Last week, Carolina Journal took the story of the John Edwards' Chapel Hill mansion national with a story and picture of the 28,000 square foot house on over 100 acres. Now Michael Medved explains why he finds the Edwards' estate worthy of scrutiny, including the following.
Has Edwards spoken to his pal Al Gore about his lavish, energy soaking plantation? Anyone calculated the "carbon footprint" of a 29,000 square foot home? Can you imagine how much natural gas or electricity or nuclear power (only kidding) it takes to heat that puppy? Consider the huge contribution to Global Warming (identified by Edwards and all other Democrats as a dire threat to civilization) by chopping down a hundred acres of forest and installing this monstrously excessive residence.I posted a picture of the Edwards' estate here last weekend. I didn't get into the detail Medved did in my thinking about the monster house because I could not get past the political considerations. Here is the thing about that house -- it is something everyone can understand. It is not necessary to understand law or public policy or national politics to know that no one needs a house that big. I am all for people enjoying the fruits of their labor, including having a big house and other things beyond their basic needs. But when you are preaching about poverty in America, in fact, basing your entire presidential campaign on that issue, you have to be an idiot to think people won't find such excess socially insensitive at best. Obnoxious and completely out of touch at worst. There is a difference in having a big house, and having a house that might have been contender for largest house in the state, but for the fact that North Carolina is already home to the largest house in the country, the Biltmore Estate.
It will be hard for even diehard Democrats to ignore the obvious question. How could Edwards be serious about addressing poverty in America if he would choose to spend his vast fortune on his private residence, rather than build a somewhat less monstrous mansion and donate some of the money saved to Habitat for Humanity or another worthy cause that could help the economically disadvantaged? I think that house is going to be a huge political problem for him and the fact that he does not see it as such makes me question his political instincts. Doesn't he remember that the last Democrat elected President was homeless, for goodness sake?
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Al Gore was homeless? (I k... (Below threshold)1. Posted by Blake | February 2, 2007 1:23 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Al Gore was homeless? (I kid, I kid.)
1. Posted by Blake | February 2, 2007 1:23 AM |
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2. Posted by Brian | February 2, 2007 2:31 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I think that house is going to be a huge political problem for him and the fact that he does not see it as such makes me question his political instincts.
Coming from the party whose predictions and political instincts have such a dismal accuracy record, I don't think Edwards is worried.
2. Posted by Brian | February 2, 2007 2:31 AM |
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3. Posted by bryanD | February 2, 2007 3:16 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Wham-O! The Relativist-Republicans have come out of the closet and are in full tattle mode! WILL the Green-Eyed Monster be the mascot for this exciting new party? WILL the politics of envy extend to Enron, Halliburton, Dead Eye, or Dub'ya? I'm sure Michael Medved will "EXPLAIN" why not in a future article.
3. Posted by bryanD | February 2, 2007 3:16 AM |
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4. Posted by marc | February 2, 2007 3:20 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Only one thing I see wrong with that house.
It's not mine.
And if Edwards agrees to sign the title over to me I'll heat it with cow dung and plant trees so thick a second Cedar Revolution will start over root space.
4. Posted by marc | February 2, 2007 3:20 AM |
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5. Posted by superdestroyer | February 2, 2007 4:58 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
It is very telling that many left of center commenters will defend Edwards and "carry water for the Democratic Party" instead of criticizing Edwards for his excess.
I guess that means that the Democratic response to the State of the Union was for show and that Senator Webb did not really mean it. The comments of "progressive" commenters also demonstrates that they do not really believe that talk about global warning but instead want to use the threat of global warning as a method on instituting central planning and invasive governmental controls.
5. Posted by superdestroyer | February 2, 2007 4:58 AM |
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6. Posted by Wanderlust | February 2, 2007 5:08 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Lorie, a few comments:
1. Edwards' house may be powered from a nuke plant after all. The Shearon Harris One Nuclear Power Plant is located in New Hill, NC (Wake County). This facility is 20 miles from Chapel Hill (point to point measurement on Google Earth). So give credit for the Breck Girl reducing his carbon footprint by using nuclear power. Will Gore do the same?
2. As I pointed out in your previous post, a high resolution version of the Edwards compound photograph can be found at this link to the Carolina Journal website. You can clearly see just how much greenhouse gas reducing forest that the Breck Girl cut down with the fortune he earned fighting all those evil doctors and corporations.
3. I think Brian is right about Edwards not needing to be worried, but for the wrong reason: if Joe Biden can make comments about "clean" African-Americans and Indian convenience store clerks without incident, but George Allen gets practically crucified in the press over the "macaca" comment, I'd say Edwards could have his 29,000 sq. ft. house built in the middle of the Lower Ninth Ward of New Orleans, and Democrats would still vote for him.
Exit question: does Edwards have a gold hairbrush to go with that mansion?
6. Posted by Wanderlust | February 2, 2007 5:08 AM |
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7. Posted by Jim Addison | February 2, 2007 5:09 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Yes, superdestroyer, our leftists are hopeless little hypocrites.
It's hard for them to get their tiny little brains wrapped around any sort of concept. Note how Brian gloats at having won ONE election in a row.
No wonder they lap up that Edwards "Two Americas" crap . . .
7. Posted by Jim Addison | February 2, 2007 5:09 AM |
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8. Posted by jpm100 | February 2, 2007 6:23 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The radical left takes its marching orders from George Soros. Someone willing to throw small countries into economic chaos to make a buck. Its about power. Being a ranking member is a system where the majority of the rest of us are regulated by the government and dependent on the government.
The 'two classes' is just a means to and end meant to appeal to the useful idiots much like dangling candy to children to get them to do what you want.
8. Posted by jpm100 | February 2, 2007 6:23 AM |
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9. Posted by Hugh | February 2, 2007 7:33 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Perhaps he could takes some lessons from Barbara Bush about poverty:
"What I'm hearing, which is sort of scary, is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is so overwhelmed by the hospitality. And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this is working very well for them."
Ewwww, more poor people in Teaxs. Maybe she could give the Kennebunkport "summer" mansion to the poor and that would at least keep them out of Texas.
9. Posted by Hugh | February 2, 2007 7:33 AM |
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10. Posted by WildWillie | February 2, 2007 7:42 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hugh
You are confused, again. The Republican Party encourages success, wants people to succeed. The Demo (lition) Party wants people to loath the self made success stories that make America great. Edwards is the one who expresses how the rich don't care about the poor, etc. If you cannot see the very obvious hypocritical stance he is taking, there is no hope at all for your party. ww
10. Posted by WildWillie | February 2, 2007 7:42 AM |
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11. Posted by Reality | February 2, 2007 7:57 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Is that all you've got? Get used to being a permanent minority party.
11. Posted by Reality | February 2, 2007 7:57 AM |
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12. Posted by goddessoftheclassroom | February 2, 2007 7:59 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
jpm100, I agree: it's about power. Yes, the Republicans want power, too, but at least some of them keep a bigger picture in mind towards which to work. It seems the Democrats just say what they thin people want to hear; I still don't know what their "big picture" is.
12. Posted by goddessoftheclassroom | February 2, 2007 7:59 AM |
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13. Posted by Rob LA Ca. | February 2, 2007 8:07 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Superdestroyer, they are all willing "Perpetrators" in the "Criminal Democrat Party of Perpetual Fraud". Their bogus claims of the existence of some "vast right wing conspiracy" wasn't cutting it as a strategy to exuse their corruption being exposed by the Republican Party and the few honest reporters brave enough to expose the party that worships the PIAPS.
13. Posted by Rob LA Ca. | February 2, 2007 8:07 AM |
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14. Posted by Lee | February 2, 2007 8:09 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I see the whiners are up early today -- another restless night worrying about low-income America, huh Republicans? As if anyone would believe that for a nanosecond.
I"m looking forward to Lorie's list of Republicans who support Habitats for Humanity. Hell, a list of Republicans who know that poor people exist in the United States would be a good start, and it wouldn't take up much room.
Nothing is as funny as conservatives pretending to care about other Americans -- at least those who don't belong to the same religious cult as them... but let's turn our critical eye towards the viable, electable Republicans and see how they stand up to the same scrutiny..... checking.... WAIT A MINUTE! There aren't any viable, electable Republican candidates! My bad....
14. Posted by Lee | February 2, 2007 8:09 AM |
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15. Posted by Rob LA Ca. | February 2, 2007 8:31 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
"Is that all you've got? Get used to being a permanent minority party.
Posted by: Reality at February 2, 2007 07:57 AM"
This is what the Democrat Party is all about. A bunch of incompetant rich arrogant tantrum throwers even when they get what they want. And the Names they give themselves is just more proof of their hypocracy and fraud by using such words as reality , Truth , American ....... and the dictators favorite line of "the People have spoken".
Ooooh! are you threatening me? With that big bad word "Permanent"? You Rats were just in the complete MINORITY and to make yourselves feel good
and forget where you were , you tell yourselves it's OK , they are now going to be in the Permanent Minority. LOL. You fibbing little cry babies are a real embarrassment to Our Great Country and the human race.
Don't you just love freedom? These democrat drones are exercising their right to be just as dumb as humanly possible.
15. Posted by Rob LA Ca. | February 2, 2007 8:31 AM |
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16. Posted by jim | February 2, 2007 8:47 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
So, is Edwards a believer in noblesse oblige?
Or perhaps in Jane Austen?
"A baronet must be seen to live like a baronet."
--- _Persuasion_
16. Posted by jim | February 2, 2007 8:47 AM |
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17. Posted by Herman | February 2, 2007 8:49 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Lorie asks, "Doesn't he remember that the last Democrat elected President was homeless, for goodness sake?"
Lorie, Al Gore was NOT homeless.
While Republicans obsess over what houses politicians live in, far, far, FAR more telling is how these politicians vote. Just this week, the Democratic-controlled House easily passed a noteworthy bill designed to support refugee programs and to fight malaria, AIDS, and tuberculosis. Now, you might ask, who comprised a vast majority of those opposing the passing of this bill? Why, of course, none other than red-state Republicans whom you conservatives place into power, that's who!!
Much better to spend billions upon billions upon billions of dollars on say, war or Dick Cheney's company, Halliburton, than on children stuck in deep poverty or suffering from infectious diseases, right, conservatives??? Jesus Christ himself would heartily approve, right, conservatives??? And if he wouldn't, why do you have the gall to call yourselves Christians, when you're nothing but hypocrites???
Got an answer, dudes?
17. Posted by Herman | February 2, 2007 8:49 AM |
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18. Posted by Rob LA Ca. | February 2, 2007 8:59 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Ladies and Gentleman , Introducing the leader of the bed wetting pack of compuslive liars sporting a "Black Belt" in Hypocracy , it calls itself LEE!
For those who are not aware of Lee and his family , hugh , pukeface and the rest , we are watching history in the making. They are literally evolving backwards right before our very eyes. We are truly blessed to be able to witness this unfortunate phenominom that has been self inflicted resulting in the untreatable "BUSH DERANGEMENT SYNDROME". Let this be a lesson for future generations to come.
It is really funny at times watching these poor pathetic individuals struggle to grasp reality, having not a clue the difference between fantasy and reality. Sad but funny as hell.
18. Posted by Rob LA Ca. | February 2, 2007 8:59 AM |
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19. Posted by cmd | February 2, 2007 9:03 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
"It will be hard for even diehard Democrats to ignore the obvious question. . ."
Oh, Lorie, thanks for this morning's chuckle. Ignore? That's Democrat SOP, from terrorism to treason. Look at Wizbang's resident trolls, whom I'd consider fairly representative leftist shills:
Brian - "coming from the party whose predictions. . .have such a dismal accuracy record. . ."
Deflecting the question? Check.
bryanD - "the politics of envy. . ."
Deflecting the question again.
Hugh - "perhaps he could take some lessons from Barbara Bush. . ."
Republicans are meanies, too! Whatever, pal - are you going to address Lorie's question, or do we just call the WAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHmbulance?
Reality - "is that all you've got?"
Can't address the question, can you?
Lee - "I'm looking forward to Lorie's list of Republicans who support Habitat for Humanity. . ."
The question is about the Breck Girl's house, Lee, not about the feel-good scam of the Jew-hating Carter.
So there's your answer, Lorie - Democrats will simply ignore the house and deflect the question to GOP perfidy, just like they ignored slumlord Al Gore, rapist Bill Clinton, "jew bastard" Hillary and so on ad nauseam. Remember the narrative - when a liberal like little Johnny Edwards builds a grand palace, he's inviting the proles to live vicariously through him while he "fights" for them against the evil, rich, Republican robber barons. When a Republican builds a big house, its walls are mortared by the blood of negroes and the lawn watered by the tears of starving orphans. It would be funny if it (and the leftie clowns here) wasn't so predictable.
19. Posted by cmd | February 2, 2007 9:03 AM |
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20. Posted by Lorie Byrd | February 2, 2007 9:04 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hugh, I didn't know Barbara Bush was running for President on an anti-poverty platform. I'd love the link for that bit of news because I missed it entirely. I guess if that is your defense for Edwards' excess then you really have no response.
Lee, you must not know any Republicans. I do and know plenty who have worked on Habitat homes and contributed to Habitat. I have contributed myself, but just very small contributions since I don't have the resources Edwards won by channeling infants (or are they fetuses) in the womb for juries here in my home state.
Just a note, Edwards was legally entitled to take the huge 1/3 plus expenses chunk out of the settlements and awards he won on behalf of victims. That is how he made his fortune. He was not, however, required to take it. It was always within his discretion to lower his fee and let the victims keep more of the money juries awarded them. I know that lawyers take risks with contingency cases and when they "hit the jackpot" with a huge jury award or settlement it often makes up for many lost cases. That does not appear to be the case with Edwards, who I have been told turned down many cases that he didn't think would be lucrative enough. There were plenty of times he could have reduced his fee, or he could have donated huge chunks of his income to charity (poverty fighting charities even) and still had enough left to be a multimillionaire.
I don't think all rich people should be required to give all their money away, but there have been quite a few studies showing that Republicans give far more to charity than Democrats, even when those Democrats have the same or greater resources. I just think at the least you could give them credit for it.
Your stereotype, Lee, does not jibe with the facts. Does your anti-religious comment mean that you believe any money given to faith-related charities doesn't count. How loving and compassionate that is? Does that mean you would prefer people go hungry to being fed by a faith-based charity?
Lee's funniest comment, though, was about Republicans not supporting Habitat for Humanity. The list would probably be as long as Dem supporters of the charity. Evidently, Lee doesn't know much about the organization or he would know that it is a Christian ministry (http://www.habitat.org/how/christian.aspx) and would not have made the religious cult comment. Unbelieveable.
20. Posted by Lorie Byrd | February 2, 2007 9:04 AM |
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21. Posted by Rob LA Ca. | February 2, 2007 9:15 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
"Got an answer, dudes?"
Ya , don't listen to Herman, he's the DEVIL. He's here to tell lies and tempt those in the Party of Good to attact him which is the only way he can gain strenth.
"the Democratic-controlled House easily passed a noteworthy bill designed to support refugee programs and to fight malaria, AIDS, and tuberculosis."
Of Course , Democrats can only do with taxpayers money what Republicans do with their own money. Democrats never do in their private lives the things they claim to care about once in positions of Power. What is that called again? Umm..... Oh ya it's the same thing they use to call actors in Biblical days , HYPOCRITES!LOL....
21. Posted by Rob LA Ca. | February 2, 2007 9:15 AM |
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22. Posted by Hugh | February 2, 2007 9:23 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Lorie:
Could you please detail for us the charitable donations and charitable works that John Edwards has made and performed?
No you can't? I didn't think so.
P.S. Your post was silly and as usual completely without factual support, ergo my (equally silly) reference to Barbra Bush.
22. Posted by Hugh | February 2, 2007 9:23 AM |
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23. Posted by J.R. | February 2, 2007 9:33 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
P.S. Your post was silly and as usual completely without factual support, ergo my (equally silly) reference to Barbra Bush.
Did Edwards not build that huge house while cutting down a number of trees in the process? Is he not running on a Presidential platform of 2 Americas, highlighting poverty? Do you not find this highly hypocritical?
Keeping in mind that we are only talking about Edwards here.
So what about this post is not supported by facts?
23. Posted by J.R. | February 2, 2007 9:33 AM |
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24. Posted by Hugh | February 2, 2007 9:47 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
J.R.
How about this?
"......and donate some of the money....." My question was pretty simple, show us what you know about his donations.
24. Posted by Hugh | February 2, 2007 9:47 AM |
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25. Posted by aRepukelican | February 2, 2007 9:53 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Lorie
Just another one of your Demophobic posts pushing the RWB crap about Democratic hypocrisy, courtesy of the left-coast phoney Medved.
If there were such a measure possible, I'd bet my net worth that the total carbon footprint of all Democrats would make the total Republican carbon footprint look like Bigfoot's.
You ought to be pointing out what you can buy in NC for your money; $6 million for 28000 sq ft isn't bad compared to NYC prices or CA prices. I wonder what the average Manhattan 5000 sq ft apartment costs? Probably not much under $6 mil.
There are plenty of rich fat cats who typically pay $6million plus for a home. They are part of the 10% of Americans who own 70% of the accumulated wealth of this country.
Regardless of how Edwards divested himself of his net worth, it wouldn't make the least difference to an increase in the median wealth of this nation.
Yes, the Edward's house is profligate, but it does not invalidate the core idea of 2 Americas. When 10% of the population controls 70% of accumulated wealth, it would take a complete asshole like Medved to attempt to deny the reality that the US has the biggest wealth gap in its population of any other developed western democracy. To find a comparable Gini coefficient to the US wealth gap, you would have to go to countrirs like Brazil or Argentina or most of Central America, where the gap in wealth is obscene.
I can't wait to see what Republican buys the $155 million mansion in Montana, regardless of its squre footage.
25. Posted by aRepukelican | February 2, 2007 9:53 AM |
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26. Posted by mantis | February 2, 2007 10:10 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
there have been quite a few studies showing that Republicans give far more to charity than Democrats, even when those Democrats have the same or greater resources.
Could you point to any such studies? I'd like to have a look.
26. Posted by mantis | February 2, 2007 10:10 AM |
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27. Posted by Lorie | February 2, 2007 10:13 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Duh, Puke. Yeah, prices are higher in Cali and NY and lots of other places than here in NC. My main point was regarding the political repercussions. Say whatever you want and defend Edwards mansion all you want, but that will not change the way the house will "play" in poor and middle America and those using this as a weapon to beat Edwards about the head will be Hillary and the other Dems in the primary -- although some of it may be done behind the scenes.
27. Posted by Lorie | February 2, 2007 10:13 AM |
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28. Posted by Hugh | February 2, 2007 10:20 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Lorie:
I take your silence to my request to give us what you know about Edwards charitable donations as an admission that, as usual, you don't know the facts. Thank you.
H
28. Posted by Hugh | February 2, 2007 10:20 AM |
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29. Posted by J.R. | February 2, 2007 10:20 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The donating the money reference was to the costs of building his mansion. It's pretty clear to me that it was Lorie meant. Build a smaller house and put your money where your mouth is and donate more to the causes you (Edwards) claim to champion.
It is astounding that not one of the left of center posters here can point to and denigrate the hypocrisy of John Edwards and instead will excuse it and/or point somewhere else.
29. Posted by J.R. | February 2, 2007 10:20 AM |
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30. Posted by Hugh | February 2, 2007 10:38 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I don't know where people like JR and Lorie (in her case figuratively) get the balls to criticize anyone....Edwards or anyone else without any knowledge of the facts. The ONLY thing you know is that he built a very large very expensive house. You know NOTHING about to whom or how much he donates money. Yet you feel free to call him a hypocrite because you assume something, In this case assuming makes an ass out of you.
What hypocrisy exactly are you talking about? That he advocates for the poor but builds an expensive home? What should he do? Wear sack cloth and live in a trailer? The absurdity of your argument is mind boggling.
30. Posted by Hugh | February 2, 2007 10:38 AM |
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31. Posted by jp | February 2, 2007 10:41 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Dick Cheney donated 6.9 Million dollars to charity last year, 3/4's of his income!
"Do as I say, not as I do" liberal puppet master hypocrites aren't so generious but selfish punks like Edwards.
31. Posted by jp | February 2, 2007 10:41 AM |
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32. Posted by Rob LA Ca. | February 2, 2007 10:46 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Cmd, that was a beautiful first round knockout. They don't even know what hit them. That's why they will be back for more.
32. Posted by Rob LA Ca. | February 2, 2007 10:46 AM |
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33. Posted by Lorie | February 2, 2007 10:50 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Hugh,
I am not assuming anything. I am saying the perception that will be created as a result of the mansion will be a political liability. That is only "assuming" I know anything at all about the way politics works. I know a little about it -- certainly enough to know it will not be a political plus. Whether or not Edwards gave every other dime he ever earned in his life to charity, which I am pretty sure he didn't, the house will still stand as a symbol of excess. Are you really arguing otherwise, or are you just mad that I am "picking on" Edwards?
33. Posted by Lorie | February 2, 2007 10:50 AM |
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34. Posted by Hugh | February 2, 2007 11:04 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Lorie:
Unlike you I don't know whether his house will be a symbol of excess.....why it should be to a Republican is beyond me. It appears to me that the right believes that folks on the left who have money are ipso facto hypocrites. Why?
That said, it was you Lorie who wrote "....and donate some of the money saved...." You raised the issue of charity, not me. I've simply challenged you to support what you wrote. Clearly you can't. I'm not mad you're picking on Edwards. I'm irritated that you won't own your own writing.
How exactly is it hypocrisy to build an expensive home and be an advocate for the poor. Again, I'd like some facts not your usual emotional rendering.
34. Posted by Hugh | February 2, 2007 11:04 AM |
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35. Posted by aRepukelican | February 2, 2007 11:14 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
FDR did not have to divest himself of his fortune & move to a trailer to promise the "New Deal" campaign.
Get off your pseudo-hypocrisy Lorie.
35. Posted by aRepukelican | February 2, 2007 11:14 AM |
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