I have read Padagon off & on for quite some time. It always struck me as one of the most vitriolic, veracious, and anti-religious sites on the web. (I suppose that's why its popular among the cultural left)

So when I heard that she had been hired by a previous Democratic vice-presidential candidate I felt I had to do something.

You combine the name calling with what isproperly described as a complete ignorance of Catholic teachings. (I believe it goes beyond that, surely they are aware that said teachings have greater purpose than mere prudery or misogyny) Yet they persistently combine such claims along with pictures, epitaphs, slander, and sneer.

The blog itself concerns itself with attacks on the religious right along with mostly pro-gay extremist rhetoric.

One assumes that Edwards staffers took would take another look at what's posted their and justifiably run for cover.

"Ohhhhhh NOOOOOOoooooooo, I would never mean to offend those people whom I clearly despise. PROMISE!!"

I think this was the worst strategy -- fire them and rehire them. He loses respect from both sides.

Sounds like he learned something from Kerry.

Reposting from another thread:

Is there any doubt about what the nutroots would be saying if Marcotte had aimed her potty-mouth at Mohammed? Is there any doubt about what those same folks would say if a Republican candidate hired Ann Coulter? F'n hypocrites.

I guess Marcotte is just living up to the moonbats' claim to be "speaking truth to power".

I'm with Wavemaker; it was a totally political tone-deaf response. Edwards had two choices: either fire them, or take a stand and support them. Instead, he mumbled a half-assed apology, and now he's putting his head in the sand waiting for it all to go away. The result is that the moderate voters are going to be turned off, and the nutroots are going to regard him as pwned and won't feel obligated to support him.

Well, it's not like Edwards is actually going to be a contender, anyway.

And Glenn Reynolds approves of Edwards' decision. Gee, what a shock!!

Lorie

"I know this might earn him some credibility with his lunatic fringe Bush-hating base,"

And...you,Lorie & Kim have credibility w/ your lunatic fringe, Democratic-hating base.

You sup, licking at the feet of Malkin/Slattern or the "temperate?" hater, Coulter, and you have the nerve to script a post like this?

Just look at the kind of posting that you 2 do, virtually everyday. Link w/ extremist rightie haters like the 2 above,give currency to their hate- shit, yell and scream as you poison the well, and, then never correct the shit you began with. You two are filled w/ psychotic hate. No wonder that you are unsurpassed in seeing the same in others.

Trollop!

Thanks for the prize, Lorie, but I feel guilty; I just swiped Misha's title and then tweaked it a little. All Hail His Rottiness.

I read somewhere that about 8% of voters read blogs. If that's correct 40% or so are dems and 40% or so are repubs; that makes about 3.2% repubs who read blogs + 1.6% independents. Maybe 4.8% of the voters, at best, give a hoot about this issue one and a half years before the primaries.

Yawn

Lorie wrote -- "The Salon report says the bloggers were fired, but also includes this quote from Jennifer Palmieri saying she would "caution [Salon] against reporting that they have been fired. We will have something to say later." I will update as new information is available."

And at the end of your last update on the previous post you wrote this:

"Regarding Pam's post, it will be interesting to see if there is any fallout in the left blogosphere over the firing."

What firing?

Sure, you quoted Salon, but that didn't stop you from pushing the meme that they were being fired.

Think about it this way - barely six months ago Democrats smashed Jim Allen down to the depths of Hell and recreated him in the image of the Devil Incarnate just because he used the word "macaca" in a verbal aside.

But those same liberals seem okay with Marcotte and her incrediblely offensive religious slurs and seething hatred of Christianity. Her intolerance is just fine, and besides, well, she didn't really mean it anyway.

Incredible. Just ... incredible.

And who better to comment on hatefulness than Puke him/herself? Heh ...

Puke, since you are such an expert on hate, why don't you go round up some examples of Malkin or Coulter that exemplify your assertion that they have said anything on a par with some of the vile and disgusting things Marcotte has posted.

To help you out, here is a round up of some of the choicer Marcotte bits.

Ready? Set? Go!

Yawn Posted by: Hugh

That's the problem with the left ... no sense of humor. Come on! That IMPORTANT ACTION ALERT is freakin' hi-larious!

Lorie...you are more obsessed with the Democratic Party than Democrats are..
Are you ever gonna post your views on Rudi?
..Do you have any problem with his fidelity issues?..His pro-choice stance..his pro gay stance?

How about Milt?...any problems with his flip/flops?

How about McCain? Any problems with his slamming the religious right in 2000?

All your stuff has to do with Dems...

Do you even have a position on Republican Candidates? Do you disaree with any Republicans?

You slam lefty blogs..but at least they criticize Dems..

Lorie's written a bunch on Rudy, actually.

Posted by: aRepukelican at February 8, 2007 05:30 PM

And your point is? Other than mimicking what you're condemning others for.

Something on the Edwards topic would be nice.

That's the problem with the left ... no sense of humor. Come on! That IMPORTANT ACTION ALERT is freakin' hi-larious! Posted by: LissaKay at February 8, 2007 05:50 PM

That is exactly right. Nothing that comes out of the word-holes of repuke, nogo, Lee et al is even remotely positive or even funny.

They and their cohorts live in a self-imposed black pit of despair. I didn't care for Clinton and her husband for 8 years, but I didn't whine about it constantly. I went about my day and lived my life. I didn't blame Clinton for any hardships in my life. But that's the opposite of you trolls.

That and you're really not funny. Bunch of whiny petulant doom-sayers who want to bring everyone else down to their level in some sick twisted version of robin hood.

Trolls, just because you and your lives suck doesn't mean the rest of us want to join you. You should try to get that thought to fire across your thick skulls one of these days.

mantis

such as what?

I would believe you mantis but my experience here persuades me that so many doubt your credibility..that I have..primal doubts..

However,; if true than I retract my charge concerning Lorie and Rudi...

Anyone have any spare despair, my black pit is running low. Nogo? aR?

Humor is in the eye of the beholder, Steve. Watching conservatives kvetch and fart over the fact that their make-belief world of being tough on terrorism -- and shaping our country's morals in His image -- has now come falling down around their petty, intolerant heads is, to me, a genuine laugh-riot.

I can understand why you wouldn't share that view...but seriously, lighten up. Look on the bright side. In twenty years or so religious conservatism may have another shot at running this country, and who knows -- maybe, just maybe, you guys will do a better job next time, and not be laughed out of office with the lowest approval ratings imaginable.

It may be nearly a year before the first primaries, but how would YOU like to be named coordinator of "Catholics for Edwards" for the campaign now?

The idea that they didn't want to denigrate someone's faith with those vile screeds is laughable.

Personally, I expect both of them to leave the campaign once the controversy fades a bit - probably not because Edwards asks them to, either. Being a campaign blogger has to be the most boring and confining position any blogger can imagine. You have to say nothing but wonderful things about your guy, defend him even when he screws up royally, and be extremely careful what you post at all times.

For bloggers used to the total freedom these gals apparently had (given the stuff they wrote), being an "official campaign blogger" is going to get old reeeeeeeeal fast.

I suspect Pat Hynes may be having second thoughts himself. He's finding you can't really maintain your own separate blog because everything you post is seen in the light of your political relationship, even if it has nothing to do with it. For instance, anything he posts about any other GOP contender is immediately under fire, even from his loyal conservative readers, because of the McCain thing.

In order to make the position of "campaign blogger" tolerable, one would have to be a 100% true believer in the candidate. It would still be boring and confining in many ways, but the paycheck might compensate for that if one's heart was truly in it.

well it's apparent that brief the period of reflection on civility brought about by DJ has ended...

I have little use for the blogosphere in general, with right side in chronic smear 'n' confuse mode when they aren't going foaming mad dog over piddly, bizarre issues, and the left just talking the talk without ever really taking a bite, nevermind going for the jungular however well-deserved. So I'm not too sure what to make of this mini-battle between right and left bloggers over this matter. I did go to Pandagon.com to quickly peruse a bunch of Amanda Marcotte's writings to see what her deal was. As expected, the right's complaints were a combo of smear 'n' confuse with mad dog foaming at the mouth nonsense. Marcotte's stuff was pretty standard issue liberal smart-aleckly journalism that's been the norm for alternative weeklies since the 60's. If you're out living somewhere in the cow tipping area of the country and generally get your news from the guy sitting next to you in the bar, the concept of "alternative weeklies" may be a never before heard about alien concept, much like recycling and intelligent conversation, but they are indeed things common in areas of the nations with college radio, espresso drinks and sidewalks.

What's interesting to me about this tempest in a mug is that the left side bloggers actually finally stood up a little bit to the so called "wingnuts" (I think that term is way, WAY too polite) and actually made a difference apprarently in the end result. The right wing bloggers like Malkin seem to be going "Huh?!?" more than anything, having gotten use to their usually clueless, often vile and smearing nonsense to be blissfully linked to and distributed all over with nary a discouraging word, nevermind actually being checked.

A promising sign of better things to come? Ehh...

The world of real journalism is in tougher shape everyday -- witness the Boston Globe -- and even very good bloggers are no compensation for even a mediocre newspaper, and the vast bulk of the blogging community isn't worth a single mug of tempest.

-BC

Ah well, we still got some great PR mileage out of the whole thing.

Edwards looks bad for hiring classless haters, we on the right get to point out the hypocrisy of the left (who apparently love hate speech now) and the MSM was forced to report the whole thing thanks to the rightwing blogs and Fox News!

Whooooo hooooo!

From reading the Edwards blog, John was NOT pleased with these two, although he gave them a second chance. First however he sat them down and gave them a good scolding.

Ha! Two hateful, vulgar, classless bioches got a Time Out from Edwards!!

Sweeeeeeeet!!!

Norway Steve..to me a troll is someone who does a hit and run on a blog...I have been here for quite some time...it is true I have agreed with Jay more than Lorie...but Wizbang is like all quality blogs...you know kinda like a grade school lunchroom...noisy and messy...
I have been right..and I have been proven wrong..
But I have attempted, in most cases to back up my assertions with facts...
for example...
It was in August of 2006 that we started having more troops in Baghdad...the toll of American lives has gone up..send more troops into Baghdad will probably just mean more dead troops..for proof
http://www.icasualties.org/oif/

I read Elizabeth Edwards book and she seems like such a decent nice church going woman. I'm just glad she got to see what kind of people are on "her side." I bet she was disgusted. Talk about a rude awakening. Very eye opening for her.

The rest of us have known for years.

A promising sign of better things to come? Ehh...
-BC Posted by: BC at February 8, 2007 06:35 PM

And a quick look at the site linked to via BC's name tells you all you need to know, assuming the link is an endorsement of the link and its "information."

A "promising sign of better things" is when faked memos are real and "appointed" presidents weren't presidents.

Norway Steve..to me a troll is someone who does a hit and run on a blog...I have been here for quite some time..Posted by: nogo postal at February 8, 2007 06:49 PM

Ok nogo so you don't agree with the definition.

Although it's generally accepted a blog troll is one who consistently posts things to steer the debate away from its intended direction or just to be provocative or as desplyued in so many of your posts OFF topic.

But perhaps we can come to a more suitable description of you.

Blogroach:

noun. A reader who infests the comment section of a weblog, disagreeing with everything posted in the most obnoxious manner possible.

There, hows that? Will that work for you?

Lee,
Regarding me pushing a "meme" that Marcotte was fired... did you read Pam's post that I linked and quoted from Pandagon (which is Marcotte's blog)? Pam's post was all about Edwards firing Marcotte. If anything I was not "pushing" a meme, but a Salon report which I noted was contested (in a vague cryptic way) by the campaign.

As for me linking all the "haters" on the right (Puke's post)...I have written very critically of Ann Coulter and used to link her occasionally, but rarely ever do now. Even though she makes some excellent points, I think she has hurt her credibility with some of the things she has said and that is why I rarely ever link her. As for Michelle, I don't read every word she writes, but I would be shocked to learn she had written anything like Marcotte's "hot, white, sticky Holy Spirit" comment and know that she does not regularly use the "f" word and the "c" word in her posts. Have you read Marcotte?

Nogo -- I have not only written on all the issues you raised relating to Rudy, but I have also written quite a bit on McCain, and quite critically of him actually. You are right about Romney. I don't know if I have written anything about him at all. The one time there was something I was going to post about him Kim beat me to it. Sorry, but I have a life and there are only 24 hours in a day. I can't write about everything. If I did that I wouldn't have time to watch "24" every week.

Sorry I didn't make it through all the comments. Maybe I will catch up later.

Pattymelt,
Elizabeth Edwards should know all about those on her side since she admitted to being a reader of the Democratic Underground back in the 2004 election. They know, they just don't think the general public will ever find out.

Once and for all, what does Ann Coulter have to do with any of this? Which presidential candidate has hired her (or Limbaugh or O'Reilly or Malkin or whoever else the hippies claim is Mandy's analog) to be his or her official blogger?

The best part about this is the hilarity of Marcotte, the model Roaring Feminist, retreating like a little girl for a buck after a scolding by a member of the rich white heterosexual Christian patriarchy. What a phony.