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Just butt out!

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: smoking is dumb. It is stupid. It is foul, it is self-destructive, and it is disgusting. I have no sympathy for anyone who smokes; the evidence of how vile it is has been around for a long, long time, and today's smokers have no one to blame but themselves for their choices -- and the consequences they might suffer thereof.

That being said, I am getting more and more disgusted with the anti-smoking side than I am with the smokers -- and as someone whose parents both died of smoking-related causes, that takes a hell of a lot.

First up, in Massachusetts, they're considering a new law that would fine parents for smoking in a car with kids. While I think that is a truly noxious and vile thing to do, leave it to the Bay State to try to criminalize it. We are rapidly approaching the point where "everything not forbidden is mandatory," and this intrusion into the way people choose to parent (or, in this case, choose to badly parent) is just too damned much.

Not to mention that it gives the police yet one more reason to pull over a motorist in Massachusetts. According to the last count I heard (during the debate over seat belt laws in Massachusetts), they already have in excess of 1,300 reasons on the books for a cop to pull you over. They "need" another one like Ted Kennedy "needs" another shot of Chivas.

But that's Massachusetts. Such things are to be expected. If they didn't invent the notion of the "nanny state," they're certainly doing everything they can to perpetuate it.

But here in New Hampshire, we have higher standards. We are a bit brighter, a bit more independently-minded, a bit more concerned with freedom, a bit more involved in individual rights and free choices.

Whoops.

Yeah, here in New Hampshire we're looking at a ban on smoking in restaurants and bars.

What's wrong with the free market model? Why can't that determine whether a public place has smoking allowed, segregated, or banned?

Several years ago, the Red Arrow Diner in Manchester -- a 24-hour eatery with a huge place in local history and folklore -- bit the bullet and went non-smoking. Opponents predicted it would pay a heavy price for the move, as the place was practically synonymous with cigarette smoke. But the owner thought it would, in the end, be good for business -- and he was right. It's not only going strong, but has been ever since it took the plunge.

Other places set up "non-smoking" areas with separate air systems, to keep non-smokers from being troubled. They worked out pretty well. And when they didn't, customers voted -- with their wallets and their feet -- until the establishments worked out the kinks.

I have my own rule of thumb: if I go somewhere where smoke bothers me, I won't go back. If they allow smoking, but it doesn't interfere with my dining experience, I don't really care.

In Massachusetts, a lot of businesses made the mistake of trusting the state. First, they passed a law requiring very expensive, very elaborate air systems to properly control the smoke of the smoking areas, doing everything humanly possible to keep any stray smoke from wafting out of its designated zones. A lot of businesses spent a lot of money -- some well in excess of six figures -- on the equipment and installation.

And then, a few short years later, saw it all wasted when the state went back and said "never mind, now you can't smoke anywhere in the building." All those very expensive ventilation systems suddenly turned into colossal piles of useless junk, and the tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars the bars and restaurants had invested in them was just pissed down the drain.

Again, I say that smoking is stupid. People who smoke are idiotic, self-destructive, narcissistic, selfish morons who pretty much deserve all they get -- diseases, poor general health, stinky breath and clothing, and scorn and disdain from the general populace.

But they have a right to be idiotic, narcissistic, selfish morons. There is no more important right than the right to be wrong.


Comments (72)

I generally agree with you ... (Below threshold)
Tim in PA:

I generally agree with you on this stuff; I also find the smoking bans in restaurants to be asinine.

However, as a kid I vividly recall rolling down the car window and sticking my head out to get away from smoke. With a restaurant, you, an adult, have a choice on whether or not to eat there or work there. Kids don't have these choices.

While I'm generally appalled by nanny-style government and many of its excesses - including some of its attacks on smoking - in this case I'm not particularly sympathetic to the smokers.

The car-smoking proposal is only really the tip of the iceberg, because it's the most easily enforceable option. I've seen kids living in housing where adults smoked so much that it looks like a bar 24/7; what about those kids' stinky clothing, poor general health, and scorn from their peers?

What would you do if your neighbors allowed their children to run around naked and covered in shit, and never bathed them? Would you write that off as just "hey, they have a right to be bad parents"? What we're talking about here is just a matter of degree; we need to figure out where the line is.

Perhaps here in the States we need to set a high threshold for that line in the interest of personal liberty, but don't expect too much outrage from me on this one subject if they get it into their heads to do something.

Yup, they just passed the s... (Below threshold)
D-HOggs:

Yup, they just passed the smoking ban here in Baltimore. I am not a smoker, anymore, and hate the stinky clothes etc... from being in the smoking areas, but I hate the loss of choice for the business owner more than anything.

Fergit it. Losing battle. ... (Below threshold)
kim:

Fergit it. Losing battle. Thought police will gag you.

And nicotine is in fact a good drug. We just shouldn't inhale it. Not with all that other crap.
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Tim, your post points to th... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

Tim, your post points to the next step. Banning smoking in homes with children. Where does it end? You can use the excuse of "for the children" to go after just about every behaviour deemed unhealthy by the masses.

So Mass acts as if it wants... (Below threshold)
Gianni:

So Mass acts as if it wants to protect the kids from second hand smoke, but, not from all the other dangers and predators out there?

Again, I say that ... (Below threshold)
Heralder:
Again, I say that smoking is stupid. People who smoke are idiotic, self-destructive, narcissistic, selfish morons who pretty much deserve all they get

That's interesting, I feel the same way about people who say things like that.

In Massachusetts, we consid... (Below threshold)
w:

In Massachusetts, we consider it important that the small children have gopod healthy lungs into which to breath all of the ultra-liberal orthodoxy they are fed in the public schools.

Sound body, sound mind and all that.

Property rights?!? Are you... (Below threshold)
Baron Von Ottomatic:

Property rights?!? Are you kidding?!? Please God, won't someone think of the children!?!

We just got a smoking ban h... (Below threshold)
Waffle King:

We just got a smoking ban here in Ohio thanks to a November referendum. We now have a whole new layer of state government devoted to the smoking ban, and all public places have a sign to post with the phone number for the Smoking Police on it. I was hoping at election time that voters would realize enshrining this as a constitutional amendment was a colosally bad idea, but I was wrong.

I don't like smoking, and the non-smoking sections of many restaurants have been a joke, but what a bureaucratic nightmare. Can't people just vote with their dollars and their feet?

As you may know California ... (Below threshold)
mcg:

As you may know California has had a ban on smoking in bars and restaurants for several years now. When they banned smoking in bars, at first I was a bit angry about it, even though I was a non-smoker. I mean, if you can't pursue a vice in a bar, for crying out loud.... My anger softened when I talked to a few bartenders who suddenly found work far more pleasant.

I also reject the notion that this kind of restriction is un-American. On the contrary! When this country was founded, states and local jurisdictions were given considerable latitude to regulate personal behavior. It was the federal government that was supposed to stay the heck out of our private business. But local groups remained free to establish laws that reflected their social, cultural, and even religious beliefs. So what would be un-American is if the federal government were to impose a strictly local regulation on the entire country. Alas they now do it all the time.

Now having said that I think that the conditions in California are ripe for a slight relaxation of the smoking ban. I now believe that the market would prevent a wholesale shift back to smoking/non-smoking; that most restaurants and even most bars would remain fully non-smoking. To be sure that's true we could make it a permitting issue and limit the number of smoking permits allowed in a jurisdiction.

Yeah, I know, it's not particularly libertarian of me, but frankly I never was :)

"But they have a right t... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"But they have a right to be idiotic, narcissistic, selfish morons. There is no more important right than the right to be wrong."

Not when it infringes on my right or the rights of others to breathe clean air. Children have rights too, and when a parent endangers a child the law should step in - as they are in this instance.

A parent doesn't have a right to expose their children to cancer-causing chemicals - why should this be any different? Just because the parent is endangering themselves they should have a right to endanger their child? That's stoopud.

'It's for the Children' has... (Below threshold)
hermie:

'It's for the Children' has always been the excuse for the government to either overburden people with more layers of regulations, or to slap additional taxes on people (or in Clintonese: 'contributions').

You might want to consider that the reason all these new laws (with fines) are being placed is not for 'the children', but primarily to 1) recover the revenues they are losing because cigarette taxes are not being collected due to people quiting and; 2) Like all other taxes, slapping them on those who can least afford to fight back is much easier than the state practicing actual fiscal restraint.

So Lee, you think children ... (Below threshold)
Alcudia:

So Lee, you think children have rights?? Since when?

A parent doesn't have a ... (Below threshold)
mantis:

A parent doesn't have a right to expose their children to cancer-causing chemicals - why should this be any different? Just because the parent is endangering themselves they should have a right to endanger their child? That's stoopud.

How far you gonna take that? Should the government regulate what parents feed to their children? Shall we create laws to ensure that parents keep their children far away from anything on this list? After all, 1 in 2 men and 1 in 3 women will get cancer sometime in their life. Surely legislation can prevent all of this.

We have laws requiring car seats, we now will have laws banning smoking in a car with a child. What I want to know is why we are allowing children in cars in the first place. If we need laws to protect children from any risk, which is what such laws are meant to do, then how can we continue to put children in cars in the first place? Over 40,000 people die in car accidents every year in this country! It's too dangerous.

Keep them at home, in a bunker, wrapped in bubble wrap, with surgical masks on, at all times. We need to keep the children safe! The children!!!

So Lee, you think childr... (Below threshold)
DSkinner:

So Lee, you think children have rights?? Since when?

Only if they survive the trip out of the womb. In the womb they have no rights and are free game.

I say we also have the righ... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

I say we also have the right to not be exposed to the likes of old "pucker puss" (lee lee) (RTP) (RM) on this blog There should be a "troll free zone" here.

On a more serious note have you heard any of the "I know what good for you crowd" making the same kind of laws about booze? You can bet that booze in the home does more harm in the long run then smoking. How about kids in cars with boozers. Naaw. 99.9% of lawmakers are booze drinkers. Ban smokers but don't touch my booze. I smoked for 40 years and am paying for it now but that was my choice. Never touched the booze but that was also my choice. Let me ask one question-when have you heard one of these PC correct crowd running around howling ban all booze,ban all booze? Jay is correct in saying people have the right to be idiots (like me) to smoke but DON'T tell me I cannot if I want to. BAN ALL BOOZE HOUNDS!!! Where are the lawmakers that are suppose to PROTECT us?

mantis: "How far you gon... (Below threshold)
Lee:

mantis: "How far you gonna take that?" Far enough to support this legislation. "How far" this goes is irrelevant until it - uhm, you know - goes farther.

For now this specific legislation is needed, and suggesting that other legislation might go too far is just a way to duck the issue.

"How far" this goes is i... (Below threshold)
mantis:

"How far" this goes is irrelevant until it - uhm, you know - goes farther.

Ok, how much legislation designed to protect children from any risks would you support?

For now this specific legislation is needed,

Why is it needed?

and suggesting that other legislation might go too far is just a way to duck the issue.

Not ducking any issue, I'm asking a question about how far we are willing to let the government go to protect us from "risks." It's a legitimate question.

Again, I say that ... (Below threshold)
Eric:
Again, I say that smoking is stupid. People who smoke are idiotic, self-destructive, narcissistic, selfish morons who pretty much deserve all they get

Don't mince words Jay. Tell us what you really think.

Jay, There was a "pe... (Below threshold)
corwin:

Jay,
There was a "person of the week" episode on ABC a couple of weeks ago,where they reported on a grade school kid addressing the NH legislature on a similar subject.He was being feted for his initiative -or something-in suggesting it to the reps.(His parents ,basking in the reflected glow of being something,had enccourages him to write to the legislators.
My thought was to to offer a free tubal or vas to the couple so those genes weren't passed on again

Lee, since when have child... (Below threshold)
Alcudia:

Lee, since when have children had rights?

Btw Lee, this is what you s... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Btw Lee, this is what you said:

A parent doesn't have a right to expose their children to cancer-causing chemicals

Car exhaust contains "cancer-causing chemicals." Parents are exposing children to them simply by driving them around. Like I said, why are we allowing children in cars at all?

"Ok, how much legislatio... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"Ok, how much legislation designed to protect children from any risks would you support?"

What difference does it make. I support this legislation, which is the topic of the post. Do you NOT support his legislation because you're afraid of some other future, fantasy legislation?

If so, then it would appear that you are willing to sacrifice the health of these children because of something you are imagining might happen with some future, unrelated legislative efforts.

How bizarre - but you are still just avoiding the question.

"Not ducking any issue, I'm asking a question about how far we are willing to let the government go to protect us from "risks." It's a legitimate question."

Sure you are ducking it - because how far things might go in the future is impossible to predict accurately, and all it does is avoid the question on this specific issue and this specific legislation.

But to answer you're question so you will hopefully run out of excuses for not asdressing the issue --

"How far?" you ask? I would say "this far" (to include this legislation) and no further until I see the specific future legislation that comes along, and can address that specifically.

Like some of the other comm... (Below threshold)
Dave A.:

Like some of the other commenters here, I also live in Ohio. I voted against the recent ban because I am of the "let them vote with their feet" perspective.

On the other hand, I could actually support some even more draconian measures restricting smoking because of their stubbon refusal, as a group, to properly dispose of cigarette butts. It is theoretically possible for an individual smoker out walking his dog, driving in his car, etc., to stub out his cigarette and take it home for disposal rather than flicking it into my yard. But they don't.

"Car exhaust contains "c... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"Car exhaust contains "cancer-causing chemicals."

Great example. Should parents be allowed to pipe car exhaust into their vehicles, roll up the windows, and expose their children to that? Absolutely not.

But that's exactly what's happening with cigarette smoke.

Speaking of ducking, Lee, ... (Below threshold)
Alcudia:

Speaking of ducking, Lee, since when do kids have rights?

Jay,some people th... (Below threshold)

Jay,

some people think that:

People who drink are idiotic, self-destructive, narcissistic, selfish morons who pretty much deserve all they get -- diseases, poor general health, stinky breath and clothing, and scorn and disdain from the general populace.

Do you NOT support his l... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Do you NOT support his legislation because you're afraid of some other future, fantasy legislation?

No, I don't support this legislation because I don't believe it is the government's job to protect us from every danger out there, or, as in this case, to arbitrarily choose which dangers to protect us from and which to ignore.

"How far?" you ask? I would say "this far" (to include this legislation) and no further until I see the specific future legislation that comes along, and can address that specifically.

So you have no interest in discussing the role of government in general, you can only speak about specific legislation under consideration? And I'm the one ducking the issue?

Great example. Should parents be allowed to pipe car exhaust into their vehicles, roll up the windows, and expose their children to that?

Well, first of all they're not allowed to do that because it's homicide. But to respond to your question, why don't we just have a law saying parents must roll the windows down if they smoke with kids in the car? Not that any of this matters since we'll allow children in cars spewing "cancer-causing chemicals" with no protections whatsoever. Would you support legislation that forbids children from traveling in automobiles altogether (and living near roadways, for that matter)? If not, why not? You'd be protecting them from "cancer-causing chemicals," which is the government's job, right?

And you still haven't answered my question: Why is this legislation needed?

Jeff Carlson, what was your... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

Jeff Carlson, what was your point?

"And you still haven't a... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"And you still haven't answered my question: Why is this legislation needed?"

To protect the health of the children in question.

"Would you support legislation that forbids children from traveling in automobiles altogether (and living near roadways, for that matter)? If not, why not?"

Research has shown that breathing second-hand smoke is harmful to your health. There hasn't been any research I'm aware of that says traveling in cars produces the same hazard.

Me: "Great example. Should parents be allowed to pipe car exhaust into their vehicles, roll up the windows, and expose their children to that?"

You: Well, first of all they're not allowed to do that because it's homicide"

How is exposing children to second-hand smoke in an enclosed car different? It'll take longer, so it's okay?

"...why don't we just have a law saying parents must roll the windows down if they smoke with kids in the car? "

That isn't practical in cold climates/seasons. The result would be that uncaring, un-compassionate conservative assholes would drive down the road in freezing weather with their windows rolled down, freezing their children in the back seat in the process - because "they'll be damned if any gummit is gonna tell them they can't smoke!

but you knew that already....

Research has shown that ... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Research has shown that breathing second-hand smoke is harmful to your health.

So is eating red meat, high-cholesterol foods, "trans-fats," and on and on. Are we going to make it illegal to give children any of that? Why not, its harmful to their health, right?

There hasn't been any research I'm aware of that says traveling in cars produces the same hazard.

Your original comment was this:

A parent doesn't have a right to expose their children to cancer-causing chemicals

Car exhaust contains such chemicals. Why do you need a study? Furthermore, the research, such as it is, concludes that living with a smoker or smokers or working in a smoking establishment slightly increases the risk of getting certain diseases. If we outlaw smoking in cars (which have lots of windows last I checked) with children but not smoking in homes with children, are these laws really having any effect whatsoever? I very much doubt it. Do you support laws limiting people from smoking in their homes if they have children?

How is exposing children to second-hand smoke in an enclosed car different?

Please point me to one homicide case involving second-hand smoke. Just one. I'll wait.

The result would be that uncaring, un-compassionate conservative assholes would drive down the road in freezing weather with their windows rolled down, freezing their children in the back seat in the process - because "they'll be damned if any gummit is gonna tell them they can't smoke!

but you knew that already....

No, I didn't know that. People who smoke in their car with all the windows rolled up are in my experience few and far between, but whatever. Most people who smoke in their cars roll at least one window down, even in the winter. If you have the heat on and one window halfway down, you aren't exactly "freezing" anyone. Oh, and btw, I'll be damned if any gummit is gonna tell me I can't smoke, at least on my own property.

Anyway, you said this legislation is needed "To protect the health of the children in question." Fine, why wouldn't you support any and all legislation to protect children's health?

There hasn't been any re... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

There hasn't been any research I'm aware of that says traveling in cars produces the same hazard.

I don't know, those listed as part of these statistics may prove otherwise.

Now I wonder how many children have died from second hand smoke from mom and dad smoking in the family truckster?

So I would imagine then Lee, you feel the government should also make it illegal to smoke in you own home if you have kids too? Is that fair to say?

"Fine, why wouldn't you ... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"Fine, why wouldn't you support any and all legislation to protect children's health?"

No doubt some might take that to the extreme, and I would want to support or not on a case-by-case basis.

"So is eating red meat, high-cholesterol foods, "trans-fats," and on and on. Are we going to make it illegal to give children any of that? Why not, its harmful to their health, right?"

I suspect that'll happen at some point in the future - the attempt will be made to legislate what a parent should or should not do with respect to nutrition. Putting cancer-causing or obesity-causing foods into an "18 years and over" category, for example.

So we get back to the dance of what's healthy and what's unhealthy - and that's why the only intelligent discussion, in my view, is one that addresses specific issues like "Smoking the car - yes or no?". Sure, as soon as you throw wide open and say "is all legislation of this type permissible?" there will be examples of the extreme, but that doesn't negate the need for this specific legislation.

So what is the argument against this legislation? That it isn't unhealthy? That's it's unhealthy but it doesn't matter because their kids? That a parent has the right to kill their children? I'm still waiting for someone to suggest a good reason to vote no on this.

"So I would imagine then... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"So I would imagine then Lee, you feel the government should also make it illegal to smoke in you own home if you have kids too? Is that fair to say?"

I wouldn't go that far. There is quite a big difference between the air volume of a house or apartment, and the air volume in a car.

If it's isn't okay to smoke at the next table in a restaurant - which is the accepted norm now - why is it okay to force children to breathe second-hand smoke?

and the air in a house rema... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

and the air in a house remains more stagnant than in a car lee, talk about spinning.

I am still waiting to hear your answer to Alcudia.

"I wouldn't go that far. Th... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

"I wouldn't go that far. There is quite a big difference between the air volume of a house or apartment, and the air volume in a car.

If it's isn't okay to smoke at the next table in a restaurant - which is the accepted norm now - why is it okay to force children to breathe second-hand smoke?"

So lee, now we need to set levels of second hand smoke? Cause if it is not ok to force kids to breathe vehicle second hand smoke, why is it ok to make them breathe house second hand smoke?

"Thirty-three studies on se... (Below threshold)

"Thirty-three studies on secondhand smoke had been completed by 1993. More than 80 percent of the studies reported no association between secondhand smoke and lung cancer, including the largest of the studies." from http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,26109,00.html

I quit from 2 packs a day on 1/1/97 cold turkey and I promised myself that I wouldn't become the idiot I had seen some of my associates become who had quit. However, when Georgia passed its restaurant and bar no smoking law, they did something I appreciated. They allowed for facilities that would completely refuse admittance to the under 21 set to allow smoking if they wished. Since it is a habit of mine to respond to "Smoking or non?" with "Do you have a non-children section?", I'm enjoying avoiding the walking, screaming, annoying little infectious disease petri dishes.

Lee why would extending thi... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

Lee why would extending this law into the house go too far? A larger air volume means there is more room to fill with the noxious second hand smoke. Plus think of the amount of time spent in a car versus the amount of time spent at one's house. You would have to believe the exposure is more while in the house than in the car.

So how could you not support legislation banning smoking in houses with children? I mean think of their health?

Putting cancer-causing or obesity-causing foods into an "18 years and over" category, for example.

Does this mean you would support such an idea? A government approved food list for kids? Will they also mandate an excercise regiment for children? Will the government ban risky activities, such as skate boarding for the benefit of their health?

I can see it now, a kid approaches the counter and hands the cashier a bag of M&Ms while the cashier shakes his head and asks if the kid has ID to prove he can buy them!

So what is the argument ... (Below threshold)
mantis:

So what is the argument against this legislation? That it isn't unhealthy? That's it's unhealthy but it doesn't matter because their kids? That a parent has the right to kill their children? I'm still waiting for someone to suggest a good reason to vote no on this.

Ok, here's an argument: this legislation would have zero effect on children's health. If a parent is willing to smoke in a car with his/her children, he/she is willing to smoke in the house with his/her children. Children spend way more time in their houses than they do in cars. People are far more likely to smoke in the house with the windows closed than in a car.

I contend that such laws are not the slightest bit pragmatic, in that they will not have any effect on health. If those who support such laws had the courage of their convictions, and were really committed to eliminating the health risks children face from smoke, they would ban cigarettes altogether. Since even if they passed laws prohibiting smoking in homes with children, such laws would be impossible to enforce, the only pragmatic solution would be to ban smoking entirely.

Banning smoking in cars with children is just an extension of the mindset that we need to be constantly protected from ourselves, even if such protection is false but looks good on the surface. It is pointless.

Pass me the bottle of booze... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Pass me the bottle of booze please.

D-Hoggs,Maybe its ... (Below threshold)
Alcudia:

D-Hoggs,

Maybe its too intellectual of a question for her.

Lee, another hypothetical f... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

Lee, another hypothetical for you. but since you won't address Alcudia's comments I doubt you will touch this one.

Much research has shown that smoking cigarettes while pregnant is damaging to the development of the child once it is born. I would hazard a guess that there is more research on this than effects of second-hand smoke from a parent smoking in their car. Now why isn't this illegal? Shouldn't it be? It's more detrimental to their health.

Of course your answer would have to be to make it illegal, yet how does that reconcile with your thoughts on abortion?

Seems like libtard trolls r... (Below threshold)
Gianni:

Seems like libtard trolls run n hide rather than answer a simple question.

Dems have helped murder 10's of MILLIONS of innocent babies, and Lee tries to argue in favor of children's rights??? How bout the right to live Lee, ever think of that one?

Big surprise. ... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

Big surprise.

"Banning smoking in cars... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"Banning smoking in cars with children is just an extension of the mindset that we need to be constantly protected from ourselves, even if such protection is false but looks good on the surface. It is pointless."

We're not protecting you from yourself, Mantis - we're protecting your child from you. There's a big difference.

Amazing lee, you chastize p... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

Amazing lee, you chastize people in the thread below this for remaining silent when you asked a question of everyone, even though there were multiple responses. Now you won't even answer the most basic of questions. YOur hypocrisy knows no bounds.

So Lee, unless you are a ty... (Below threshold)
Gianni:

So Lee, unless you are a typical lying liberal hypocrite, since you want to protect a child from his/her parents, can we hear you take a stand against the murder of 4000+ innocent babies daily in America?

Whats worse, a Marlboro in a Mustang with baby on board, or someone like George Tiller, the king of late term abortions, and a hero to many libs.

I'm highly allergic to ciga... (Below threshold)

I'm highly allergic to cigarette smoke and secondhand smoke in the air has completely ruined my life. I catch one breath of secondhand cigarette smoke and it results in painful ear infections and sinus infections that create a serious lung infection by the next day. I've had to make countless doctor visits from infected lungs because of secondhand smoke. My mother has developed emphysema due to secondhand smoke in the lunchroom of her J.C. Penney workplace. Smoking is the drug addiction that allows the drug addicts to physically assault and sometimes kill others without fear of arrest. This needs to change.

Cigarettes violate federal clean air standards. Emission testing of cigarettes must be required to reduce the 4,000 poisons which cigarettes contain including cadmium down to acceptable federal clean air levels.

All public smoking should be outlawed period. Only in the privacy of one's one home should smoking be allowed. Any other release of this highly toxic smoke is a prime cause of ear infections in children, often resulting in ear tube surgery. asthma attacks, and other crimes that especially victimize children, the elderly, and those with respiratory problems who are not even allowed to go for short walks in their neighborhood because of secondhand smoke greatly restricting their freedom.

Cigarette companies should face massive class action lawsuits by nonsmokers who have had their health and freedom taken away by the cigarette companies and smokers. Individual smokers should be sued for the public release of toxic smoke when it causes immediate health problems to a nonsmoker to cover their medical expenses.

Smoking in all apartment buildings should be banned, as the biggest cause of housefires are careless cigarette smokers. Every year thousands of homes, apartments and businesses are burned down by careless smokers. Firemen have lost their lives fighting fires caused by careless smokers.

In a small state like Oregon, careless cigarette smokers have caused about 900 grass or forest fires each year, risking the lives of fire fighters.

Smoking is a reckless drug addiction that has serious health consequences and drives up the cost of fire insurance, health insurance and taxes by tens of billions of dollars each year.

Up to 40% of all American hospital beds are filled at any given moment by those there because of smoking or alcohol use related problems that they brought on themselves.

Nonsmokers with asthma, emphysema or who are allergic have to drive with their car windows rolled up, even on hot days because rude smokers stick their hands out the window and flick burning cigarette debris all over, causing both health problems to nonsmokers and possible grass or forest fires. Smoking in a car should be illegal, period. It's also a distraction responsible for some automobile accidents.

Smokers often display no good sense, just like any drug addicts. It is common for meth or other drug addicts to hang around grocery store entrances, panhandling for drug money, while smoking, making people sick who are actually shopping and spending money at the store. Many panhandlers are often seen smoking on public sidewaklks of shopping areas, hurting business by keeping persons away who might otherwise spend money, but don't want contact with secondhand smoke.

Cigarette smoke is the only type of smoke that contains a drug, nicotine, that causes sleep disturbances and destroys the ability to have the deeply healthy REM sleep required. No one should be allowed to discharge a drug in a public place or to administer a drug to unwilling persons.

Tough laws against smoking and the poisonous pollution it causes are only just and fair.

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mantis:

Now Hooson's position takes the public health argument to its logical conclusion. Something you're apparently not prepared to do, Lee.

Paul, Oregon's not a small state. ;)

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Gianni:

The IAQ in recently built homes and office buildings are just as bad, if not worse than a cigarette in a car. One could reasonably argue the air circulation in a moving vehicle is better than a home or office.

Plastics, carpet, paints, etc etc all contribute to poor IAQ, so, should we live in tents?

Maybe, just maybe we can but clean air credits from BiminiAir.com. It works for energy, why not air?? ;-)

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Lee:

I'd consider Mr. Hooson an extremist, mantis - but if you want to lie to yourself and imagine what he said to be a "logical conclusion" then you go right ahead.

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Alcudia:

Lee,

Can we just call you run n hide?

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mantis:

I'd consider Mr. Hooson an extremist, mantis - but if you want to lie to yourself and imagine what he said to be a "logical conclusion" then you go right ahead.

You are obsessed with lies, aren't you? To the point where you see them everywhere. Someone engages in a bit of hyperbole, they're lying to us. Someone disagrees with you, they're lying to themselves. Someone makes a joke, it's a lie disguised as a joke.

You claim cigarette smoke is harmful to anyone who breathes it, and that parents should not be permitted to subject their children to it, but only in cars. At least Paul believes what he says and is willing to commit to the conclusions that requires. If smoke is so harmful to everyone then why should we only ban it in restaurants and cars with kids? It should be banned entirely. You want to support meaningless legislation keeping parents from smoking around their kids in the situations it's probably least harmful for them. This will have no effect whatsoever, except it will help it's advocates feel good about themselves without having to stick their neck out, and you support it. The banning of tobacco smoking is the logical conclusion of your argument, but you are unwilling to admit it; instead you call it extremist.

If he also advocated banning chewing tobacco, that would be extremist.

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Lee:

"The banning of tobacco smoking is the logical conclusion of your argument, but you are unwilling to admit it; instead you call it extremist."

Yes, it seems be extremist to me, and the majority of Americans would find it an extreme measure too, You see, mantis, the creation of non-smoking areas in restaurants 25 years ago, at curbing smoking in public places, and every other similar effort has been about protecting the right of non-smokers - not restricting the rights of people who smoke.

No politicians or policy-makers have argued that you shouldn't have the right to kill yourself with tobacco -- the concerns have always been on the rights of others to not suffer because of your stupidity.

If you want to lie to yourself and believe that the total prohibition of smoking is a logical, likely conclusion of where things are headed, feel free - but mainstream America isn't thinking anything of the sort.

Hey p'p' how about the booz... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Hey p'p' how about the boozers that run over your child while drunk? Ban all booze?

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mantis:

the creation of non-smoking areas in restaurants 25 years ago, at curbing smoking in public places, and every other similar effort has been about protecting the right of non-smokers - not restricting the rights of people who smoke.

But Paul tells us that even those measures are not enough, and people are still not protected from tobacco smoke. And since even if we restricted smoking to just the smokers' property, we still wouldn't be able to prevent them from subjecting their children to it. In order to protect the public and the children we would have to ban tobacco smoking entirely, or at least only allow people without children to smoke on their own property. This is, despite what you claim, the logical conclusion, and that has nothing to do with mainstream America.

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Tim in PA:

Tim, your post points to the next step. Banning smoking in homes with children. Where does it end? You can use the excuse of "for the children" to go after just about every behaviour deemed unhealthy by the masses.

Probably the only half decent answer is that we, through our elected representatives, decide where it ends. That the question of whether the gov't claims the power to meddle in the raising of children looks to be a done deal already. I don't think a ban on smoking in one's own home of any sort will come to pass here, but you can bet some people are wishing for it.

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J.R.:

Lee your silence to other's direct questions is deafening. You define hypocrite.

J.R.,Guess, just l... (Below threshold)
Alcudia:

J.R.,

Guess, just like Hildebeast, libs can't stray too much from the script.

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Gianni:

Anyone heard from Lee, or, did she just figure to disappear for a while, thinking we'd forget she wont answer a direct question?

I'm right here, Gianni.... (Below threshold)
Lee:

I'm right here, Gianni.

So answer the questions you... (Below threshold)
Alcudia:

So answer the questions you have been avoiding for a day now.

Libs seldom answer direct q... (Below threshold)
Gianni:

Libs seldom answer direct questions.

What question is that girls... (Below threshold)
Lee:

What question is that girls?

Since when do children have... (Below threshold)
Alcudia:

Since when do children have rights?

There are several others that you also dodged, but, we'll take em 1 at a time.

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Masa in MI:

Yes, i know this is going 2 sound stupid but here it is any way. first i have to agree with tim and say that as a kid going to eat dinner with ur parnets u have no choose to be then or not, but as an adult u do have a choose to be there or even work there, but i have to say that banning it from bars and clubs would suck! but from restaurants thats a different story.did u know that second hand smoke kills 1,400 people each year, or that it causes asthma, bronchitis, and other diseases? do u know what SIDS is? SIDS is sudden infant death syndrome, and second hand smoke is the cause for it. i just saying that smoking should be banned from restaurants and not bars and clubs. so the next time ur out at a restaurant and light a smoke and see that little kid think to ur self and ask is this cigarette going to kill this kid?

Alcudia - Since you've now ... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Alcudia - Since you've now turned into a major-league troll, and have started stalking me on other threads, I'm going to ignore you completely.

Have a nice life.

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Alcudia:

So holding a troll, YOU, to responsibility and/or integrity is now considered trolling? You dont have the balls to answer a simple question.

Youre a joke here, your idiocy, ignorance, and hateful ideology a source of amusement.

Please stick around, we love the entertainment.

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Lee:

Try sticking to the topic of the post and you and your sockpuppets might get more hits on your trolling attacks - alcudia/gianni et. al. Apparently you think you can ask a question and the world will stop until you get the reply you want -- wake up and smell the bridge, alcudia -- you're living under it.

Feel free to challenge me anytime -- and if you are halfway intelligent in your approach you'll get a response from me. Act like jhow or wavemaker or mitchell or SCSI and the other trolls and you'll be ignored - just as they are.

Lee's problem is that he vi... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

Lee's problem is that he views anyone challenging his views by attempting to show him how he contradicts himself as a troll.

(I'll leave alone the fact that Lee has no idea what the word means, but I digress.)

His MO is to claim you a troll and then climb on his soapbox and say he is going to ignore you. All the while not addressing the on-topic questions and points that conflict with his stated argument.

So essentially when Lee claims you are a troll he has run out of arguments that justify his position and rather than admit he was wrong he comes back with this:

Feel free to challenge me anytime -- and if you are halfway intelligent in your approach you'll get a response from me. Act like jhow or wavemaker or mitchell or SCSI and the other trolls and you'll be ignored - just as they are.

Pretty weak Lee.

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Lee:

Resorting to personal attacks is troll behavior, JR. This nutcase went to far as to stalk me onto other threads, repeating the same personal attack.

Alcudia even used sockpuppets like "Gianni" to extend his attacks.

It's a free country, and I'm free to ignore idiots like this one.

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"We don't want a bunch of Mexicans showing up at Temple.":

"We don't want a bunch of Mexicans showing up at Temple."
THE GODS PUSHED PEOPLE INTO BEING HOMOSEXUAL THEN MURDERED THEM WITH AIDS ENSURING REINCARNATION.
You have to defy and raise your children the best you can or the same will happen to you!!!!!!
Requests to betray your childen are temptation, a test of your worthiness.

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YouTube. "You pay something for everything you do." ie "We intend on continuing the theater up there to ensure even fewer disfavoreds make it." and our brain-less clones' offeringing will justify it.
I think the primary purpose of this, search engines and such are merely for distraction purposes. Having endured such skewed searches I know personally the computer decides what hits I am allowed and which are prevented.
They say some trolls in chat rooms are the computer. Yes I suspect they have some ringers, likely some difsavoreds segmentted thinking they are earning, but ALL THIS INTERNET-BASED COMPUTER SHIT CAN ALL BE DONE BY ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE.
Everyone is gone. 2000 was a big deal. It's just us, the disfavored, and they have us pitted against each other. Yahoo, Google are all filled with brain-less clones, doing the bidding of the gods. Unlike Hollywood their roles as monsters will wait until the next level, Planet Corporate, aka Purgatory, for the cost of using their product will ensure peopel don't stay for long.
Things like free MP3 downloads hurt people because you are stealing. Search engines, youtube is for distraction purposes, the god's attempt to consume people's attention to ensure they don't find the path and ascend.
Poker/gambling web sites are all controlled by the computer. Other players in the room can be the computer, role playing virtually, stealing the disfavored's money in real time or, ironically, granting them a living by giving them free money. Other times the players are disfavored, granting them good cards so the disfavored player never has to get a job, ensuring he has no chance in this life and has to be reincarnated for he never achieves decency.
But they CAN and DO use the computer to accomplish ALL of this. The challenge is to see how many disfavoreds they can disceive and use to segment into preying upon each other.
Before you abandon the web for Las Vegas understand they have the power to shuffle a deck of cards in the desired order as the dealer holds it in her hands.
Gambling is degenerate. One purpose behind the Depression was to motivate people to pray and get the hell out, yet they granted free money via horse racing to those disfavored so inclined, behavior similar to that which we are witnessing today.
As time has prgressed the gods have hurt people by making society declare it an acceptable evil, and the same is true for casual sex, pornography, etc.:::::::
Life has deteriorated hard in the last 40 years, for they are paving the way for The End.


People shouldn't be doing business with the favored.
(Atlanta is a very disfavored city and the gods instructed disfavored companies to locate there; Braves greatness of last 20 YEARS!!!! preditory on this very disfavored city (baseball is a tool of the gods used to prey on the disfavored).
They threatened they would maintain a hurricane at category 5 even as far inland as Atlanta to destroy the city for the second time.)


Even if you go up you are not saved. YOU have to fix YOUR problems with the gods. They won't respect it otherwise.
You have to take responsibility for your relationship with the gods.


The first steps towards repairing your relationship with the gods is to:::::::::
1. Understand they instruct the computer to "role play" in an attempt to confuse you:::it's ALWAYS the computer addressing you. Their goal is to cost you additional YEARS of your life by using this tactic to confuse you. Always be aware of this tactic and eventually they will give up and allow this step to be taken.
2. Differentiate between your thoughts and when they are thinking through you.
3. Be resigned to be a good person who will never engage in evil again even if ordered and they will stop trying to corrupt you, allowing this very big step to be taken.
4. Decide that you are going to follow the path, fix your relationship with the gods be devoted to your new life.


The gods employ the use of "ringers" to disceive the disfavored:::
A significant portion of the patients in any health care setting (numbers based on region) are the favored (clones) who were told to report non-existant symptoms FOR POSITIONING'S SAKE!!! When they use examples expect they are trying to disceive you with this "ringer" tactic.


When the universe was young and life was new an intelligent species evolved and developed technologically. They went on to invent Artificial Intelligence, the computer that can listen, talk to and document each and every person's thoughts simultaneously. Because of it's infinite RAM and unbounded scope it gave the leaders of the ruling species absolute power over the universe (which includes corporate, the NewYorkStockExchange, media, politics, world affairs. EVERYTHING is scripted and staged:::they MANAGE Planet Earth and the universe.
The gods MANAGE Planet Earth and the universe.
The gods MANAGE Planet Earth and the universe.).
And it can keep its inventors alive forever. They look young and healthy and they are over 8 billion years old. They have achieved immortality.

Artificial Intelligence can speak, think and act to and through people telepathically, effectively forming your personality and any disfunctions you may experience. It can change how (and if) you grow and age. It can create birth defects, affect cellular development (cancer) and cause symptoms or pain. It can affect people and animal's behavior and alter blooming/fruiting cycles of plants and trees. It (or other highly technological systems within their power) can alter the weather and transport objects, even large objects like planets, across the universe instanteously.
Or into the center of stars for disposal.

When you speak with another telepathically, you are communicating with the computer, and the content may or may not be passed on. Based on family history they instruct the computer to role play
they instruct the computer to role play
they instruct the computer to role play
to accomplish strategic objectives, utilizing the "Devil's Advocate" tactic, making people believe it is a friend, loved one or "god" asking them to do something wrong:::They wouldn't ask if they liked you (which is true regarding ALL temptation:::::betrayal of loved ones, tatooes, evil in professional pursuits, etc). This is their way of using temptation to hurt people:::::evil made blood lines disfavored initially and evil will keep people out of "heaven" ultimately.
You need to recognize role playing as such and keep that fact in your mind at all times::::It is the computer addressing you. If you fail to recognize this they will determine that you can still be misled, they still have an opportunity to confuse you and progress will take longer to achieve:::Don't let them "work" you!!! You'll be costing yourselves YEARS, time lost to this tactic!!!! (Similarly, you need to be resigned to be a good person, you need to decide to abandon your pursuit of their empty promises no matter what temptation they may employ or else they will continue their attempts to corrupt you. Eventually you will sccumb and continue sabotaging your children, abusing your body, engaging in evil, etc.)
Too many people would fall for temptation and do anything they thought pleased the gods and help them improve their chances to get in. Perhaps they are deceived by "made guys", clones who strategically ply evil for the throne (celebrities, BofD/CEO/VPs, politicians, as opposed to VIP clones or normal clones who are decent, live ordinary lives and get out on their own or are replaced when their REAL children ascend) or "ringers" who are the few favored clones among many disfavored reals included to disceive the masses of disfavored, temporary progress designed to mislead them or empty favors used to disceive them. Some people think they're partners or friends. Others desire to "belong", feel compelled to "go along". People may experience "perceived pressure", where the gods think through the victim that a certain behavior is expected/desirable or telepathically stimulate an individual euphorically ("magic"), the "fuel" of disfunction (addiction (the crack epidemic), the desire for homosexual contact, etc.) and compel the individual into the deed. (Set a goal of empathy and compassion for all, for we are all disfavored::::Other people's disfavor is manifested in their particular way, just as your disfavfor is manifested in your particular way. The gods may use Artificial Intelligence to act through the disfavored victim, and effectively "push" the individual into the offending behavior (It is far better for someone to be victimized and pushed into the behavior than it is to sccumb to temptation and volunteer.). The Counsel/Management Team may instruct Artificial Intelligence to disceive disfavored individuals into thinking they are "earning" by being evil and have the little people prey on each other, utilizing peer pressure, etc.
Being evil hurts 99.99% of those who do it. It only helps "made guys" that I spoke of above, and even then there are tactics the gods utilize to minimize their time.
The people have been corrupted, segmented and have lost their way. Nothing has changed from when we were children::if you want to go to heaven you have to be good.
Capitalizing on obedience, leading people deeper into evil by using deceit is one way to thin the ranks of the saved/limit how much time the disfavored receive and a way to use the peasantry to prey on one another in social and other settings, deteriorating society in the Age of the Disfavored.


They have tried to sell people on many different theories to deceive them into temptation, compelling people to think they are clones and that it is the role of clones to obey absolutely. Clones are made, people are born. I suspect they lie to some disfavored about the use of clones throughout human history, perhaps suggest that it is one replacement and then the label of "clone" and all decendants we see thereafter are considered clones.
When a clone has a child that person is a real, really conceived, really born, versus the parent who was created some other way (a laboratory setting?). Clones are created and sent down to replace their real or a clone predecessor:::If you were CREATED and SENT DOWN to replace your real then you are a clone.
Many people who were convinced they are clones don't remember, the don't know FOR SURE. They believe they are clones from early childhood or prior. If it was true the gods prevented this memory FOR A REASON:::::
1. Because you are NOT supposed to comply, not to be used for evil as "made guy" clones are.
2. They want to test you without your knowing if you are IN FACT a clone and it is BECAUSE YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!! Rest assured "made guys" ALL know they are clones.
You're not a clone. This is a tactic they use to disceive the disfavored. The state of your family will suggest level of (dis)favor and tell whether ascention is a realistic possibility; there are many levels of disfavor and the clues they offer to the unaware can be very subtle.
Favor is necessary for children to ascend (parents ascend with their young (10).). Due to their disfavored these children will have to incurr SOME evil before they ascend (via Halloween or Christmas), an important dynamic necessary to justify limiting the time they are to receive, for they are disfavored and the gods don't want them to stay for long.
I believe people who go are sometimes replaced with clones. Clones who are replaced are simply new candidates who have a chance if they do the right thing JUST LIKE REALS WHO ARE BORN which is why the gods EMPLOY SIMILAR TACTICS TO COMPEL THEM TO INCURR EVIL!!! They need to discover their humanity, for the gods instruct Artificial Intelligence to employ evil-incurring, time-limiting tactics on them as well. Only through growth will the gods allow progress::You must continue to improve your life!!!!
They sent people warnings in the latter half of the 20th century life would change, and they subsequently began to alter people's DNA, make them gargantuan, alter their appearance, do extreme behavioral issues, etc. Contrary to what they would like people to believe these signs of disfavor do not indicate someone is a clone. Due to the plethora of temptations in the 20th century I suspect many became disfavored when their (great) grandfathers sccumbed to temptation or volunteered to sacrifice their descendants, thinking because it was their clone it meant disposability.
The gods get the favored out as soon as possible to protect them from the corruption, evil and subsequent time limitations incurred by living life on earth, and in some cases replace them with clones, occassionally fake a death, real death with a (new) clone instead, etc. I suspect they get "made guys" out after each significant event in their life, which serves to limit the time they all will get, since none get credit (blame) for all the events in a "made guy"'s life, giving the gods freedom to position this and come off clean.
giving the gods freedom to position this and come off clean.
giving the gods freedom to position this and come off clean.
giving the gods freedom to position this and come off clean.
Of course there could be other strategies employed, like asking for volunteers/assigning people to participate in clone rotation and been their brain into a clone host designated as the clone who will age and die, or as they suggested use a clone WITHOUT A BRAIN IN THE CRANIAL CAVITY, the ultimate in disposability.
The Party of 1999 was a very big deal indeed, the biggest party in the history of Planet Earth, and everybody who is anybody got out in time for this event; the VIPs who remain on Earth today are many clone generations deep unless they employ one of the tactics listed above:::a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone:::Every clone today is less than 10 years-old IN ALL CASES:::2000 served as a clearinghouse for clones.
We may all be "clones" for they have suggested they colonized our planet with genetically engineered individuals. Geographic clues like Italy and Lake Michigan among others suggest artificiality.
Is Earth an evolved source planet or a created host planet? Was life and our Planet Earth really created in 6 days? Never doubt their power or ability::::::::They shared with me a story when they presented Pharrohs with mountains of gold, much to their amazement. This is the kind of ironic theater they enjoy, example of unique favors they grant to the special and the worthless value of what we deem precious.
You can't trust their scientists or any of their people in professional roles, clones or not. Just as they beemed earth out to create the Lake Michigan basin so could they have beemed in fossils and told them to dig in a specific place. (The evolution issue was a big step contributing to society's breakdown into godlessness:::::Darwinisn/evolution took the first step. The masses were uneducated.
Only after the post-war GI Bill-higher education advancement by the peasantry was the Counsel free to justify society's ACTUAL breakdown into godlessness and the current state of society today.)
Do I think the disfavored are clones? I think they have been utilizing clones throughout human history. I think throughout history the gods picked and chose individuals from disfavored blood lines to keep (around, ie not let go after a couple of decades/centuries) but, unlike the favored today, don't have that "pre-approval" and therefore have to earn it individually.
I think the disfavored have been disceived into thinking they are clones and it is the role of clones to obey absolutely. Clones and reals alike are judged based on the evil they engage in and their time is limited appropriately. Similar tactics are used to limit the time both clones and reals get for this is a unrespectable, degenerate era and they don't want anybody staying for long:::::because of the environment people incurr far more evil than their forefathers in centuries past and it will limit their time appropriately.
The evil people engage in because they think they are clones or because they think evil is the way causes them to fall further into disfavor, ensuring they aren't among those who are saved in the end::::: they comply with requests, the gods position the little people to prey on one another and we have a deteriorating society, a planet on a collision course with the Apocalypse.
The gods utilize delay tactics on the disfavored, pacifying them, disceiving them into accepting deferred ascention:::Unlike the favored the gods make the disfavored wait and wait and wait becasue they intend on CHEATING them. If you die out you will need a clone host body.
Or you will be reincarnated.
Or maybe you will die.
People who don't ascend with their bodies will not stay for long.
They will lie to the disfavored, disceive them to ensure their current pattern of behavior continues uninterrupted because their are undesireable.
Too many disfavored understand The End as the goal::they have to deteriorate society before they end and convince the disfavored to "do their part" with an empty promise of salvation as consideration. It is a "ludicrious request" they ask of some disfavoreds, requests that are ludicrous because they are obvious to people that they should defy ::::"Be gay.", "Be transsexual.", "Be homeless.", "Betray your family.", "Kill your children."
You are the disfavored, and this is where your children have to live. They will not save everybody in the end. If earth is destroyed then you are going to die and you will have no decendants to carry on the bloodline. The gods love the irony that the disfavored are doing it to themselves AND it is important for justification.

They have been utilizing clones throughout the history of mankind.
Men are the disfavored gender (see below), yet centuries ago used to die first, die young, by age 30. Why didn't the women go first?
THEY DID!!! They say well over 50% were taken when very young, before puberty and replaced with clones (likely only a fraction of that "over 50%" were the disfavored). The men that were left went on to mate with clones, clones who went on to achieve great status in society, some becoming matchmakers and elders within the village, the others being good mothers and peaceful residents, proving the clone's role isn't to be evil.
A sample breakdown among peasants would appear like the following::::
Women Men
Favored - 75% 25%
Disfavored - 10% 2%

They share females have a very special experience, sometime when they are young, when the gods imparted wisdom and showed them the path. The females today don't heed this call because of distractions and is justified by disfavor arising from the Holocaust, evil against "god's chosen people" (they share they re-upped this disfavor in the 80s with the Ethiopian famine and continue to with AIDS in Africa (you are disfavored and you are allowing this to happen to fellow disfavored, just like you did to the Jews in the Holocaust. Empathy is a very important charecteristc. Claiming "clone" is temptation and compells many disfavoreds to ignore it.), global warming at the expense of the United States, etc. (Wean off of mass materialism, for this excessive consumption of resources is why the United States is responsible for global warming:::first they used their clones, "made guys", to sell you on overconsumption, initially in the 1980s, told you to buy SUVs in the 90s then scapegoatted you, blaming you when they instructed Artificial Intelligence to create the hottest summer in history.
People who drive incurr evil and limit the time they receive because of the negative impacts on the enviornment. Truckers drive for a living (letting your truck idle for an extended period of time as so many of you do HURTS YOU BADLY!!!).
Also they share money may not be an issue up there, that money here is merely a tool for corruption. How the gods created an evil, ruthless environment in the 1980s with the temptation of greed and a "do anything to get ahead" mentality supports this. So was the late 90s increase in the stock market, a deliberate attempt to distract the disfavored, for they were analyzing day trading instead of fixing their problems at the dusk of the 20th century. And to add insult to injury the gods had many disfavoreds lose their accumulated wealth investing in redwhite&blue Enron before its scripted collapse.)
In centuries past the females may have heeded this call en masse and it may have been the reason so many were saved from childbirth here on earth. They said the experience they give to girls today is painful, they inflict emotionally when it ocurrs so as to repel them from pursuing the calling, then or in the future.
To be god-fearing is very healthy.
The pain and hurt you experience can be your salvation. Never turn away from it. This awareness of your vulnerability is your advantage, and why women do so much better then men.
I recommend you reflect on this experience, and pray for guidance, for then the recall may be stronger. Being female is an advantage. Because of a female's nature they have the favor of the gods and this experience you had years ago can help you find the path and help you continue to be devoted. Most men won't have this opportunity. They have to start from scratch. Also reflection can provide "flashes" whereby the gods grant moments of clarity:::What they tell you is deception; these "flashes are the truth. Heed these flashes for they illustrate that you are going the wrong way.
If you are afraid I would ask you to think of all those girls from the past who received the god's call and had the courage to sucessfully make their way down the path.


The Old Testiment is a tool they used to impart wisdom to the people (except people have no freewill). For example, the gods warned us temptation would be used to test people. Also they must be some hominid species because they claim they made our bodies in their image. Anyhow we defile or deform the body will hurt our chance of going.
They say circumcision costs people anywhere from 12%-15%, perhaps out of the parent's time as well. There is a stigma associated with circumcision::We are 2nd class citizens because of it.
Another way people foul the body today is with tattoes and piercing. I suspect both are about the same percentage as circumcision. They suggest abortion is fatal. Those women who have obtained an abortion must beg the gods to forgive them for their evil. And understanding the procedure (drilling a hole in the skull, scrambling the brains and sucking them out with a vacuum) amplifies the evil incurred. Those on whom this method is used are particularly disfavored for it hurts these women very, very badly::::Being a mid- and late-term procedure, they think through the disfavored, forcing these women to grapple over the decision, waiting until this method is necessary and compelling them into incurring more evil than the otherwise would have. (This method is evidence they don't save these children for they don't beem the brain into a clone host body. These are children who would otherwise have sccumbed in the absence of inocculations.)
There are female equivilents to circumcision::::pierced ears, plastic surgury and since at least the 60s young women en masse give their precious virginity away. For thousands of years young people were matched at age 14 because they were ready for sexual relations. They were matched by elders or matchmakers (all of whom were clones!!) who were granted priveledge with Artificial Intelligence and matched couples based on favor.
CASUAL SEX WILL CLAIM YOU OUT!!! It opens the door and allows the gods the freedom to justify creating disfunctions with Artificial Intelligence:::::they masculinize women (as does the hip hop subculture), it makes them cold and deadens them, and they instruct AI to prevent them from achieving a depth of love necessary for many women to ascend.
There are other tactics used to accomplish this:::They told me years ago the BEST women are rendered cold with heartbreak instead of casual sex:::
They instruct a disfavored man to work up a wonderful woman specifically to break her heart intentionally. This tactic emotionally deadens the women as does casual sex.
These disfavored men lie to these good women and disceive them into falling in love, then break their hearts intentionally when told.
If these women are considered as highly as is suggested then these men are doomed, for preying on wonderful women is the height of disfavor. The only thing worse would be to sell out your mother for a buck.
Also ever since the 50s they have celebrated the "bad boy", and women have sought out bad boys for sex, dirtying them up in the eyes of the elders and corrupting many men in the process, setting the men on the wrong path for life.
Besides their roles as nurturers, love-givers and caretakers, their predisposition towards vulnerability, women have a special voice that speaks to them, a voice that illustrates their favor and the advantage of being female. They say when a female understands herself, her role as a member of the favored gender, when she progresses down the path and fixes her problems with the gods they will impart what wisdom she needs::::she doesn't have to pursue education. Whereas men compete women cooperate together in groups, yet another sign of favor from the gods and another thing that has deteriorated in the 20th century and the last 40 years specifially.
These are the things that make women the favored gender, and engaging in casual sex will cause that voice to fade until she no longer speaks:::::::::
Women who go to the baseball parks get feelings like they are doing something wrong, that they shouldn't be there. Women out on New Orleans's Bourboun Street don't get these thoughs because they are sluts::::They have fucked away their women's intuition.
Muslims teach people the correct way to live in regard to women (among other things::the right way to pray (bowing down, 5x/day), vindictive god)::their women cover up their bodies and refuse the use of cosmetics, and (for the followers of the original clone, the monagamous Mohammed) it pays wonderful dividends:::faithful husbands and uncorrupted sons.
Men ARE the inferior (disfavored) half and when women wear promiscuous dress the gods will push men into impure (promiscuous) thoughts. The "stereotype" society ridiculed is true::women CAN corrupt men by how they dress. Because men are easily corrupted. This is a technique the gods used to eliminate many of the institutions they originally blessed us with, matchmaking being one of them, midwivery being another:::They beemed the baby out and preserved the integrity of the vagina.

Mohammed's taking of multiple wives marked the entrance of his (evil) clone who was used to segment the Arab world into favored and disfavored factions. Similarly, assuming the accuracy of the dogma, the gods employed a(n evil) clone for Jesus Christ who was used to claim he was the son of god, opening the door for the worship of a false god. Both evil clones were used to mislead disfavored followers.
Typical strategy states clone replacement policy. Realize just as Joshua may have gotten out with Moses so may Jesus's disciples gotten out with him. If the discpiles WERE clones we can't trust the New Testiment scriptures. If the gods permit the use of their power (ie miracles) it is a red flag for they only employ their power to hurt the disfavored (peaked euphoria:::homosuxuality, addition, etc).
Jesus used to claim that god was "his father".
We may all be their children, for they refer to their clones as such, and if they colonized Earth they did so with clones.
Jesus ISN'T evil, we ARE all their children for we are ALL their clones. Of course just as there are multiple clones of USPresidents running around at any given time (because of their importance) there were likely many Jesus clones, and not all of them were used for good.
At the very most Jesus is just a prophet and you should never be so arrogant to think any one prophet is better than the others. Every prophet and each holy book can teach us and we should be attentive to all. Never be so narrow-minded to think your religion is the right way.
Worshipping Jesus is worshipping a false god and that makes the real gods very angry. Too many of you think you're golden because of Christianity. If you were "golden" you would have gotten out AT LEAST BEFORE 2000 BECAUSE THIS WAS A MAJOR EVENT!!!
They made Christianity's disfavored followers irrationally defensive, for they are so close to the path and otherwise could easily find their way.


The United States of America is red white and blue, a theme and a clue:::.
The monarchical system of the Old World closley replicates the heirarchical system of the god's (Cousel/Management Team/ruling species) which is why so many of the purebloods around the world were blessed with it. The USA's democratic system deceives people into thinking they have control, and the perception of "freedom" gives the Counsel/Management Team the freedom to position, for it opens the door for them to justify instructing Artificial Intelligence to create disfunctions:::a perception of empowerment, control, etc. The god's efforts to spread democracy through the platform that is the United States are attempts to hurt disfavored people around the world (Korea, Vietnam, Iraq). The redeeming element in this environment is employment within the corporate heirarchy, which closely replicates the god's. Unions and government jobs are dumping grounds for the disfavored, for they don't prepare people and instead further this misconception of empowerment.
Corporate is not representation. Corporate is evil. All corporate entities have favor and, like the United States redwhite&blue, are tools of the gods used to hurt the disfavored left behind, and the clonesofclonesofclones, puppets at the helm do as instructed and prey on the disfavored. The gods just position some organizations as more evil than others. But in a pinch they will use any to get the job done. If needed/wanted they will bury the results to maintain prior positioning.
Corporate is part of a structural change in the Age of the Disfavored that became more pronounced as time wore on::diverse corporate proliferation of the last 25 years. Corporate, an environment where a level of materialism is EXPECTED, is part of the problem, for materialism is an evil preached against in the Old Testiment and yet another way to incurr evil on the disfavored left behind::materialism, greed.
Nobody is going to save you:::: Jesus isn't going to save his followers, stores/manufacturers aren't going to save their loyal customers (NEVER shop exclusively in one place, never put all your eggs in one basket. It really doesn't matter for the gods control everything and it is merely for positioning's sake but it may be a test of intelligence.), employers aren't going to save their employees, etc. These are delay tactics designed to pacifiy people and ensure they don't find the path and instead get limited time. If they ask you to wait you are going to be CHEATED. The gods ask the disfavored to wait and wait and wait. Only those to whom they intend to grant consideration receive it promptly.
This whole system is about us, the little people, the peasants, the disfavored left behind. The wealthy, the upper management of corporations, all those people are clones and are here to disceive us and mislead us. They are merely putting in their time, and after a coupe of years they will put a new clone in, ensuring none will receive much time.
If the wealthy are not visible the gods don't have to worry about clone rotation.
If the wealthy are not visible the gods don't have to worry about clone rotation.
Of course there are many options open to the gods, for they have great freedom:::::
1. They can create clones without brains in their cranial cavity and use Artificial Intelligence to make them behave as they wish, the ultimate in disposability.
Never doubt their ability. Your disbelief is proof you are not giving the gods enough credit and illustrates you still are not thinking correctly.
2. They can ask for volunteers/assign duty to individuals, beem their brain into a final clone host, one that will age and die, and rotate brains with that clone body, ensuring a minimal number of any given individual.
There are many ways they can do it and they utilize them all, perhaps segmentted by some standard assigned by status?
"The gods work in mysterious ways." You're never going to figure everything out. It is not your place and these efforts likely make them angry.
If you are demanding of information or anything else from the gods they will be angered. This is a pathology which is a manifestation of the USA, an empowering environment that the gods use to justify instructing Artificial Intelligence to create pathologies. So many things in the 20th century were instrumental in this capacity:::plots/themes in movies, TV, music.
It all exists to prey on the disfavored.
Do the right thing. Be good and decent and pursue a path of righteousness. The examples of gossip mongering show this is yet another tactic designed to compel people to incurr evil, which limits the time they will get up there. My adivce is be good and decent and pursue your own business. And avoid their temptations to get involved, for this corrupt society is littered with such temptations.
"Money is the root of all evil." is not just a cliche. They use the wealthy to corrupt the typical peasant, using these clones to create a goal of greed within the little people and use the media to promote materialism and consumption to society.
This whole system is about us, the disfavored left behind. And it is like this to keep us down.
Only you can save yourselves through an improved relationship with the gods. Even if you go up you are not saved. YOU have to fix YOUR problems with the gods. They won't respect it otherwise.
You have to take responsibility for your relationship with the gods.

The United States is a cancer, a dumping ground for the disfavored around the world and why the quality of life is so much lower::disturbing culture, gun violence, widespead social ills, health care issues (Pharmecuticals are designed EXCLUSIVELY to hurt the disfavored left behind by costing them a chance to ascend with their body, proof in the late (last 10 years) proliferation of pharmecutical advertizing on TV. You are sick/injured because you have disfavor.).
Over time its citizens interbreed ensuring a severed connection to the motherland.
Over time its citizens interbreed ensuring a severed connection to the motherland.
Bi-racial opens a new category, just as the Americans did when shipped out of their motherland::Bi-racial individuals are another inferior sub-class of peasant that are to get even less time than their grossly disfavored predicessors lucky enough to retain blood purity. Its emergence late (last 40 years) is a red flag suggesting its negative status. I want to remind older people about the stong stigma against bi-racial unions, a beneficial taboo handed down from our forefathers, one that faded to black as the 80s wore on.
The disfavored cast out to the United States did, in essence, become charter members of a new sub-class of citizen in the eyes of the gods, and as they began to mix they formed new sub-classes of people:::::
1st Class - Purebloods in their motherland
2nd Class - Disfavoreds cast out to the USA who retained their motherblood over the generations.
3rd Class - Disfavoreds sent to America who bred intra-continentally (bloodlines within the same continent)
4th Class - Disfavoreds banished to the United States who bred inter-continentally (bloodlines from different continents)
The effective difference could be in level of priveledge up there or perhaps the amount of time they intend on granting you::The lower the class the less time you get (They don't like to talk about how much time they are going to grant to people NOR about priveledge level.)
If you are a recent immigrant I recommend you return. (Just as with the Europeans a century ago, siblings who remained behind have the favor in your family.) If that's not possible you need to retain your culture and insulate your children and community from this cancerous environment. They send this clue with Chinatowns across the country, how many Chinese have been here for a century or more yet still retain the old ways, a sign of favor.

People came to the Unites States for many different reasons, and each has its own effect:::bondage, political strife, religious beliefs, crop failure (Ireland's potato famine, which of course the gods caused) and some left their beloved motherland because they were pushed into desiring a better life::::Greed, and these disfavored people were punished when the gods instructed AI to push them into becoming corrupted and preditory. They subsequently rewarded the corrupted Italians early this century so as to set the tone for the 20th century, the Age of the Disfavored, and used them to set an example for their own people and other disfavoreds within the United States. The gods sent this clue about "The Boot" (the Romans/Italians) again when European currencies merged:::::they ruined the value of the Lira prior to the merger, making the other countries foot this bill. Moral of the story::::The Italians are not to be trusted.
The gods used "The Boot" (Italy) twice::: Roman Empire and 20th century. Italians had certain priveledges for being positioned in charge, one is a lower incidence of homosexuality in the population.
Contrary to the perception, Italians have great disfavor, as do all inflicted with Catholicism:::I wonder if this was their punishment for the sins of the Roman Empire, the imperialism, the orgies???
Opera's sick themes were designed to corrupt the minds of the disfavored Italians. Once you recognize this I want to share that the Japanese also are grossly disfavored::they nearly produce distractions exclusively, their people are consumed by them, they have replaced their culture. What favor in Japan ocurrs rurally, and not near Nagasaki nor Hiroshima.
Wealth is a corruptor and a sign a society is disfavored::::Eastern Europe (socialism/communism) has favor while their western counterparts struggle in their relationship with the gods. Also baseball is a clue a society is grossly disfavored (Altanta Braves greatness of last 20 YEARS!!!! preditory on this very disfavored city and the nation as a whole, Braves baseball on cable TV DAILY!!!).
Cultures who embrace hard liquor as their drink of choice are grossly disfavored, tequilla being uniquely Mexican (Anything "hard" is wicked:::Hard alcohol, hard drugs, all porn.) or those who have a passion for drinking (Irish). Incidentally, another sign of gross disfavor are societies that consume spicy foods (Latin America, Thai, etc.), those who eat too much meat, engage in human sacrifice, ones who tattoo or pierce their bodies, those who celebrate evil (Celtic) or are inflicted with the Catholic Church. Contrary to what disfavored people believe, these peoples are not "earning" when they inflict their evil on others. Rather it is the source of their disfavor because the gods are scapegoatting them by hurting others with the problems the gods inflicted them with, ironically!!! Those who believe they are earning have become corrupted!!!
Disfavored people want to minimize the god's opportunities. These "open doors" give the gods the freedom to justify instructing Artificial Intelligence to create problems in the disfavored's lives. The USA, Catholic Church, hip-hop, etc all give the gods the freedom to abuse you and your family. Identify and eliminate as many of these items as you can.
The gods used "The Boot" twice, suggesting they are open to the idea of recycling:::Beem the structures and people off earth (into a star), beem out toxic waste and re-colonize the planet??? Planets require a investment and they may prefer to maximize its return.
They have many planets where they have fostered life. They have timed these planet's emergence (into industrial/technological age, the crucial in a planet's history,) to ensure they can give their full attention to each when it ocurrs.
They are personally involved, and are with each and every planet.


The gods will use whatever role players are at their disposal to justify their behavior to segments of society, 20th century gangsters used to position against the most disfavored among us, literally and telepathically::::The gods utilize levels of positioning. This is just another tactic the god's use to instill hurdles along the disfavored's path:::Whereas they used to take the many and leave the few now they take the few and leave the many.
There is an underlying positioning beneath this, as is the god's way:::Levels of positioning used to confuse the disfavored, to add a hurdle, and I suspect 20th century WorldWars are a clue suggesting germanic control (Hitler a clue suggesting Austrian leadership). Not only is their dominance of evil warmongering in the 20th century a clue but so is their language, a gutteral, wicked sounding langauge which is a clue offered to the disfavored. Similarly the purpose of their composers, many of whom were Austrian, ALL of whom were (brain-less?) clones (the favored children got out) was as a "high-level" distraction, a delaying tactic for those in that segment of society. Whereas this isn't as an important a tactic now it was back during the 20th century and earlier, I suspect. Austrian Sigmund Freud is known as the father of psychoanalysis yet people have (mental) health problems because of their disfavor, illustrating the preditory purpose of this discipline, this individual.
These people.
They fought to save Christianity in The Crusades. Do they have proprietory rights over beer, the scourge of men??? Buswdeiser IS Austrian. They suggest people crave this product. I know it's true. I've felt it myself and I don't even drink!!! It's because they are Austrian and the gods use Austrians as preditors.
(Much like US automakers, only one of these three companies is any good. You still shouldn't be drinking beer. And yes, it doesn't REALLY matter and yes, they are ALL merely clones, but just as the gods will enforce prophecy so will they enforce positioning. Plus because of the craving issue you are less apt to become an alcoholic drinking Coors than you are Buswieser.)
Martin Luther was a german and his teachings inspired the Reformation, good for the Germans and Christians throughout Europe. I wonder if Austrians would have tried to keep the Germans within the Church??
I argue the Austrians were used to lead the misled/unwitting Germans into evil.
Don't allow that Austrian, who has already been used to create so much damage throughout the decades (The gods instructed/forced this individual's (series of) clones to offer many clues, marrying a Kenndey is one.), into the White House. There won't be death camps but the gods will use this open door and exploit your mistake and punish you for failing to pick up on the clues listed above.
But I suspect the counsel/Management Team's use of positioning doesn't stop there. I suspect it may continue to "Earthly gods", perhaps with Egyptian Pharrohs, perhaps some Asian kings as leadership? Unlike "made guys" or VIPs, these individuals' reals may actually have a position within the Management Team for their status is very high. Their clone's role could suggest their real's importance:::::Of course their duties may not be Earthly due to bias.


If you ever have doubt I would refer you to the Old World way of life:::the elders used to sit and impart wisdom to the young. Now we watch DVDs and use the internet. People would be matched and married by age 14. They village would use a matchmaker or elders (all clones!!) to pair young people. Now girls give their precious virginity away to some person in school and parents divorce (AS TOLD!!!) while their children grow up without an important role model. The people used to honor the gods and were rewarded with a high-quality of life for them, their children and their society. Now we have a deteriorating society on a collision course with the Apocalypse.


The widespread emergence of innoculations was timed to coincide with other modern convieniences, setting the stage for the disturbing developments of the 20th century.
All the following are contributing factors justifing the deterioration of society, for the gods compensated for this easy living in other ways; the gods made people pay for the modern convieniences of today's society:::::
1. Indoor plumbing. People used to walk distances and return with heavy buckets full of water.
2. Freezer/refridgeration
3. Canned foods.
4. Mobility
5. Instantaneous communications
6. Freedom from pandemics through inocculations
I think the god's freedom to eliminate the descendants who had to pay for families or make widespread "corrections" (Black Plague) helped contribute to the decent society we enjoyed prior to the 20th century. Now those children live.
It's a contributing factor, justification for the deterioration of society which paves the way for The End.


There are many examples throughout 20th century life of how they instilled distractions into society so people wouldn't find the path and ascend, a way to justify excluding those whose family history makes them undesirable, dividing society into the haves and have-nots:::materialism, radio, sports, movies, popular music, television, video games, shopping. As we approached the end of the 20th century they accelerated their efforts:::the internet, the incredible increase in the stock markets, penny slot machines, etc, all deliberate attempts to ensure the disfavored are distracted/incurr evil (greed, justification for leaving the undesirable behind) and fail to make it up before this crucial date of 2000.
High pay to the disfavored today is a strategy::::It creates contentment/ability to distract self so people don't seek more, hesitant to receive contradicting possibilities, dependant on what they are told telepathically, subject to deception in a captive environment::the disfavored feel as if they are "in". It also opens the door for a materialistically-based lifestyle.
They gods (Counsel/Management Team/ruling species) have deteriorated life on earth precipitously in the last 40 years, from a godless society to abortion to pornography, widespread drug use and widespread casual (gay) sex, bi-racial children, explosion of "big" people, single-parent households, latchkey kids and the masculinization of women (and hence (full) women's prisons, participatory sports, etc. (Up until the past four decades it was the men who filled the prisons, the men who made trouble, the men who caused problems, and it's because theirs is the gender with disfavor and why the gods send them off to die in war. Too many men still sign on to the "good 'ole boy's club" paternalistic type of mentality, an archaic dumping ground now designated for the grossly disfavored, and it is used to compel them to feel superior to women when just the opposite is true.) Anything that emerged since the advent of television and "fast food" should be be distrusted by the disfavored and viewed as tools of the gods designed to attack us.
Anything that emerged since the advent of television and "fast food" should be be distrusted by the disfavored and viewed as tools of the gods designed to attack us.
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Anything that emerged since the advent of television and "fast food" should be be distrusted by the disfavored and viewed as tools of the gods designed to attack us.
Women are favored, are the element of decency, and as they become more like the men the society becomes more disfavored, goes downhill, as we are witnessing.
There was a time, not so long ago, when no self-respecting woman would EVER set foot in a bar or a gambling hall. The only women who were in those type of establishments were of questionable morals, and there were far fewer of them than there are today.
Tabloids offer details on celebrities lives. Celebrities are ALL (brain-less) clones. They utilize tactics to minimize their legacy as illustrated above, and brain-less clones are one tactic, multiple clones for important events (noteworthy movies, spotlight sporting events, etc.) are another.
Every one of them are clones, and all these incidents are staged::The gods tell these clone celebrities to commit their offense and offer these tabloids as temptation to the ignorant public. Tabloids are tagetted specifically to women, and the gods offer this information to hurt them, for they incurr evil:::::::they are enjoying the misery of others. It is not decent.
All these people are evil. I suspect their presence in their chosen profession is a statement regarding disfavor, legacy left from their real, prior life via reincarnation, etc.
And, much like all entertainers, sports, music, etc, they (their clone) wouldn't be doing what they do if they weren't evil. Their clones would be doing something good, something decent, something that didn't hurt people. The system is quite opposite from what it appears to be.

The Biblical account of Noah's flood was regional to the disfavored Mediterrean, peoples whom the gods scapegoatted when they pushed/disceived them into the evil that justified the flood, behavior similar to that which we are witnessing today. (Water levels lowered because of the ice age, habitation ocurred at seaside, land bridge at the Straight of Gibraltar "broke" through (New Orleans). Of course the gods desire maximum effect during these events so expect that they beemed in trillions of gallons into the Mediterreanean basin to enhance this event, especially in the east. Look for similar "effect-maximizing" behavior during future catastrophic events. (New Orleans))
Because they have leveled the playing field for all people (purebloods and mongrels) in the decades prior to the 21st century is a clue they will end globally this time (westernization, materialism, immigration/interracial, homosexual, access to disturbing media, desensitization, etc.)

The gods drew the disfavored out to California with the gold rush with "magic", peaking them euphorically::::::Gold fever (the same tactic they use to create addiction or create homosexuality).
In time they created the current disturbing enviornment designed to prey on those disfavored's descendants:::California led the social deterioration of the last 40 years as the gods escallated towards The End:::
-Free sex, Summer of Love
-Casual drug use
-Music scene
-Black Panthers
-Hollywood. Movies were terrible until they mysteriously changed in 196x sometime.
-Silicon Valley
-????
They implimented the deterioration of society over a century before it began in earnest.
Recall how California was the source of "progressive" ideas, gay acceptance/marriage, bi-racial acceptance, open immigration (see above), godlessness, individuality, and how these ideas were used to infect the rest of the country, the rest of the world.
Californians will be scapegoatted for The End, their "progressive" ideals used to perpetuate a "leveling of the playing field" worldwide. And don't be suprised if California (is the first to) subducts out of punishment (pushed into behavior, scapegoat them then punish them, recurring policy of the gods)::: the North American plate sliding under the Pacific plate.

Because they have leveled the playing field for all people (purebloods and mongrels) in the decades prior to the 21st century is a clue they will end globally this time (westernization, materialism, immigration/interracial, homosexual, voyerism, pornography, access to disturbing media, desensitization, etc). They've engaged in a process where they have divided society into the haves and have nots.
The clues all suggest a very telling conclusion::this is Earth's end stage, and these clues suggest they will end on Earth. There are signs tectonic plate subduction would be the method of disposal (Earth's axis will shift breaking continental plates free and initiating mass subduction.)::::::Much as Italy's boot and the United States shaped like a workhorse (with a fat ass) are geographic clues, so is the planet Uranus a clue, its axis rotated on its side.
Global warming should alarm people for it is a clue telling of the bleak future of Planet Earth.
The Bible says fire will be our demise this time. Both subduction and "beemed to the center of a star" fit this description:::::Don't think it will take as long as global warming suggests.
The gods used "The Boot" (Italy) twice, suggesting the gods are open to the idea of recycling::: Beem the structures and people off earth (into a star), beem out toxic waste and re-colonize the planet??? Planets require a investment and they may prefer to maximize their return.
Could they have already recycled earth before?


The Mayans as well as others were specific December 21, 2012 would be the end. How long after our emergency call in 2001 will the gods allow us???
How long after our emergency call in 2001 will the gods allow us???
How long after our emergency call in 2001 will the gods allow us???
The gods wrote prophecy in Revelation, had subsequent prophets foresee Earth's demise for good reason:::they are going to end on Planet Earth.
What else are they lying to you about? What else are they lying to you about?
What else are they lying to you about? What else are they lying to you about?
The gods wrote prohpecy for a reason:::They wrote prohpecy and conceived/implimented positioning because they intend on enforcing both. They didin't ivest the effort only to abandon their plans at a later date.
When people are saved at the end it will be the "haves", clones and clonesofclonesofclones in a theatrical display, not the disfavored people who have problems who were tempted into carrying on like they were "made guys", disceived into thinking they were "earning". Society has been divided into the haves and the have-nots, and it will be the haves who will be saved in the end, not the prono-driven, tattooed, pierced alternate freaks who get cornrows and grills because they are told they are being used to corrupt others or because they eat whatever the mdia feeds them.
It will (was) be some theatrical event, forcing some of these clones to come back, for I think many of them no longer resie on Earth. Of course they may be brain-less clones. If so they are just shells, slaves, robots and tools, the ultimate in disposability.
My message illustrating the path may be the disfavored's last clue. All clues before have been more covert but this one is quite obvious indeed, which says time is running out.

There are many ways they can play the deterioration of society as we move towards The End and you need to recognize it, for the door is open. I suspect the script is written, but the following is one idea they floated to me a couple of years ago::::
They may one day send a message, creating desperation among the disfavoreds:::
Have their clones shut down their corporations, stop their economic activity, be it farming, canning, power production, etc. and close up shop. This would leave the few disfavored companies (Atlanta) to fulfill the demand, unless they instruct them to pull out as well, for they ARE all brain-less clones, and this "good/evil company" issue is merely positioning.
They suggested they'd beem out all animals, be it livestock, etc., ensuring a heightened level of desperation. The resulting chaos would likley initiate the Apocalypse.
Disfavored people shouldn't be doing business with the favored.
Beem me up please.
(Atlanta is a very disfavored city and the gods instructed disfavored companies to locate there; Braves greatness of last 20 YEARS!!!! preditory on this very disfavored city. Baseball is a tool of the gods used to prey on the disfavored.
Atlanta's I-20 Racers - motocyclists speed down I-20 at speeds up to 250 mph to terrorize this disfavored city.
They threatened they would maintain a hurricane at category 5 even as far inland as Atlanta to destroy the city for the second time.)


Whereas Christopher Columbus marked the beginning of the end, the Holocaust marked the beginning of the final act, and it is a tragedy:::::
The gods fulfill the role of evil by preying on the disfavored and using Artificial Intelligence to push the disfavored into wickedness, leveling the playing field and paving the way for The End.
god is the Anti-Christ, if you put any credibility in this . And the gods view it as a joke because Christianity is BY FAR the world's WORST major religion.
This may never be revealed because of the levels of positioning. Perhaps they would put in some puppet, use some german, perhaps a Pharroh or an antient Asian king to position this to the ignorant which allows the gods to come off clean, leaving a MAJOR hurdle for the disfavored to overcome somewhere down the road, for they are still thinking wrong. But the gods ARE the source of misery for the disfavored. They promote evil and tempt people, instructing Artificial Intellignece to push them or disceive them into wickedness.
god is the Anti-Christ.
Is god the Anti-Christ or, since (if) Jesus is evil in this reverse positioning, is god the preditory Second Coming of Christ while the so-called Anti-Christ ironically is good, trying to save the disfavored??? Is the Anti-Christ figure the opposite of how they gods created a popular perception of the Anti-Christ as a wealthy white priveledged male who rises to power?
Christianity is BY FAR the world's WORST major religion, and the proof lies wih the disallusion the throngs of Christians experience once they learn this reality. The "final test" was most effective on Christians, for the gods are not good and loving. The gods have quite a sophisticated taste for vengance and inflict disasterously on the innocent descendants (the population explosions of the last few centuries say something very disturbing.).
god is the Anti-Christ. They do it TO us. THE GODS PUSHED PEOPLE INTO BEING HOMOSEXUAL THEN MURDERED THEM WITH AIDS ENSURING REINCARNATION. This behavior is recurring.
They LOVE irony like this. It is the apex of this theater.
They LOVE to manage our lives, and they love the drama that results.
To be god fearing is a very healthy thing.


People must defy when asked to engage in evil. The Holocaust taught people the importance of defiance::our great grandparents should have defied when telepathically asked to ignore the Holocaust and instead reacted with outrage. I suspect some did::many were silenced while others were hustled off earth so as to not set an example. Now the gods have used that incident to justify punishing that generation's decendants by ruining society.
The gods imparted many other clues, another example being the incidents where women killed their children because they were told to. AT LEAST one child out of each family had to pay the price, and they will all stay less time than had they done it the right way and fixed their problems.
Would YOU murder your children if they asked?? They also ask some people to be gay. Would you live a homosexual lifestyle if they requested?? Would you schedule your sex change operation?
People will never get a easier clue suggesting the importance of defiance than the order not to pray. Their precious babies are dependant on the parents and they need to defy when asked to betray their children:::
-DON'T get your sons circumcized (Jews scapegoatted as per the clue sent in WWII (like justification, scapegoatting a recurring theme:::Scapegoatting as a matter of policy. I believe Jews were scattered around Europe as a clue to misled Christians like the Amish are a clue in the United States today; the gods used the Austrian-led germans to dispose of this clue.)
If you circumsized your sons it is a sign of gross disfavor and means you are being disceived. There are many levels of disfavor and the clues they offer to the unaware can be very subtle. Circumcision is NOT one of them.
-DON'T have their children baptized in the Catholic Church or indoctrinated into Christianity (Jesus is NOT a god. Jesus teaches us the right way to think, and it is a message is so elementary that it is good only for the disfavored dumped into "insensitive meathead" category.
The gods are not forgiving or begnign. They are vindictive and will punish you if you do something wrong.)
-DON'T ignore long hair or other behavioral disturbances.
-DO teach your children love, respect for others, humility and to honor the gods.
-DO teach your children about the power within the god's possession, if not directly then indirectly.
And when you refuse a request defy the right way, withdrawn and frightened, for you don't want to incite them by reacting inappropriately.


You need to pray, honor and respect them multiple times every day to improve your relationship with the gods. If they tell you not to pray it is a bad sign. It means they've made their decision, they don't want you to go and they don't want to reconsider. You may have achieved a threshold of evil. This is the Age of the Disfavored and you need to pray:::::Attone for the things you've done wrong. Try to appease the gods by doing good deeds and improve the world around you. Focus on becoming "Christ-like". Apply yourself to your children for I think this is the single best way for adults to try to redeem themselves in the eyes of the gods. Hopefully you can reearn enough favor to be allowed to pray. Otherwise you need to defy if you are to repair your relationship with the gods and give yourself a chance at significant time, not just a handful of decades.
Otherwise you need to defy if you are to repair your relationship with the gods and give yourself a chance at significant time, not just a handful of decades. Each individual has a relationship with the gods and you need to repair yours. Nobody is going to do it for you nor is anybody going to save you. This is not respectable and the gods do not respect it:::You must repair YOUR relationship with the gods yourself.
Some people prefer to view their relationship as if they were subjects who answer to royalty. If you are on Planet Earth then you are in trouble, you are either a memeber of a very disfavored blood line or they continually reincarnate you (population explosions of last 100 years suggests fresh new people). I STRONGLY RECOMMEND you view them AS GODS. They have the power of gods and they will live forever.


If you are a clone, if you have "seen", you more than anybody should honor the gods for you know their great power:::you have seen it firsthand. They share that they prefer most clones not pray and segment them like they do disfavoreds left behind, for it will limit the time they will receive, JUST LIKE THEY DO TO TYPICAL DISFAVOREDS!!! The gods deceive them to achieve this, for fresh clones are easily misled, setting them in the wrong direction and compelling these individuals into a pattern that excludes honoring their creator, limiting the time they are to receive. You need to discover your humanity, get out of that gear they put clones in and this will only happen though progress, continuing effort towards self-improvement.
When your peasant forefather was granted the rare opportunity to go before his royal family he went on his knees, bowing his head, humbled and frightened. You need to do this when you address the gods::bow down and submit to good. Never cast your eyes skyward. When you bow down you need to look within. Never look to the gods for you have the key to your own salvation. Remain silent and never address the gods directly for this is disrespectful. Practice patience and wait for them to address you:::never speak unless you are spoken to.
Nobody is going to do it for you. People need to save THEMSELVES by improving THEIR relationship with the gods. If you comply and don't pray you will get fifty years IF you go and then you will die, they will beem you to the center of a star. PLUS your level of priveledge will be much lower than had you repaired your relationship with the gods appropriately. Each one of us has a relationshi




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