" I seriously doubt they will. They are too arrogant to listen to anyone other than those who echo their own beliefs." Kim

You mean the 70% of American that believe our policy in Iraq is complete failure? Kim, why do hate America so much?

Check out his myspace page:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=29807380

Bravo, Sgt. Jeffers! Well said.

That is one angry dude! especially his web page..I wonder what he would be doing in peace time?

Whoooo hoooo!

Tell it like it is man. Love it.

Awesome display of true rational nuanced thought.

Thank you for restoring a bit of faith in mankind to my cynical self.

Barneygoogle you are one poor excuse for a human. Wee wee on you. Sheeeze

That means a lot coming from you jhow.

Two comments:
President has repeatedly said that he would give the Generals what ever they wanted, so any criticism should be directed at the Generals in charge and not activists or the media.

Yes, CBS, CNN and MSNBC rarely cover the "ground" breaking of a new school or hospital (at least not in the hot-zone which is about all of Iraq outside of Kurdistan) but what about FOX, Limbaugh and the rest of right wring media? They complain about it (lack of coverage) all the the time, but they never get around to reporting about it.

Jeffers refers to the Bush haters.

Back on 9/11 the haters were as scarce as hen's teeth.

It took the subsequent years of Bush squandering the national, not to mention world, goodwill that had united people around the world.

The national mood about Bush's war of choice has virtually disappeared (30%) and Americans have a right to have had their fill.

If Jeffers is dismayed by the lack of enthusiastic support (My country, right or wrong) then he too should question his president about his horrific and catastrohic misstake.

Most Americans are reviled by the meat-grinder into which this ignorant Decider decided to cast America's finest defenders. The fool of a Decider ought better to have decided to learn more about the nature of the Mid-East and its terribly tortured history rather than stupidly initiate the neocon PNAC vision of American 21st century power.

Support of the troops should not mean throwing more into the maws of the Bush meat-grinder so he can try to save his face.

You mean the 70% of American that believe our policy in Iraq is complete failure?

...and, once again, "disapprove of our actions in Iraq" does not equal "complete failure."

A huge proportion of that "70%" is made up of people who disapprove because we're not doing ENOUGH in Iraq. For example, most right-wingers disapprove, because we're not being hard-assed enough with some of the bad guys.

I disapprove, for example, because we're playing by the "rules of war" as mentioned above, instead of playing by the rules the bad guys use, and too much of our government is listening to people like yourself and going for the stupid "talk them to death" position.

So just remember that when you quote the "70%," you're also voting to go in and kill more bad guys.

Again, wingnuts hide behind the apron of a soldier. Maybe this soldier needs to concentrate on his mission (what is it again?) rather than call his fellow Americans (who pay his salary) unpatriotic.

"Americans are so concerned now with politics, that it is interfering with our war."

See, that's a big problem with him right there. It isn't THEIR war, it's America's war. We are paying for it and our relatives and friends are dying in it.

Actually, I'm glad he believes in what he is doing. I want ALL soldiers to believe in their mission (whatever it is) because if they don't they won't stay alive. But if we don't let grunts dictate US policy, at least that's what wingnuts tell us when military people oppose the war.

"A huge proportion of that "70%" is made up of people who disapprove because we're not doing ENOUGH in Iraq. "

Cite?

Just remember that the 70% figure that is thrown about is from a poll from the MSM. I can poll twenty people who have read this post and the comments and get 95% that would approve of removing the heads of all dhimmi dummies on here. Just pick and choose who you poll like the media does. Even the nuts throwing aroung the 70% know it's a phony number and they're shown as phonies by using it. Guess it makes them feel good to run things down since they will never accomplish as much in their entire life as one member of the military has in a month. Which military member? Just pick one.

Like the email I got today from a Vietnam Vet organization, 'time to lock and load' (literally) right here in the U.S.
Don't let the slime and cowards of the country destroy the accomplishments of another generation as the slime like Hanoi Jane and John and they're followers did to Vietnam vets. This applies to Puke and Barney Fife.

scrap,

http://goarmy.com

Knock yourself out. Lock and load.

Chickenhawk! Chickenhawk!

BRRRRAAAAWWWKKK! BRRRRAAAAWWWKKK! BRRRRAAAAWWWKKK!

Reality, you need some new material. Chickenhawk is the liberal version of "Take my wife. Please".

And every day, the enemy changes...only now, the enemy is becoming something new. The enemy is transitioning from the Muslim extremists to Americans.
'time to lock and load' (literally) right here in the U.S....
And we all thought a civil war was going on in Iraq.

Really, all you would need to do to defeat the wizbang crowd is cut the Cheeto supply line.

I was unaware that Cindy Sheehan and Al Franken had anything to do with the planning or execution of the invasion of Iraq. Yet their names come up all over the right blogs as if they are responsible for the failures in Iraq.

If I remember right, it was a Republican administration that birthed these plans to invade a country that posed no threat to us. Yes, chime in about how the Democrats rolled over too and went along with it, but they were the minority at the time and didn't have a seat at the table of the Great Decider.

So why is it that people like the solider who wrote this column fail to understand who is repsonsible for the current situation in Iraq?

Is it because he invested so much emotionally in what Dear Leader said he is now afraid to admit how wrong they are?

Or is it easier to blame Al Franken?

This reminds me of elementary school, where my classmate would get into trouble for doing something but would insist it was my fault from across the class because I was making faces at him.

Steve:

Way to take two completely separate and unrelated comments (one from Sgt. Jeffers, the other from a poster) and try to meld them into one, incoherent and utterly pointless comment, suggesting that liberals and neocons are in or are about to be in some kind of civil war in America. What an idiotic comment to make.

What an excellent piece. Sgt Jeffers, I'm with you. Godspeed.

O'kay Peter F. yes my comment was hyberbole and meant to be treated that way as I presume Scrapiron's and St.Jeffers were as well, (I should hope so) but I don't find their comments unrelated or seperate...I think St. Jeffers is Scrapiron's prodigal son (metaphorically)..St. Jeffer's Iraq is Scrapiron's Vietnam..What's so depressing is that both sides (in America) the pro'war and antiwar are so hardened once again as they were almost two generations ago ( the grandfather cycle) I believe they call it.

If you ever needed evidence that scrapie is a spoof, just read his post above. Nobody could possible be that ignorant.

If you really are that ignorant, than I apologies for the spoof accusation.

"I wonder what he would do in peace time." Crickmore.

I hope he comes looking for you, BarneyG, and Repukelican. Why don't you go back to the left/dark side. I get tired of reading your trash.

"So why is it that people like the solider who wrote this column fail to understand who is repsonsible for the current situation in Iraq?"

So why is it that pretty much everyone on the left does not understand what the term "morale" means?

The actions and words of the left including the MSM, & politicians like Dick Durban, Ted Kennedy, John Murtha, and now Hillary and the rest of the leftist presidential candidates have done nothing but bolster the morale of the terrorists and give them the will to fight on.

I think that was the single biggest mistake the President made with regard to Iraq-- he failed to properly estimate and plan for the tremendous amount of moral support and encouragement the terrorists were going to get from the leftists around the world and especially in this country.

The excessive denial being expressed by the leftists in this thread is quite telling...

Back on 9/11 the haters were as scarce as hen's teeth.

Bullshit. Go back and look at archives of places like Fark.com, and realize that the ones making the worst comments were just the ones who came out of shock first. Almost everyone else was too busy being freaked out, but the Usual Morons were already well in stride.

"You know Bush is probably going to try and attack someone to look all righteous in the people's eyes...yuck... "

"CNN's cable channel is showing the buildings as they burn, non-stop. Bush is making an announcement. He says we're going to find the 'folks responsible.'
This just in: Terrorists now to be referred to as 'folks.'"

"Does this explain Bush's out of the ordinary LONG vacation? The pentagon may have been tipped off earlier."

"This just in: Bush declares martial law, issues mandate that requires all Islamic citizens to wear big yellow Moon & Star patch on arm. Next step: purification of America. "

The above quotes were just the most obvious from the day or two after 9/11.

As far as international support went, it wasn't that impressive,. After a few "we feel bad for you comments, the real feelings started coming out.

The actions and words of the left including the MSM, & politicians like Dick Durban, Ted Kennedy, John Murtha, and now Hillary and the rest of the leftist presidential candidates have done nothing but bolster the morale of the terrorists and give them the will to fight on.

100% absolute bullshit. This is the most intellectually bankrupt arguement I have ever seen. It's almost laughable if you weren't so serious.

I hate to break it to you, but 140000 US troops in the heart of the Arab world is what emboldens the 'terrorists'. Abu Gharib emboldens terrorists. Bush saying "Bring em on" emboldens the terrorists.

You really think the terrorists sit around and watch C-Span waiting for Dick Durbin to speak, and then they go, now we must kill US troops, because of what a US Senator said? Are you that deluded or naive?

The terrorists don't need any encouragement. The fact that we are occupying a Muslim country is what gives them cause to hate us and want to kill us, not what some US politician said.

Again, the projection here is simply astonishing.
It's not Bush's fault, no, it's Hillary's fault because she wants the troops to come home and she is vocal about it.

I'm sorry someone tell me again what happens when you constantly tell a student that they can't pass, that they are a loser, that they have to cheat to get any kind of a "good" score. Yet you support them by telling them that at least they're trying? Will someone please tell me how the left is supporting our troops?

Good Job cirby, may I add:

9/13/03 700 Club
JERRY FALWELL: And I agree totally with you that the Lord has protected us so wonderfully these 225 years. And since 1812, this is the first time that we've been attacked on our soil and by far the worst results. And I fear, as Donald Rumsfeld, the Secretary of Defense, said yesterday, that this is only the beginning. And with biological warfare available to these monsters -- the Husseins, the Bin Ladens, the Arafats -- what we saw on Tuesday, as terrible as it is, could be miniscule if, in fact -- if, in fact -- God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve.

PAT ROBERTSON: Jerry, that's my feeling. I think we've just seen the antechamber to terror. We haven't even begun to see what they can do to the major population.

JERRY FALWELL: The ACLU's got to take a lot of blame for this.

PAT ROBERTSON: Well yes.

JERRY FALWELL: And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say "you helped this happen."

PAT ROBERTSON: Well, I totally concur, and the problem is we have adopted that agenda at the highest levels of our government. And so we're responsible as a free society for what the top people do. And, the top people, of course, is the court system..

JERRY FALWELL: Pat, did you notice yesterday the ACLU and all the Christ-haters, People For the American Way, NOW, etc. were totally disregarded by the Democrats and the Republicans in both houses of Congress as they went out on the steps and called out on to God in prayer and sang "God Bless America" and said "let the ACLU be hanged". In other words, when the nation is on its knees, the only normal and natural and spiritual thing to do is what we ought to be doing all the time - calling upon God. ~~~

PAT ROBERTSON: > Amen

Maybe this soldier needs to concentrate on his mission (what is it again?) rather than call his fellow Americans (who pay his salary) unpatriotic.

..followed by..

scrap,

http://goarmy.com

Knock yourself out. Lock and load.

What a dickhead.

BG2:
Nobody could possible be that ignorant.

After your ignorant "70%" post, this is well into the potkettleblack range.

Jaku:
I hate to break it to you, but 140000 US troops in the heart of the Arab world is what emboldens the 'terrorists'.

This comment flies in the face of everything that's happened in the Middle East since, well, ever.

The guys we're up against have a big belief in "riding the strong horse,' which means that they back whoever seems to be the baddest guy on the block. You might note that, whenver we increase operations (AKA "surge"), attacks drop off, and when we back off, they increase.

The fact that we are occupying a Muslim country is what gives them cause to hate us and want to kill us, not what some US politician said.

So when we weren't occupying a Muslim country, the 9/11 attacks were just imaginary. Abu Ghraib did, a bit, since they consider that sort of treatment of prisoners too kind, and think we're weak because we didn't cut off their heads with a dull knife.

The reason they hate us and want us dead isn't because of any of our actions. They want us dead because we're NOT THEM, and haven't submitted to Muslim law. The only way we have open to us are either complete submission by us or complete defeat of the bad guys.

"So when we weren't occupying a Muslim country, the 9/11 attacks were just imaginary." by cirby

If you would bother to read OBL manifesto, one reason he attacked the US was because we had a permeant air-base in Mecca.

Keep up the good work, and don't let the facts stand in the way.

Really, all you would need to do to defeat the wizbang crowd is cut the Cheeto supply line.

Actually I prefer Cool Ranch Doritos.

Barney:

There's a BIG friggin' difference between occupying a country and being granted an air force base by the Saudi Arabian government. And for crying out loud, the Prince Sultan Air Base is actually inside the Al Kharj, Saudi Arabiam, 80mi SW of Riyahd--and nowhere near friggin' Mecca, which is located near the Red Sea.

Yes, that's right. Don't let the facts stand in the way of your inability to Google something so simple.

"If you would bother to read OBL manifesto, one reason he attacked the US was because we had a permeant air-base in Mecca."

You appear to have a very narrow view of the workings of life and politics in general. Keep the appeasement talking points coming.

Chip. Will someone please tell me how the left is supporting our troops?

I would suggest that by wanting them to get home as safely and as soon as possible, before Bush's term is out....With Cheney at Bush's ear, they could be still be fighting an unconvential war without any clear chance of victory on their upteenth tour of hard duty, long after Bush is living his, soft retirement, writing his memoirs, in Crawford.

The Loony Left v. U.S. Military. Vegas odds, anyone?