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John Kerry's Real Opinion of his Own Country

While in Switzerland at a world forum and while sitting right next to a powerful Iranian mullah, John Kerry, the man who almost became president in 2004, called the US "a sort of international pariah":

"When we walk away from global warming, Kyoto, when we are irresponsibly slow in moving toward AIDS in Africa, when we don't advance and live up to our own rhetoric and standards, we set a terrible message of duplicity and hypocrisy," Kerry said.


"So we have a crisis of confidence in the Middle East in the world, really. I've never seen our country as isolated, as much as a sort of international pariah for a number of reasons as it is today."

What are this man's intentions in regard to America? First he spoke ill of America in front of a Senate committee about our troops in Vietnam, and now he speaks ill of America in front of a world forum. Is John Kerry even capable of speaking positively about his own country? Does he understand that his words are giving comfort to our enemies because he's echoing their view of us or is he just that stupid? For God's sake, he is encouraging the terrorists and insurgents to continue their attacks on our our troops in Iraq who are on the front line of our foreign policy efforts. Not only that, but North Korea, Russia, and Venezuela are helping Iran to essentially hold the rest of the world hostage by helping it to create nuclear weapons, and John Kerry calls us the pariah?

He also criticized the Bush administrations by saying that it too often looks at the rest of the world through an American lens. President Bush is obligated to protect this country, its citizens and its interests from those who want to do us harm, so through whose lens does Senator Kerry recommend President Bush see the world? Iran's? Al Qaeda's? Hezbollah's?

Remember when Kerry said during a presidential debate that we should consult other countries before we defend ourselves? His statements today prove that what he said back then was not a slip, but his true beliefs. The American people really dodged a bullet when it rejected Senator Kerry on election day.

Update: Allahpundit reacts to Kerry's lamenting "the 'unfortunate habit' of Americans to see the world 'exclusively through an American lens.'"

He said this while seated next to the former CEO of one of the world's foremost terrorist states, which as we speak is working on building nuclear weapons, bankrolling Hezbollah's efforts to foment civil war in Lebanon and Hamas's exterminationist jihad against Israel, and supplying Shiite militias with IEDs to kill American soldiers in Iraq. Whose current leadership, lest we forget, Kerry has previously signaled a desire to meet with. Note the bolded bit in the quote, too: given a direct choice between defending the president or siding with the Iranian government circa 2003 -- whose nominal leader was, of course, Khatami himself -- Lurch essentially chose the latter.

Greg Tinti points out Kerry's blatant hypocrisy:

Speaking of a message of duplicity and hypocrisy, for the record, Kerry voted for a resolution in 1997 that stated that the US should not be a signatory to the Kyoto protocol because it "did not include binding targets and timetables for developing as well as industrialized nations" and could "result in serious harm to the economy of the United States." Simply put, Kerry voted against Kyoto.

Captain Ed points out Kerry's lie on Bush's record on AIDS in Africa:

He took the time to scold the Bush administration for its lack of effort on AIDS and other diseases in Africa. However, Bush has already spent more on these issues than the last Democratic administration did in eight years. Humanitarian aid to Africa comprised $1.4 billion a year at the end of the Clinton administration, but Bush has tripled that to $4 billion per year -- and wants to more than double it over the next two years.

Captain Ed is right on with this. President Bush announced in his January 2003 State of the Union Address that he was committing $15 billion dollars over five years, far more than Bill Clinton ever did, to fighting AIDS in Africa.

Bill Faith says it''s a real shame that Kerry is not running for president 2008.


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Comments (94)

Bar the lowlife SOB from co... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Bar the lowlife SOB from coming back to the USA. If he does, hang him!!!!!

Err was not Kyoto the fault... (Below threshold)
dave t:

Err was not Kyoto the fault of DEMOCRAT Bill Clinton and the then Senate who refused to ratify it rather than Bush and has not Bush sent more aid for AIDS than the Democrats ever did? So... not only a hypocrite but an ill-informed buffoon too! Does he not pay his staff enough to get them to stop him inserting foot in mouth before engaging brain?

Kim, I believe you misquote... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

Kim, I believe you misquoted him. He didn't mean "US", he meant "us" meaning he and Teresa are pariahs because his fellow Dems think he is bad karma having lost what they felt was an easy election victory to Bush.

He's just the only Democara... (Below threshold)
Baron Von Ottomatic:

He's just the only Democarat lacking the political accumen to cloak his opinions about America's place in the world in the context of "what's best for America." Baffling, really. You'd think after twenty plus years under the wing of Ted Kennedy he'd have figured it out.

Of course, he's from the rapidly depopulating state of Massachusetts so he's insulated from having to learn.

As most around here know I'... (Below threshold)
Lee:

As most around here know I'm no fan of the Democrat Party's clown jester John Kerry -- but everything you quoted Kerry saying is the truth, Kim.

George Bush lied to the American people and to the world, repeatedly. You're apparently okay with that -- but the fact the John Kerry is telling the truth has you upset? It is long past due. It's necessary. It's needed, It's time for America to admit our mistakes and repair our relations with our allies. If Bush would do it, then others wouldn't need to.

The world leadership vacuum in Washington won't be permanently filled by the likes of John Kerry, I'll help see to that -- but if the Republican administration continues to refuse to stand up for America and stand up for the truth, then don't complain when other Americans step up to fill that void.

"Is John Kerry even capable of speaking positively about his own country?"

Speaking the truth about Kyoto, about AIDS in Africa, about the horrific mess created Bush in the Middle East --- that IS speaking up for America -- by speaking the truth.

The truth, and doing what's right, are qualities and attributes that used to exemplify our country's position in the world. It's time we as a nation spoke the truth and did the right thing again.

...,we set a terrible messa... (Below threshold)
baslimthecripple:

...,we set a terrible message of duplicity and hypocrisy," Kerry said.

Listen up people, this guy know duplicity and hypocrisy.

You'd think that a guy who ... (Below threshold)
TonyG:

You'd think that a guy who voted against the Kyoto Protocol S 98 Senate Roll Call would at least admit his part in the "walk away".

Here is what the world sees... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Here is what the world sees of America, thanks to a Republican administration's desperate attempts to hide the truth:

WASHINGTON - Vice President Dick Cheney exerted "constant" pressure on the Republican former chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee to stall an investigation into the Bush administration's use of flawed intelligence on Iraq, the panel's Democratic chairman charged Thursday.

In an interview with McClatchy Newspapers, Sen. Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia also accused President Bush of running an illegal program by ordering eavesdropping on Americans' international e-mails and telephone communications without court-issued warrants.

In the 45-minute interview, Rockefeller said that it was "not hearsay" that Cheney, a leading proponent of invading Iraq, pushed Sen. Pat Roberts, R-Kan., to drag out the probe of the administration's use of prewar intelligence.

"It was just constant," Rockefeller said of Cheney's alleged interference. He added that he knew that the vice president attended regular policy meetings in which he conveyed White House directions to Republican staffers.

"It was just constant." The Vice-President of the United States, desperate and determined to stop the truth from emerging over our pre-Iraq intelligence.

God bless John Kerry for standing up for America.

-- but everything you qu... (Below threshold)
cirby:

-- but everything you quoted Kerry saying is the truth, Kim.

...except for the AIDS thing, of course. The US government's tilt on AIDS in Africa seems to be the one that's working best (and is much, much better funded than everyone else's put together).

...and the Kyoto thing, too, since the whole point of walking away from Kyoto was to avoid crippling our economy with measures that WON'T WORK for doing what Kyoto is aimed at doing (even with full implementation by all countries involved, Kyoto would push back global warming by a massive SIX YEARS over the next century (and that's by their own very optimistic predictions)).

Now, if he's only talking about hypocrisy among the Dems, he's sure got a point, since they preach about things like Kyoto after a long plane flight (chartered, which burned more fuel than I use in a year, total), or alternate energy (after letting one of their own kill a big wind power initiative because it would screw up his leisure area's view).

Here is what the world s... (Below threshold)
cirby:

Here is what the world sees of America, thanks to a Republican administration's desperate attempts to hide the truth:

You mean "thanks to a heavily slanted international news media, quoting a DEMOCRAT SENATOR, with unsubstantiated comments."

Funny how all of these "anti-American" moves by the Republicans seem to exist only in the quotes of Democrats.

Who hates America more, Ha... (Below threshold)
Gianni:

Who hates America more, Hanoi John or peanuthead jimmy?


John supported North Nam, Jimmy supports Palestinians. Im sure their mothers would be proud.

I pity the poor wizzies her... (Below threshold)
Jaku:

I pity the poor wizzies here. Lost an election, president is an isolated moron, their pet causes are being futher marginalized by the public, Iraq war going to hell, and yet all you can do is complain about Kerry and Edwards. Priceless in it's pathetic nature, but kind of funny too.

You really don't wear defeat well, do you?

Yes, Kim, he is that stupid... (Below threshold)
Mike in Oregon:

Yes, Kim, he is that stupid.

Its amazing that a national... (Below threshold)
Gmac:

Its amazing that a national pariah, John 'Halp us' Kerry has the balls to accuse the US of being an "international pariah" on 'facts' that he hasn't vetted with reality.
He's a maroon, much like Howard Dean, when both see fit to shoot from the lip before consulting the truth.

Does he understand that ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Does he understand that his words are giving comfort to our enemies because he's echoing their view of us

Europe is our enemy? Scandinavia is our enemy? Japan is our enemy? Because that's whose opinions he's describing.

Lee, if George Bush lied to... (Below threshold)
Smartguy:

Lee, if George Bush lied to the country, wasn't Kerry lying to the country as well, when he said the same thing about Iraq? And wasn't Hillary lying too? And Dean?

When they all say the same thing about Iraq being a serious threat, and about Iraq having WMDs, and that we need to solve the problem sooner rather than later, why is it only George Bush that was lying?

Now we know what old "pucke... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Now we know what old "pucker puss" (lee lee) (resident turd polisher) really is--a lowlife America hating traitorus SOB piece of pig shit.

He also criticized the B... (Below threshold)
Brian:

He also criticized the Bush administrations by saying that it too often looks at the rest of the world through an American lens. President Bush is obligated to protect this country, its citizens and its interests from those who want to do us harm, so through whose lens does Senator Kerry recommend President Bush see the world?

You are simply validating the idea that we value isolationism.

I don't know what your day job is, but when you're working, through whose eyes do you view your responsibilities? Just yours alone? Do you consider the success of your co-workers? Your company? Is anyone ever successful when they look out for no one but themselves?

Well, I imagine you conserv... (Below threshold)
Herman:

Well, I imagine you conservatives are quite proud of yourselves: your goal has been to make the United States of America an international pariah, and, at least according to John Kerry, you have succeeded. And polls of those living in far-off lands provide additional confirmation that you have succeeded.

Kim asks, "Whose lens does Senator Kerry recommend President Bush see the world?" Not surprising that a conservative would ask such a question, having little or no understanding and desire for diplomacy. Uh, Kim, what John Kerry is recommending is that when you deal with them "furreners," you try to place yourself "in their shoes," so to speak. But of course, your capacity to do this is limited, empathy never being one of conservatives' strong abilities.

Europe is our enemy? Sca... (Below threshold)
cirby:

Europe is our enemy? Scandinavia is our enemy? Japan is our enemy? Because that's whose opinions he's describing.

...while sitting next to and shaking hands with one of the most powerful Ayatollahs in Iran...

Kinda funny how you guys keep missing that.

When someone objects to cer... (Below threshold)
Publicus:

When someone objects to certain policies, that means he hates America?! Get a grip!

Maybe you are okay with, say, secret CIA prisons, torture of suspected enemies, etc. Fine. But you're just being absurd conclude that objections to policies means hating America.

I understand and appreciate that you disagree with what Kerry is saying. But, honestly, nearly 70% want us out of Iraq. Do 70% of Americans hate America?

Relax. Fight for your point of view. Criticize Kerry. But don't freak out! It's America where we have free speech and voice our viewpoints. Not a big problem...In fact, something to be proud of!

He's a maroon, much like... (Below threshold)
Jaku:

He's a maroon, much like Howard Dean,

Ha ha ha, yea, everyone made fun of Dean but guess what? His 50 state strategy kicked the crap out of the GOP and sent them packing. Who looks stupid now?

Publicus, you have to under... (Below threshold)
Jaku:

Publicus, you have to understand who you're dealing with here at wizbang. These people aren't moderates, they are the far fringe of the right wing. The authoritarian types who believe anything their enabled blowhards (limbagh, hannity, et al) say. They don't question authority, they worship it.

Of course these are the same people who decried anyone a traitor who didn't go along with Dear Leaders Glorious Forward plan to bring Wal Mart to the Middle East. Now the time has passed and it's painfully apparent to anyone with a brain that Iraq is a disaster, but the wizzies are in 'blame anyone but Bush' mode.

if George Bush lied to t... (Below threshold)
Brian:

if George Bush lied to the country, wasn't Kerry lying to the country as well, when he said the same thing about Iraq? And wasn't Hillary lying too?

There's no doubt that members from both sides were wrong in 2003. The difference is that some came to realize that and tried to fix what they broke, while others started manufacturing evidence to desperately convince the country they were right from the start.

And Dean?

Please explain what Dean was wrong or lying about.

...while sitting next to... (Below threshold)
Brian:

...while sitting next to and shaking hands with one of the most powerful Ayatollahs in Iran...

Like Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam?

Kinda funny how you guys keep missing that.


Jaku--Thanks for y... (Below threshold)
Publicus:

Jaku--

Thanks for your input. I know, of course, that this is a right wing blog. But I'm here because I think that many of the people are smart and sincere. I disagree with them, but I also respect them...Of course some are, as you say, over the edge and not reasonable. But that's true everywhere...

Anyway, I'm not going to spend too much time on this. I just want those who have more flexible minds to know that us liberals don't hate America. Yeah, some will realize this, and some won't...but at least they've heard it.

Lee, I am sure you are int... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

Lee, I am sure you are intelligent enough to realize guys like Kerry get invited to these "conferences" for one reason only. He is assured to simply parrot the desired message and there is no chance he could offer anything remotely creative or intellectually challenging. Meaning he is being used. This man has been living off of a Republican fortune for a while now. He would have a hard time funding his own livelihood at the level he feels he is entitled on a Senator's salary. I am convinced he would wear out his welcome at any respectable think tank in a short time. Please don't give him more credit than he deserves simply because by random chance his views happen to align with yours.

John Kerry is encouraging t... (Below threshold)
jp2:

John Kerry is encouraging the terrorists?

Do you just cut and paste this?

"Ask Not,what your country ... (Below threshold)
FireFireFIre:

"Ask Not,what your country can do for you.
Ask what you can do for your country"
John F Kennedy

"So we have a crisis of confidence in the Middle East in the world, really. I've never seen our country as isolated, as much as a sort of international pariah for a number of reasons as it is today."
John F. Kerry

And yet Massholes keep electing this IDIOT to office.

HEY JOHN KERRY AMERICA LOVE... (Below threshold)
spurwing plover:

HEY JOHN KERRY AMERICA LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT there is no global warming only the HOT AIR from irresponsible politicians

John Kerry is encouragin... (Below threshold)
Jaku:

John Kerry is encouraging the terrorists?

I really hope no one here is that stupid to believe a sitting US Senator would be actively encouraging our enemies. Deep down, they know it's not true but they let their unfiltered hatred and rage flow unrestricted because he said something they didn't agree with.

You know who encouraged the terrorists? L Paul Bremer, idiot viceroy Bush puppet who disbanded the Iraqi Army, then fired them all. Nothing like pissing off 300000 people with military training and access to weapons on their home field.

You know who else encouraged the terrorists? Why, our very own George W Bush, trying to sound tough and manly when he uttered that phrase "Bring em on" when asked about potential attacks on US troops.

Remember that one, wizzies? The goddamn president basically invited our enemies to shoot and bomb our soldiers, and he thought he was so cool when he said that. So did the average Bush follower.

So much for redneck, I mean cowboy diplomacy.

It wasn't a bullet, it was ... (Below threshold)
Myron:

It wasn't a bullet, it was an atomic bomb.

jhow66 and his small penis ... (Below threshold)
slingshot:

jhow66 and his small penis comes out every saturday night and gets on his knees in the men's room.

There's no doubt that membe... (Below threshold)
Unpimp your auto:

There's no doubt that members from both sides were wrong in 2003. The difference is that some came to realize that and tried to fix what they broke

Posted by: Brian at January 27, 2007 02:23 PM

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...while sitting next to and shaking hands with one of the most powerful Ayatollahs in Iran...

Like Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam?

Posted by: Brian at January 27, 2007 02:26 PM


If you believe your position in your first quote, you should believe our position on the war.

Oh you lefties. Only for me, but not for thee.

This is how they all feel. ... (Below threshold)
Jo:

This is how they all feel. I'm so glad he got caught being totally himself. This was the democrats CHOICE for president, folks. Always remember that.

pa·ri·ah -... (Below threshold)
marc:

pa·ri·ah -noun
1. an outcast.
2. any person or animal that is generally despised or avoided.
3. (initial capital letter) a member of a low caste in southern India and Burma.

Odd, seems in Kerry's efforts to denigrate his own country he shows an extreme lack of knowledge of the definition of the word he choose to use.

The only one close is number one but evidence suggests otherwise.

Despite kerry's lie (yes it is a lie Lee, unless you can point to another country that has done more in Africa your statement also labels you as one also) the world has looked to the US to lead in the fight against aids in Africa and elsewhere.

mr. "Global Test" kerry also disregards U.S. leadership in almost every other area of medical research, leadership that is respected thruout the world.

mr "I don't fall down," the "son of a bitch knocked me over." kerry also disregards a higher education system that attracts citizens from countries world-wide.

etc... etc... ad infinitum.

mr. "the truops r dum" kerry misses the point (or lies about them) on so many things it hardly notes mentioning - except - he continually places himself under the microscope by making stupid ignorant statements all in a sorry attempt to remain relevant.

Please explain what Dean was wrong or lying about. Posted by: Brian at January 27, 2007 02:23 PM

Can we assume you also believe as Dean did (all quotes from your link BTW): He has invaded his neighbors, used chemical arms, and failed to account for all the chemical and biological weapons he had before the Gulf War.

He has murdered dissidents, and refused to comply with his obligations under UN Security Council Resolutions.

And he has tried to build a nuclear bomb.

Congrats Brian, you seem to have acquired a bit of common sense recently...... or failed to read your own link.

This is how they all fee... (Below threshold)
Jaku:

This is how they all feel. I'm so glad he got caught being totally himself. This was the democrats CHOICE for president, folks. Always remember that.

Newsflash to slow person, Kerry lost the election in 2004! Your hero Bush won that year, remember? Always remember that.

Keep living in the past if you want. I'd prefer to focus on the issues of today but I can understand why you can't defend Bush anymore. It's much easier to go after Kerry, who is the current right wing boogey man for all things wrong and terrible in the country.

mr. "the truops r dum" k... (Below threshold)
Jaku:

mr. "the truops r dum" kerry misses the point

Any person with a 6th grade education can understand what Kerry meant when he had his comment about Iraq and education, and considering what an oaf he is, of course it came out sounding wrong.

But leave it to the slobbering masses of Hannity fans to pout and puff and get all worked up over nothing.

It's so funny, you get mad at what Kerry said, but not at Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld for fucking up the Iraq situation as they are the guys in the control booth. They didnt send enough troops, they lied about going in, they botched every single step of the way.

But Kerry is the one who deserves your scorn. Gotcha.

Again I laugh and I feel sorry for you guys here.

Like Rumsfeld shaking ha... (Below threshold)
cirby:

Like Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam?

The big difference being that the Rumsfield photo was taken over two decades back, while the Kerry photo was taken less than TWO DAYS ago.

Things have changed a bit in the last twenty years.

Well, except for the Dems. Still making friends with anyone who hates the US.

"Remember when Kerry said d... (Below threshold)
groucho:

"Remember when Kerry said during a presidential debate that we should consult other countries before we defend ourselves?" That's just plain bullshit.

Kerry, unlike King George and his House of Fools, realizes that the world has changed. To survive and prosper in the 21st century we need allies and that it may often be the wisest path to consult with them on occasion, not to ask permission, but to involve them in matters of world importance. He was right then and he's right now.

Virtually the whole world was squarely behind our mission in Afghanistan, but Bush squandered every last bit of support in the 5 years since then. Some leadership.

Once we proudly lead the world by example. This administration has made US a joke.

Always good to see the lib... (Below threshold)
Gianni:

Always good to see the lib troll losers so concerned with disrupting this board. Guess this is the only place they get any attention.

Wonder if libnuts are as good as accepting free speech, as they are at demanding it?

jakuWhy do you ass... (Below threshold)
marc:

jaku

Why do you assume I in particular, and others in general watch Hannity?

I would assume you don't bow at the feet of Olberman and Chris Matthews (or do you?). And BTW I also don't make the leap and believe you slobber over each and every word of Colmes.

Why is it rather than debate an issue raised in a comment thread you spend most of your time denigrating, name calling and otherwise avoiding ANY discussion on that issue?

Is that all you have, making baseless assumptions about others?

jaku I never feel sorry for your type, as you do for "us," but frankly a chuckle crosses my lips on occasion.

Always good to see the l... (Below threshold)
Jaku:

Always good to see the lib troll losers so concerned with disrupting this board. Guess this is the only place they get any attention.

Wonder if libnuts are as good as accepting free speech, as they are at demanding it?

Anytime you care to address my points I made rather than changing the subject, and I'll be waiting.

Until then, continue to sulk and flail like a 5 yr old who lost his recess pass.

BTW jaku... this is a quote... (Below threshold)
marc:

BTW jaku... this is a quote from the guy kerry sat next to while making his statements:

Speaking at Harvard University, the Ayatollah Mohammad Khatami denied that Hizballah is a terrorist organization, and called it "a symbol of Arab resistance."
"Nice" company he keeps.

I would assume yo... (Below threshold)
Jaku:


I would assume you don't bow at the feet of Olberman and Chris Matthews (or do you?). And BTW I also don't make the leap and believe you slobber over each and every word of Colmes.

That's funny. I can't stand any cable news gab-fest shows. I do watch Fake News sometimes for a laugh, but I prefer to get my news in print and online. It's funny you bring up Olberman, like Kerry, he too is target for the wingnut masses who cant stand it when he cleans their proverbial clocks. Anyone send Rush or Hannity fake anthrax in the mail lately? Does Olberman call for people to be rounded up in camps or kicked out of the country, simply for having a difference of opinion?

Why is it rather than debate an issue raised in a comment thread you spend most of your time denigrating, name calling and otherwise avoiding ANY discussion on that issue?

I made my points, but no one can address them in a a calm manner here. Instead the locals are the ones who hurl insults and get all huffy puffy, especially when the Dear Leader is taken to task. That's cardinal sin #1 at any wingnut blog. Dont ever criticize Dear Leader, or his acolytes, because then the terrorists have won.

I knew the right burst a capillary once they lost Congress but man, I had no idea they;d be this angry and bitter.

BTW jaku... this is a qu... (Below threshold)
Jaku:

BTW jaku... this is a quote from the guy kerry sat next to while making his statements:

Guilt by association, then is it? Your arguement is dead in the water, sir. Care to try again? I know you really want to believe that Kerry has the Iranians on his myspace page as friends, but can't you even try to come up with something better than that?

Comedy gold.

The headline of one of the ... (Below threshold)

The headline of one of the trackbacks is priceless:

Domestic Pariah Calls US "A Sort of International Pariah"

Perhaps the wizzers would h... (Below threshold)
Jaku:

Perhaps the wizzers would have preferred to hear Kerry say something along these lines instead

The Dear and Glorious Leaders Perfect Vision for Transforming the Middle East into one giant outlet mall has gone swimmingly well. America is the bestest country in the whole wide world. We never make mistakes or do anything that would harm another nation and if the say otherwise, they must be with the tarrrirrsts. We never put politics ahead of policies. If you all just joined hands and clapped very loudly, then Iraq will be a glorius success annointed by Jeezuz Chryyst himself.

Kim, you say"so... (Below threshold)

Kim, you say

"so through whose lens does Senator Kerry recommend President Bush see the world? Iran's? Al Qaeda's? Hezbollah's?"

Try the UK, France, Canada, Germany, Mexico, Israel etc where several of these countries in a recent poll saw Bush as the greatest threat to world peace w/ the exception that OBL was seen as a greater danger.

I've traveled abroad a number of times and talked w/ citizens of many nations. Almost w/o exception these people think that the Bush regime is a disaster in world affairs.

Of course the Bush sycophants only see thru a neocon lens, just as you do.

As to whether the US is seen as a pariah, check this. Tony Blair's lap-poodle to W has cost him his leadership in the UK.

It's time that people like you take off their blinders and have a check-up for terminal neart-sightedness. The next time that the US is endangered we'll find there's only a coalition of one.

jakuThanks for pro... (Below threshold)
marc:

jaku

Thanks for proving the point.

We're still waiting for you and others to address the patently false assertions kerry made concerning Kyoto and the aids effort in Africa.

As opposed to the "right" did this, the "right" avoids this the right... well their the right, that's all it takes.

As yes guilt by association is a valid criticism. And the very thing that leads to YOU to believe all of those on the right listen, read or watch Hannity, Rush or any of the other talking heads and actually follow their lead or believe in the tripe they peddle.

jaku, hypocrite, is thy name.

There is a lot of "entitlem... (Below threshold)

There is a lot of "entitlement" mentality exhibited in a number of comments today. What makes Africa "entitled" to my earnings? What obligates America to discover the treatment and the cure for Africa's or any other country's diseases? What obligates American "for profit" businesses to spend it's resources where it does no business? What makes anyone think they have a right to tell me I'm not doing enough?

What America sends abroad, by government, business, group, or person, is CHARITY. Of the three things that abide: faith, hope, and charity, it is the greatest. America's charity is, like the welfare state at home, met with resentment and demand for more: entitlement at its best. At this point, the point of demand, it ceases to be charity and becomes more like extortion.

Kerry continues to guarantee his growing irrelevance with his bitter exhibits of loser-itis. Medicine has no pill for that: not in Massachusetts, not at MSNBC, not at the NY Times. The pariah peddlers will wallow in their self-hatred, sympathize with fellow America/Jew/Christian/Not-Me haters, and give stage center to our worst enemies until they are sufficiently punished for their actions of subversion in a time of war.

I don't hate John Kerry. I just get very angry when his existence is noted. By anyone.

Now I will go be angry with myself for allowing the thought of him in my head.

Huh. He <a href="http://ww... (Below threshold)

Huh. He voted against Kyoto.

I guess he was against the treaty before he was for it.

We're still waiting for ... (Below threshold)
Jaku:

We're still waiting for you and others to address the patently false assertions kerry made concerning Kyoto and the aids effort in Africa.


Well I did find this
http://usinfo.state.gov/gi/global_issues/HIV_AIDS/hiv_aids_initiative.html

I liked what I did see, and am glad to know Bush at least offered something to assist. But it was last updated Jan 2006 and it seems Laura Bush was a good person to have out leading the charge, but there hasn't been much since then it seems.
Kyoto, I think the costs outweight the benefits personally. It's rather involved, but you might freak if you knew I don't really support it either.

Unlike jaku and a couple ot... (Below threshold)
marc:

Unlike jaku and a couple others that only add continued nonsense of anti-right bias this is why kery needs to be called out on these statments in regards to Kyoto.

The Kyoto treat was negotiated under the Clinton admin, however he refused to offer it to the Senate for ratification. That refusal was based on the treaty omitting India, China, and other developing nations from following it. In the end Clinton "made nice" to the international community but when push came to shove failed to follow thru.

The Byrd-Hagel Resolution in 1997 passed unanimously in the U.S. Senate. It clearly stated the U.,S. would never support the treaty due to the exclusions previously noted, kerry voted yea for that resolution.

Bush has continued that policy and no one, including kerry, has made any effort other than issuing balloons of hot air about the submission of the treaty for ratification.

So kerry can put up of shut up. Or both.

You didn't look <a href="ht... (Below threshold)
marc:

You didn't look long enough:

The president has tripled direct humanitarian and development aid to the world's most impoverished continent since taking office and recently vowed to double that increased amount by 2010 -- to nearly $9 billion. ...

Bush has increased direct development and humanitarian aid to Africa to more than $4 billion a year from $1.4 billion in 2001, according to the Paris-based Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. And four African nations -- Sudan, Ethiopia, Egypt and Uganda -- rank among the world's top 10 recipients in aid from the United States.

Of course many will ignore this because as they all "believe" Bush is a "racist."

Where would the idea that t... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

Where would the idea that the Connecticutt Cowboy was racist come from? "Eleven days later, Bush presented the display case. Anderson refused to accept the skull because it appeared to belong to a small child. Bush acknowledged this fact but claimed that it was the only relevant artifact in the society's possession."
http://www.yaleherald.com/article.php?Article=2523

Here I thought the disgrace... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

Here I thought the disgrace of the United States 'Dimmey Carter' would die in a few years and we could forget the stupid traitor but someone cloned him and he's taken the name Hanoi John. The Dhimmi's sure turn sour on the country when they lose an election.

Let's see:--Billio... (Below threshold)

Let's see:

--Billions of dollars in aid
--vs.--
--an article in a student newspaper

Hmmm. Which is more important. Think, think....

(Although, it might interest you to know Kerry's a "bonesman" too. He got real defensive when a student being recruited to join challenged him on the fact that the society was all-male.)

JohnAnnArbor, Of course Ker... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

JohnAnnArbor, Of course Kerry's a member! So? Turds of a feather. The actual name is Society of Death. Makes you wonder. And defending Bush for giving away the house money is RICH!

BryanD, did you read the li... (Below threshold)
OhioVoter:

BryanD, did you read the link you quoted?

The "Bush" mentioned WASN'T the current President .. or the former president either.

The idea that our actions in college define us for our entire lives is pretty judgemental to start with - saying that we have to be responsible for actions of our relatives going back a century is completely unfair.

Kerry has been a pathetic A... (Below threshold)

Kerry has been a pathetic America-hater since he left Vietnam after three months and three fake Purple Hearts to malign the US Armed Forces. If he didn't live in the twisted Peoples Republic of Taxachusetts, he'd be just another ambulance chaser.

Instead he's a skirt chaser of rich women. And still hating America after thirty-five years. Too bad we don't have this clown running again for Prez, as he has LOSER written across his forehead.

Kerry accused me of being a... (Below threshold)
Actual:

Kerry accused me of being a murderer, a rapist and a torturer and of allowing men under my command to be the same.

He is a lying son of bitch.

Of course bryanD[enier] rea... (Below threshold)
marc:

Of course bryanD[enier] read his own link. It doesn't matter that the article contains a ref to a family member 2 generations removed.

It doesn't matter, the name Bush is mentioned.

And defending Bush for giving away the house money is RICH! posted by: bryanD at January 27, 2007 07:09 PM

Who is it that's "giving away the house," seems you need a refresher course in how the gov works. Bush may have advocated that aid but its Congress that approves it and authorizes the expenditure.

Moreover, what are you advocating? That Bush stop all aid to Africa or other parts of the world?

Become an isolationist?

Care to comment on Kerry's duplicity in his Kyoto statement? How about sending a letter to kerry demanding he introduce a bill to ratify it?

Rather than spitting at windmills, (via a bill he will offer shortly demanding a deadline be set for leaving Iraq) he actually needs to get off his ass and offer something that has a single iota of a chance to pass.

And so it came to pass that... (Below threshold)
robert the original:

And so it came to pass that Wendell Wilkie, loser to FDR in 1940 and a Republican, began traveling and making speeches in support of FDR's war policy and summoning everyone to help in some way.

When asked if his presidential prospects wouldn't be rather better off in adopting a far different position (like Kerry), Wilkie replied:

"If I could write my own epitaph and if I had to choose between saying, 'Here lies an unimportant President,' or 'Here lies one who contributed to saving freedom at a moment of great peril,' I would prefer the latter."

ohio voter, yeah, Prescott ... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

ohio voter, yeah, Prescott dug up the grave and Jonathon brought another (child's) skull in place of Geronimo's. George is a non-entity until he's set-up in the Texas Rangers job, but he laid in the coffin and did the Cremation of Care like the rest of them.....marc, you act like isolationism's a dirty word. We should only deal with countries when it is in our national self-interest. No UN, no NATO. Ban income taxes, raise tariffs. Call me old-fashioned.

Ok, here comes the friendly... (Below threshold)
Publicus:

Ok, here comes the friendly liberal. Can I say a few things?

1. I don't consider Bush a racist.
2. I don't think he's a terrible human being.
3. I think his policies are very, very bad.
4. I don't think John Kerry hates America.

It's really easy for angry people on the left and right to disparage each other's motives. I think both should keep in mind how difficult it is to judge someone's intentions.

What the right should do is try to prevent any damage they believe the left is doing. And the left should try to prevent damage they believe the right is doing.

And both sides should be doing things that they believe are beneficial to America.

It's fine to disagree...it's healthy and VERY American! But we don't need to be attacking each other's motives...something we really don't know much about...

Off topic, but indulge me f... (Below threshold)
Publicus:

Off topic, but indulge me for a moment...

Forty years ago today, three great American's gave their lives for their country:

Gus Grissom, Ed White, and Roger Chaffee died in the Apollo 1 fire. They were smart, brave and most importantly very good people. It's been a long time, but we shouldn't forget them.

publicus: Grissom's my favo... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

publicus: Grissom's my favorite astronaut! Piss and vinegar! That reminded of this: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1138935117048624484&q=%22Conspiracy+Theory%3A+DID+WE+LAND+ON+THE+MOON%3F%22

I've traveled abro... (Below threshold)
I've traveled abroad a number of times and talked w/ citizens of many nations. Almost w/o exception these people think that the Bush regime is a disaster in world affairs.

Ah, repuke, international man of mystery! Yeah baby!

marc, you act like isol... (Below threshold)
marc:

marc, you act like isolationism's a dirty word.

It could be called that, study U.S. history between the world wars when the country crawled into a shell.

national self-interest? That means what?

we shouldn't have attempted to provide a more stable middle east? (and that is yet to be determined despite those they are crying defeat) And in doing so provide a more stable supply of oil for the world and that would provide the engine the entire worlds economy runs on?

Bush shouldn't have been the first US president to offer a two state solution for the Israel/Palestinian situation?

And what of Darfur?

And what of all the Japanese/Chinese products in your home bryanD? If you truly are an isolationist shouldn't you be tossing them into the ocean.

marc, the US didn't crawl i... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

marc, the US didn't crawl into a shell between the wars, the government was only more discreet because the American people prefered "isolation" from Europe's incessant wars. However, the New York money boys (Morgan especially) pushed the Dawes Plan and then the Young Plan which set the stage for Hitler. America was financing Germany's war reparations. Implicit in the deal was the stifling of communist organizations. Hitler started as an army spy to infiltrate the National Socialist German Workers' Party (NSDAP= Nazis), with unforseen results. If it wasn't for American meddling, the monarchists and Freicorps would have wiped the communists out in the streets. And no, Nazis are not EXACTLY commies, but their touting of a "Brown Revolution" made the Junkers nervous, and thus the army.

I recommend this short movi... (Below threshold)

I recommend this short movie mocking Kim Jong Il and his secret agent for buying Hennessy XO wine abroad :=)

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=EE52D9ED01495685

He's pathetic, and one of t... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

He's pathetic, and one of the most hypocritical people on the planet. God what a waste of space. Typical lib. who doesn't even realized what happened, and what continues, to happen to him, as he shuffles off into oblivion.

marc: (slow night) Darfur? ... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

marc: (slow night) Darfur? I'd DEFINITELY help there! Isolationism is never absolute. Afghanistan invasion? In favor of that ,too. Iraq: the biggest clusterfuck EVER, and yes: Bush lied, people died! (His epitath!) As for foreign-made products with American labels? That's my point: I'd rather pay more to grow OUR economic expansion(anyway, what Korean-made sneakers cost here is 6 times the price in Pohang! We're essentially paying 1st world prices for 2nd world or 3rd world labor)

"slingshit-er-shot"L... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

"slingshit-er-shot"
Looks like the post about p'p' fits you also. You must be a queer as that twice you used the samething.You must have a "ditto" key like p'p'. How about coming up with something differant next time. Gets old reading the samething each time.
(just as an after thought, how would you know if you were not there first? hmmmm)

marc: (slow night) Darfu... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

marc: (slow night) Darfur? I'd DEFINITELY help there! Isolationism is never absolute.

You'd allow it only if it has no remote impact on our national interests?

I mean, you can't claim human rights or else you'd not oppose Iraq so vehemently. So, you like war as long as it does not actually help us in any potential manner.

That's my point: I'd rather pay more to grow OUR economic expansion(anyway, what Korean-made sneakers cost here is 6 times the price in Pohang! We're essentially paying 1st world prices for 2nd world or 3rd world labor)

I'm sure the guy whose minimum wage salary you spend so much time worrying about ALSO opposes having merchandise sold cheaply here.
-=Mike

MikeSC, I'd help in Darfur ... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

MikeSC, I'd help in Darfur because it would be (relatively) easy (an important consideration! GEORGE!)). And I wouldn't be averse to using white phosphorus to achieve the ends. 2 months, US in the air, native army on the ground. Now, Iraq, on the other hand, is the epitome of bad generalship. We have soldiers walking the beat like cops in their hometown, getting picked off from windows or by booby traps. (IED sounds less stupid) Oh! and the Balance of Power thing? Fuggetaboudit!

Hanoi John didn't leave his... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

Hanoi John didn't leave his POOP in D.C. for the demonsttators, he took it to Europe with him. I guess they got plenty of POOP from the Wino's they paid to demonstrate. I see they had the same 20 in my hometown that the pay every election with a bottle of wine and some pork skins to vote dhimmi. Only 20, the rest of the wino's must have migrated to a warmer climate for the winter.

I didn't thing the dhimmi's could get any more comical than they have been since the elections. They prove me wrong every day and show up with more 'POOP' to spread around.

I'd rather pay more to ... (Below threshold)
marc:

I'd rather pay more to grow OUR economic expansion(anyway, what Korean-made sneakers cost here is 6 times the price in Pohang! We're essentially paying 1st world prices for 2nd world or 3rd world labor) Posted by: bryanD at January 27, 2007 10:27

6 times the Korean cost? Your out to lunch. Maybe Indonesia/Philippines, but not Korea.

However, your implication is to flip basic economic practice on its head. Other than individual taxes in States, there's a reason why gas prices differ from state to state, they're priced gas is proced at a level the market will bare.

It's no different with sneakers or any other product from a foreign country.

Moreover, my adopted home is the Philippines. I can buy the very same Dell of HP computer available in the States here for 2-300 dollars less than the U.S.

Would you advocate Dell and HP price here the same as the US? If so you're a fool, market share would drop to single figures.

The more I looked at the ac... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

The more I looked at the actions and the words of the liberals/democrats today, the more despicable they seem. These people took every opportunity to slander their own country. They are more animated to protest their own country on behalf on the enemies. I don't know what to make of these liberals like Hanoi Jane etc... I only wish that they are willing to move and live under the rules of America 's enemies.

They are beyond contempt for me. The more I read about the excuses from the liberal posters on this forum, the more ridiculous they become. These people are either ignorant or just want to spin.

Ah! P.I.! Whoremonger's par... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

Ah! P.I.! Whoremonger's paradise;o)

And San Miguel beer! And bu... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

And San Miguel beer! And buds the length of your arm!

yep, marc ,you're not as du... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

yep, marc ,you're not as dumb as you appear

People in Iran couldn't car... (Below threshold)
Dave:

People in Iran couldn't care less about AIDS and Kyoto. You don't have to be a diplomat to understand that.

Congrats Brian, you seem... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Congrats Brian, you seem to have acquired a bit of common sense recently...... or failed to read your own link.

I read it fully. You apparently read it only halfway. And missed the parts where Dean correctly predicted the dangers and failures that we would encounter if we were to ignore al Qaeda and invade Iraq.

I ask again why you continue to knock Dean when he has been right about everything he predicted, and Bush has been wrong about everything he predicted. You care more about whether the predictions are positive or negative, rather than whether they are accurate.

MikeSC, I'd he... (Below threshold)
MikeSC, I'd help in Darfur because it would be (relatively) easy (an important consideration! GEORGE!)). And I wouldn't be averse to using white phosphorus to achieve the ends. 2 months, US in the air, native army on the ground. Now, Iraq, on the other hand, is the epitome of bad generalship. We have soldiers walking the beat like cops in their hometown, getting picked off from windows or by booby traps. (IED sounds less stupid) Oh! and the Balance of Power thing? Fuggetaboudit!

Posted by: bryanD at January 27, 2007 11:25 PM

Yeah...if it weren't for the gleeful tone people like you seem to have that you want us to fail in Iraq, I would take you and your troll buddies more seriously. But it's hard to do so.

Steve of Norway, I'm not gl... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

Steve of Norway, I'm not gleeful about the debacle in Iraq. But when the Airport Road of apx. 2 1/2 miles in length, has not been secured in 3 1/2 years, do you want me to congratulate someone? You really need to snap out of it!

Ah! P.I.! Whoremonger's... (Below threshold)
marc:

Ah! P.I.! Whoremonger's paradise;o)
Posted by: bryanD at January 28, 2007 12:01 AM

Fuck you!

yep, marc ,you're not as dumb as you appear
Posted by: bryanD at January 28, 2007 12:11 AM

And you appear far more xenophobic that anyone imagined.

marc, weren't you in the na... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

marc, weren't you in the navy? I'm not saying every Philipina's a whore. In fact, they're reputed to be excellent marriage material! But if you want to get laid for 5 bucks and change, Olongapo is the place to go! Been there, done that! Cherry girls; the whole routine! You're the Bushian imperialist and in 20 years, Christian Assyrian ass will be peddled in Baghdad as well. And you never did answer what F1 drivers did before paddle shifters and traction control were installed.

Speaking of that, wasn't it... (Below threshold)
Robert the original:

Speaking of that, wasn't it Marcos who the left constantly complained about? Why are we supporting this brutal dictator and his shoe horse wife, the left asked over and over?

So we take out Saddam, a far worse dictator, and now the left says he "provided stability". Sure, war with Iran, invasion of Kuwait, genocide, oil for food, plots to kill Presidents - with stability like this, who needs Darfur?

What a crock.

Racist. Homophobe. Religi... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Racist. Homophobe. Religious Bigot. Is there nothing BryanD cannot do? Aside from reading comprehension and logic, of course.

"Try the UK, France, Canada... (Below threshold)
Baron Von Ottomatic:

"Try the UK, France, Canada, Germany, Mexico, Israel etc where several of these countries in a recent poll saw Bush as the greatest threat to world peace w/ the exception that OBL was seen as a greater danger.

I've traveled abroad a number of times and talked w/ citizens of many nations. Almost w/o exception these people think that the Bush regime is a disaster in world affairs."

Nice list of countries. The UK has been a faithful ally in the terror war so far, but i'm sure their population is much like our when it comes to instant gratification. They've got soldiers in the fight and they're sick of it. Fair enough. Although I won't be taking lectures on unilateralism and international opinion from what was once the world's largest imperial empire just yet.

France? The country that opposed taking down Saddam because it might expose their "oil for food" graft? The country that vetoes sanctions against The Sudan for its actions in Darfur lest their oil leases in the south be affected? The country that pretty much played inn keeper for the nazis until they oould shoot Fritz in the back as he ran from General Patton? If France is against it you can almost be sure it's the correct thing for America.

Canada? Nice enough folks, but who cares? What are they going to do? Field a hockey team that actually wins the Stanley Cup? Not bloody likely. They should pay less attention to GWBush and a little more to their own government's corruption.

Germany? Where to start? Complicit in the Oil for Food graft and actively selling nuclear technology to Iran (guess they want the moolahs to finsh the job for them...). Hans, remember that whole Berlin Wall thing? What was up with that? Who saved your ass? Oh, and why were US troops already in Europe? For the second time in forty years? But only worse becasue the nazis did what? You Germans are pretty [email protected]&^%d up.

Oh, I'm sorry Mexico. I didn't realize what an important role illegal aliens sending home US dollars played in your survival. How could we possibly dream of securing our borders? How's that cleaning up corruption thing coming? None of our business? Sorry for asking; just keep lining your pockets with graft and sending your problems here to do the jobs Americans won't do for $5/hr but might for $8.

George Bush is the best friend Israel has ever had in the White House. Maybe the Israeli people would be happiest living in "peace" - enduring the occasional suicide bombing while patiently waiting for Iran to go nuclear. Then again, they didn't give Iraq the chance at Osirak. Funny thing though, since they built a wall and bloodied a few noses you don't hear about many suicide attacks these days. Maybe the path to peace doesn't lie through endless Camp David summits with murderous thugs like Nobel Peace Prize winner Yussef Arafat.

I guess ordering the murder of two diplomats and countless suicide bombings doesn't exempt one from the Nobel Prize. As long as it's American diplomats and Jews being killed, of course.

If only Bush would bring home our troops! Imagine spontaneous world peace! Islamists and Animists pounding swords into plowshares across Darfur. Mogadishu would host the Olympics in 2012. Tamil Tigers transform into a top football (the gay kind, not the Super Bowl kind) team. Iran would happily throw open its doors to inspectors since they have nothing to hide. Damn this Bush foreign policy!

Being a leader means doing what you think is right even in the face of criticism and public opinion. I have been subjected to and made decisions that proved to be unpopular and, in hindsight, absolutely correct. Some "see, I told you so". America's not vying for the Miss Congeniality crown. We have interests we need to protect, that's Bush's job. Iraq has been bungled, but I still agree with the decision and want us to win.

If wanting to win in Iraq is unpopular, I don't want to be popular.

The Africa thing is a joke. Bring back the 30+ million that died of malaria because of eco-scaremongering over DDT and explain why we should spend a dime on climate change before every person in Africa has fresh water and proper sewage systems and we'll talk about Bush's commitment to fight AIDS. Ask Bono about it.

The road to the Baghdad air... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

The road to the Baghdad airport is secured now. I had to read that in a report from a blogger who actually traveled there, since the NYT, et al won't report good news there.

MikeSC, I'd help in Darf... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

MikeSC, I'd help in Darfur because it would be (relatively) easy (an important consideration! GEORGE!)).

Yes. Restoring order to an African state infamous for not having order. How in the world could that POSSIBLY go poorly? No chance of problems there. No sir.

But, hey, at least nobody will be dying for American interests I suppose.

And I wouldn't be averse to using white phosphorus to achieve the ends.

Care to explain why a "war crime", as the left so tenderly described it, would be OK in a war that has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with us?

Why not let the vaunted "global community" do something without us for a change? I mean, they've not successfully done squat without us (which makes this demand for "consensus" laughable), but they have to EVENTUALLY pull it off. There has to be one genocidal regime the French don't actively support as they did in Rwanda, right?

2 months, US in the air, native army on the ground.

You are aware that the battle with Saddam's army took less time than that, right? It's the whole "restoring order" thing that has been a bit of a headache.

You're proposing to leave the country in a power vacuum where even MORE can die in battles for control?

Good plan.

Now, Iraq, on the other hand, is the epitome of bad generalship. We have soldiers walking the beat like cops in their hometown, getting picked off from windows or by booby traps. (IED sounds less stupid) Oh! and the Balance of Power thing? Fuggetaboudit!

To fix the problem, we'll have to have the SAME thing with even LESS support for our actions (after all, the UN says nothing all that bad is going on there. Who are WE to question them?)

You either have to admit your criticism of the Iraq War was total political posturing or be a hypocrite. It's your choice. There really is no possible method to reconcile your widely divergent views here.
-=Mike




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