Wilson/Plame are doing a great job of making lemonade, much to the chagrin of the right. A book -- a movie -- and let's not forget the civil trial, which will move forward now that the criminal trial is ending.

Lots more fun ahead as we approach the elections.

So what they are saying is that this movie will be as dishonest and filled with fiction as "An Inconvenient Truth"? What - are they trying for an Oscar?

The fact that they are involved "stem cell politics" (medical research should NEVER EVER be considered a part of politics) tells me pretty much all I need to know.

Are they going to include the fact that Valerie's employment was shown in ole Joe's "Who's Who" entry LONG BEFORE the trip to Niger? Of course not, that wouldn't suit their agenda. It might reflect the TRUTH but since when does that matter!?

The mind reels.

Lee - Valerie Plame was NOT an undercover CIA operative - there was no violation of ANY law. It's just another symptom of BDS!

Gayle - I'd venture a guess you've never seen "An Incoconvenient Truth." Prove me wrong.

Escapist fantasy films always have a market. If they time its release for Thanksgiving of 2008, they can market it as the "feel good movie for democrats" in which every day is Fitzmass. You know, to cheer up those who are blue.

Lee:

Wilson/Plame are doing a great job of making lemonade

That's not lemonade. What the Wilson's are selling is made from horse apples. And the kook left is salivating over buying themselves a big slice ala mode. Of course, everyone else knows what their eating.

..they're eating.

Lee, look for May 17 when responses to the defendent's motion to quell the Wilsons' subpoenas are scheduled. I suspect Chemerinsky is not as keen to pursue this case as he once was, now that he has looked at it a little. I agree with the comment about lemonade, though considering the consumers of their evil brew, I'd have to say they are making Koolaid.

Isn't it Kool that the jury is actually trying to figure this Libby case out? As opposed to the Prosecutor, Fitzgerald, doing so?

Show me Val's book deal. Last I saw, nobody wanted to buy it, and the CIA suppression bit was their cover story.

By the way. Val is still covert. Do you know what she did at the CIA?

Niether did she.
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Mike, I've seen horseapples keep really undiscriminating dogs alive for months. They're positively nutritious.
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Everybody but you, Lee, knows that Ambassador Munchausen and his faery bride are completely full of it. I've got a great idea. Why don't you buy her fantasy novel and promote it?

There is something very interesting, though, and that is that Joe's lying memes, that Bush Lied(about yellowcake), People Died, and that Cheney and Rove outed a CIA spy married to a whistleblower, have had persistence and penetrance entirely out of scale to their veracity. You know the one about Truth not getting out of bed, while Rumour circumnavigates the globe? That's the Joe and Val show in a nutshell. Well, the jury is getting out of bed, and it might not be the right side for Lee.
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Lee, what you have to look forward to as the election looms is either the innocence of Libby or the hammering of Fitzgerald and Wilson on appeal. The dangerousness of Saddam and the perfidy of Democrats like Levin, Rockefeller, and Kerry will be placed on very public display. Get on the Mo Joe while you can.
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Kim:

I think you really need to see a doctor about this obvious obsession of yours.

Joe Wilson is a liar. Valerie Plame is pathetic. The only question I have regarding them is "Who were they working for?" They obviously attempted to influene the 2004 presidential election with lies and distortions. Was Wilson promised a cabinet post under a Kerry preidency? Plame?

No Fitzmas for you!!!

n, Val wants to be Ambassador to France, and Joe, King of Africa and Arabia.

They were working for Kerry. It was set up at the Democratic Senate Policy Committee meeting in May of '03, the minutes of which are not available, unusually.

Joe thought Saddam had WMD. Look at his 2/6/03 op-ed in the LATimes. He is a coward or a traitor, or both.
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Linda, you can't talk to a Plamisto like that!
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I'm only here because the jury is going home at 2:00 today without reaching a decision, so all I can do elsewhere is speculate endlessly about whispers and bicker with fellow Plamaniacs. So tell me what you want to know about "The YellowCake Affair".
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At 4:00, at JustOneMinute, there will be a meeting of the Plamaholics Unanimous.
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Maybe she was covert, or maybe not. However the company she worked for, that is the company the CIA set up, was covert. Because someone leaked about her and her husband, they outed Brewster & Jennings.

How much of taxpayers money was used to set up this company, how much time spent, etc. How much information is now going to be lost because of this outing. How many people may have been killed because of their association with this company in foreign lands.

This story is bigger than a couple of people named Wilson or Libby or Fitz. I would like to know how much damage to our country has happened because of all of this.

...there was no violation of ANY law.

Gee, that's an awfully high moral standard you guys set for yourselves. Maybe you want to lower that a little bit. Maybe whatever they did should be okay as long as a capital offense wasn't committed.

Easy on the Koolaid, Allen. Brewster-Jennings was not undercover, nor was it even in use.

Let's see the letter from the CIA referring this matter to the DOJ. Let's see the damage assessment done by the CIA to evaluate any damage by this so-called 'outing' of Val Plame, who was not 'covert' by legal definition.
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Larkin, the commonly expected moral standard, to not deliberately lie, has been violated by Joe Wilson repeatedly.

Also, do you know that the one spreading Val's name around the earliest anyone can find, besides her husband of course, was Dick Armitage, Colin Powell's deputy? And even he was not violating any law, because she was not covert.
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Also, do you know that the one spreading Val's name around the earliest anyone can find, besides her husband of course, was Dick Armitage, Colin Powell's deputy? And even he was not violating any law, because she was not covert.

Worth repeating. If Plame was covert and it's now known that Aritage was the orginal source of the leak, Fitzpatrick is obligated to pursue charges against him. Given that Fitzpatrick hasn't, it tends to make one believe that Plame wasn't covert. Of course, this gets glossed over quickly in the media coverage.

Fitz probably gave Armitage immunity, as well as gentle handling(remember the attempt to conceal his identity as UGO), but never bothered to ask him who besides Novak he had talked to. There is a wonderful audiotape, in evidence, of Armitage laughingly telling Woodward that the expletive deleted Wilson outed his own wife. This is in June of '03, a month before the events that Fitz, the Madman, has blindered himself with.
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"If Plame was covert..

She wasn't. Her cover had been blown in Cuba some years before.

Everything following that disclosure is sound and fury, signifying Fitznothing.

No crime was committed?

Well I guess if you spend most of the last 6-years defending the lies of this administration, obstruction of justice and perjury is just apart of "doing business" within the Republican party.

"Gayle - I'd venture a guess you've never seen "An Incoconvenient Truth." Prove me wrong.

Posted by: Hugh at March 2, 2007 10:45 AM "

Hugh, so you actually believe that water levels will rise 20ft as a short term possibilty (which is what Gore says in his movie), when even the most aggresive models touted by global warming advocates say 2-3ft. by 2100?! You are dumber than I thought, and I've always thought you pretty dumb.

The obstruction of justice and the perjury are figments of Fitzgerald's deranged imagination. Now, tell me about the lies. I know Joe Wilson lied mightily about the run-up to the war.
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"An Incoconvenient Truth."
Posted by: Hugh

Hugh's sputtering mad BDS even comes out in his typing!!

A crime was just as much committed here as was in the Duke rape case.

Oh wait......

lol.

Democrats are so pitiful. Fun to watch.

I couldn't decide if he meant inCOOCOOnvenient, or inCOCOONvenient.
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Barney

What obstruction and perjury?? Were not talking the Clittons here..!

"Gayle - I'd venture a guess you've never seen "An Incoconvenient Truth." Prove me wrong.

Hugh, I've never seen "An Incoconvenient Truth" either. Because the movie is indeed "coco" , although I prefer to spell it coo coo. Was that a freudian slip? Sure it was.
Propaganda is always a little coo coo.

Bwahahahahaha... you guys are pathetic.

Well gee, the spell checkers/mockers are out and about and giggling about their collective superiority. I see Jo is vomiting all over herself once again. And, as usual, you folks just pop a vein and start spewing without stopping to read comments.

Let me it clear even for the more challenged of you. A poster, Gayle, made a comment about a documentary. I commented that I imagined he hadn't even seen it. He has not responded yet. Jo, your response proves without any doubt how ignorant you are. Kim shows his/her (lack of) intelligence and DHoggs makes no sense. Go figure. And you wonder why thew country has gone middle/left?

Kim,

Bush: "We'll get him (OBL) dead or alive"
Bush: "Honestly, I don't think about him much"

Scott McClellan: Libby and Rove had nothing to do with the leaking of V.P. identity.

Bush: If anyone is involved with the leak, I want to know. There is no place in my administration for leakers. Libby, Rove, Cheney, McCellan, Fleischer and Armatage all had a role in the leaking or cover-up and none of them lost their job (Fleischer had left by then)

Now Kim, tell me one lie that was in Wilson's OpEd.

I make no sense hugh? I think I was quite clear yet you are ignoring my question. You obviously take issue with Gayle saying gore's movie is full of lies, so I ask you again, do you really believe what gore says, which is that a realistic short term possibility is a 20ft. rise in the sea level?! When even the most aggresive models touted by global warming advocates say it is only 2-3ft by 2100? Because either you believe that, proving you are a total idiot, or gore is lying, proving that you are lying as well by supporting his movie. I anxiously await your answer, yet somehow I think you'll weasel out of or around it.

By the way, your spelling isn't the only thing that sucks, what exactly does, "Let me it clear" mean? Because if it's what I think you mean, that's pretty fucking ironically funny!!

BG2, do you mean Wilson's 2/6/03 op-ed in the LATimes?

Wilson's two main lies are that he debunked Iraqi interest in Niger after his trip there, and that his wife had nothing to do with sending him there. His wife initiated the process, and his report included Iraqi interest in 1999. Wilson or Plame herself originally initiated her publicizing in May of '03 by talking to Kristoff. Armitage talked about her big time in June of '03. Cheney and Libby only connected the wife of the critical ambassador with the low-level operative who sent him in July of '03. Fitzgerald still doesn't get this.

Hugh, you got anything besides a hateful ad hominem about me, there?
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Well D-Hoggs:

I know your you're slow so I'll try and explain it slow. I made a challenge to a commentor who was criticizing a documentary that i doubted he'd seen it. That was all. Nothing else. Get it? Then you defenders of the true belief start referencing things that weren't even said - the usual thing from you folks

See, it be kinda like me saying I hate this movie I never went to see. Now what would you say to someone who critiqued something he never saw? Even you can probably answer that one.

Come-on Kim, you know what I mean. Please point out one lie in the JW Wa Po 6/12/03 OpEd.

Please provide quotes, and not just your opinion, and point to references (links would be nice) that debunk Wilson's claims.

It's going to be fun to watch you spin your way out of this.

Well I guess if you spend most of the last 6-years defending the lies of this administration, obstruction of justice and perjury is just apart of "d