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Democrat Response to the Libby Verdict

Here is Harry Reid's response:

Washington, DC--Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid today released the following statement on news that a jury has found Lewis "Scooter" Libby, former Chief of Staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, guilty of perjury and obstruction of justice.


"I welcome the jury's verdict. It's about time someone in the Bush Administration has been held accountable for the campaign to manipulate intelligence and discredit war critics. Lewis Libby has been convicted of perjury, but his trial revealed deeper truths about Vice President Cheney's role in this sordid affair. Now President Bush must pledge not to pardon Libby for his criminal conduct."

Sorry Harry, but Libby was not convicted of manipulating intelligence or of discrediting war critics. Heck, he was not even convicted of "outing" a covert CIA agent.

In Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald's statement today he said he did not "expect" to file additional charges.

See Kevin's excellent coverage of the verdict, including juror remarks, below.

Update: Lis Wiehl, commenting on Fox News, said that Ken Starr investigated Whitewater and found "nothing" until Monica Lewinsky came to his attention. She compared it to the Libby case saying there was no underlying crime here. I agree with her on that, but not that Ken Starr found "nothing" on Whitewater. I don't recall the number, but there were numerous convictions and guilty pleas in Whitewater, including one of the sitting governor of Arkansas, Jim Guy Tucker.

Some Democrat (whose name I didn't get) on the same panel, repeated the media fantasy that Joe Wilson discredited the administration with his truthful op/ed that showed Bush to be a liar about Saddam seeking uranium from Africa. Rich Lowry called him on it and pointed out that Wilson had been shown through this ordeal to have been a lying partisan who not only lied about his wife's role in his appointment to the Niger mission, but about his findings. Things got a little heated and the Democrat seemed truly baffled by Lowry's statement. He must not have read the 9/11 commission report.

Update II: James Boyce is the name of the Democrat strategist I referenced above and he went on to praise and credit the leftwing blogosphere for pushing this case.

Update III: Ace on sentencing:

So: first the appeal, I guess, fighting over whether or not Fitzgerald had the right to impanel a grand jury to investigate a non-crime in the first place; and when that fails (which it will), the sentencing.


As others have suggested; Sandy Berger lied to investigators and destroyed national security documents to prevent them from being seen by the 9/11 Commission. He paid a $50,000 fine, had to do 100 hours of community service or thereabouts, and lost his security clearance for two years or so.

I'd say that should be the maximum sentence for Libby. Maybe about half that.

That sounds just about right to me.



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Comments (51)

Wasn't Dirty Harry Reid sup... (Below threshold)
Kat:

Wasn't Dirty Harry Reid supposed to be investigated for some land dealings? I wonder when we can expect some MSM news on that. hmmmmm.

The very idea that Harry Re... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

The very idea that Harry Reid should suggest Bush make a pledge not to pardon Libby is embarrassing. It's not his place and it is pure grandstanding. We needn't look back to far to see that there are many other lowlier human beings that have been pardoned from administrations past.

That is not to suggest that pardoning Libby would be the right thing to do and in all honesty, I don't think GWB would do it. But Reid is just playing politics, I guess I shouldn't be surprised. And nice attempt by him to broaden the conviction to manipulation of pre-war intelligence. I didn't even know he was on trial for that.

HR: Lewis Libby has been... (Below threshold)
mantis:

HR: Lewis Libby has been convicted of perjury, but his trial revealed deeper truths about Vice President Cheney's role in this sordid affair.

LB: Sorry Harry, but Libby was not convicted of manipulating intelligence or of discrediting war critics.

Got him good with that one!

Great verdict!! I heard 95%... (Below threshold)
sloane:

Great verdict!! I heard 95% of the testimony and there was NO way this moron was going to be found not guilty!!!! Scooter reeked of guilt. FITZMAS party tonight in Georgetown. Can't wait!!!

The White House Iraq Group... (Below threshold)
civil behavior:

The White House Iraq Group (WHIG), took aim at critics who questioned its claims." WHIG was run out of Vice President Cheney's office, and included Cheney's Chief of Staff "Scooter" Libby, top Bush strategist Karl Rove, and other top Bush administration officials.

Libby illegally obstructed the investigation into the White House outing of an undercover CIA agent, Valerie Plame Wilson. He also was charged with perjury and making false statements to FBI agents.

Not only did this leak end Valerie Plame Wilson's 20-year career as a CIA covert agent, but it also exposed a longstanding CIA front company, Brewster Jennings & Associates, where Plame worked and put at risk many of the undercover agents who had worked with Wilson in the past.

''Scooter's... sacrificed much in the service to this country... he served the vice president and me through extraordinary times in our nation's history... In our system each individual is presumed innocent and entitled to due process and a fair trial.''

-- President Bush
just as guilty as scooter and shooter....

Foolsish Americans.


Ha ha.<a href="htt... (Below threshold)
jp2:
The information Rich Lowry ... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

The information Rich Lowry brought up in that discussion needs to be talked about ad nauseum. Joe Wilson was telling one thing to the CIA while detailing the complete opposite on the op/ed pages. Why is it that more people don't know this, or are they choosing to disregard because it doesn't fit into their Bush lied worldview.

are they choosing to dis... (Below threshold)
Dan Irving:

are they choosing to disregard because it doesn't fit into their Bush lied worldview.

Yes

Sloane,Are you celeb... (Below threshold)
Lorie Byrd:

Sloane,
Are you celebrating the breakdown of Libby's wife in open court, as well? How about Dick Cheney's blood clot? Geez. Even if you thought Libby was guilty, the fact that a guilty verdict in this case would be cause for celebration just shows how this was about nothing but politics. Pure and simple.

civil behavior:<block... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

civil behavior:

Foolsish Americans.

Too easy.

civil behavior:<... (Below threshold)
Dan Irving:
civil behavior:

Foolsish Americans.

Too easy.

Maybe civil's BDS goggles are on too tight ...

"Libby is the highest-ra... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"Libby is the highest-ranking White House official to be convicted of a felony since the Iran-Contra scandal of the mid-1980s."

You an always count on those Republican felons to raise the bar...

If incompetence were a crim... (Below threshold)

If incompetence were a crime wouldn't Cheney, Rove and the rest all be convicted?

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The Justice Department shou... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

The Justice Department should use this case as an example in it's investigations of who leaked classified information to the New York Times. No need to prove the original crime or even charge anyone with the original crime, just have the FBI interview enough people on the target list enough times and when you find inconsistencies (as you always will) charge someone with the same list of crimes Libby faced. When the liberals complain about a witch hunt, just remind them of the Libby case.

Ace on sentencing: [... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Ace on sentencing: [uninformed gibberish about the "right" to impanel a grand jury....Sandy Burglar! Sandy Burglar! Sandy Burglar!]

Lorie: That sounds just about right to me.

Ahh, good to see the legal experts weigh in.

"the Democrat seemed tru... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

"the Democrat seemed truly baffled by Lowry's statement."

As most all lefties are beffled when confronted with the truth. They really do believe in the fabricated reality in which they live.

I am by no means stating th... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

I am by no means stating that I think you are a legal expert mantis. But I'm curious what you feel the sentence should be for Libby?

I personally think Ace makes a fair point.

And if some of the others can come down from their celebrations feel free to add your fair sentence to the mix.

I am by no means stating... (Below threshold)
mantis:

I am by no means stating that I think you are a legal expert mantis.

A wise move.

But I'm curious what you feel the sentence should be for Libby?

Oh, hell, I don't know. A fine but no jail time, I guess.

I personally think Ace makes a fair point.

That Burger got off light, I guess, but I don't really think that sentencing should be determined on the basis of the sentencing of another, unrelated crime, especially when they aren't even the same crime!

But what made me laugh was Ace's supposing that the first appeal would center around whether Fitzgerald had the "right" to impanel a grand jury. That is laughably absurd, even to this non-legal expert.

Eh, that should read Berger... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Eh, that should read Berger not Burger, and "they aren't even the same crimes."

Don't want maggy and Hoggs jumping on me for grammar and spelling mistakes. ;)

Mantis I would be praying i... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Mantis I would be praying if I were you. Love that, praying mantis. Did you watch the self-styled spokesman for the jury? Something about where was Karl Rove in all of this. On the face of it, it would appear that at least one jurer had an agenda. Considering Fitzgerald knew almost from the onset, that Richard Armitage was the source of information published by Robert Knovak. To charge someone with obstruction of justice, there must be justice to be obstructed. Since there was no crime, and Fitzgerald knew it, he is guilt of malicious prosecution. Bush should find it no longer pleases him to employ Mr. Fitzgerald.

If posting far, faaaaar off... (Below threshold)
marc:

If posting far, faaaaar off topic were a crime wouldn't Larkin be convicted of criminal extraneous animadversion?

More brilliant legal analys... (Below threshold)
mantis:

More brilliant legal analysis from Professor Ragshaft, J.D.

But what made me laugh w... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

But what made me laugh was Ace's supposing that the first appeal would center around whether Fitzgerald had the "right" to impanel a grand jury. That is laughably absurd, even to this non-legal expert.

Agreed.

Oh, hell, I don't know. A fine but no jail time, I guess.

Interesting, considering that is the same sentence handed down to Burger for destroying documents and lying to cover it up.

And how interesting would it be to see those who are in such utter glee today react to a sentence w/o jail time.

And how interesting woul... (Below threshold)
mantis:

And how interesting would it be to see those who are in such utter glee today react to a sentence w/o jail time.

I think their heads would explode.

Hey stupid , I mean Lark... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

Hey stupid , I mean Larkin, you are just as stupid and incompetant as Piglosi and Dingy Harry. "Democrat Response to the Libby Verdict" has nothing to do with the Libby Verdict, it's just another opportunity to cry and lie like political attention whores.

This is yet another direct result of not enforcing the rule of law and executing traitorous Un-American Democrats and putting them in prison and throwing away the key for their never ending criminal behavior .

I read somewhere .....

Save a seal, club a Liberal

I wonder if it now reads ....

Save our Country, club a Democrat.

Mantis, oh Mantis. If Fitz... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Mantis, oh Mantis. If Fitzgerald was empowered to investigate who originally told Bob Knovak about the liar Wison's wife, and almost from the beginning, he knew it was Richard Armitage. Where does he draw the power to empanel a grand jury. The case he was on was solved. Those who spoke of it after it became public inforamtion should no longer be at risk for "leaking" anything. Please explain where there is a crime.

"lying to a grand jury and... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

"lying to a grand jury and obstuction of justice" is as serious matter and a crime" ..but it suppose it is so pervasive in the White House, that it escapes your notice, Zelsdorf.

Guilty!!! SOOOOOOOOOO WHAT.... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Guilty!!! SOOOOOOOOOO WHAT. What the hell is going to change? NOTHING. Just like it was when "I DID NOT HAVE A B'JOB WITH THAT INTERN" or I forgot I had the papers in my pants. Now lets get to the "cold cash".

My quote was actually Fizg... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

My quote was actually Fizgerald's"...lied and obstructed justice in a serious matter. The results are actually sad. It's sad that we had a situation where a high-level official -- a person who worked in the office of the Vice President -- obstructed justice and lied under oath. We wish that had not happened."

sloane:A FITZMAS p... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

sloane:

A FITZMAS party? Over this? I hope you like drinking alone...

If Fitzgerald was empowe... (Below threshold)
mantis:

If Fitzgerald was empowered to investigate who originally told Bob Knovak about the liar Wison's wife, and almost from the beginning, he knew it was Richard Armitage.

Well, I haven't been following this as close as some, but if I'm not mistaken Libby leaked to Miller well before Novak's column. In any case Fitzgerald was given plenary authority to:

investigate and prosecute violations of any federal criminal laws related to the underlying alleged unauthorized disclosure, as well as federal crimes committed in the course of, and with intent to interfere with, your investigation, such as perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, and intimidation of witnesses; to conduct appeals arising out of the matter being investigated and/or prosecuted; and to pursue administrative remedies and civil sanctions (such as civil contempt) that are within the Attorney General's authority to impose or pursue.

Where does he draw the power to empanel a grand jury.

See above.

Those who spoke of it after it became public inforamtion should no longer be at risk for "leaking" anything.

Libby, and others, leaked the info multiple times prior to Novak's column.

Please explain where there is a crime.

You're not aware? Libby was convicted of them hours ago. Memory problems?

I await your continued legal analysis. I'm sure it will be very insightful.

Not to pick fly specks out ... (Below threshold)
jefferson101:

Not to pick fly specks out of the pepper, but I'm an Arkansas resident, and have been for about the last 20 years.

The way my memory goes, Jim Guy Tucker's conviction didn't have anything at all to do with Whitewater, or with Ken Starr. It was a Bankruptcy fraud on a totally unrelated issue.

As others have suggested... (Below threshold)
MyPetGloat:

As others have suggested; Sandy Berger lied to investigators and destroyed national security documents to prevent them from being seen by the 9/11 Commission.

AceHole is also suggesting that he is an idiot as well:

1.) The documents Berger removed were copies; the National Archives retained the originals

2.) 9-11 Commission spokesman Al Felzenberg has stated that the commission is not missing documents. "This is a matter between the government and an individual,"


Furthermore:

"the panel has "copies of everything (Berger) saw. We have access to every one of these documents that we have been reading about that have been allegedly taken. We have had access to everything. In no way was our report compromised."

MPG, we have only Berger's ... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

MPG, we have only Berger's word on whether or not he took originals. The Archives have admitted they had not inventoried the documents Berger accessed.

But go ahead and celebrate. You libs've managed to get a guilty man off scot free and convict an innocent man who did nothing more than remind us that Joe Wilson is a liar and a con man.

You must be soooooo proud.

"The documents Berger remov... (Below threshold)
Dave in W-S:

"The documents Berger removed were copies; the National Archives retained the originals."

Just copies. Copies with the comments and notes of the officials who reviewed those drafts. Gee, you think maybe there might have been something incriminating in those handwritten comments? Nah. Burglar was just helping cut government costs by sneaking the trash out in his pants.

Get your head out of your *ss, Goat. Next thing you know, you'll start believing your own bs.

You libs've managed to g... (Below threshold)
mantis:

You libs've managed to get a guilty man off scot free and convict an innocent man who did nothing more than remind us that Joe Wilson is a liar and a con man.

Actually, the Justice Department and the prosecutor deserve credit for all of this, not "you libs." And you forgot to mention that Libby lied under oath and obstructed justice. I know its hard to remember since it happened so long ago.

And who was the guilty man that got off scot-free (thanks to "you libs")?

Crickmore, what makes you s... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Crickmore, what makes you so sure it was not the reporters who were doing the lying? Since memory is a subjective thing. Besides, what difference does it make who Libby talked to about Plame? By the time he spoke about it, it was public knowledge that Wilsons wife worked for the CIA thanks to Richard Armitage. How did Hillary make that much money on the futures market anyway. Oh, she didn't remember. Talk about perjury. If you choose not to believe that jury was bias, ask youself if you think the Juror that was on TV had an agenda. I have some land in Alaska forsale to you idiots.

"I'd say that [Berger's sen... (Below threshold)
Herman:

"I'd say that [Berger's sentence] should be the maximum sentence for Libby. Maybe about half that." -- Ace

"That sounds just about right to me." -- Lorie Byrd

Well, Lori, given that Sandy Berger was convicted by Bush's Justice Department of merely a misdemeanor, whereas Scooter has just been found guilty of four felonies, I'm afraid you're going to be disappointed.


"You libs've managed to ... (Below threshold)
MyPetGloat:

"You libs've managed to get a guilty man off scot free and convict an innocent man who did nothing more than remind us that Joe Wilson is a liar and a con man"

-Which libs got Berger off scott free? That commie pinko Justice Department run by the lefty moonbat Alberto Gonzales? Is he too a part of the Vast Left Wing Conspiracy (tm)?

Don't worry. Libby will probably get a pardon. Dubya will just take a page out of Daddy's Iran-Contra playbook.

"I believe he [Lewis Libby]... (Below threshold)
Herman:

"I believe he [Lewis Libby] is one of the more honest men I know." -- Dick Cheney

Sad that in this particular instance, Dick Cheney speaks the truth. Sadder still that conservatives, lacking the capacity to think deeply, will fail to grasp all the subtle implications of what the Vice President of the United States has said.

Harry Reid trying to get Bu... (Below threshold)
Jo:

Harry Reid trying to get Bush to promise not to give a pardon??!!

Bwhahahahahahahah....now that's RICH. (yes, pun intended)

(Marc Rich pardon for the clueless idiots who didn't get it)

Too too funny.

I give this about 3 days an... (Below threshold)
Jo:

I give this about 3 days and it will be old news and americans will be bored with it (if they aren't already)...

Meanwhile, the global warming myth is being blown out of the water by scientists that use to support it.

Now THAT is news. Yeeeehaw. Another liberal myth bites the dust.

"I give this about 3 day... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"I give this about 3 days and it will be old news and americans will be bored with it (if they aren't already)..."

Lots more fun ahead - there is still the civil trial to look forward to -- and now that Libby is a CONVICTED FELON we can look forward to his mug shot, etc. lol!

Thanks Lee,I forgot ... (Below threshold)
Lorie Byrd:

Thanks Lee,
I forgot about the civil trial. Joe Wilson under oath...now that is something I would really like to see.

Lee"and n... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

Lee

"and now that Libby is a CONVICTED FELON we can look forward to his mug shot"

Sure , why not . He can pose with those other two felons with are the very resaon for his circumstance. The CRIMINAL FELONS BJ CLINTON AND HILARY ROTTEN CLINTON.

They can also pose for the after pardon picture. The difference is he won't have to pay $80,000 for it or perforn some other favor in return.

"Joe Wilson under oath..... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"Joe Wilson under oath...now that is something I would really like to see."

Remember that the civil suit also names VP Cheney, Karl Rove, and Dick Armitage in addition to CONVICTED FELON Scooter. They'll all be there marching into court and testifying.

Do you think the other administration members will lie under oath, like Scooter did?

I see old p'p' is posting u... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

I see old p'p' is posting under his usual name. Must be washing his "socks".
Like to make a little bet on the "civil" suit p'p'?

Fitz has given Russert's te... (Below threshold)
kim:

Fitz has given Russert's testimony to Eckenrode about the Libby conversation as reason to proceed even though he knew that Armitage leaked. The trouble is that Eckenrode's notes are missing and both defense and prosecution stipulated to the fact that at first Russert said that he couldn't be sure Plame had not come up. Of course, at trial Russert testified that it would have been impossible for him to speak about Plame. There is a contradiction there that should have spelled reasonable doubt, and that same contradiction impeaches Fitz's stated rationale for going forward.

Let's hear more from Eckenrode, Mitchell, Russert, and Fitz. NBC has jumped the shark, there is blood in the water, and the Fox is closing in. Learning to swim in shark infested waters, I mean.
=========================

Also, this publicity hound ... (Below threshold)
kim:

Also, this publicity hound juror, Denis Collins, wrote a book about spying, may be on the board of a spy museum, and once worked with Russert. I say he was deceptive enough in voir dire to blow this case up. Now I want to know about the art curator. Whose blog was she reading?
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Next to be indicted - Armit... (Below threshold)
Buckeye:

Next to be indicted - Armitage, W Jefferson, H Reid and Berger. In your dreams.

If this is an example of justice, I hope I never have to go to court.

I think Ya all be some craz... (Below threshold)
CRAZY BITCH:

I think Ya all be some crazy sons a bitches peace out niggas




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