Sounds like they found what they wanted to sate them. So additional blood was unnecessary.

Basically its not hard to be a gracious winner. (yes only in their own minds, but winners none the less)

Why would anyone with a functioning brain give a shit about what communist moonbats think? The old adage was never more true "the only good only good leftist,progressive,socialist,marxist, communist is a dead one".

Heh, not exactly a scientific study, and no evidence presented even if it was. He does point out some recurring themes on blogs, but they tend to be true for both sides.

In any case if the comments above are anything to go by, this will be an amusing thread.

One of my faves...

Guilt by association

Yes, the infamous photo of private-citizen Donald Rumsfeld with Saddam Hussein, or the President shaking hands with some member of the Saad family and the whole "guilt by association" is never an aspect exploited by LWB or LW bloggers. Never happens. Ever.

/laughable irony tag off

LOL

Mantis, I agree. I can barely wait for the usual suspects to chime in.

Jay

Maccabee may have provided no links, but a lot of what he referenced is seen here, particularly by some commenters.

Just above, from cubanbob, "Why would anyone with a functioning brain give a shit about what communist moonbats think?"

If you ignore the overwhelming hypocracy of that post (I mean the main dailykos post that was linked to above), it was actually just a small example of what most Americans get everyday from the "MSM".

The author is commenting on about 1-5% of the whole story about right wing blogs as 95-99% of the whole truth does not fit the neo-com worldview. Just like the MSM which focuses entirely on 1-5% of each story and ignore 95-99% of the whole truth.

It was pretty funny in way, but also sad and sickening as is most of what is posted on that site.

Peter F

"Yes, the infamous photo of private-citizen Donald Rumsfeld with Saddam Hussein, "

Actually, Rumsfeld was a special envoy to Iraq on behalf of President Reagan.

I'm confused now. Was the article mainly about Right Wing Blogger or Right Wing Blog Commenters?

The scariest trend is still heavily present at Wizbang:

"No amount of debunking or facts will changes[sic] their minds"

The fact that the site actively suggests that WMDs were found in Iraq is a textbook example. It's a dangerous attitude.

But this site is pretty good at handling banning. I assume that trolls do make the owner more money, but I think the site is nice because honest discussion does occasionally occur. I am thankful for that 10%.

Why anyone would frequent a comments blog they agree with? Thinking blogs or humourously snarky blogs (isteve, 2blowhards ,udolpho, Walcott) are different. But wallowing in the comfort zone re-assuring each other is sad! But funny to me. And cubanbob's use of "moonbat"... that seems to have generated from Michele Malkin. Now, have you ever SEEN Michele Malkin? If I were going to cast "Queen Moonbat on Mars", she could play it w/o make-up.

ePuke:

1.) You missed the point entirely.
2.) He was a private citizen at the time ("and at this time headed the multinational pharmaceutical company G.D. Searle & Co....") and not an official public servant.

Yes, don't waste time there, the vast, empty frozen tundra of thought.

Can I quote his diety?

"Screw 'Em"

Peter F

"Rumsfeld, then President Ronald Reagan's special Middle East envoy"

I like this claim:

Few of them know the difference between the Sunnis and Shias.

Maybe we should ask the Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee to explain the differences to us. Oh, wait...

Peter F

"Rumsfeld, then President Ronald Reagan's special Middle East envoy"

As a "special envoy" he was not there as a private citixen...rather he was there to explain, among other things, that State Department harangues about the use of CW aka chemical weapons was not directed at Saddam.

I guess Maccabbee couldn't have been Muirgeo, since he was gracious.

Jay..Kos is like the athlete kid who just a signed a big contract..."hey I'm somebody and F you"...
It does not mean he did not deserve it...it is just KOS is not as important as he may think..
Your place is less hostile to my viewpoint than that place is to yours....I embrace Irony...
I quit posting there when it became a "club" where you had to be member before posting..

Of course I should add that it was a poster and not Kos who did this...I'm sure someone could take posts from here and say they represent you...

...by the way...how long do you think that the facts will reveal that our great military victory in killing all those "insurgents" is a bit wrong...
Remember..you can't have insurgents...with the surge

I was wrong...you can have the word "insurgents" with the "surge"...it just looks funny "inents"

"The Pentagon said over 250 inents where killed in fierce fighting." ...doesn't have the same resonance .

ePuke:

An "envoy" is a person, almost always a current private citizen who has prior government experience, delegated to represent a government in its dealings with another; they do NOT, however, hold official government titles, i.e., ambassador, minister, etc. No matter how one looks at it, he was still a private citizen. (If you ask me, "contractor" would be a better albeit less dignified sounding but more apropos title than "envoy".)

delegated to represent a government

That's good enough. He didn't need to hold a title. He was sent at the behest of the US government, and therefore officially represented the US government.

I was also surprised to be received mostly civilly over there. Quite frankly, it took a bit longer for the typical venom to emerge than I expected.

May I suggest something? Just as there is venom on both sides, there is civility, too! Of course, we are discussing emotional issues...so even many of us who are USUALLY civil sometimes slip...

And I'd like to thank you for (mostly) treating me civilly here!

... whatever. When people give credence to 911 Truthers, ... does it matter how they feel about blogs on the other side?

Additionally, I find that in the LWB, the word "c*nt" is thrown about rather haphazardly when a disagreement comes up (check nearly any HuffPo piece during the '04 election run-up).

I have yet to see that particular word on this, or several of the RWB, used to attack someone, personally (there's a dif. between attacking a group of folks, ala "communist moonbats" and going after someone, in particular).

Nor, does the general level of hostility and vitriol, and catter-walling on the right come anywhere that on the left.

Nor, do I see nearly the amount of censorship on the right as is done, regularly, on the left.

And, if you're banned from a RWB, you have to go WAY out of your way to do so.

The dude at Kos can say what he wants, but quite frankly, he's 75% full of crap, but his shouts into the Kos echo chamber will be heralded as something profound since few of the folks over there bother to do more than regurgitate something they heard someone else say.

At least in the RWB, accountability for your sources is actually respected and discussed.

Waste of my time to even check the link and I feel sick having added to their traffic.

Brian,

ePuke was quibbling with whether or not Rummy was a private citizen; clearly, as ePuke's link points out, Rummy was a private citizen at the time of his acting as an envoy. There are no ifs, ands or buts about it; Rummy was a private citizen.

For clarification, envoys are asked to be envoys; they are not there at the "behest" (as defined by Merriam Webster: commanded, ordered) of their government. They can refuse to act as an envoy--most don't, however, out of a sense of service, duty to country or whatever. It would also be a conflict of interest and against US law for a person to hold both a private position and an official government position simultaneously--"envoy" helps get around that sticky legal wicket, albeit only temporarily so. I'm not quibbling that he didn't act on behalf of the government, not at all; he did. But he did so as a private citizen. Therefore, my original compound adjective "private-citizen" is irrefutably correct.

Whatever the minutiae over "envoy" and "private citizen" it ultimately has squat to do with and misses my original comment in regards to "guilt by association" that LWbloggers use almost ad nauseum to prove some point about nefarious dealings, etc. blah blah, blah...

I think the liberals are using projection. They are intolerant, so they think the other side must be doing the same thing that they are doing.

I kept seeing the moral equivalency arg over and over again. There are good people and bad people on both sides etc.... The same response: the US is not perfect and North Korea is not perfect, so the US is the same as North Korea. If we are using the same standard, the right is nor perfect by any means. However, the liberal left is truly in an intellectual and moral sewage.

The fact that the site actively suggests that WMDs were found in Iraq is a textbook example. It's a dangerous attitude.

Do you mean at all? Because scattered, individual weapons and small groups have been found. One sarin shell was even used in an IED, but the bombers probably were unaware it wasn't a standard shell.

But no stockpiles, nor has Wizbang (to my knowledge) claimed that such stockpiles were found. But then again, your ilk is strangely incurious about all those hundreds of trucks that crossed the border with Syria in the weeks leading up to the war. Were they empty? Carrying vegetables? Probably some had money, since we captured at least one truck in Iraq with millions in cash. But what else was there?

However, the liberal left is truly in an intellectual and moral sewage posted by LoveAmerica Immigrant at January 29, 2007 5:18 PM
Kos diary theme No Nuance necessary. Our enemies are all the same.

Hey I thought the Kos diary was a pretty good debunking of some of the recurring memes of Wizbang such as Love AmericaImmigrant's comment . Despite the Kos diarist disclaimer " I purposely pulled out the worse stuff and wrote about it" Jay critcizes the diarist for not giving examples...The evidence shouldn't be too far at hand to find.

Crickmore, that is the point of the criticism. If it is that obvious, and that pervasive, why is the evidence to back it up so hard to provide?

And cubanbob's use of "moonbat"... that seems to have generated from Michele Malkin. Now, have you ever SEEN Michele Malkin? If I were going to cast "Queen Moonbat on Mars", she could play it w/o make-up. Posted by: bryanD at January 29, 2007 03:06 PM

And there you go bryanD opening you mouth and inserting foot. As usual.

It wasn't even anyone from the "right wing" that coined the term Barking Moonbat.

And you can send your apologies to Malkin for the personnel attack on her looks as well. It was cheap and uncalled for.

Interestingly after trawling through the comments on Kos, the overall conclusion was the sheer hatred and rather pathetic and childish comments made by many. Such as urging macabee to take a shower, scrub clean, how brave he was, how going onto the right wing blogs could be likened to the Somme (20,000 British dead on 1st July 1916!!! How much more dangerous is a right wing blog!).

Good heavens, no wonder so many liberals are in almost permanent therapy and a state of denial about what is really going on in the world outside their little dinner parties. Time and time there was no debate just immediate and often crude personal attacks. To call someone a 'moonbat' is rather less rude than attacking their looks, race (as they do regularly with Ms Malkin) or claiming things that have been proven time and again to be untrue. Examples include the fake turkey,(they DO get excited about the little things don't they?) the various Lancet projections of Iraqi casualties, Iran not being involved in attacking the coalition (one of my regimental colleagues was killed in Basra last year thanks to Iranian munitions) and the lack of WMDs. So if they are found hidden in Syria for example what happens then?

One could argue or at least try and debate the issues with people of the opposition viewpoint but the majority of those at DailyKos seem to prefer to attack in a rabid and illthoughout fashion as a matter of automatic choice rather than as a tactic. Most sad.

Whatever the minutiae over "envoy" and "private citizen" it ultimately has squat to do with and misses my original comment in regards to "guilt by association"

It is you who is quibbling over minutiae. Rumsfeld was asked by Reagan to visit Saddam. You dispute the "association" here apparently because a) he was "asked", not "ordered", to do so; and b) he was only a "government envoy", not a paid position. C'mon now.

But regardless, the association here is a legitimate one by which to assess the relationship. It's not like Reagan just knew Saddam from their weekly pinochle game, and had no idea what his day job was. You don't dismiss a proactive relationship as nothing more than "guilt by association".

marc; it says "popular with the Right", with no refutation of M Malkin as the source; I could be wrong, but since 90% of the part-time blogs on the net link from her breakfast nook, and since the word "moonbat" is on 99% of her pages, I stand fast. Now per her looks: it's not neccessarily, a bad thing to have a bat-like face in a vague kind of way. Some bats aren't too ugly, and big eyes are a desirable trait. Are aquiline or leonine traits an insult? The use of the adjectives have been current since Boccaccio, at least. As admiring terms. So I never meant she is ugly; that's your interpretation. ps: Maybe if I would have used " Sailor Moonbat", "Princess Moonbat", etc.

"Do you mean at all? Because scattered, individual weapons and small groups have been found. One sarin shell was even used in an IED, but the bombers probably were unaware it wasn't a standard shell."

Yes I mean at all.

"Weapons of Mass Destruction." 10 year old buried shells with expired agents cannot, by definition, cause mass destruction. You state this in your second sentence above - did it cause mass destruction?

Or you could take the word of the Decider, or Tommy Franks, but as stated above - "No amount of debunking or facts will change their minds."

Brian,

Read the very first sentence of my post. It says "ePuke was quibbling..."etc. (See his orginal quibbling post above.) I'm clarifying and correcting his clear mistake and quibble over my correct use of "private citizen" in reference to Rummy. ePuke picked that argument, not me, bro. He wanted to get ticky-tacky and quibble, fine, I got ticky-tacky and quibbled. He remains wrong.

I am clarifying ePuke's knowledge of what an "envoy" is, does and how they are selected/asked for the job because it obviously means something (what i don't know) to him. "Special envoys" are dime a dozen and used by nearly, if not every government across the globe. There are a multitude of political reasons for sending "special envoys", not the least of which is to "feel out" suspect characters like Saddam without officially doing so. Did we want to figure out what this guy Saddam was up to, especially in regards to the Iran-Iraq war? Heck yeah. So what do you do? Send a "special envoy". Big whoop. Even if it was a big whoop, whatever came of the relationship? Well, nothing, quite frankly. If nothing came of Rummy's visit, then what's the point in citing the photo as some kind of evidence of nefarious goings on? Heck if I know. Entertainment value for conspiracy theorists, I guess.

That's just part of the reason I do not honor the whole "guilt by association" theories in regards to the picture and Rumsfeld's visit. Far too often, LWB's do not put the picture in accurate and reasonable historical context--particularly when people forget that Iran, with its close ties to the USSR, was a sworn and bitter enemy of the US at the time. That's my real quibble.

The truth about rwb and lwb there is no since of discussion. Intellient comments facts proof to back up all the non sense.