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More lies by omission

This morning's Boston Globe has a story about the brouhaha going on in Jerusalem, where Israeli archaeologists and engineers are upsetting Muslims. It goes into great detail about the site, the history, the controversy, and why so many Muslims are so upset. Let me sum up some of the details they cover:

  • The Mount has two very prominent Islamic sites, the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque
  • The Al Aqsa Mosque is the third holiest site in Islam
  • Muslims are accusing the Jews of trying to damage or destroy it
  • Israel captured the Temple Mount in the 1967 War
  • Muslims are preparing for "protests" after prayers today

But the story leaves out a few details that some might consider relevant:

  • While the Al Aqsa Mosque is the third holiest site to Muslims, the Western Wall is all that remains of the first holiest site to Jews.
  • The whole Temple Mount is named for the First and Second Temples of the Jews, both destroyed.
  • The city of Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran; the site's "holy" status is based solely on a legend that Mohammed stopped there on the way to his tour of heaven.
  • Muslim excavations carried out on the Temple Mount have been singularly successful at removing and erasing all evidence that the site was once occupied by Jews -- numerous antiquities and relics have been recovered from the "researchers'" garbage dumps.

So, once again we see the Palestinians using their same old tricks: claiming victimhood while simultaneously engaging in precisely the activity they say they are suffering under.

Meanwhile, we see more "progress" in the "road to peace" between the Israelis and the Palestinians. The Palestinians, having made "peace" between their own factions (the "moderate" Fatah, who say "we want to kill all the Jews," and the "radical" Hamas, who say "we want to kill all the Jews and erase any evidence that they ever existed"), say that now that they're done killing each other (for now), it's time for Israel to make another "good faith" concession. This time, they want 80 prisoners currently in Israeli jails to go free.

To most reasonable people, a few questions arise:

In all their history, have the Palestinians EVER made one of these "good faith gestures" they're always demanding of the Israelis?

Will this "gesture" also involve the release of Gilad Shalit, the Israeli soldier kidnapped months ago by a faction of Hamas?

Has Israel EVER gotten any benefit out of making these "good faith gestures?"

Has Hamas given up on their charter-enshrined goal of the utter destruction of the state of Israel?

Has Hamas even hinted that such might be possible?

Once again, there's a rush by many to "reward" the Palestinians for "working out their differences" and averting a civil war between the bad terrorists of Fatah and the really bad terrorists of Hamas -- with the reward taking the form of money.

It is both the law and the policy of the United States that we do not have any truck with terrorist organizations. Period. And until Hamas -- currently the dominant party in the Palestinian Authority -- stops either being a terrorist group or stops being the major part of the Palestinian government, no nation should have any dealings with them, either.

But that won't happen. It requires two elements far too often lacking on the world stage -- principle and common sense.

(Hat tip, as always, to my oh-so-worthy blogmother)


Comments (38)

Once again, there's a ru... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Once again, there's a rush by many to "reward" the Palestinians for "working out their differences" and averting a civil war between the bad terrorists of Fatah and the really bad terrorists of Hamas -- with the reward taking the form of money.
...
It is both the law and the policy of the United States that we do not have any truck with terrorist organizations. Period.

Well, not so much.

Didn't they have an electio... (Below threshold)
nogo postal:

Didn't they have an election there? If Hamas is the dominant party they were elected. Maybe they didn't elect who we might prefer..or maybe what is best for them..but ya know that can be said of any democracy..even ours..

"Palestinians" as a people ... (Below threshold)
Wanderlust:

"Palestinians" as a people have no culture, no history, and no identity - save that which the Arab world wishes to use in a blatant attempt to do politically what it has never been able to do militarily - push Israel into the Med and erase it.

Walid Shoebat is the only "Palestinian" that I know of who ever rose from the nihilistic suicide bomber death cult that is "Palestinian" culture (despite the AP's repeated labeling real guns as "toy gun" in its photos where children hold pistols, rifles, and automatic weapons, children there are brainwashed into the Cult of the Suicide Bomber practically from birth). Perhaps there will be others. Meanwhile I dare anyone to show me a single industry in the Territories that stands independent of a) UN or other non-Arab world national donor funding; b) Israeli funding and/or support; or c) use as a front to launder funds ultimately used to promote acts of terrorism against Israeli civilians.

Oddly enough, Egypt also shuts the Palis out, yet no one ever complains about Egyptian border checkpoints or walls. Jordan doesn't allow the Palis unrestricted access into its country, either. So why should Israel be expected to do it?

If someone in Israel would have the stones [politically] to do it, "Palestine" would be completely walled off from Israel and no Palestinians would be allowed to work or live in Israel - just as no Israelis are allowed to live or work in "Palestinian" lands. Israel would also cut off utility services (electricity and gas pipelines) into the Territories after a three year period to allow Palis to build their own generation facilities or secure sourcing from other Arab League countries. And Israel would treat every single rocket, grenade, or bullet fired into its territory from "Palestine" as an act of war, to be prosecuted with extreme prejudice.

Then the rest of the world can bring its popcorn to watch the civil war that would immediately break out between multiple Pali factions, even as the populace starves because it refuses to hold its politicians accountable for how they spend any funds they receive.

Bring.It.On...

nogo postal,Maybe... (Below threshold)
John Irving:

nogo postal,
Maybe they didn't elect who we might prefer..or maybe what is best for them..but ya know that can be said of any democracy..even ours..

Hopefully you are capable of discerning the difference.

nogo postal, your lo... (Below threshold)
Wanderlust:

nogo postal, your logic regarding "they didn't elect who we might prefer" was applied admirably by Neville Chamberlain in 1938 to dealing with the Nazi Party, elected by the Germans as its dominant [ruling] party in 1934, with great results.

Peace in our Time, right, nogo?

Didn't they have ... (Below threshold)
Dan Irving:


Didn't they have an election there? If Hamas is the dominant party they were elected. Maybe they didn't elect who we might prefer..or maybe what is best for them..but ya know that can be said of any democracy..even ours..

Why is that meme always trotted out? What does it mean exactly? Since they voted for them we have to deal with them? They can elect whomever they want to lead them. That is democracy. We can elect not to deal with whomever they elect to lead them. That is also democracy.

Oddly enough, Egyp... (Below threshold)
Oddly enough, Egypt also shuts the Palis out, yet no one ever complains about Egyptian border checkpoints or walls. Jordan doesn't allow the Palis unrestricted access into its country, either. So why should Israel be expected to do it?

The Palestinian Arabs have suffered more at the hands of their "brother" Arabs than they ever have from anything the Israelis have ever done to them.

Well done, Jay. Another insightful blog entry on the Mideast.

<a href="http://blog.camera... (Below threshold)
Dan Irving:

CAMERA has a graphic (obtained from BBC amazingly enough) that shows just how far away the excavation is from Al Aqsa.

"The bridge is nowhere n... (Below threshold)
Dan Irving:

"The bridge is nowhere near the Al-Aqsa Mosque and does not threaten it physically, but the whole matter has been handled with complete lack of sensitivity for the feelings of the Muslims," he said. - Meir Ben-Dov, Israeli archeologist

Like I'm sure the Taliban consulted with Buddists when they destroyed the Buddahs at Bamyan.

The whole situation is loon... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

The whole situation is loony. The Arabs/Pali/Hamasians are delusional, and the Jews are like the family that moves next to the airport, and starts a petition to relocate the airport because of the noise.

Barney,That's prob... (Below threshold)
Sheik Yur Bouty:

Barney,

That's probably the worst Jews to Israel analogy I've ever read!

Just terrible.

"To most reasonable people,... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

"To most reasonable people, a few questions arise:

In all their history, have the Palestinians EVER made one of these "good faith gestures" they're always demanding of the Israelis?

Has Israel EVER gotten any benefit out of making these "good faith gestures?"

Has Hamas given up on their charter-enshrined goal of the utter destruction of the state of Israel?

Has Hamas even hinted that such might be possible?"

Replace Isreal with the republican Party and Hamas/Palest. with the Democrat Party and oh how it rings so true.

"To most reasonable people,... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

"To most reasonable people, a few questions arise:

In all their history, have the Palestinians EVER made one of these "good faith gestures" they're always demanding of the Israelis?

Has Israel EVER gotten any benefit out of making these "good faith gestures?"

Has Hamas given up on their charter-enshrined goal of the utter destruction of the state of Israel?

Has Hamas even hinted that such might be possible?"

Replace Isreal with the republican Party and Hamas/Palest. with the Democrat Party and oh how it rings so true.

Now tell me again who are the good and who are the evil ones. Obvious isn't it?

how will you bozos feel if ... (Below threshold)
slingshot:

how will you bozos feel if iraq becomes a stale country because of a democratically elected islamist party? i agree- democracy means you must also deal with the consequences of those choices. so must we. has george bush gotten this memo?

I have never been on a bus ... (Below threshold)
nogo postal:

I have never been on a bus or night club in Israel when a bomb went off..I have never had my home torn down by Israeli troops because i lived on the same block as a relative of someone who bombed a bus...I have never been a teenager throwing rocks at Israeli tanks or troops and had my best friend killed for doing the same...
...I will not pretend to know what is it like to be on... either side...
but i believe that we are one people, under one sky, on one earth..of many tribes...at each day we are closer to each other..than we were yesterday...

Nogo, Are you sayi... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Nogo,
Are you saying that there is no difference between Israeli troops killing people shooting at them and Palestians trapping bombs intentionally to kill as many civilians including women and children as possible?
Is this another typical liberal attempt at moral equivalency?

Slingshot, So to be... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Slingshot,
So to be safe we should continue to deal with dictators in Islamic countries to avoid a democratically elected Islamic gov?
So it is a good idea to have the Saudi monarchy and a strong dictator in Pakistan. So all the criticism the liberals have been directing towards the US for coddling dictators in the ME and elsewhere were not honest?

Hey Lovie, I see that you s... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Hey Lovie, I see that you still have not found that pesky Sullivan report.

Barney cutie, I fou... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Barney cutie,
I found that Rush is more honest than you. So why should I doubt his number? On the other hand, the liberal sewage Media Matters has been caught red-handed lying/smearing and you were found repeating a lie from this org. Finally, have you been honest enough to admit that MM has been lying to you?

<a href="http://www.bowling... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/glick.htm

Another lie from your liberal sewage Media Mattes, Barney cutie. Have MM been lying to you, Barney cutie?

Hey Barnie Cutie, ... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Hey Barnie Cutie,
Looks like you are trying to spin. So let me explain to you again. David Brock is the founder of MM. And even liberals consider him a liar. What 's the problem with you that you have to promote these known liars (Wilson syndrome?)

http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200405281333.asp

The book did what many -- even those on the left who share Brock's contempt for conservatives -- consider fatal damage to Brock's credibility. When Blinded by the Right appeared, Timothy Noah, the liberal "Chatterbox" columnist for Slate, wrote that "Chatterbox yields to no one in his eagerness to believe the awful things Brock is now saying about himself and the conservative movement in America. But the more Brock insists that he has lied, and lied, and then lied again, the more one begins to suspect Brock of being, well, a liar."

Didn't they have an elec... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

Didn't they have an election there? If Hamas is the dominant party they were elected. Maybe they didn't elect who we might prefer..or maybe what is best for them..but ya know that can be said of any democracy..even ours..

And we have the right to support whomever we want.

Germany can elect a Hitler if they wish. It does not mean we have to give them a dime of our money.
-=Mike

LoveAmerica Immigrant: We s... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

LoveAmerica Immigrant: We seldom agree, but I can tell you're sincere in your beliefs, so I don't think I'm wasting my index finger: NRO???? Humor me and read this quick and funny NRO-related column. Jonah Goldberg, War on Africa (this is pre-Iraq), Self-styled neocons before "neocon" became "an anti-semitic label". It's juicy! http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j030901.html

The whole situation is l... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

The whole situation is loony. The Arabs/Pali/Hamasians are delusional, and the Jews are like the family that moves next to the airport, and starts a petition to relocate the airport because of the noise

Except many of them didn't move there. They were already living there or in other parts of the ME.

bryanD, If NRO is a... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

bryanD,
If NRO is a joke, then why do you point me to a a hack antiwar leftists propaganda website? You know the liberal left is the modern home of anti-semitism. Right in this thread, you can see liberals trying to make moral equivalency between terrorism against Is women and children with Is army killing people attacking them.

If you care about anti-semitism, you should run as fast as you can from the liberal left. The anti-war left is simply dishonest. They are not anti-war. I didn't see them protest the Soviet Union invading Afghanistan etc... They are anti-American. They anti-American waging war against the communists and now the terrorists. I don't see them protest the terrorist sponsor Adm when he came here. The antiwar left is simply a sewage you should avoid.

Lovie, you claim that the Y... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Lovie, you claim that the York and Kincaid articles point to MM lies? I asked you to point to the proof, but do you ? No, you just keep spinning away? You still have not debunk a single MM acquisition against Rush. You state the obvious, MM is liberal. Well duh, it is in their mission statement.

To make a point using your circular logic, if MM is liberal, and if the MSM is liberal, you can't trust their reports. Now that you have made that point, why do you believe Rush is 98% correct, when he readily admits that he is conservative, and is bias to the conservative cause?

You can not have it both ways.

Barney cutie, You d... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Barney cutie,
You don't understand basic logic. You have been caught spinning and repeating lies right on this forum. I have shown that you are less than honest wrt Fox news. I have shown the NRO article that outlined the campaign against Rush by a self-admitting liar David Brock. Byron York is more credible than most if not all the liberals reporters or so-called journalists at the liberals news outlets like NYT, WashPost etc... His conclusion is that the charge against Rush is in the "duh" criterion. Rush is an openly conservative commentator. He didn't hide it.

I am using your own standard now. I have shown you that David Brock, the founder of MM is a self-admitting liar. Even more honest liberals like Timothy Noah had to conclude that he is a liar. If your standard is so low that you have to cite and defend a known liar like Brock, then you have no right to complain about the 98% accuracy number from Rush. You haven't even admitted that you are less than honest wrt FOx and MM have been lying to you. Brock has been shown to be a liar. I don't have and don't need to look into all the other charges he made. Who knows what he is lying or not.

Barney cutie,
You have been caught red-handed promoting a known liar and a known liberal sewage (which is funded by shady character like Soros - your own standard again: you should question their accuracy before you post them). You are the one who needs to show that you are accurate and honest. So far you have been found wanting.

You are either confused or dense. I am partisan but I must be accurate when I cited evidence to support my charge against the liberal left. Conservative leaning and accuracy are two different things. Since you are liberal, so you can never be accurate?

Time to show that you are honest. Using your own words, Barney cutie: time to put up or shut up.

I have shown you that David... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

I have shown you that David Brock, the founder of MM is a self-admitting liar. Lovie

You did? Please cut and paste the quote, so we can all bask in your greatness.

Barney Cutie,Time to... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Barney Cutie,
Time to put up or shut up?

http://slate.msn.com/?id=2063759
David Brock, Liar
A lifelong habit proves hard to break.

http://archive.salon.com/politics/red/2001/06/27/blue/index.html
David Brock comes clean
The former conservative writer admits lying to smear Anita Hill

Lovie:The "signature... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Lovie:
The "signature political news show" of the Fox News Channel, Special Report with Brit Hume, was found to have a strong bias in their choice of guests, overwhelmingly choosing conservatives over 'non-conservatives' to appear in interviews. This was the finding of the media watchdog group Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR), noted in a study taken across a 19 week period from June 2003 to December 2003. They found the ratio of conservative guests to liberals to be 50:6. [8]

A poll conducted by Rasmussen Reports during September 2004 found that Fox News was second to CBS as the most politically biased network in the public view. 37% of respondents thought CBS, in the wake of the memogate scandal, was trying to help elect John Kerry, while 34% of respondents said they believed that Fox's goal was to "help elect Bush".[16]

A Project on Excellence in Journalism study showed that 68 percent of Fox cable stories contained personal opinions, as compared to MSNBC at 27 percent and CNN at 4 percent.

Even the report you sited had FOX bias to the right, so who are you crapping?

I will patiently wait for you to provide direct quotes, and not links to where Brock admitted to lying, The Sullivan Group report that shows Rush is 98% accurate, and FOX news is fair and balance.

Barney Cutie, If yo... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Barney Cutie,
If you read what I have posted from NRO, you would have known that David Brock is a known liar

http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200405281333.asp

The book did what many -- even those on the left who share Brock's contempt for conservatives -- consider fatal damage to Brock's credibility. When Blinded by the Right appeared, Timothy Noah, the liberal "Chatterbox" columnist for Slate, wrote that "Chatterbox yields to no one in his eagerness to believe the awful things Brock is now saying about himself and the conservative movement in America. But the more Brock insists that he has lied, and lied, and then lied again, the more one begins to suspect Brock of being, well, a liar."

Barney Cutie, You s... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Barney Cutie,
You simply cannot be honest. THe overwhelming conservative bias at Fox again

Here is liberal version of overwhelemingly conservative bias at Fox
Hanity (cons) vs Colmes (lib)
O'Reily (cons) vs Greta (lib)
Hume (cons) vs Wallace (lib)

Show me the equivalence at the other networks. FAIR is another less than honest org. Please be careful about the org you pick.

Time to come clean about the liar David Brock and MediaMatters instead of more spinning.

Barney Cutie, I don... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Barney Cutie,
I don't expect much honesty from you in any case. You simply confirm my observation that the liberal left is truly in an intellectual and moral sewage. I hope you would be one of the tiny minority of honest liberals.
Good luck. I have done enough for you cutie. If you want to continue with the liberal s*age, then it is up to you.

Lovie, you keep dodging the... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Lovie, you keep dodging the issues.
1) Neither your NRO link or lifted quote proves that Brock is a liar? If you can not show proof, please stop making unfounded acquisitions.
2) You can not point to one lie or misstatement that I have made.
3) You have made several false statements, and you refuse to provide any evidence to back it up such as Rush is 98% accurate.

The only evidence you have presented is a highly questionable study that states that MSM new is bias to the left, and FOX News is bias to the right, yet you continue to say the opposite?

Just saying so does not make it true (except in your brain-washed mind) the rest of use wold like facts.

Well, let's see, Barney. Da... (Below threshold)

Well, let's see, Barney. David Brock labelled Anita Hill "a little bit nutty and a little bit slutty" while defending Clarence Thomas. He now says he lied when he said that.

And what the FUCK does this have to do with the Israeli/Palestinian conflict? I am getting so fed up with the trolls and hijackers, I am about to start swinging Olaf's Troll Hammer indiscriminately, and clean out a LOT of weeds...

J.

Jay, there are two persons ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Jay, there are two persons contributing to the discussion, yet you single me out?

To set the record straight:
Brock now says that, when he was writing for the conservative magazine The American Spectator and researching his book The Real Anita Hill, he was a tool of right wing activists who fed him false information about Hill. At the time, Brock tells Totenberg, he accepted the truthfulness of the information without checking. But he since has learned he helped spread lies, he says, and is trying to set the record straight in a memoir due out next month.

He was just following the right-wing talking points, like Lovie with his Rush is 98% accurate crap.

But you are right. I will no longer respond any more unless it is relevant to the post.

My Apologies,
Barney

Barney can even be honest e... (Below threshold)
LoveAmerica Immigrant:

Barney can even be honest even in his supposedly last apology post! (to be expected though).

Anyway, Jay is right. This has nothing to do with the thread. The liberal meme for this thread is nothing but the usual moral equivalency. I found that willfully ignorant.

Barney, I singled you out i... (Below threshold)

Barney, I singled you out in the FIRST part because I was answering you. The second part was more general.

Although if it made you feel picked on a little, I can live with that.

J.




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