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Is it paranoia if they really are out to get you?

There are days I'm glad I'm not an Israeli. This is one of them.

First off, one of the leading candidates for President of the United States, John Edwards, publicly declares that they are the greatest threat to world peace.

Next, we have the ongoing efforts by forces in the media to minimize -- or downright eliminate -- the Israelis' historic ties to their land, as well as the significance of their very religion.

Then there is the world pressure to open negotiations with the coalescing Palestinian government, never mind that the majority party in that organization has as its founding principle the destruction of Israel and its replacement with an Islamic theocracy, and refuses to accept prior agreements as binding -- and won't even acknowledge Israel's right to exist.

And in Lebanon, the "peacekeepers" (most prominently the French) are threatening to open fire on Israeli forces, while scrupulously ignoring the rearming and regrouping of Hezbollah -- in flagrant violation of the very UN resolution authorizing those peacekeepers' presence.

That's just four examples off the top of my head from the last week or so. It doesn't even touch on Iran, whose leader is saying that Israel should be wiped off the face of the earth while busily working on developing the very nuclear weapons that would make that possible.

There are those who say that our support of Israel, while admirable, is ultimately impractical. That it would serve our national interests to let Israel fend for itself, to curry favor with her enemies -- the ones sitting on so much oil.

That overlooks the very simple fact that Israel is not their end goal. if we concede to them on that one, betraying the one stable, viable, vibrant democracy in the region, what the hell will they want next?


Comments (35)

Remember: Israel is a threa... (Below threshold)
cirby:

Remember: Israel is a threat to world peace, but Russia isn't, even though they just threatened most of Europe with nuclear weapons because a couple of European nations agreed to put up defensive anti-ballistic missile systems...

...Edwards was "st... (Below threshold)
Old Coot:
...Edwards was "stating the obvious" but you can't do that today because it "requires taking your lips off Israel's ass for a few seconds, and that's fatal for any American politician with presidential ambitions. This isn't because Jews get upset or Israel's feelings will get hurt or anything. It's because of batshit insane evangelical American Jesus Freaks who have to love and protect Israel so Jesus will come back and destroy it."

That's a portion of what a noted liberal blogger had to say on the subject of Edwards statement. You can read the rest here.

Yes, just more of the left's tolerance and inclusiveness. F'n hypocrites, all of them.

I piled on Edwards on this ... (Below threshold)

I piled on Edwards on this too, over on the Politics page, but he may just have spoken unartfully.

What he said was that "an Israeli attack on Iranian nuclear facilities" was the greatest short-term threat to world peace. That could be technically correct if we consider the repercussions of such an attack.

Iran would redouble their efforts to restart their nuclear weapons program, using the Israeli attack to legitimize their need for the nukes. Every Arab state would be outraged, and quite possibly throw in with those attacking American interests. The Euro=peons would be having a MAJOR hissy-fit. Patzi Buchanan would begin arming a private militia to take out the "Amen Chorus" in Congress.

Everything would just go higgledy-piggledy in a heartbeat. I think that could be what Edwards meant to say.

Or, maybe not . . .

Iran would redouble thei... (Below threshold)
cirby:

Iran would redouble their efforts to restart their nuclear weapons program, using the Israeli attack to legitimize their need for the nukes.

Not if Israel also took a few minutes to shut down the Iranian oil infrastructure with a few well-placed bombs (there's very little redundancy in the Iranian system, and they don't have enough cash to reconstruct their import and export facilities in anything like a short enough time period).

Hell, a couple of pounds of C-4 at one or two of their gasoline import facilities (they have basically zero refining capacity in Iran right now) would cause the Iranian transport system to completely grind to a halt.

Iran is running on the ragged edge, financially, and without that daily infusion of cash, they'd have zero choice but to shut down their nuclear program to keep the economy afloat. If they didn't, and tried to restart the nuke program while letting the whole country shut down, the riots they're already having would become completely unmanageable.

The end result? Lots of dead mullahs, and a probable revolution.


OBTW, wasn't it the Silky P... (Below threshold)
Old Coot:

OBTW, wasn't it the Silky Pony who suggested that Christopher Reeve would be able to walk again if only a Democrat was elected president?

Of course that might have also been inartful language as well.

Jay wrote: <blockquot... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Jay wrote:

"First off, one of the leading candidates for President of the United States, John Edwards, publicly declares that they [Israel] are the greatest threat to world peace."

If you follow the link Jay provided you find this is actually what Edwards said:

"Perhaps the greatest short-term threat to world peace, Edwards remarked, was the possibility that Israel would bomb Iran's nuclear facilities."

He didn't "declare that they (Israel) is the greatest threat to world peace" - he said the possibility that Israel would bomb Iran's nuclear facility is the greatest short-term threat.

Tsk tsk Jay -- or was your link incorrect, and the quote where Edwards says what you said he declared is actually somewhere else? What else in your post is factually incorrect also?

I'm busy right now, and don't have time to fact-check the rest of Jay's post -- but this was in the second sentence - and there is lots more that can be checked if anyone is interested.

Well, "perhaps" the greates... (Below threshold)
JB:

Well, "perhaps" the greatest SHORT-TERM threat to world peace is the Iranian pursuit of nukes combined with their president's Holocaust denial and statements vis-a-vis settling the "Israeli question."

Sorry, Lee. Somehow you think this makes much of a difference, but only in your fantasy world.

He didn't "declare that ... (Below threshold)
cirby:

He didn't "declare that they (Israel) is the greatest threat to world peace" - he said the possibility that Israel would bomb Iran's nuclear facility is the greatest short-term threat.

That's different in no actual, reasonable way, unless the bombs flew over and dropped themselves.

...but saying that Iran's ownership of nuclear weapons might actually be the biggest threat to world peace (something that any rational person would notice) would lose Edwards that whole CAIR endorsement...

"Well, "perhaps" the gre... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"Well, "perhaps" the greatest SHORT-TERM threat to world peace is the Iranian pursuit of nukes combined with their president's Holocaust denial and statements vis-a-vis settling the "Israeli question.""

Well, perhaps that's true - but that isn't the question. The question is why did Jay misquote Edwards, or is the Edwards quote somewhere else and Jay's link is just incorrect?

Not if Israel also took ... (Below threshold)

Not if Israel also took a few minutes to shut down the Iranian oil infrastructure with a few well-placed bombs.

Brilliant plan General Cirby. There's only a few small flaws I think.

1. The Straits of Hormuz. 21 miles wide with two 1-mile wide channels for maritime traffic. The Iranians, owning the northern coast of the Straits, could easily mine the channels cutting off 20% of the world's oil supply overnight.

2. Iraq. Many analysts believe that Iranian Revolutionary Guard are placed throughout the Shiite areas of Iraq and possess the ability to strike hard at US interests.

3. The World. If that weren't bad enough, many analysts believe that Iran maintains sleeper cells around the world for just the sort of eventuality you describe. In Europe, Latin America and even here in the US.

The Iranians demonstrated in the war with the Israelis in Lebanon that they know a thing or two about guerrilla warfare. Before we give the Israelis a green light to go blowing up Iran's oil infrastructure we better have a well-considered plan to deal with the consequences.

I can't find the quote eith... (Below threshold)
jp2:

I can't find the quote either.

Simply put, this is dishonest.

"The Iranians, owning the n... (Below threshold)
John F Not Kerry:

"The Iranians, owning the northern coast of the Straits, could easily mine the channels cutting off 20% of the world's oil supply overnight."

Solution: Start drilling in ANWR and Gulf of Mexico and other palces "environmentalists" say we can't.

"Many analysts believe that Iranian Revolutionary Guard are placed throughout the Shiite areas of Iraq and possess the ability to strike hard at US interests."

Solution: When enemies reveal themselves to US miltary, kill them on sight.

"If that weren't bad enough, many analysts believe that Iran maintains sleeper cells around the world for just the sort of eventuality you describe. In Europe, Latin America and even here in the US."

Solution: Monitor phone calls and communicatuons from outside the country from known or suspected terrorists, then find out where there proxies are "sleeping". Wait a minute! Aren't we already doing that? I mean, aren't Democrats allowing the President to do it?

I seem to remember liberal commenters here scoffing at the idea of sleeper cells here in America, saying that the ones we rolled up were really just incompetent amateurs. If I remember correctly, the 9/11 hijackers succeeded without sophisticated weapons, because we had always been told to give way to hijackers on airplanes. Before 9/11 they would have been considered incompetent amateurs too.

Larkin:So what?</p... (Below threshold)
cirby:

Larkin:

So what?

You don't seem to be able to remember is that Israel won't give a shit about those scenarios, since a few more bombs and terror attacks (mostly affecting everyone else on the planet) sort of pale next to a nuke going off in downtown Jerusalem.

A few random terror attacks and a couple of sunken ships are a small price to pay, especially since those scenarios would result in EVERYONE teaming up against Iran in the next "what did you think would happen, you morons" competition. Look up "tanker war" on Google for a little slice of what happened last time they tried this.

After the first round or two of missiles targeting tankers, there wouldn't be a standing structure larger than an outhouse on the Iranian coast, and anyone putting out to sea in a small boat would get a couple of thousand rounds of 7.62 as a party gift.

"That overlooks the very si... (Below threshold)
Cousin Dave:

"That overlooks the very simple fact that Israel is not their end goal. if we concede to them on that one, betraying the one stable, viable, vibrant democracy in the region, what the hell will they want next? "

True as far as it goes, Jay. But even more to the point: you don't abandon your friends just because the "cool kids" are picking on them. If it were to be our national foreign policy to abandon any nation for the sin of being unpopular, how could any of us ever face our own reflections in the mirror again? I know I couldn't.

Ahhh, Johnny Edwards. Our ... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

Ahhh, Johnny Edwards. Our State's contribution to further Democrapic incoherence.

Yeehaw!

"The Iranians, owning the n... (Below threshold)
John S.:

"The Iranians, owning the northern coast of the Straits, could easily mine the channels cutting off 20% of the world's oil supply overnight."

About 5 well-placed 25 megaton warheads could make the Straits of Hormuz 100 miles wide with shipping lanes 2,000 feet deep. And there would no longer be any Iranians standing on the northern coast.

Seriously, though. Let's just knock out all of Iran's port facilities and pipelines. The West can absorb $5 a gallon gasoline a lot longer than the mullas can stay in power.

Though I usually disagree w... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Though I usually disagree with him, I used to think Jay was decent enough (in contrast with all of the other Wizbang posters) to make his points without lies and misquotes. Lately, not so much.

You think that is bad, Jay?... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

You think that is bad, Jay? Read up on the fever swamp support of Carter's blatantly dishonest book on Israel. Anti-Semitism, long a problem for the far right, is becoming en vogue on the mainstream left.
-=Mike

How does the dhimmi's favor... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

How does the dhimmi's favorite idiot stand it with Lee. Brian and JP2's head up his ass. Along with his own it must be getting crowded in there. He's a lawyer so the head up the ass kissers had better watch out or he'll sue them as hemroids.

"The Iranians, owning th... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

"The Iranians, owning the northern coast of the Straits, could easily mine the channels cutting off 20% of the world's oil supply overnight."

That would probably be enough to inspire the rest of the Euroweenies to actually put shoulder to the wheel and pitch in--they would be harder hit than we would, since they export much more to Europe. As mentioned, Iran tried this little trick in 1984, with not very satisfying results.

"stable, viable,vibrant dem... (Below threshold)
civil behavior:

"stable, viable,vibrant democracy"?

Who are you kidding.....Israel is a theocracy the same thing the fundamentalists Christians are trying their damndest to do in this nation.

Who are you kidding........ (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

Who are you kidding.....Israel is a theocracy the same thing the fundamentalists Christians are trying their damndest to do in this nation.

A theocracy where Muslims are allowed to vote and serve in the Congress and where the courts outlaw acts by the government as violating the Constitution?

Yeah, SUCH a theocracy. Especially when compared to everybody AROUND them.

That you say such things is laughable. That you BELIEVE them is sad.
-=Mike

Scrappy the clown sez: "... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Scrappy the clown sez: "He's a lawyer so the head up the ass kissers had better watch out or he'll sue them as hemroids."

If you had a brain you'd be dangerous, Scrappy. Fortunately for us Democrat your paint-huffing habit has killed off enough cells that we are safe and secure.

You folks ever heard of "mi... (Below threshold)
metprof:

You folks ever heard of "minesweepers"?

Whether or not the Israelis... (Below threshold)
Tim in PA:

Whether or not the Israelis have ties to their land is irrelevant. The fact that matters is that the state of Israel is, literally and physically, the result of a failed genocide on the part of their arab neighbors. Until the arabs give up on that, the Israelis will remain rooted to the moral high ground.

Quite a few people -- moonbats, this means you -- can't seem to understand that simple concept, either from self-interest or an amazing lack of ethical and moral clarity.

I'd accept $5 gas if it wou... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

I'd accept $5 gas if it would take the mad mullahs and lil Ackonmydinnerjacket with his dreams of the flying Imam off the map, just like he'd like to do to Israel.

Somebody said, above, Israel is a theocracy. WTF is this person saying? What facts might he have for proof? I hate to break it to you, but there are none. Nada. Just like most of the other "facts" the trolls trot out to fuel their delusions.

It's awful to live the life of a fool trying to punch his way out of a plastic bag all the time, ain't it???

Edwards is right on the mon... (Below threshold)

Edwards is right on the money. Israel is a loose cannon who hides behind the ADL and other "Israel First" organizations who twist everything one speaks against Israel in a negatitve light. I am American. Period. I am sick and tired of billions of our dollars supporting them, while they laugh at us.

Call me Anti Semitic, if you only knew the meaning behind it.

Franny Ward, your anti-seme... (Below threshold)
Robert:

Franny Ward, your anti-semetic and your an idiot!

Yeah Franny, if those Joooo... (Below threshold)
Old Coot:

Yeah Franny, if those Joooos would just go away and stop taking our money (and you know how they are about money!) the world would be a happy place.

Consider yourself beclowned, moron.

Let's see.. Robert and "Old... (Below threshold)

Let's see.. Robert and "Old Coot" decide to take the bait and call me anti-semetic and beclowned? I won't waste my Irish American breath on trying to defend. I have MY opinion. Israel is the problem since the mid-forties. Israel contributes NOTHING to the world, other then cheap azz Stanley boots that lose the soles after 3 months, while causing more murders of ? Get this: Christians in Palastine!

But that's ok for all of you brainwashed religious zealots.. Like I stated before: I don't give a hoot about ISRAEL. I do care about MY COUNTRY that is AMERICA. To those who feel different? That's your right. Go move to Tel Aviv.

Israel contributes NOTH... (Below threshold)
cirby:

Israel contributes NOTHING to the world,

...except some very good scientific research (three Nobel prizes in recent years), a lot of technical innovations (much of the recent advances in Intel chip come from Israeli chip labs), and a whole lot of other stuff that the anti-Semites can't ever seem to remember. Instead they focus on some trivial thing that pissed them off after they found out it was made in Israel...

Like I stated before: I don't give a hoot about ISRAEL.

...yet they seem to attract a large amount of your disdain, and you blame the murders of some innocent Christians on the Israelis, instead of the people who actually murdered them...

Ah yes.. I agree with you a... (Below threshold)

Ah yes.. I agree with you about scientific research and Doctors, etc. So are other nationalities. My "disdain" is about their government, not your average Israeli. As I noted to someone else on the net, my Grandmothers maiden name was Spellman. Big deal. The Stanley boot issue is fact.

So, Franny, you make inane ... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

So, Franny, you make inane comments and when called on them, you try and pull a "Never mind"?

Not quite.
-=Mike

Ok Mike.. I'll be watching ... (Below threshold)

Ok Mike.. I'll be watching my children and bank accounts more closely.

Good grief. I've heard of s... (Below threshold)

Good grief. I've heard of some silly reasons to justify someone's anti-Semitism, but "my boots broke!" has to be the absolutely dumbest one I've ever heard.

Although I do have this rather amusing image of Franny shrieking "The Joooooos stole my sole!" and getting a bunch of white supremacists (say, from the Church of Jesus Christ, Christian) mishearing him and claiming him as one of their own...

J.




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