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Similar, but still very different

There's a bit of a kerfuffle down at CPAC, where it turns out that not-quite-certified psycho moonbat stalker Mike Stark (the guy who assaulted a security guard at a George Allen event in order to "exercise his right to free speech" and demand if Allen had spat on his first wife) "covertly infiltrated" the event in order to get a picture with Michelle Malkin, another "object of his affection."

Based on Stark's prior record and animosity towards right-wingers, Malkin, her family, colleagues,and friends are certainly entitled to be concerned. After all, in addition to Stark's own history with Allen (shoving the bodyguard aside), there have been other incidents of "unhinged" left-wingers physically assaulting those they disagree with.

But then I happened to look a little further down Hot Air's page, and found this article. Here's Hot Air staffer Ian Schwartz, posing quite chummily with Maureen Dowd. Isn't that picture a rather remarkable parallel with Michelle unknowingly posing with her stalker?

On the surface, yes. And for those who appreciate irony, to have those two postings sharing one page is quite ironic. But there are differences that, as they say, make all the difference.

1) Stark lied and misrepresented himself to gain access to Malkin. On the other hand, note that Schwartz is wearing a name tag (presumably declaring his affiliation with Hot Air) and made no bones about who and what he is.

2) Schwartz was an invited guest of the event, unlike Stark. Dowd was the outsider, but came there openly, making no bones about who and what she is. Stark entered under false colors.

3) While both photos were taken with the intent of posting them for ironic enjoyment (and, let's be honest, a healthy amount of derision of the distaff object of both), Dowd must have known that sort of thing would happen when she ventured into "the lion's den" of CPAC. Malkin, on the other hand, was operating under what should have been a safe assumption that she was among friends.

4) This is rather painful to admit, but in this case Dowd comes across looking far better than Stark. Both are deranged moonbats, but Dowd had the decency and integrity to enter as herself, flying her own flag. Stark -- thanks in large part to the reputation as a borderline violent stalker he's so assiduously developed -- knew that he would be excluded if he openly declared himself and his intentions, so he "flew under the radar" and "infiltrated" the gathering.

So yeah, on the surface, you can argue that it's hypocritical of Hot Air to celebrate the picture of one of their own with Maureen Dowd, while simultaneously freaking over Stark's picture of himself with Michelle Malkin.

You can argue that, but you'd be wrong.


Comments (68)

Deranged and psychotic peop... (Below threshold)
drlava:

Deranged and psychotic people at CPAC...???? No way!


I hear there are no military recruiters either.

So what if the guy's acting... (Below threshold)
Baron Von Ottomatic:

So what if the guy's acting like Travis Bickell, Taxi Driver had a happy ending...

I hope he was able to sneak... (Below threshold)
Lee:

I hope he was able to sneak into some of the seminars and get photos from the "inside" of CPAC.

I hear the "How to Speak in Tongues" seminars totally rock, and of course there is the ever-popular "Dancing with Snakes" exhibition -- that one always gets the crowd chanting.

newsflash to drlava and the... (Below threshold)
good grief:

newsflash to drlava and the idiot moronic Stark: military recruiters don't go to partisan political events.

God, for all the tough talk... (Below threshold)
jp2:

God, for all the tough talk I find the neo-cons to be the biggest cowards. I've never seen a group of people get so (falsely) scared over a photo. This group has managed to drive Depends stock into the clouds.

By the way Jay - quite shocking your conclusion was "neo-con good, lefty bad."

Also, it was hilarious when you called them moonbats!

Ooooh. Oooooh. Lee, you hav... (Below threshold)
jocrazy0:

Ooooh. Oooooh. Lee, you have pictures? Lets see pictures! Oh, of course you don't. I forget you are the resident troll. Oh, well, it would be good of you to provide pictures when you're snarking, but, whatever.

Unfortunately for Michelle, she has become somewhat a celebrity in her own right, which generates another set of problems.

And as Lee so cogently provided above, a veritable constellation of moonbats, detractors, haters, and snipers. It is so easy for small minded people to attack, for it easier to attack than to provide reasoned discourse.........

Jocrazy - I see you've been... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Jocrazy - I see you've been working on your "talking in tongues".

And hey! nice dance! What's the snake's name?

btw -- Malkin's popularity is dropping like a stone. Since you like pictures, check out this one.

and as to this: "And as Lee so cogently provided above, a veritable constellation of moonbats, detractors, haters, and snipers. It is so easy for small minded people to attack, for it easier to attack than to provide reasoned discourse........."

I refer you to this: "Ooooh. Oooooh. Lee, you have pictures? Lets see pictures! Oh, of course you don't. I forget you are the resident troll. Oh, well, it would be good of you to provide pictures when you're snarking, but, whatever."

Lol! Like I said, the name "jocrazy" fits.

"Sham Lam Belama Bam!" (I think that means "have a nice day", but you probably knew that already...)

It is so easy for small... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

It is so easy for small minded people to attack, for it easier to attack than to provide reasoned discourse...

Good point, jocrazy That is why this year after last year--the CPAC hires as it's featured speaker Ann Coulter-Terrible hatred and anger on the left
Reasoned discourse doesn't get them cheering wildly in the bleachers.

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Jay,You missed the... (Below threshold)
civil behavior:

Jay,

You missed the battiest of the convention. The one we want the conservatives to take full repsponsibility for owning as celebrities in their midst.

Man Coulter......you know the one who said "I was going to comment on John Edwards,but it turns out you have to go into rehab if you say the word faggot.''

or her reference to Barack Obama as "B. Hussein Obama

of course a shining republican candidate agreed "I'm happy that after you hear me you're going to hear from Ann Coulter. It's important to hear from the moderates.''

Yes, the cetified psycho's were out in full force at the dancing snakes convention. Hoo rah!!


Well said, and a "Sham Lam ... (Below threshold)
Lee, while laughing hysterically:

Well said, and a "Sham Lam Belama Bam" to you cb!

I see old "pucker puss" (le... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

I see old "pucker puss" (lee lee) (resident turd polisher) (resident moron) is out in force this morning with his (or hers) "ditto" key. Uh p'p' don't you wish you had some popularity to drop? You would look like a piss ant standing next to MM. To all the rest of the trolls, old Annie sure gets your goat don't she? LOL

1. Am I the only conservati... (Below threshold)

1. Am I the only conservative here who thinks that Coulter's comments don't help at all?

2. Do you think Romney might have liked knowing what she was going to say before he announced her impending appearance with giddy anticipation?

Ann always picks a word or ... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

Ann always picks a word or phrase (not an accident) to send a few more moonbats across the line from BDS to Insanity. Too bad Lee crossed the line years ago.

Hollywoods comedy writers must be hiding under their desk. The dhimmi's have provided so much comedy since Nov 06 that there is no longer a requirement for a professional writer.

Amyone think Algore will try to copy GW's enviro friendly home (years old) instead of burning 10 times the natural resources as the average American? Na, he's too stupid to realize he's been had by they weird of the weird left wingers and he likes the money the left wingers put in his bank account by the million of dollars. Maybe like Peeeloshi he'll demand a bigger aircraft, provided by the BDS sufferer's of course.

Hey - <a href="http://www.h... (Below threshold)
Lee, while laughing hysterically:

Hey - If Coulter wants to endorse Romney I think that's great. I'm really glad he's moving up in popularity.

In her choice of a presidential candidate, however, Coulter seemed pretty mainstream: She likes Mitt Romney, she said.

(He returned the compliment, too, - or pre-turned it, I guess, saying before she took the podium, "I'm happy that after you hear me you're going to hear from Ann Coulter. It's important to hear from the moderates.''

In fact, he seemed to have ripped several pages from the Coulter playbook for his own speech, in which he held sacred the First Amendment right to unfettered campaign donations - "They let the campaign finance lobby take away our First Amendment rights!'' - but then showed disdain for the actual exercise of a free press. The press, he said, had written the obit of the conservative movement many times, "but I predict we'll be around a lot longer than, say, the newspapers will be around.'')

And of the dozen conferees I buttonholed at random after the day's speeches - which also included remarks by Rudy Giuliani and Sam Brownback -- Romney seemed a crowd favorite.

Rudy got some laughs when he said that the Democrats even want to make the result of the next World Series non-binding.

And Brownback got a lot of the love, talking about his fervent opposition to abortion and his meeting with Mother Teresa, who clasped his hand and told him, "All for Jesus, all for Jesus, all for Jesus, all for Jesus.''

But it was Romney who seemed to have picked up some support for '08: "He said all the right things,'' said Patrick Johnson, a student from the University of South Dakota. "And he's the only one of them with their hat in the ring who has only had one wife.''

Now THAT's comedy!

OT, but whatever happened t... (Below threshold)
ggoriam:

OT, but whatever happened to Air America?

TO all trolls...Um... (Below threshold)
MunDane:

TO all trolls...

Umm guys, when your comments make up the majority of the first dozen on every new post, you have entered "Obsession Land". So have fun, but I hope everyone realizes there really isn't a thing you can say that is reasonable under those circumstances.

MunDane-You hit th... (Below threshold)
ggoriam:

MunDane-

You hit the nail on the head, and perfectly fitting when the discussion is about stalkers.

Let's note that the last th... (Below threshold)
Lee while laughing hysterically:

Let's note that the last three comments had to do with the post. I won't count jhow's troll, he's got a special exemption due to his illness.

When are you guys going to "engage" in the discussion, and not just sit on the sidelines throwing rocks at the big adults? Are you afraid?

Sorry - that should have re... (Below threshold)
Lee, while laughing hysterically:

Sorry - that should have read: "Let's note that the last three comments had nothing to do with the post."

I stopped voluntarily findi... (Below threshold)
OhioVoter:

I stopped voluntarily finding out Ann Coulter's opinion the day she wrote all Muslims should be forcibly converted to Christianity. Anyone saying that doesn't understand Christianity - let alone Islam.

Her comment

"I was going to comment on John Edwards,but it turns out you have to go into rehab if you say the word faggot.''

.. was inexcusable and nasty.

What's even more disgusting is that, in the real world, her comment is too often true. (Most recently, the "Grey's Anatomy" star, I believe.) Too much bad behavior is blamed on ills that rehab is supposed to somehow magically "fix". My experience has been that someone who says such things drunk thought the same things when sober (and, yes, that includes Mel). They were just more careful who they said them to before.

As to her reference to Barack Hussein Obama ... How DARE she call him by his given name! (Reference Previous thread on a definition of a "smear".)


In fact, he seemed to have ripped several pages from the Coulter playbook for his own speech, in which he held sacred the First Amendment right to unfettered campaign donations - "They let the campaign finance lobby take away our First Amendment rights!'' - but then showed disdain for the actual exercise of a free press. The press, he said, had written the obit of the conservative movement many times, "but I predict we'll be around a lot longer than, say, the newspapers will be around.'')

Wow! So when Romney exercise HIS FREE SPEECH by giving his opinion, he is showing disdain for the actual exercise of free speech? Right ....

Apparently the author of the piece is unfamiliar with the economic news coming from the nations newspapers. What he assumes is a partisian comment is no more than a factual reflection on an industry losing hundreds of millions of dollars(collectively) annually in the face of other, more rapid technologies taking their business.

"As to her reference to ... (Below threshold)
Lee, while laughing hysterically:

"As to her reference to Barack Hussein Obama ... How DARE she call him by his given name! "

She called him B. Hussein Obama. If you can't recognize the difference, and her intent, go back to bed and get some more sleep. If you're just going to lie about what was said, at least include a quote - as you did here... reference Coulter's use of the word faggot to describe a Democratic candidate for president.

"Her comment... was inexcusable and nasty.

What's even more disgusting is that, in the real world, her comment is too often true."

really? It's "true" that ""I was going to comment on John Edwards,but it turns out you have to go into rehab if you say the word faggot.''

Again, context and intent are your friends, and key to understanding. Oh, I see -- you're just apologizing for the right "left and right" no matter what they say or do -- well, carry on OV.

Still get under your skin d... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Still get under your skin don't I p'p'. Thanks for helping to pay for my medicine for my illness. If you wear out your "ditto" key wally world sells them. Uh p'p' why are you saying something about posting off topic? That is your favorite way to hide the truth. Can you say hypocrite?

btw -- Malkin's popularity ... (Below threshold)
yo:

btw -- Malkin's popularity is dropping like a stone. Since you like pictures, check out this one.

Posted by: Lee at March 3, 2007 10:07 AM


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Your point being what, again?

Thanks Ann for cementing th... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Thanks Ann for cementing the fact that Republicans are bigots (the party of hate), and to Mitt for endorsing her comments. That was priceless.

Posted by Dean Barnett | 6... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Posted by Dean Barnett | 6:54 PM
Idiotic. Disgusting. Stupid. Moronic.

I guess you could say that Ann loves to shock us, but at this point, who's shocked? She obviously can't behave well enough to attend a respectable political gathering. It's not a lack of intelligence. It's an indifference to self-control and a preening sort of narcissism that compels her to need the spotlight, even if it's unflattering.

Nothing like eating your own.

"It's an honor to be here i... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

"It's an honor to be here in high heels, walking backwards," Mitt Romney said Friday as he began his address to the Conservative Political Action Conference.

Maybe Ann got the name wrong?

Discussion?Not a s... (Below threshold)
MunDane:

Discussion?

Not a single troll wants discussion. Every post is just another place for...it, I guess...to ejaculate words all over the comments and claim it is art/opinion. "Whee! Look at me! I are teh clever!"

Discuss: Bad behavior in the past is not an excuse for bad behavior in the present

She called him B. ... (Below threshold)
OhioVoter:
She called him B. Hussein Obama. If you can't recognize the difference, and her intent, go back to bed and get some more sleep.

Why on earth do you think Barack Obama should hide the fact that his middle name is Hussein? Do you think that he should be ashamed of it for some reason? I really don't understand your reasoning in this one.

If you think that her intent was to be offensive (I personally don't claim to be able to read minds as you do), then the best defense is to refuse to be offended and not give her the satisfaction. Given that his name IS Barack Hussein Obama, then it makes even more sense.

If you're just going to lie about what was said, at least include a quote - as you did here... reference Coulter's use of the word faggot to describe a Democratic candidate for president.

I wouldn't have normally responded to this, but found it amusing that you lied yourself in this quote. LOL!

really? It's "true" that ""I was going to comment on John Edwards,but it turns out you have to go into rehab if you say the word faggot.''

Again, context and intent are your friends, and key to understanding. Oh, I see -- you're just apologizing for the right "left and right" no matter what they say or do -- well, carry on OV.

I see that you "forgot" to quote the rest of what I actually said.

What I actually said:

What's even more disgusting is that, in the real world, her comment is too often true. (Most recently, the "Grey's Anatomy" star, I believe.) Too much bad behavior is blamed on ills that rehab is supposed to somehow magically "fix". My experience has been that someone who says such things drunk thought the same things when sober (and, yes, that includes Mel). They were just more careful who they said them to before.

BTW, if you soak your sock puppet in with a little dishwashing detergent before you wash it, it will come out of the laundry looking great.

She obviously can'... (Below threshold)
OhioVoter:
She obviously can't behave well enough to attend a respectable political gathering. It's not a lack of intelligence. It's an indifference to self-control and a preening sort of narcissism that compels her to need the spotlight, even if it's unflattering.

Agreed.

I first became aware of Ann Coulter about the same time as Barbara Olson. I sometimes wonder if Olson had not been killed on 9/11, if Coulter would have had the same career success. Olson clearly has a conservative agenda, but generally I found her to be far more reasoned in her views.

I first became aware of ... (Below threshold)
Jaku:

I first became aware of Ann Coulter about the same time as Barbara Olson. I sometimes wonder if Olson had not been killed on 9/11, if Coulter would have had the same career success. Olson clearly has a conservative agenda, but generally I found her to be far more reasoned in her views.

Maybe Man Coulter can ask Ted Olsen on why enjoyed his wife's death so much.

Seeing as how Ted hasn't do... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

Seeing as how Ted hasn't done anything to captialize on Barbara Olsen's death (And I knew liberal commentators who applauded her death, mind you) --- and, Barbara was one of Ann's admitted most respected friends --- it seems to be a non-sequitur for you.
-=Mike

The point you missed, Mike,... (Below threshold)
Jaku:

The point you missed, Mike, is that Man Coulter's arguements are rendered completely invaid, as she chooses to attack the person, and not the message.

But that's SOP for the attack dogs on the right these days. Nothing is considered too low.

What kind of miserable person would even say something like that in the first place?

The point you missed, Mi... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

The point you missed, Mike, is that Man Coulter's arguements are rendered completely invaid, as she chooses to attack the person, and not the message.

You seem to mistake me for somebody defending Ann.

But that's SOP for the attack dogs on the right these days. Nothing is considered too low.

Like lefties whining that the bomb didn't kill Cheney?

What kind of miserable person would even say something like that in the first place?

Bill Maher and Huffington commenters, for one.

As for homophobic comments, why do libs seem to mention frequently that Drudge is "known to be gay". Known by whom? Cared about by whom?
-=Mike

Oh but Mike, you don't unde... (Below threshold)

Oh but Mike, you don't understand. Gays don't have rights if they're conservative gays.

I just find it interesting ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

I just find it interesting that Romney talks about wearing women's shoes, and Rudy dresses in drag, and Ann calls Edwards the fag?

I just find it interesti... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

I just find it interesting that Romney talks about wearing women's shoes, and Rudy dresses in drag, and Ann calls Edwards the fag?

Homophobia from a leftie.

Color me stunned.
-=Mike

Yes Barney, I'm feeling in... (Below threshold)

Yes Barney, I'm feeling intimidated and uncomfortable here.

Gee Mikesc you might have s... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Gee Mikesc you might have some credibility if you actual took a stand against hate speech instead of defending it.

Mikesc, I take back what I ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Mikesc, I take back what I said based on this comment you wrote:

Homoerotic sadomaschism?

Well, I suppose it's better than the intellectual masturbation that the Dems openly support.
By: MikeSC on July 13, 2005 at 01:10pm

I didn't know that you where a member of the Log Cabin Republicans?

Gee Mikesc you might hav... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

Gee Mikesc you might have some credibility if you actual took a stand against hate speech instead of defending it.

Coming from a guy who defended Marcotte, that is quite humorous.

I didn't know that you where a member of the Log Cabin Republicans?

If I were, why would it be germane to this topic?

Please, stop digging the hole.
-=Mike

What kind of miser... (Below threshold)
OhioVoter:
What kind of miserable person would even say something like that in the first place?

That's what I wondered when I read this:

Maybe Man Coulter can ask Ted Olsen on why enjoyed his wife's death so much.
"Coming from a guy who defe... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

"Coming from a guy who defended Marcotte, that is quite humorous." mikesc

Got any proof of that? I'll wait.

Well--so far there have bee... (Below threshold)
nikkolai:

Well--so far there have been many of us denouncing/distancing from Coulter's statement. How do you pathetic lefties feel about the assasination joke and Cheney?

Hey nikie, how about Coulte... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Hey nikie, how about Coulter's assignation fantasies of Clinton, or her final solution to the Muslim problem?

I guess Republicans don't have a problem with those comments because they keep paying her to speak at their functions.

Not only did the republican... (Below threshold)
civil behavior:

Not only did the republicans wait until the blowback from her guttural trash talk surfaced but are now tripping all over themselves to distance themselves. Yet at the time of the utterances the crowds applauded and laughed heartily with her. Watch the video.

Why is Coulter the life of the party to the conservatives? The serious question you should be asking yourself is what the real motive behind these people's demonic allegiance to all people like Coulter and where is it taking this nation?

Hey nikie, how abo... (Below threshold)
OhioVoter:
Hey nikie, how about Coulter's assignation fantasies of Clinton,.....

I have to ask for a link to that one.

As I have previously indicated, I have a pretty low opinion of Coulter already. If she truly expressed an assignation fantasy about Clinton, I HAVE to see it for myself. LOL!

Not only did the republi... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

Not only did the republicans wait until the blowback from her guttural trash talk surfaced but are now tripping all over themselves to distance themselves. Yet at the time of the utterances the crowds applauded and laughed heartily with her. Watch the video.

Elapsed time: Less than 24 hrs.
-=Mike

Both are deranged ... (Below threshold)
Nikolay:
Both are deranged moonbats, but Dowd had the decency and integrity to enter as herself, flying her own flag. Stark -- thanks in large part to the reputation as a borderline violent stalker he's so assiduously developed -- knew that he would be excluded if he openly declared himself and his intentions, so he "flew under the radar" and "infiltrated" the gathering.
Great. Now the only thing for you to do is to prove that all this has something to do with reality. What does it mean, "Stark didn't enter as himself"? Was it a closed event? Was he disguised as a penguin?
Was Malkin thinking of of p... (Below threshold)
Go Mike Stark:

Was Malkin thinking of of people's safety when she posted confidential information about people who belonged to an Anti-War group on the Internet?

No:"Confidential i... (Below threshold)

No:

"Confidential information?" You mean the top-secret info they so cleverly concealed ON THEIR OWN FLYER, that they freely distributed?

The "confidential information" was the contact info they themselves published and gave out. All Malkin did was help them get their flyer (including contact info) more distribution.

I tend to think that if one puts a phone number on a flyer and hands it out, the notion that that number is still "confidential" is pretty much out the window.

J.

I couldn't find the Clinton... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

I couldn't find the Clinton "dream sequence" but I did find the following:
"We need somebody to put rat poisoning in Justice Stevens' creme brulee. That's just a joke, for you in the media."

"[Clinton] masturbates in the sinks."
-- Ann Coulter, Rivera Live, August 2, 1999

"If you don't hate Clinton and the people who labored to keep him in office, you don't love your country."
-- Ann Coulter, George, July 1999 (and you wonder why the magazine folded)

"Clinton is in love with the erect penis."
-- Ann Coulter, This Evening with Judith Regan,FOX News Channel, February 6, 2000

Women like Pamela Harriman and Patricia Duff are basically Anna Nicole Smith from the waist down. Let's just call it for what it is. They're whores."
-- Ann Coulter, Salon.com, November 16, 2000

"We're now at the point that it's beyond whether or not this guy is a horny hick. I really think it's a question of his mental stability. He really could be a lunatic. I think it is a rational question for Americans to ask whether their president is insane."
-- Ann Coulter, Equal Time(date unspecified)

"It's enough [to be impeached] for the president to be a pervert."
-- Ann Coulter, The Case Against Bill Clinton(1998, Regnery)

Given the titles (no links,... (Below threshold)
OhioVoter:

Given the titles (no links, I noticed) that you posted, it strikes me as unlikely that an assignation fantasy exists.

Color me skeptical.

Or did you mean "assassination"?

If that's the case, then you are right. Coulter has a lot in common with those who have called for the assassination of Bush and/or Cheney.

All of them should be ashamed of themselves.

Ohio, I agree, but I am not... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Ohio, I agree, but I am not aware of any leading liberal commentator that is calling for the death of Cheney/Bush.

Ohio, I agree, but I am ... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

Ohio, I agree, but I am not aware of any leading liberal commentator that is calling for the death of Cheney/Bush.

Missed Maher's show, eh?
-=Mike

Missed Maher's show, eh?<br... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Missed Maher's show, eh?
-=Mike

Posted by: MikeSC

What of it? Do you have anything to share, or you just going to make another stupid comment like this one:

"Coming from a guy who defended Marcotte, that is quite humorous." mikesc

Got any proof of that? I'll wait.

Posted by: BarneyG2000

I am still waiting on that one.

<a href="http://newsbusters... (Below threshold)
What of it?... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

What of it?

Don't get pissy at me because the point you thought you made was slammed back at you AGAIN.

Jesus, you've been wrong on virtually every issue you've posted about here. I can hardly blame you for being petulant, but act like an adult here.

For a change.

I am still waiting on that one.

I'm big enough to admit I was wrong on that.

You aren't big enough to admit you're wrong on Wilson. Or the point you made laughably poorly here.
-=Mike

BarneyG2000,You ju... (Below threshold)
OhioVoter:

BarneyG2000,

You just blew a HUGE portion of your credibility.

You made a claim that Coulter had assignation fantasies about Clinton.

Being no fan of Coulter's tendency to shoot her mouth off, I assumed that you were telling the truth. I believed you knew what you were talking about.

Given that prominent women's groups of the day defended Clinton's having sex with a very, very junior employee in his office during work hours while at the same time demanding that Joe Smith on Main Street pay dearly with his business and career for having a lunchtime quickie with a co-worker at a local hotel, I am used to hypocrisy when it comes to Clinton and people who claim to be feminists. There was even some White House reporter who - reportedly - claimed that she would gladly give Clinton a BJ for an exclusive.

But, you couldn't back up your claim.

Did I call you a liar?

No.

I realize that, on the internet, stories get "reported" and then embellished and, even when they have been proven to be wrong, still turn up as gospel later. The internet is nothing but the world's biggest rumor mill.

However, your comment:

Ohio, I agree, but I am not aware of any leading liberal commentator that is calling for the death of Cheney/Bush.

... shows that you are nothing but a partisian hypocrite.

You've been bitching for 24 hours about Coutler's comment. You have been ripping "Republicans" for not condemning her - despite the fact any number of Republicans have done just that - and now, in Lorie Byrd's thread on the subject, you rip her for not choosing to call for censoring Coulter's freedom of speech prior to her speech. (Lovely world you want, BTW. Silencing your enemies is so Chavez of you.)

According to you, every "Republicans" - regardless if they had even heard of the event let alone were present - is reponsible for one sentence that Coulter said in her speech.

However, Huffington Post has a thread in which commenter after commenter calls for harm to come to Cheney or expresses regret that he hasn't been killed and she leaves that thread going for over a day, but you are "unaware" of any major leading liberal commentator calling for the death of Cheney or Bush.

If I am responsible for a meeting of people and one person in that meeting speaks approvingly of someone being assassinated and I don't respond to that comment for over a day, then I have given approval to that statement. If over 400 people do that and I don't respond quickly and negatively to their statements, then I have given approval to their sentiments.

Yes I know that you would no longer find those comments at Huffington, but, having left those comments up as long as she did - and not banning those who made them - I am not giving her credit for later simply deleting them. Deleting a comment here or there that is inappropriate usually doesn't impact a thread that much. Large scale deletions like hers should have been directly addressed by her.

Now, the vast majority of Republicans had nothing to do with the CPAC convention and, of those there, only a small number had any influence whatsoever on whether Coulter was invited to speak or not, but you want "Republicans" held responsible for the one comment.

Unlike you, I don't, however, think that you and all Democrats/liberals should be held responsible for what was said at Huffington's approving of Cheney's assassination. However, I don't agree with you that Huffington bears no responsibility for them.

So, go on pretending what exists out there and what doesn't. I know now not to take what you say seriously.

After writing the post abov... (Below threshold)
OhioVoter:

After writing the post above, I read the previous link provided by another commenter.

Therefore, my comment:

Large scale deletions like hers should have been directly addressed by her.

... was incorrect.

Apparently, she did address the issue - and blamed it on a vast right wing conspiracy.

If it wasn't so pathetic, it would by hysterical.

but I am not aware of any l... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

but I am not aware of any leading liberal commentator that is calling for the death of Cheney/Bush.

Missed Maher's show, eh?

I lost credibility? Let's look at what I said:
"Calling for the Deaths.."

Here is what Maher' said:

Maher: But I have zero doubt that if Dick Cheney was not in power, people wouldn't be dying needlessly tomorrow.
and this:
"Maher: I'm just saying if he did die, other people, more people would live. That's a fact."

Saying hypothetically is not the same as saying I want or I hope.

Now let's look at a quote from Ann:
""We need somebody to put rat poisoning in Justice Stevens' creme brulee. That's just a joke, for you in the media."

That is a call to murder. Gee I'm sorry it is only a sitting Supreme Court Justice and not the former President. I guess that is OK in your book ohio?

As far as comments on the HuffPost, I could write "I wish someone would Kill..."

In your mind WIZ would be complicit in my statement? According to the HP, the comments were removed when the known, so again if you show me evidence that a leading person of the liberal movement is calling for the deaths of the Prez or VP, I will denounce those comments, and that person.

Barney, your argument is so... (Below threshold)

Barney, your argument is so beyond common sense as to call your sanity into question. "A call to murder?"

It isn't even worth the time to argue with you. Man, do something to fix yourself.

I am going to have to agree... (Below threshold)
OhioVoter:

I am going to have to agree with Wavemaker on this one.

What are you talking about?

You are disagreeing with me about references I never made and demanding comments on links that you haven't provided.

And I have no clue what "WIZ" refers to in the context that you used it.


OK, Ohio and mikesc ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:


OK, Ohio and mikesc here it is:

Coulter on killing Bill Clinton:

(Responding to a question from a Catholic University student about her biggest moral or ethical dilemma) "There was one time I had a shot at Clinton. I thought 'Ann, that's not going to help your career.'"

I await your apology.

Ohio,Maher's show ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Ohio,

Maher's show was on the controversy regarding Cheney. As part of his role as the moderator, he was putting forward a hypothetical question for his panel to discuss. His comment was "what if".

If you don't know the difference between a statement, and a topic of discussion, than you are pathetic.

Again, comments made by posters do not reflect the opinion or are endorsed by the persons running the blog.

There are hateful comments on this blog all the time. Does that mean Jay or Lori or whomever endorse those comments?

Barney,1. Look up... (Below threshold)
OhioVoter:

Barney,

1. Look up the word "assignation".

2. Look up the word "link".


(Responding to a questio... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

(Responding to a question from a Catholic University student about her biggest moral or ethical dilemma) "There was one time I had a shot at Clinton. I thought 'Ann, that's not going to help your career.'"

Maher didn't want to see Cheney die --- but this constitutes Ann having assassination fantasies?
-=Mike

BARNEYG2000---the Alan Comb... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

BARNEYG2000---the Alan Combs of Wizbang! posters.

Bill "the nose" Maher is a ... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Bill "the nose" Maher is a faggot. Do I need to go to rehab now?




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