All the while, Gore's home in Nashville uses twice as much electricity in one month than the average home does in an entire year.

Maybe because Gore still has a full time security detail to protect him from right wing nut jobs who can't debate his ideas so they send him death threats instead. His home also has offices for his staff where people work out of. Ever consider that?

And did Gore ever preach to anyone not to live in a big house?

You guys are reaching so hard in this 'gotcha' quest, it's hysterical. Like any of you would ever consider voting for him in the first place.

More manufactured, fake outrage.

Maybe because Gore still has a full time security detail to protect him from right wing nut jobs who can't debate his ideas so they send him death threats instead. His home also has offices for his staff where people work out of. Ever consider that?

And did Gore ever preach to anyone not to live in a big house?

You guys are reaching so hard in this 'gotcha' quest, it's hysterical. Like any of you would ever consider voting for him in the first place.

More manufactured, fake outrage.

Nah. It just shows that people like you only care about global warming if you can slam Bush about it.
-=Mike

Thanks for not addressing any of my points, Mike.

Instead, you repeat the tired old standby about so called Bush bashing. That really is the last pathetic refuge for the wingnuts these days when they cannot properly refute an arguement.

Poor Bush, getting bashed, gosh whatever shall he do?

Bush had nothing to do with it until you mentioned him but thanks for the distraction.

How would the libtards feel about 'credits' if they were gotten from Halliburton(WHo, by the way, ranks George Soros as one of its largest stockholders).

Instead, you repeat the tired old standby about so called Bush bashing. That really is the last pathetic refuge for the wingnuts these days when they cannot properly refute an arguement.

Gore uses more energy than the vast majority of people. You wish to defend it saying that he has "special needs" that, apparently, nobody else needs (heck, go see what George Bush Sr. uses and compare it). He has produced a company that makes money off irrational fears that he perpetuates.

Bush had nothing to do with it until you mentioned him but thanks for the distraction.

Yup. The only time global warming is an issue to hypocrites such as yourself is when you can attack Bush about it.

When you cannot, then it is a non-issue to you.
-=Mike

Heaven forbid Gore invests in what he believes in?

"Imagine the president of General Motors flying all over the world trumpeting a new technology for transportation while he quietly buys more and more of the very stock that will dramatically increase in value through his efforts?"

Does the absurdity of that statement even need a reply?

Mike, Gore gets a Secret Service detail assigned to him and his immediate family for the rest of his life, as does any ex-pres or VP. You did know that right? He didn't request it, it's the law of the land. Bush Sr has the SS detail too, as does Nancy Reagan.

You can consider that 'special needs' I suppose. And he does have offices in his home as well, hence more people are there than a nuclear family, and that means more PC's, lights, A/C, water, etc and that means more power is used. Duh.

And again, I didn't mention Bush oncehere okay, but you brought him up to try and deflect your feeble assertions. Nice try.

Now I am a hypocrite too, I guess that's the wingnut label of the week.

You guys are comedy gold here, you know that?

How would the libtards feel about 'credits' if they were gotten from Halliburton(WHo, by the way, ranks George Soros as one of its largest stockholders).

Well, since none of the 'credits' did come from Haliburton your arguement has sunk to the bottom of the sea. Care to try using logic next time?

Are you that bankrupt for your arguement you have to resort to hypotheticals?

Mike, Gore gets a Secret Service detail assigned to him and his immediate family for the rest of his life, as does any ex-pres or VP. You did know that right? He didn't request it, it's the law of the land. Bush Sr has the SS detail too, as does Nancy Reagan.

Again, feel free to explain why it causes his usage to DWARF so many other people's. Heck, find out Bush Sr's energy usage if you wish to argue that the Secret Service detail is the reason and make the comparison.

You can consider that 'special needs' I suppose. And he does have offices in his home as well, hence more people are there than a nuclear family, and that means more PC's, lights, A/C, water, etc and that means more power is used. Duh.

Not just more power.

SEVERAL TIMES MORE POWER.

There is a dramatic difference.

Now I am a hypocrite too, I guess that's the wingnut label of the week.

No. It's a statement of fact.
-=Mike

Are you that bankrupt for your arguement you have to resort to hypotheticals?

Such as you have done defending Gore?
-=Mike

Again, feel free to explain why it causes his usage to DWARF so many other people's.

Let's try this slower, so the learning impared can follow.

Gore lives in a BIG house, because he made some $$$ in his life. In this BIG house Gore lives in are offices and quarters for 1)Security people who work 24-7-365 who monitor the premises and surrounding area 2)administrative staff for him and Tipper, who don't work round the clock but are there 40-50 hours out of the week.

So, in this BIG house Gore lives in are lots of people at all hours. Check.

Now, they can't read Wizbang blog in the dark can they, so they like to use....ding ding...electricity! Lots of it, because there are people making phone calls, and faxing, and emailing, and doing all kinds of things.

SEVERAL TIMES MORE ELECTRICITY IN FACT! (I figured you'd appreciate all caps)

So you are correct in that Gore uses more power than the average family. Amazing powers of observation you have Mike.

"Imagine the president of General Motors flying all over the world trumpeting a new technology for transportation while he quietly buys more and more of the very stock that will dramatically increase in value through his efforts?"

Uhh...yeah...that's what is known as capitalism.

Is this Wizbang? I thought for a moment I was at Daily Kos.

First, you guys were upset that Gore has a big home. Now, you're upset that he's a capitalist.

Again, that's awfully progressive of you guys!

Wonder if the local zoning officials know about all this office use going on in a residential zone.

Oh, the laws don't apply to him?

Show me one nonsense hypothetical arguement like gianni used that I have posted, Mike. Show me one.

Wonder if the local zoning officials know about all this office use going on in a residential zone.

Hey maybe this can be your crusade. Why don't you take the lead, and get to the bottom of this important matter pronto!

All these experts here at Wizbang, everything from CIA experts to weather experts and now we have zoning and planning experts.

Let's try this slower, so the learning impared can follow.

Gore lives in a BIG house, because he made some $$$ in his life. In this BIG house Gore lives in are offices and quarters for 1)Security people who work 24-7-365 who monitor the premises and surrounding area 2)administrative staff for him and Tipper, who don't work round the clock but are there 40-50 hours out of the week.

So, in this BIG house Gore lives in are lots of people at all hours. Check.

Now, they can't read Wizbang blog in the dark can they, so they like to use....ding ding...electricity! Lots of it, because there are people making phone calls, and faxing, and emailing, and doing all kinds of things.

SEVERAL TIMES MORE ELECTRICITY IN FACT! (I figured you'd appreciate all caps)

So you are correct in that Gore uses more power than the average family. Amazing powers of observation you have Mike.

So, are you now trying to argue that the reason Bush's ranch uses much less power than Gore's is that he does not have similar demands on him and similar sizes of groups working for him there? Is THAT your argument? That a ranch that is able to communicate with anybody at any time just as if he was in the Oval Office doesn't quite have the same energy needs as a former V.P championing junk science?

And present something besides the same hypotheticals you condemn Gianni for using.

Thanks.
-=Mike

Show me one nonsense hypothetical arguement like gianni used that I have posted, Mike. Show me one.

Read your arguments for why Gore has so much more energy usage without any, you know, facts to back them up.
-=Mike

Read your arguments for why Gore has so much more energy usage without any, you know, facts to back them up.

Just as I thought, all hat no cattle. You can't find one, so you timidly resort by saying, read what you wrote.

The task was for you, Mike, to find it as you accused me of it, but since you couldn't I expected nothing less than your failed little comeback.

It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

Just as I thought, all hat no cattle. You can't find one, so you timidly resort by saying, read what you wrote.

You present hypothetical reasons without proof to support them to try and defend Gore. Don't blame me for noticing that.

The task was for you, Mike, to find it as you accused me of it, but since you couldn't I expected nothing less than your failed little comeback.

I presented them to you. If you're too dense to comprehend, that seems to be the fault of those that tried to teach you in your youth.

"Well, Gore has a big staff". No numbers as to how many people. Nor how much work they do. Nor how many PC's this allegedly large staff has. Or why he is any different than a company CEO. Or why he uses more than the current President's home.
-=Mike

Jaku, how big is Gore's detail? In order to justify the electricity usage he would have to have a detail of about 48 people living at that house full time. By the way Gulfstream II's can't carry 50 people. At max it carries 19, but is normally it carries 12. That actually makes sense, 8 guards, wife, a administative assistant, and a friend (or two). If Gore is like Carter or Bush the first the detail would live in a separately powered home whose power bills are paid by the taxpayers.

That again begs the question. Anyway, why does someone who really cares need with a heated pool, a hot tub, and a steam shower (maybe they are for the security detail, riiiiight) I have a late friend who was worth close to a a quarter of billion bucks. He thought that heating his pool was a waste of energy. I also suspect, relatively speaking, he had a small carbon footprint (though to be honest I do not know for sure, but he didn't have a hot tub or steam shower either).

On the other hand you fail to address the main point of the post. Gore is making a great deal of money with GIM and its investments stratagies isn't souly carbon related. Just go to their ugly web site and check it out.

So, in this BIG house Gore lives in are lots of people at all hours. Check.

Thats it! Of course that is why the pool is heated 24/7/365 even when Al and Tipper are out of town, hell the hired help might want to take a dip! So sorry we brought it up. Is this another one of those things that Al has directed there not to be a debate about?

This one doesn't bother me. He's just committed to the idea in the most emphatic way: he put his investment money where his mouth is.

This is one of those cases where if someone like Gore didn't back a company like this, it might not happen.

I'm far from convinced this is the right way to approach the problem or that it's more than just a way for rich liberals to buy peace with their conscience on evironmental matters, but any conservative or libertarian faulting Gore for turning to the market to address any issue may be forgetting what they stand for.

Jaku, if you were honest, you'd notice that a 20 times average usage is magnitude above what's demanded from having some staff and computers in your house. But your fact-free posting doesn't bear scrutiny anyway.

I run a small business with 10 people and 12 computers, including 2 servers, and our power usage is no where near the 20 multiple Gore uses.

And as a past-VP, it would be nice to think he observes the local zoning laws which I am familiar with as an attorney, by the way.

Observing legalities (and ethics, including, now business ethics) was never a strong suit of yours and your leadership under Clinton/Gore, etc.

"So, are you now trying to argue that the reason Bush's ranch uses much less power than Gore's is that he does not have similar demands on him and similar sizes of groups working for him there? " mikesc

This was such a stupid statement that I am surprised no-one has jumped on this?

Miksc, how many days in the year is Bush at the ranch compared with the number of days Gore is at his primary residency?

If you want to make a valid comparison, please find out the daily electrical usage of the White House and the ranch. Now compare it to Gore's usage (primary and secondary homes).

We'll wait for your answer.

Jaku, your missing the big point here. Gore does not practice what he preaches. He's out their scaring the hell out of people by playing on their middle class guilt. The rest of us should be saving the world, but he's got a get out of jail free card because he bought "credit."

I personally wouldn't have a problem with Gore's energy consumption - what he does with his money is his business. But he's being a hypocrite. And people don't like hypocrites. If he were a real and true greenie, he'd live like Ed Begley Jr, in a little house with solar panels and drive an electric car or his bike. That guy might be crazy, but he certainly practices what he preaches.. And that you have to have respect for. I just can't drum up any respect for Gore if he's not even going to try.

Funny how NO ONE gave a shit about his house until after he won the academy award.

Like trained seals, the rightie blog in all its mouth foam were so OUTRAGED!

Did Gore ever tell anyone not to live in a big house ever?

Oh well, trying to communicate with the rabid right wing losers here is impossible, so Ill let you guys soil your cages once more and flail about someone who isnt even running for office

Try something more useful like calling Edwards a fag.

The only thing more boring than this discussion is one of Gore's speeches.

Funny how NO ONE gave a shit about his house until after he won the academy award.

Thanks for proving our point. Have a nice day!

Nice tantrum, Jaku.

Goodbye.

jku:

Mike, Gore gets a Secret Service detail assigned to him and his immediate family for the rest of his life,

That has to be one of the sorriest pieces of horseshit you've ever posted jaku. And the list is long so this really stands out.

Just how much extra energy do you believe 2-5 secret service guys would use per month jaku? What percentage of that 20k a month Gore is using is placed at the feet of the secret service?

Oh wait I know. It's those new secret service mind ray weapons they have developed. Stop attackers in their tracks I hear.

Or maybe they're extra fastidious about their appearance and use their electric shavers every hour on the half hour.

You satirize yourself jaku!

One question jaku:

Records show since the release of Gore's IC movie his energy use at his home has increased, why is that?

My take is someone "out front" on this issue would have made the extra effort to ensure that didn't happen, but it has.

BTW, I tend to believe the increase is caused by the movie being run in a continuous loop in his home theater (and bathroom, pantry, garage, maids room and utility closet) and used as a masturbation aid.

But I could be wrong.

ah, yes. Gore cannot be excused from flying in airplanes to promote his cause, despite the fact he is famous and in a much different position, and has a much different kind of job, than the average person. should he walk everywhere, to prove his dedication to the cause? is it possible that depsite his gasoline fuel consumption, he is actually doing a great deal for the environmental cause as a result of all of his efforts?

i am glad to see you all insisting that he must behave perfectly, and "live it." it is, indeed, very important for one to practice what one preaches, and not just talk and blog about it. i mean, i see how all of you have signed up to fight in afghanistan and iraq, and have made so many personal sacrifices so that our great nation can win in the great existential clash of civilizations. what's that? you don't have to fight or do anything but talk to support these causes? oh, ok. i may be a bit confused. i thought that 101 keyboard brigade was doing its part mainly by talking. i mean, al gore, shit, he's all talk. making a movie, promoting the cause all around the globe, setting up a company to facilitate what he talks about- this is all talk. no real effort being made. not like you guys. no you guys aren't hypocrites. you are making huge sacrifices for your existential causes.

Miksc, how many days in the year is Bush at the ranch compared with the number of days Gore is at his primary residency?

Yes, when Bush is not there, it is TOTALLY empty. No security is EVER there unless Bush is there, right?
-=Mike

barneyg:

miksc, how many days in the year is Bush at the ranch compared with the number of days Gore is at his primary residency?

You first barney. You made the challenge yet don't know yourself.

Besides, we all know Bush is on vacation at the ranch all the time right? Oh wait, that was the childish sufferers of BDS that made that charge.

BTW, I tend to believe the increase is caused by the movie being run in a continuous loop in his home theater (and bathroom, pantry, garage, maids room and utility closet) and used as a masturbation aid.

All these bizzare sex references I see all over the wingnut blogs, is that a result of your own pdesires, or your own inability to get laid?

What a mind to think that one up.

That has to be one of the sorriest pieces of horseshit you've ever posted jaku. And the list is long so this really stands out.

This one thread I'll admit I don't have the ammo. Like it would matter if I did but I didn't get the points across the way I wanted. No big.

If it makes you feel better, you and Rush Limpballs can stand on the street corner and shout Gore Hypocrite all you want all day long.