wealth favor Obama, and those without, he isn't connecting with.

Liberals to blacks: You don... (Below threshold)
Gringo:

Liberals to blacks: You don't need a black president, we have a good white black president for you right here.

"Blacks with higher educ... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"Blacks with higher education and more wealth favor Obama, and those without, he isn't connecting with."

He hasn't connected yet, but the election is a long ways off.

Kim embraces the article's headline as a conclusion and runs with it, ignoring the last paragraphs which tell the rest of the story.

"It does not mean that you have to be on welfare in order to represent the African-American community," said State Senate President Emil Jones. "The mere fact that he's a U.S. Senator, the mere fact that he's a credible candidate running for President, does more for our children and grand-children than all of them combined."

"Saying you're not black enough is an attempt to discredit him among black voters," said Professor Timuel Black.

Both Black and Jones predict that, by the time African-Americans cast their ballots, they will vote for Obama in overwhelming numbers.

Republicans seem pretty desperate to slow down the Obama bandwagon. That's a very good sign for Obama.

They can't find a decent candidate in their party, so they'll concentrate on attacking the opposition. Looking pretty desperate here kiddos...

Republicans are not trying ... (Below threshold)
sam:

Republicans are not trying to slow down the Obama bandwagon, Hillary is quite capable of doing that herself. Republicans like myself are just enjoying the "grand race-relations" going on in Democratic Party, each moron jockeying to position himself/herself as the bigger race-baiter than the next.

All of this is a stupid side-show anyway, designed and propelled by the liberal media to maintain some semblance of excitement for the next 12-14 months. The presidential race is between McCain/Lieberman on one hand, and Hillary/Obama on the other.

Priestap says:... (Below threshold)
Hugh:


Priestap says:

"Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Justice Clarence Thomas, on the other hand, are conservatives and don't parrot the liberal line, so they are dismissed."

By whom? Where? How? When? Why?

Remember now your post is about voters and voting for candidates.

Do you think a scowling, unattractive (when scowling) leader of the war effort (Rice) is appeals to black voters? Why should she be? She's not a politican. She says she's not running for president. Try less whining and more thoughtful presentation next time Priestap.

"At least with Clinton, ... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

"At least with Clinton, however, the shtick seemed to be genuine."

Thanks for the laugh this morning! Good thing I wasn't drinking anything when I read that line or it would have come out my nose!

Great insight into that reality you neo-coms have fabricated for youreslf, though.

I would not put any stock i... (Below threshold)
914:

I would not put any stock in a poll Slea bs is involved in..

On the other hand, what does Hillary have in common with African Americans? She employs a few on Her plantation or in Her mansion or what?

Thanks for the laugh thi... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Thanks for the laugh this morning! Good thing I wasn't drinking anything when I read that line or it would have come out my nose!

You mean Clinton isn't a "single-parent household, born poor, working-class, saxophone-playing, McDonald's-and-junk-food-loving boy from Arkansas"?

Do tell.

Yeah 914, racebaiter Hillar... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Yeah 914, racebaiter Hillary has black slaves on her "neo-com" (sic) plantation.

The Wiznuts are always always good for a laugh. No wonder you clowns lost the last election -- after two years of spewing your "opinyuns" on "relervant" topics like "neo-coms" and "race-baiter" Democrats, most thinking Americans ran in the opposite direction, in the direction of the Democrats.

He hasn't connected yet,... (Below threshold)
mantis:

He hasn't connected yet, but the election is a long ways off.

Indeed it is, and he had no problem connecting with black voters in Illinois in 2004. Even against the ever popular interloper Alan Keyes. ;)

If Hillary is "blacker" tha... (Below threshold)
yetanotherjohn:

If Hillary is "blacker" than Obama, wouldn't that make affirmative action just a bit trickier to implement? If you don't have a clear marker to implement your racism, how are you going to tell the players with out a program?

I see old "pucker puss" (le... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

I see old "pucker puss" (lee lee) (resident turd polisher) is still using his "ditto" key. Knew it was him after only a few words.
"elephant ears" has about as much a chance of getting elected as P'P'.

You mean Clinton isn't a... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

You mean Clinton isn't a "single-parent household, born poor, working-class, saxophone-playing, McDonald's-and-junk-food-loving boy from Arkansas"?

In order, yes, no, not really, not well, yes.
-=Mike

These polling numbers are r... (Below threshold)
Corky Boyd:

These polling numbers are really irrelevant for the general election. Whether it is Obama or Clinton, the Democratic candidate will carry 88-91% of the black vote.

In the past couple of weeks there has been a lot of dirt digging and polling information that is directed at Obama. Most likely it is coming from the Clinton campaign (and being blamed on Republicans) in an effort to stall the Obama bandwagon.

Republicans think both are beatable. Obama for his total lack of administrative experience and Hillary for her high negatives.

The folks who are threatened by Obama are the folks in the Hillary camp, not the Republicans.

Yea, but the real question,... (Below threshold)
Grendly:

Yea, but the real question, do black people relate to condoleeza at all....

Obama concedes he has wo... (Below threshold)
Larkin:

Obama concedes he has work to do among African-American voters. A CBS News survey this week found Hillary Clinton leading Obama among black voters, 52 percent to 28 percent.

This really isn't indicative of anything other than the fact that Hillary has much better name recognition that Obama. The Real Clear Politics poll average gives Hillary an almost identical 2-to-1 advantage (34 to 17).

Obama has some big problems in becoming President: 1) he's too liberal and 2) he's too inexperienced. I don't think he can overcome those. In a Presidential race, he would be guaranteed to lose the entire South, whereas Hillary will be able to contest at least some Southern states (Arkansas, Florida, Virginia). Hillary has also done a good job of moderating her image in the last 6 years by tacking to the right when she gets the opportunity.

She's smart, savvy, can raise a ton of money, and has not made many mistakes in the last 6 years. The Republicans should definitely be worried. Not only are McCain and Guiliani older and uglier (i.e. less appealing on television), but they will have to defend an Iraq policy that is deeply unpopular in the country. That's going to be the albatross around their neck that drags them under.

"The folks who are threa... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"The folks who are threatened by Obama are the folks in the Hillary camp, not the Republicans."

That would explain hit pieces like this one from Kim, the use by conservative bloggers of Obama's middle name as a emotional trigger, and the lie-filled smear job from the right-wing media over Obama's upbringing.

Don't confuse Km's amateurish attempt with the orchestrated reality. Read the article linked above -- and note that the conservative lying slimers are also -- just like you -- suggesting it's Clinton who's attacking Obama.

I'm beginning to think Republicans and conservatives just don't know how to tell the truth, or else they've long forgotten the meaning of the word. Look, this is a political blog -- can't we all be honest about the political realities of online politics and blogging -- that this is orchestrated smear -- or are some of you really that naive that you actually can't see through the manipulations of these paid thugs and their amateur blogger wannabes?

Obama's of east African sto... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

Obama's of east African stock. American blacks, the product of the Atlantic Slave Trade, are of west African stock. http://www.vdare.com/sailer/070102_obamania.htm

I'm beginning to think R... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

I'm beginning to think Republicans and conservatives just don't know how to tell the truth, or else they've long forgotten the meaning of the word.

Beginning?? Are you kidding me? Lee you lost your objectivity a long time ago. You are a liberal shill of the highest order with a serious case of BDS.

Look, this is a political blog -- can't we all be honest about the political realities of online politics and blogging -- that this is orchestrated smear --

Even pretending that it is, who would benefit the most from it. Certainly not any Republicans, the nominees haven't even been through a primary yet, sheesh!

or are some of you really that naive that you actually can't see through the manipulations of these paid thugs and their amateur blogger wannabes?

Sounds more like shoddy reporting from someone with a desire to be the first to break a major story, something far too prevalent with all the 24 hour news channels out there.

Lee, wake up, as far as this article is conecerned it is spot on. Right now, Obama doesn't appeal to blacks. The end that you cite is mere speculation, Republicans have nothing to gain from this and the other stories about Obama coming out now. It most likely helps him because it gives him time to address the accusations.

Boy!! Old 'pucker puss" (le... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Boy!! Old 'pucker puss" (lee lee) is really getting up-a-de ain't he (or her)?

I have talked with several ... (Below threshold)
langtry:

I have talked with several of my African-American friends (admittedly all middle and upper-middle class): practically to a person there is a degree of cynicism if not distrust of Barack Obama. Why?

I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that he appears to be the 'Cult of Personality' candidate (a la JFK), a opportunistic man who has yet to articulate not only what he stands for, but that he has the ability to form policy from those viewpoints and steer them through Congress. They know Obama can 'talk the talk', but can he 'walk the walk'?

I think the 'Victory Tour' through South Africa was ultimately a mistake in judgment on his part. The media's promotion of his return to Africa made him look like a self-aggrandizing jerk: "Who does that Brother think he is?", was something I heard a lot of.

I think there is also a lot of skepticism about Obama's choosing to focus solely on his African-American roots, and his eliding over his mixed-race heritage. By over-focusing on his "black-ness" and ignoring his Mother's heritage, Obama seems to be an opportunist more than an authentically black man who is comfortable with who he is and where he comes from. Many African-Americans share his mixed-race heritage, and they distrust his inability to own up to this.

Lee,I hate to burs... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

Lee,

I hate to burst yet another neo-com bubble of yours (well not really, I actually enjoy doing it) but the information about Obama attending a madrasa (a term chosen by the Clinton campaign, not by me) was discovered and accidentally leaked by a member of the Clinton campaign, not by Republicans. The Clinton campain is pissed that it was published now as they planned to sit on the information until right before the primaries.

Fox news reported it because they want the people to know the whole truth and make informed decisions. This information does not help Republicans in any way as Obama would be much easier to defeat in '08 than St. Bill's wife.

Lee You of all peo... (Below threshold)
914:

Lee

You of all people should know about non truth tellers being an official Clintonian waterboy!

You people are all all egos... (Below threshold)
sian:

You people are all all egostistical ingorant non objective idiots, who would not know the truth if Bush was ever to concede that he made a opportunist decision to declare war.

This is a conversation that is just not needed, Do, Why do african americans relate more to Hill or Barack. I will tell you who african americans relate more, and will vote for a "decider" (so elequently stated by Mr. Bush) who identifies with underprivelged inner city kids, who have the most increasinly horriable form education. Which is the only way out of poverty. They identify with someone who beleives in creating jobs, stop raising tuition for colleges. How can african americans relate to someone who says they dont care if they have the same oppurtunities they all citizens of our great country has. He continues with tax break after tax break for Huge Corporations, who pay whine about increasing minimum wage. There has never been a Female president or african american, and theres only been a small hand full of these kinds of candidates that have ran in the past. So there is no relevence to whether the candidate is african american, becouse blacks have voted for white males who supported there interest.

Also Toni Morrison is not the National Spokes person for African Americans, And I have no relation to the steriotypical things she said.

I'll ask an honest question... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

I'll ask an honest question for black America:

Why on God's Earth would ANYBODY do anything to help you?

Democrats don't need to. You'll vote in lockstep with them regardless.

And the GOP has absolutely NO benefit in doing anything as you won't vote for them anyway. If I were a GOP President/Congressman, I'd not really take any chances for a group who won't support me regardless.

Try not voting in near-unanimous lockstep and the concerns you proclaim might be less of a problem.

After all, almost 40 years of near total lockstep support of the Dems doesn't really seem to have helped your cause, based on what you claim.
-=Mike

Wow! A redumblican using ho... (Below threshold)
sian:

Wow! A redumblican using honest and black in the same sentence? nice.

Funny you mention God's Earth, there are still folks on God's Earth that have class, heart, and good will. My only trust is in my creator, he's the one who helps me.

Are u serious? Your so naive, talk about gulable or evidently stupidity. From your commentary I suppose african americans sit around waiting on masster. Yes sir masser.Thank you masster.

African Americans seeking help from Dems? Redumplicans? No thanks youve have truly helped yourselfs enough. lol

And yes I surely will vote Dem. every election as long as the interest are there, theres not t any interest that redums have that peek my interest in the least.

JFK
FDR
Dem. Pioneers say what you like but they made pioneering changes whatever theyre motives were.

MikeYou would have... (Below threshold)
sian:

Mike

You would have to look back to more than 40 years try 400+ years to address my cause. Your ridiculous. Gop could never be productive enough, Im not lobbying for tax breaks. my standards are set above the sky.

Are u serious? Your so n... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

Are u serious? Your so naive, talk about gulable or evidently stupidity. From your commentary I suppose african americans sit around waiting on masster. Yes sir masser.Thank you masster.

Well, gee sian, I thought "George Bush hated black people" because he couldn't funnel enough federal money to be utterly wasted into New Orleans.

All I've heard all my life is that blacks get this horrendous raw deal. Well, tell me what, PRECISELY, has the black community done to help itself?

OBVIOUSLY, the Dems don't do a thing for you. Complaint level alone shows that. They don't need to help you because --- and let's be honest here --- you're not voting for the other guys.

African Americans seeking help from Dems? Redumplicans? No thanks youve have truly helped yourselfs enough. lol

Might wanr to re-read the usual bilge that groups like the NAACP unload on the GOP.

Dem. Pioneers say what you like but they made pioneering changes whatever theyre motives were.

You would have to look back to more than 40 years try 400+ years to address my cause. Your ridiculous. Gop could never be productive enough, Im not lobbying for tax breaks. my standards are set above the sky.

The GOP only freed the slaves and passed the Civil Rights Act. The Democrats fought, VEHEMENTLY, against both. But since they'll pay homage to the "black leadership" (an impressive litany of charalatans, to be sure), well, black America will just vote for them and treat any black person who dares not agree with "the masses" as they aren't "REALLY" black.

BTW, might want to re-read JFK's legacy. He did roughly jack for black America and Bobby had NO qualms bugging Martin Luther King Jr.
-=Mike

When I read the first sente... (Below threshold)
sian:

When I read the first sentence in comment, I honestly started to not. It's obvious that you don't want a forum, where matters really are discussed, and your enlightened. Mike, you didn't want an honest answer from "black America" that's something you thought to sound witty. That's thing about black and white America, there is not just one representative for African Americans. You take what Kaye West said for the almighty word. You cant walk through life with stereotypical attitude. Obviously he could not convey his true feelings, what came out was a paraphrase.

Now in your close minded opinion it would have been waisteless to have the president do as he said he would do, and rebuild New Orleans? How is it that a president can pledge and help other countries and not give a damn about his own? It's not in issue as whether he couldn't, he wouldn't, even to day New Orleans is nowhere it needs to be. How can you be so insisitive?

I Understand you may have some racial issues, but New Orleans the one the richest cities, rich in history, but the state could be one of the wealthiest, if it would collect revinous from it's oil companies on it's borders. Now that's anti-american. To rebuild a country that is not your own, that you did't pledge to be the "decider" over . Mike, I have sympathy for you because you don't see the big picture. A Better New Orleans is A Better America.

Being a Houstonian, I have seen the devastation first hand, seen the racism first hand in just dealing with Katrina.

A quote from Former First Lady Barbara Bush ""This is working very well for them." In a segment at the top of the show on the surge of evacuees to the Texas city, Barbara Bush said: "Almost everyone I've talked to says we're going to move toHouston."

Then she added: "What I'm hearing which is sort of scary is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is so overwhelmed by the hospitality.

"And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this--this (she chuckles slightly) is working very well for them."

Mike, do you think Kanye and other African Americans may have been feeling the offended from comments like those heard from the first lady when he said that?
I believe that if you have has some unfortunate experiences like some African Americans,
You would be able to understand the racism that you have heard all your life as blacks getting a horrendous raw deal. Now don't get me wrong, I feel as though some African Americans take things too far, and use this unfortunate situation as a crutch.

I don't know another race that has gone through adversities, like haven families split up because of slavery. The African American community has done outstanding, in offering scholarships to kids, who could not afford to attend college, set programs such as head start for pre-k. The African American church has been the fore front of it all. Some whites, complain about about things that are geared especially to African Americans, but these are organizations that have rebuilt the community. Your extremely critical of the African American community, while I'm extremely proud. It's a case of bad apples in every ethnicity that your talking about. I know that a lot of the issues that some African Americans go through are stemmed directly from slavery. And some white people that I come across don't want slavery to be mentioned, they feel that its all in the past. I agree, but the problems that slavery brought are still here.

The GOP only freed the slaves and passed the Civil Rights Act. The Democrats fought, VEHEMENTLY, against both. But since they'll pay homage to the "black leadership" (an impressive litany of charalatans, to be sure), well, black America will just vote for them and treat any black person who dares not agree with "the masses" as they aren't "REALLY" black.
BTW, might want to re-read JFK's legacy. He did roughly jack for black America and Bobby had NO qualms bugging Martin Luther King Jr.

You know Mike I love the way you say so casually Gop freed slaves, passed Civil Rights Acts. As if they just did a good deed. You know that's not the way things went down at all. Lincoln the biggest racist possibly after you did not just free the slaves, lets tell the truth the north was tired of slaves escaping south for freedom, and having to deal with human contraband. He did't want the slaves escaping up north, he wanted the south to deal with their slaves, but he knew that the slaves woul continue to escape because of the inhuman treatment of slaves. So Lincoln wanted to abolish slavery for that fact, not because he was doing some good deed for the gop. Lincoln wanted to show the south who had the upper hand we were used as pawns. African Americans fought in the Civil War and helped win the war. How in the world do you come up with your history, I guess you just pull out of the same hole you've got your other facts from. The slaves forced the emancipation, by escaping to the north. What about all the free slaves who helped, and whites who helped and risked their lives.
black leadership" (an impressive litany of charalatans, to be sure
This statement alone seals the deal for me your really sick dude. I mean your like someone who claims that the genocide never happened. And to get to the Civil Rights Acts. Mike, you really have some issues, for you to dismiss the peaceful walks by blacks and whites, the tree hangings (should really listen to Stange Fruit, by Ladie day she sings about the many tree hangings she saw while touring the south, and how it was like an everyday thing nevermind you'll probally dismiss that as oranges. The beatings, deaths, mysterious disappreances. Once again African Americans grew tired of Jim Crow laws, discrimination and just wrongful treatment. Siting in the back of the bus, separate bathrooms, separate schools, even celebrities went through harsh treatment. They could sing and dance for whites, but could not eat, swim, drink, from the same facilities as whites. Lets not mention MLK, lets just mention all the people who stood up for equality by not riding the bus, which increased pressure to end segration.

You know what's great even with your racist views I know for a fact that all white people dont feel this way, I have freinds who dont, I go to biggest church in America Lakewood, it's amazing to be in that place I'm talking about religion, its just filled with people of literaly every kind of ethnicity.




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