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AP Writer Has No Idea How Islamic Messianic Cult Stockpiled Weapons

Really. AP writer Robert Reid has absolutely no idea how an Islamic messianic cult that wants to bring about the return of the 12th Imam could have gotten so many weapons:

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Accounts of the bloody battle near Najaf have produced more questions than answers, raising doubts about Iraqi security forces' performance and concern over tensions within the majority Shiite community.


Among the questions: How did a messianic Shiite cult, the "Soldiers of Heaven," accumulate so many weapons and -- if Iraqi accounts are accurate -- display such military skills? Iraqi forces prevailed only after U.S. and British jets blasted the militants with rockets, machine gunfire and 500-pound bombs. Both U.S. and Iraqi reinforcements had to be sent to the fight.

It's also unclear how a shadowy cult that few Iraqis had ever heard of managed to assemble such a force seemingly without attracting the attention of the authorities earlier. Iraqi officials say the cult planned to slaughter pilgrims and leading clerics at Shiite religious ceremonies Tuesday -- only two days after police and soldiers moved to arrest them.

If the "Soldiers of Heaven" were able to accomplish all this, how many other fringe groups may be operating beneath the radar, especially in the politically factious Shiite community of southern
Iraq? Did the cultists have links to other established insurgent or militia groups?

If Mr. Reid had read blogs like this one or LGF or Noisy Room, he wouldn't have had to ask the question. I've written a number of times here at Wizbang about Ahmadinejad's obsession with the return of the12th Imam, Islam's messianic figure - see posts here, here, and here just to start. We know that Iran is providing the insurgents with IEDs to use against our troops, and we also have reports that Iranian militants have been found in Iraq, so it makes sense that Ahmadinejad is probably behind this Islamic Messianic cult as well.

Hat tip LGF.

Update: Bill Roggio reports at his blog The Fourth Rail that in addition to the Shi'ite end times cult, al Qaeda in Iraq had a hand in it as well, probably orchestrating the Sunni side.


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Comments (29)

He probably thinks that if ... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

He probably thinks that if the Iraqis just had a good gun control law, none of this messy business would have occurred.

Maybe from all those weapon... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Maybe from all those weapon depots that Rummy didn't secure at the beginning of the occupation, but as Rummy said, democracies are messy.

Apparently Barney's defense... (Below threshold)
Brad:

Apparently Barney's defense department has magic wands that ensure an armless enemy.

An amazingly ridiculous thing to write.

Who's funding the Shiia in... (Below threshold)
MyPetGloat:

Who's funding the Shiia insurgencies?

Here's a clue.

I rarely respond to BarneyG... (Below threshold)
David:

I rarely respond to BarneyG2000, but that was really a ignorant thing to say. I know you have a chronic case of BDS, but does it ever occur to you that sometimes it is better to shut up so as to makes us wonder if you are an idiot rather speaking up in order to remove all doubt?

Saudis funding Shiia insurg... (Below threshold)
IllTemperedCur:

Saudis funding Shiia insurgents?? You're kidding, right?

"A Pentagon official Thursd... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

"A Pentagon official Thursday acknowledged that the United States had been forced to leave many ammunition dumps in Iraq unguarded. The official, who declined to be identified, said the U.S. military had identified about 900 sensitive weapons sites in Iraq but had assigned only "a brigade-sized force" to deal with them. A brigade typically has about 3,500 soldiers."


Barney: Strongly suggest th... (Below threshold)
Old Coot:

Barney: Strongly suggest that you put down the shovel and resist future urges to dig the stupidity-hole any deeper. Perhaps it would help if you returned to your home under the bridge and resumed taking your meds.

Hey where have you been "my... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Hey where have you been "mypetgoathumper"? Changing socks?

BDS = Brain Dead Syndrome</... (Below threshold)
bill:

BDS = Brain Dead Syndrome

Now why would the Iranians supply a Shia militia with guns and ammo? Beats me. Why would the Iranians supply Hezbos with same, beats me? Hey do I see a trend developing?

Sorry mypetgoathumper ... Saudis are Sunnis, Iranians are Shia. But you knew that.

Bwhahahahaah...libs are fun... (Below threshold)
Jo:

Bwhahahahaah...libs are funny.

The Saudis are Shia now? T... (Below threshold)
mantis:

The Saudis are Shia now? That was a quick conversion. Why can't the Iraqi Sunni just switch over? That would be a big help.

Gloat clearly works for the... (Below threshold)
drjohn:

Gloat clearly works for the AP.

This would explain the incomprehensible stupidity the AP continually exhibits.

That's right, mypetgoat doe... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

That's right, mypetgoat doesn't know what the hell he is talking about, but we knew that already.

Typical knee-jerk liberal bitch.

This story is very fishy. ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

This story is very fishy. These fighters had SAMs and other modern weapons. They had built bunkers and trenches. They held off not only the Iraqi army, but US forces that included strikers, attack helicopters and fighter jets for over 24-hours.

Re Missing and unaccounted ... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Re Missing and unaccounted for weapons - this was all over the news back in late October. Republicans like Bitchell had their heads so far up their backsides they no doubt missed these reports.

The emphasis on the stupid acts of this administration are mine:

Where did the Iraqi guns go?

"The American military has not properly tracked hundreds of thousands of weapons intended for Iraqi security forces and has failed to provide spare parts, maintenance personnel or even repair manuals for most of the weapons given to the Iraqis, a federal report released Sunday has concluded."

The news leads The New York Times this morning, after Sen. John Warner, R-Va., head of the Senate Armed Services Committee, requested the report from the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction, an office also headed by a Republican.

"The answers came Sunday from the inspector general's office, which found major discrepancies in American military records on where thousands of 9-millimeter pistols and hundreds of assault rifles and other weapons have ended up. The American military did not even take the elementary step of recording the serial numbers of nearly half a million weapons provided to Iraqis, the inspector general found, making it impossible to track or identify any that might be in the wrong hands.

"Exactly where untracked weapons could end up -- and whether some have been used against American soldiers -- were not examined in the report, although black-market arms dealers thrive on the streets of Baghdad, and official Iraq Army and police uniforms can easily be purchased as well, presumably because government shipments are intercepted or otherwise corrupted."

Conservative commenters around here go on bleating like good little sheep with each moronic lie while American soldiers die because of the gross mismanagement.

This all happened at the Defense department, while under Rumsfelds' grossly incompetent hand. More highlights:

Nearly one of every 25 weapons the military bought for Iraqi security forces is missing. Many others cannot be repaired because parts or technical manuals are lacking.

•"Significant challenges remain that put at risk" the U.S. military's goal of strengthening Iraqi security forces by transferring all logistics operations to the defense ministry by the end of 2007.

•"The unstable security environment in Iraq touches every aspect" of the Provincial Reconstruction Team program, in which U.S. government experts help Iraqis develop regional governmental institutions.

The Pentagon cannot account for 14,030 weapons -- almost 4% of the semiautomatic pistols, assault rifles, machine guns, rocket-propelled grenade launchers and other weapons it began supplying to Iraq since the end of 2003.

The missing weapons will not be tracked easily: The Defense Department registered the serial numbers of only about 10,000 of the 370,251 weapons it provided -- less than 3%.

Missing from the Defense Department's inventory books were 13,180 semiautomatic pistols, 751 assault rifles and 99 machine guns.

Now we know where those weapons came from -- our own damn stockpiles -- but here we see the Republican liars busy at work trying to blame Iran -- ain't it amazing the way Bush snaps his fingers and the liars leap for the throat of Iran -- going so far as to blame Iran instead of taking responsibility for their own stupid actions.

Iran isn't innocent, I'm not suggesting that for a second, but the Bush administration is damn well guilty when it comes to weapons falling in the hands of the enemy.

"Gloat clearly works for th... (Below threshold)
MyPetGloat:

"Gloat clearly works for the AP."


Hey Fuckwit:


Copy of the text of a memo prepared by the national security adviser and his aides on the National Security Council

Step up our efforts to get Saudi Arabia to take a leadership role in supporting Iraq by using its influence to move Sunni populations in Iraq out of violence into politics, to cut off any public or private funding provided to the insurgents or death squads from the region and to lean on Syria to terminate its support for Baathists and insurgent leaders

Nice to hear from you, JBlow. -Still scrubbing those peep show booths? Sniffing bicycle seats?

Yeah but I don't hump goats... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Yeah but I don't hump goats. lol

See old "pucker puss" (lee lee) (resident turd polisher) still has his "ditto" key and his store of links. Like who gives a rats behind.

jhow66 doesn't have time to... (Below threshold)
slingshot:

jhow66 doesn't have time to hump goats because he's too busy on his kness in the men's room or using the penis pump. small, so very, very small...

MyPetGloat... (Below threshold)
marc:

MyPetGloat
Let's jump into the wizbang way back machine and travel all the way back to 05:10 PM in this thread.

You asked "Who's funding the Shiia insurgencies?" and provided a link to a map of Saudi Arabia.

Then a little over 4 hours later you provide a link and quote that says exactly nothing, zero, nadda about the Saudi's (Sunnis) assisting the Shias.

It does say the plan was to pressure the Saudi's into moving the Sunnis into the political process.

It does say they need to "cut off any public or private funding provided to the insurgents or death squads,"

Is that the section you refer to? Did your knee-jerk reaction permit you to conflate "insurgents or death squads" into meaning Shias?

Honest mistake or just a foolish partisan that unmasked themselves? (not that it needed doing)

I hate to admit it but Kim ... (Below threshold)

I hate to admit it but Kim could be right about this. Besides Ahmadinejad's obsessions, the Iranians have always been jealous of the fact that the holiest sites in Shiism are located in Iraq and that the Najaf clerics like Sistani are held in higher regard than Iranian clerics based in Qom (Iran's holy city). Iran wants the center of Shiism to be in Iran, not Iraq.

The Middle East is full of sectarian divisions and rivalries that boggle the mind. This battle in Najaf could be the start of a major battle for supremacy within the Shiite communities of Iraq. There are a lot of militias, with a lot of weaponry, outside agitators and (still) a dangerous power vacuum created by our destruction of the Baathist regime.

The Iranians, of course, will profit from all of this. They are the big winners from our intervention in Iraq and their backing will be key to whichever Shiite militia eventually takes over. They're everywhere in that country and there's zero probability of us rooting them out with the minimal forces that we have deployed there.

Aside from the bite-fightin... (Below threshold)
snowballs:

Aside from the bite-fighting on this post, Lee, are you sure of this statement?

Now we know where those weapons came from -- our own damn stockpiles

You seem fairly sure of that statement - emphasis yours right?

From your first linked article:

Exactly where untracked weapons could end up -- and whether some have been used against American soldiers -- were not examined in the report..

...and from the 2nd article...

Nearly one of every 25 weapons the military bought for Iraqi security forces is missing.

My first question - were they delivered? Let's assume that they were. The question then; are they in the hands of the AIF now?

I'm not quite sure why you seem to be so confident in these statements, but at least you've tried to cya with "Iran" and "innocent" stated in the same sentence.

Ok, that's a cheap-shot. So if any of these weapons, pistols, rifles/machine guns have been used against U.S. forces, then it's probably ok for you to simply blame Republicans.

Ok Barney, I will talk very... (Below threshold)
David:

Ok Barney, I will talk very slowly as it is obvious that you have the mental capacity of a beet. The Heaven Cult is supported by the Iranians. Now I know that you personally want to be a slaveboy to the Iranians, some of us don't'.
In 2002 thaat Iraqi army had over a million people that had machine guns. The question isn't why they had 500 guns, the question is why didn't they have more. Did it not occur to your wee litlte mind that some of the weapons were supplied by the Iranians? Of course you didn't, that actually takes thought.

Well Barney I know your type, you pretend to care about people, but if we leave Iraq and millions die, you don't give a damn. Actual people don't matter to you, just theory. When we left Viet Nam, 2-6 million Cambodians died, but you don't give a rat's ass. If we left the middle east and hundreds of millions of people died,you could care less. Let me be blunt, you are evil with a small e. Your are too stupid to be a big E evil.

Why is so hard to believe t... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Why is so hard to believe that looting unsecured weapon caches was a bad thing? Are you telling me that none of the US casualties were caused by looted high explosives?

Najaf was turned over to the Iraqi government and placed under Iraqi army control last summer. Shortly after that, the "cult" group purchased the land, and started fortifying the compound. Over the course of several months, they built bunkers, trenches and weapon caches. They amassed a force 900 to 1000 soldiers. They had SAM and other shoulder launched missiles, heavy machine guns, and mortars. They were well trained, well equipped and even had uniforms.

All this under the nose of the Iraqi army. This is the kind of sh*t our forces are in the middle of.

As far as Cambodia, I didn't know that the North Vietnamese killed 2 to 6 MM Cambodians? I thought it was Cambodians that killed Cambodians, and can you inform me (David) which side of the civil war the US was fighting for?

What is a Messianic Muslim ... (Below threshold)
Neal:

What is a Messianic Muslim Cult?

I thought Messianic implied Christain origins (Jesus=Messiah to Christains). The 12 Imam is not a Messiah, but a great leader and warrior.

For more info on the 12th I... (Below threshold)
nikkolai:

For more info on the 12th Imam, check with the pint sized little dictator of Iran. This Islamo-fascist "Ken Doll" is a world-recognized expert on the coming world caliphate.

I thought Messianic impl... (Below threshold)
mantis:

I thought Messianic implied Christain origins (Jesus=Messiah to Christains). The 12 Imam is not a Messiah, but a great leader and warrior.

Maybe you could just, I don't know, use Google? You might learn a little about the origins of all three major Abrahamic religions, Judaism, Islam, and Christianity (there's also Bahá'í). They all believe in the coming messiah. For the Jews, he hasn't shown up yet. For Christians, he is Jesus, and he's coming back later (sooner?). For Muslims, Jesus was a prophet and the Messiah, and he will return, followed by the true savior, al-Mahdi (the twelfth Imam). Jesus then will defeat the Anti-christ. In Islam the word messiah has a broader meaning than in Christianity (at least in English), and Jesus is the Messiah in Islam (he's referred to as such 11 times in the Qur'an), even though he is not considered the Son of God, per se. Muslims don't believe that Allah needs sons, since he can never die.

It's interesting that Christians and Muslims are so in sync in terms of their beliefs about Jesus and the Messiah (Muslims even believe in the virgin birth), as opposed to those of Jews. Doesn't really matter all that much when people are willing to kill each other over the little details, despite the congruence of the larger themes.

I really do hump goats. lol... (Below threshold)
jhow69:

I really do hump goats. lol

Old "pucker puss" (lee lee) (resident turd polisher) still has his "ditto" key and his store of links. Like who gives a rats behind.

he he lol, ha ha he he lol lol "pucker puss" "turd polisher" I like sticking onions up my bum he he lol ha ha ho ho lol lol lee lee.

One of your better comments... (Below threshold)
Lee:

One of your better comments, jhow66. Keep up the good work. You're making me look like such a damn fool...




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