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What Would Margaret Thatcher Do?

When Hillary Clinton announced that she was going to form a presidential exploratory committee, Terry McAuliffe proudly announced that Hillary Clinton was the new Margaret Thatcher. I scoffed at such a ludicrous idea. Hillary Clinton is no more Margaret Thatcher than I am the Easter Bunny. For one, Lady Thatcher would not say anything so obviously contrived as "Let's talk, let's chat. Let's have a dialogue." And the former British prime minister would certainly never propose having a chat with Iran and Syria, which is what Hillary is recommending.

NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. presidential contender Hillary Rodham Clinton said on Thursday the United States should talk with Iran and Syria as she outlined a plan for the Middle East that left open the possibility of military action against Tehran.


The New York Democratic senator, who aims in 2008 to become the first woman U.S. president, said in a speech to a pro-Israel lobbying group that valuable knowledge and leverage could be gained from engaging with those countries and organizations.

"I have advocated engagement with our enemies and Israel's enemies because I want to understand better what we can do to defeat those who are aiming their hatred, their extremism and their weapons at us," Clinton told the American Israel Public Affairs Committee dinner in New York.

The wife of former President Bill Clinton said new tactics were needed "in the endeavor to rein in terrorism, to prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear power and to quell the influence of (Islamist groups) Hezbollah and Hamas"

And just how will having a dialogue with Iran and Syria accomplish the goals of reining in terrorism, preventing Iran from becoming a nuclear power, and quelling the influence of Hezbollah and Hamas? In a couple of words: it won't. Ahmadinejad must be rubbing his hands together in anticipation of a Hillary Clinton dialogue session. The British were lucky during the cold war to have the leadership of the Iron Lady while we, during one of the most important moments in our country's history, risk being stuck with Chatty Cathy.

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And just how will having... (Below threshold)
Jaku:

And just how will having a dialogue with Iran and Syria accomplish the goals of reining in terrorism, preventing Iran from becoming a nuclear power, and quelling the influence of Hezbollah and Hamas? In a couple of words: it won't.

You're right, Kim. Negotiations are for weaklings and pussies. Let's just go in and kill them all. Yea, that's the ticket. Not sure what army will do this, but this talky business is for fools.

Jaku -It takes two... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Jaku -

It takes two sides negotiating in good faith to produce a lasting agreement.

Do you really, honestly, and truely think that Syria and Iran would negotiate in good faith, and abide by the results of any talks?

We know that Bush's concert... (Below threshold)
Lee:

We know that Bush's concerted efforts at avoiding a dialog with Tehran has not resulted in reigning in Iran in any way -- in fact we are seeing daily evidence of Iran's increasing complicity in the Iraq war despite Bush's best efforts. Personally I think Bush is afraid of diplomatic measures because he knows that he's at a disadvantage in a war of wits....

.. but about these baseless attacks on Hillary. Where did she use "chat" in discussing a dialog with Iran, Kim? -- it didn't happen, or prove me wrong with a link - but I won't hold my breath, Chatty Kimmie. My guess is that you're making it up again.

Do you really, honestly,... (Below threshold)
Jaku:

Do you really, honestly, and truely think that Syria and Iran would negotiate in good faith, and abide by the results of any talks?

We don;t know yet do we? Are you ready to dismiss the idea altogether just on an assumption? Yes, Iran and Syria, at least the assholes who run the country, are not our friends and have been behind attacks on us and our interests. We know that and they do. But could it hurt to try?

Talks are rather inexpensive to host and can sometimes yield results that are beneficial to both parties. Not always, but they have been known to quell potential bad scenarios.

Military use should be the last option, the last one.

So call me whatever you want, but I do think trying to communicate with a hostile nation is a good idea. Anything that avoids violence is a good idea.


Iran offered assistance to ... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

Iran offered assistance to the US after 9/11. Instead, W included them in his Axis of Evil speech. Despite this, Iran has invited the national wrestling team to participate in a friendly tourney, but no! The plan for war has been set and no interferance with that plan will be tolerated. Iran is evil, evil, evil! As for Syria, Sen Ben Nelson this week explained at a CFR conference on C-SPAN, that there have been REPEATED offers of friendship and assistance by cabinet-level Syrian officials, but when these are relayed to Rumsfeld, they disappear or are ignored. As for Hamas and Hezballah: Democracy, Baby!

WHAT A JOKE!<p... (Below threshold)

WHAT A JOKE!

Margaret Thatcher reinvigorated a stagnating British economy with a program of privatization and deregulation, reform of the trade unions, TAX CUTS and the introduction of some market mechanisms into health and education. Her aim was to reduce the role of government and increase individual self-reliance. To my mind THESE are the hallmarks of Maggies' legacy, just the OPPOSITE of anything Hillary "our greatness comes from government" Clinton stands for.

Just shows you what McAulif... (Below threshold)
jo:

Just shows you what McAuliffe thinks of Margaret Thatcher! That she was greeeeaaaat.

We agree. Reagan & Thatcher. The best of the best.

Not to worry, we now have H... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

Not to worry, we now have Hellary-Hugo Chavez-Klington running for dictator of the United States. Everything will be fine as long as you don't want any freedoms.

<a href="http://www.nysun.c... (Below threshold)
Lee:

THAT explains it - -Kim must still be getting those GOP "Talking Points' emails:

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney on Friday accused Democratic front-runner Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of "timidity" regarding the security threat posed by Iran.

In a speech to a retreat of conservative congressional Republicans, Romney lashed out at Clinton for telling a pro- Israel dinner that a dialogue with countries hostile to Israel -- including Iran and Syria -- is needed to promote peace in the Middle East.

"At this point, We don't need a listening tour about Iran," Romney told the Republican Study Committee. "Someone who wants to engage Iran displays a troubling timidity toward a terrible threat of a nuclear Iran."

That explains why Kim, out of the blue, lays into Hillary for being "chatty" -- she's just doing what her GOP puppeteers ask her to do.

Talks are rather inex... (Below threshold)

Talks are rather inexpensive to host and can sometimes yield results that are beneficial to both parties. Not always, but they have been known to quell potential bad scenarios.

Jaku
I agree if you're referencing examples like Reykjavik...but then those talks were not inexpensive given the prior deployment of Pershing missiles in Germany. I frankly like those kind of "talks"; if we don't achieve our objective we simply shake our head and leave....with our threat already in place.

I think the Iranians and the Syrians would respond in the same way as the Sovs did to Raegan...they would fold.

You guys just don't get it,... (Below threshold)

You guys just don't get it, do you.

The US and other countries have been talking to Iran for years now. Iran's response is usually "we listened to what you have to say and we'll get back to you with a response some time next year". Then, next year, they say "we decided we need to hold more talks to clarify our position.. shall we say in six months?" Rinse, lather, repeat. Meanwhile they're funding terrorism and building nuclear weapons. I guess you could say, they're playing you all for chumps.

Nicholas,They will... (Below threshold)
Rovin:

Nicholas,

They will get it when a very bright light blinds them just seconds before.......

Hitler also preferred diplomacy up to a point.

Nicholas,I get it ... (Below threshold)

Nicholas,

I get it all to well. Maybe my point to Jaku was not as blunt as it should have been.

They are, indeed, playing us for chumps, just as every historical enemy of the US has done. Our response should be to negotiate from a position of absolute power. When the enemy's unacceptable demands intersect with our strategic national security interests then we should become the aggressor. With the Sovs we had the "stick" of MAD, but with Syria and Iran we have tactical alternatives.

Granted, we have been "talking" to Iran since 1978, but remember that we talked to the Sovs for almost fifty years. As much as I hate the Iranian humiliation of the US in 1979, we should talk to them for as long as it takes for the US to develop an effective tactical and strategic response to their threat. In the interim the US should do everything to destroy Iran's economic viability. This will weaken them militarily.

All of the above is based on political will...and that is a great and serious unknown.

"And just how will having a... (Below threshold)
jp2:

"And just how will having a dialogue with Iran and Syria accomplish the goals of reining in terrorism, preventing Iran from becoming a nuclear power, and quelling the influence of Hezbollah and Hamas? In a couple of words: it won't."

Great record for the not-talking policy Kim. Iraq, Iran and N.Korea now are disasters - and let's not forget NoKo is now nuclear... Hezbollah is bigger, as is Hamas... The "axis of evil" have all grown in influence thanks to poor political and military planning from this administration.

The "axis of evil"... (Below threshold)
Rovin:
The "axis of evil" have all grown in influence thanks to poor political and military planning from this administration.

While Jp asserts that this all transpired after 9/11 and Clinton had no idea of such intel that would/should have seen the "cancer" growing (11 shots of Bin Laden).....

I would submit that even though this administration has committed errors in the prosecution of this war, the previous hauncho's did their share of F**kin' thangs up.

RoviWhy don't you ... (Below threshold)
aRepukelican:

Rovi

Why don't you go back to the administration of Andrew Jackson.

Wizpuppies just never give up going far enough back to find anyone but Bush to blame.

If you are going to make an inane comment like that, spell it out instead of regugitating RWB BS.

Yeah, if we'd only kept pay... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Yeah, if we'd only kept paying tribute to the Barbary pirates... we'd be terror free today!

I agree with aR, and to the... (Below threshold)
Lee:

I agree with aR, and to the credit of this administration I haven't noticed a lot of blame shifting coming from the White House (maybe it's happening and I'm just not noticing). Most people of integrity admit to owning a problem once it falls in their lap. The instant Bush was sworn in it all became his fault, that comes with the job, and I haven't heard WH folks denying that.

People like Rovin just cannot personally accept responsibility for their decision to help elect these buffoons, and therefore have blinded themselves to reality, helped along by other blind enablers like the writers on this blog.

It's one big, happy community of self-deluded liars and smear monkeys -- making up facts and stating something as such with no basis in reality - and all the while the WizNutcakes just lap up all of these wonderful excuses made to explain why it's never George Bush's fault, and it's always the Democrats... and therefore never it's the fault of those who elect and defend George Bush.

America knows better.

But again - that isn't the administration talking, it's just the nutcakes who cant' live with the reality of their own stupid mistakes.

Yeah, like you libbies neve... (Below threshold)
Jo:

Yeah, like you libbies never reach into the past. That's why we hear about Nixon and Vietnam everyday, because you guys live in the present.
lol.

Just heard the head of the Osama Bin Laden unit under Clinton say the other day that Clinton blew at least 10 chances to get Bin Laden.

Nice Billy Boy. Nice.

Hillary "chattie" Clinton--... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Hillary "chattie" Clinton--a John F&^%*g sKerry with tits (I presume).

"That's why we hear abou... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"That's why we hear about Nixon and Vietnam everyday, because you guys live in the present. "

You'll have to keep up with us, Jo, if you are going to sit at the big people table and talk to the adults.

Both sides will be quick to point out past mistakes, no one is denying that. What we're discussing is the blame for present problems being pushed back onto past administrations... ie... blaming the fact that bin Laden is still free and operating unencumbered on an administration that's been out of office for over six years.

Your appearance, complete with foot in mouth and "you libbies" on your lips, perfectly illustrates the WizNut buffonery. Are you a "libby" sockpuppet? you could not have done a better job....

Oh and I missed old "pucker... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Oh and I missed old "pucker puss" (lee lee) (resident turd polisher)'s ditto post. linkie linkie.

Just when did you get out o... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Just when did you get out of the 1st grade p'p'?
Adult? Sure you are. Ditto again.

As a self deluded liar and ... (Below threshold)
dickdee:

As a self deluded liar and smear monkey, i'd like to smear some of this on Lee-Pee. There ya go Lee, you're lookin' a lot better with that jackass hat on. The Pres is gonna beat the liberal dems at their own game; slowly putting them in a corner now. They are so invested in defeat that they are now reaching the point where they won't support the troops. They never have but only mouthed those words. Lee-Pee doesn't even support the mission, of course, but it will take the dems 50 years to recover if we win this fight. So, I say take off the gloves and kick jihad ass...and metaphorically we'll be doing the same to the demorats.

We know that Bush's con... (Below threshold)
marc:

We know that Bush's concerted efforts at avoiding a dialog with Tehran has not resulted in reigning in Iran in any way -- in fact we are seeing daily evidence of Iran's increasing complicity in the Iraq war despite Bush's best efforts. Lee at February 2, 2007 06:22 PM

Lee, perhaps you can regale us all in the successes of the EU3 who have negotiated with Iran since December 2004 after Iran broke its earlier agreement of October 2003 to suspend enrichment activities.

At this point the IAEA still hasn't verified the country's compliance with its safeguards agreement.

The EU3 strategy to offer Iran economic incentives in turn for "objective assurances" of the peaceful nature of the Iranian nuclear program has thus far remained unfruitful, even after the United States agreed to support Iran's entry into the World Trade Organization in March 2005.

So tells us Lee, we all await your more enlightened approach to the Iran problem. Just what would you, or more importantly Hillary, offer Iran?

What Would Margaret That... (Below threshold)

What Would Margaret Thatcher Do?

You mean when she's not making apologies for murdering dictators?

Oooh, that's right. Those icky people were almost brown enough.

Who the fuck ties your shoes in the morning?

Wingnuts. Almost too stupid to breathe. Pity.

Lee describes his Democra... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

Lee describes his Democrat Party of Criminal Frauds to the "T".

"It's one big, happy community of self-deluded liars and smear monkeys -- making up facts and stating something as such with no basis in reality"

HA!! HA HA HA! Hey everybody , listen to this bed wetter.

"Most people of integrity admit to owning a problem once it falls in their lap."

Or better yet , when they get it all over someone elses lap right Lee?

Or when they on national TV lie to the whole world about "not having sex with that woman, Lewinsky" (Check)

After which the entire Democrat Media and lamebrains come up with another lie (talking points) to try and spin the fact that their beloved BJ Clinton has been proven 100% to be the lying sack of shit everyone knows he is.

"What we're discussing is the blame for present problems being pushed back onto past administrations... ie... blaming the fact that bin Laden is still free and operating unencumbered on an administration that's been out of office for over six years."

Unemcumbered ? Nice try stupid . You've been caught once again telling a lie desparately attempting to rewrite History in hopes of erasing the shit stain known as "Slick Willie" or just plain "BJ". Not only "UNEMCUMBERED" but also "SET FREE" are the undisputed facts about Osama Bin Laden under the "MOST CORRUPT pRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY" bj clinton. BJ did nothing and we were attacked again and again.

You want us to believe that running for your life , hiding in caves qualifies as unemcumbered after 9/11 to smear President Bush?

Sorry loser , you failed. You cannot even prove the POS is even alive or the last time he has been seen alive. As usual you failed. And to put the icing of the democraps cake BJ himself send "Sandy Pants" to go back in time (national Archives) and destroy any evidence exposing the Clintons Colossal Failures and blatant lies.

I couldn't help but laugh at that words of the incompetant frightened PIAPS stating all wars must be finished prior to her winning the Presidency. LOL What a sick delusional fake she is. What a big fat fraud the Democrat party is .

You mean when she's not... (Below threshold)
marc:

You mean when she's not making apologies for murdering dictators? Wingnuts. Almost too stupid to breathe. Pity. Posted by: RedStayteColluge at February 3, 2007 01:01 AM

Aside from your lack of civil discourse your spin machine is predominately evident in your comment.

Far from making apologies she was visiting Pinochet after being arrested by Thatcher's government and thanking him for his support during the Falklands war.

Libtards (some not all), almost too stupid to comment. Pity.

You idiots need to think mo... (Below threshold)
bored:

You idiots need to think more and toss off on the internet less. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad does not pose a threat to American security, as he requires approval from the Ayatollah to do anything but talk. The Ayatollah has no interest in military conflict with the U.S. or Israel.

Either find something to substantiate your paranoia, or shut the fuck up and figure out a way to end the war in Iraq (and Afghanistan--remember that place?!) rather than drumming up another one that you won't enlist to fight in.

Hey W'bored how did you com... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Hey W'bored how did you come up with this infomation? Do you set in on thier meetings? If not that is just your opinion which everyone has one. Your statement is BS therefore.

Either find something t... (Below threshold)
marc:

Either find something to substantiate your paranoia, or shut the fuck up and figure out a way to end the war in Iraq (and Afghanistan--remember that place?!) rather than drumming up another one that you won't enlist to fight in. Posted by: bored at February 3, 2007 04:21 AM

Remember your 5th year birthday party "bored?" Remember the puppet show that was part of the entertainment?

Guess who the puppet is in Iran nitwit?

Wait, that may be asking too much for someone who screams shut-up to differing opinions, I'll have to spell it out for you.

Every Iranian president since 1979 has been a puppet with the hands of the Mullahs up their backs.

Guess who it is that makes the decisions to support Hezbollah? Or Palestinian terrorists? It ain't the puppet Iranian president asshat!

OH... I'm sorry, did I speak when I was supposed to "shut-up?"

Being "bored" has made your mind like a stagnate pool of water.

Lee-Lee likes to act like h... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

Lee-Lee likes to act like he's smart. I'll bet his momma still has to fasten his velcro shoes. Tying a string would be out of the question.

Scrap'-you hit the nail rig... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Scrap'-you hit the nail right on the head. LOL




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