Huh? What was unjust? Or is this just a hit and run?

(Last one was rhetorical)

What a travesty! The jury was ready to convict Libby before the trial began. The Prosecutor knew there was no crime commited as soon as he began his "investigation".
Now the Left can pretend they have won some kind of victory against the Bush administration. What a laugh.
Valerie Plame wasn't an undercover agent. She drove her car from her house to her office at Langley everyday for five years.
Joseph Wilson lied to the Senate Intelligence Committee about the yellowcake in Niger.

Between 1882 and 1930 262 blacks were lynched in AL. Below is a list of the common reasons to lynch a black man in the South (I did not find obstruction of justice or perjury):
Acting suspiciously
Gambling
Quarreling
Adultery
Grave robbing
Race hatred; Race troubles
Aiding murderer
Improper with white woman
Rape
Arguing with white man
Incest
Rape-murders
Arson Inciting to riot
Resisting mob
Assassination
Inciting trouble
Robbery
Attempted murder
Indolence
Running a bordello
Banditry
Inflammatory language
Sedition
Being disreputable
Informing
Slander
Being obnoxious
Injuring livestock
Spreading disease
Boasting about riot
Insulting white man
Stealing
Burglary
Insulting white woman
Suing white man
Child abuse
Insurrection
Swindling
Conjuring
Kidnapping
Terrorism
Courting white woman
Killing livestock
Testifying against white man
Criminal assault
Living with white woman
Throwing stones
Cutting levee
Looting
Train wrecking
Defending rapist
Making threats
Trying to colonize blacks
Demanding respect
Miscegenation
Trying to vote
Disorderly conduct
Mistaken identity
Unpopularity
Eloping with white woman
Molestation
Unruly remarks
Entered white woman's room
Murder
Using obscene language
Enticement
Non-sexual assault
Vagrancy
Extortion
Peeping Tom
Violated quarantine
Fraud
Pillage
Voodooism
Plotting to kill
Voting for wrong party
Frightening white woman
Poisoning well

Well, Barney, I do see "Voting for wrong party". That seem to apply here.

The whole idea that Iraq was trying to acquire yellowcake from Africa is preposterous on the face of it. Saddam could have retrieved tons of yellowcake from the massive phosphate deposits that Iraq has near Al Qaim which is near the border with Syria. He had no reason to go to Africa to get it.

And even if he did it was useless to him because he did not have the means to refine it. As we all know, you can't make a bomb from raw yellowcake. The process of obtaining fissile material from yellowcake is expensive, time consuming, requires significant technological expertise, and a complex setup of centrifuges.

Bush, Cheney, Libby, et al, played upon the ignorance of a majority of American people who don't understand the difference between Uranium and Uranium-235. People heard the word "uranium" and they believed Saddam was on the brink of getting a bomb. But it was all a massive deception on the part of our government. Libby certainly deserves jail time for his part in that conspiracy.

At least those require intent. How many of those require you to have perfect memory from events a year ago?

Libby should have followed Hillary's script in front of the grand jury investigating her cattle futures insider trading. "I don't recall." Over a hundred times.

So when does Libby get hanged?

Larkin:

Well, they could have gotten some uranium from al Qaim, of they completely rebuilt the plant that was blown up in the first Gulf War (while under the eyes of every recon satellite on the planet).

It would have been a project big enough for even UN inspectors to notice, though, while buying uranium from the big, busy mines in Africa would have been a matter of getting some corrupt officials to siphon off a few percent of their normal production.

The other thing you sorta skipped over was that, until 9/11, Saddam thought he was getting away with it - mostly because people like yourself just couldn't bring themselves to believe that someone as sweet as Saddam Hussein could possibly want a nuclear weapon, and that the horrible old US was just picking on Iraq's muderous, genocidal dictator.

This jury took a long time to reach a verdict..
They decided the evidence demonstrated Libby lied.
That resulted in a guilty verdict...
Damn..doesn't that mean anything?

Libby did "Conjuring" a story.

The political implications of this are interesting. Obama benefits from it.

If the Dems want to run on the GOP as a culture of corruption, they can hardly have the wife of an impeached president on the top of the ticket. An impeached president whose pardons were suspect, too.

Yes, Larkin, Bush was counting on the ignorance of people like the Nigerian official that stated he viewed the Iraq trip as an attempt to buy yellowcake from his country. And the CIA officials who told the 9/11 comission that Wilson's trip added more credence to their opinion that Iraq DID try to obtain the yellowcake. He sure is cunning for a moron.

Also, with the AQ Kahn network selling Nuke tech to anyone who had money...as Saddam did, courtesy of the UN...there was likely to be a steep learning curve for that kind of thing.

So Plame wasnt covert, Wilson has been proven to be a sphincter, yet, libby is convicted?

HTF can someone lie about someone being covert, that isnt?

If Bush had balls, he'd pardon him by sunrise tomorrow.

Since when have Dems cared about Obstruction of Justice, Perjury, & Lying to investigators??? Aren't William Jefferson/Clinton both Dems? Didn't Shrillary tweak & bombast the FBI? Did I sleep through an entire 8 years of lies, perjures, & obstruction?

Calls are starting to come in for Cheney to resign.

It showed the lengths to which Cheney went in early summer 2003 to discredit administration critic Joseph Wilson. The former ambassador's assertions had cast doubt on the administration's justification for having taken the country to war in Iraq. And the Libby case showed the president assisting Cheney in the leaked attacks on Wilson.

Libby, who was Cheney's chief of staff, was found guilty on Tuesday of four of five counts of obstructing justice, lying and perjury during an investigation into the administration's disclosure of the identity of undercover CIA official Valerie Plame, Wilson's wife.

The verdict "does great damage to the Bush administration," said Paul C. Light, professor of public service at New York University. "It undermines the president's pledge of ethical conduct. But the most serious consequence is that it will raise questions about Cheney's durability in office. It may be time for Cheney to submit his resignation."

But don't count on it. Bush in the past has repeatedly come to the defense of his vice president.

The writer is correct - don't count on the Bush administration doing anything ethical at this point - look at the way Bush protected Rumsfeld until the day after the '06 election!

Which is all for the good of Democrats -- Cheney is now a huge albatross around the neck of the GOP, and he will help sink their chances in the 08 election.

Bush, Cheney, Libby, et al, played upon the ignorance of a majority of American people who don't understand the difference between Uranium and Uranium-235. People heard the word "uranium" and they believed Saddam was on the brink of getting a bomb.

Because we all know that Saddam really wanted uranium to put his ingenious plan of using helium balloons to float missiles into the US into motion.

Lee, if that is what you believe, then I think Cheney should run for Prez.

Barney,

And since you bring it up,

Inciting trouble
Inflammatory language
Sedition
Being disreputable
Being obnoxious
Throwing stones
Making threats
Demanding respect
Unpopularity
Unruly remarks
Using obscene language
Enticement
Vagrancy
Voting for wrong party

All apply to you and/or every other troll here.

Anything but a perjudice jury, would have found Lewis Libby guilty of nothing. Since it was Armitage who informed Knovak about Ms Plame undermining the policy of the elected govenment by sending a person she knew would find the desired results, facts not withstanding, for the purpose of undermining US policy for polical purposes. In times past, it would not have been Libby on trial but the Wilsons. There treason will go unpunished. Sadly.

"What a travesty! The jury was ready to convict Libby before the trial began. The Prosecutor knew there was no crime commited as soon as he began his 'investigation.'"

If they were ready to convict beforee the trial then Libby's lawyer did a damn poor job of jury selection.

jt,

Not if the entire pool was the same.

"mostly because people like yourself just couldn't bring themselves to believe that someone as sweet as Saddam Hussein could possibly want a nuclear weapon,"

Well he looked so gentle shaking Donald Rumsfield's hand. I mean if Donald shake's your hand (After you gassed a shitload or iranians and didn't mention it) i would have thought you were sweet too.

A DC jury pool probably has the same makeup politically as one from Boston or San Francisco.

"Not if the entire pool was the same."

First, what is your reasoning based on, that led you to beleive the jury pool had already determined the outcome? second, what is reasoning based on that leads to the concluson that the entire jury pool was tainted?

Wonder if Lee will answer any tough questions today or puss out like she did yesterday.

jt,

See Wethal's post immediately above yours.

jt, it's not a question of taint. It's a question of the political bias that the jurors bring with them. DC, Boston and SF all have overwhelming Democratic registration. No Bush administration official could get a fair trial from a group predisposed to vote against the GOP.

"See Wethal's post immediately above yours."

So, your reasoning is that because DC is liberal leaning (According to you and Wethal) one must conclude that the jury poole would never contain Americans who would fullfill their constitutional duty to give libby a fair trial, and further more we can conclude that since the jury poole is so saturated with DC liberals (Who either have been following this case enough to make up their minds in advance, or hate the Bush administration so much that they will send an innocent man to prison for 25 years) that there is no way Libby's lawyers could have possibly weeded out those who had already made up their minds? That sounds reasonable.

P.S. Like the Zappa thing.

p.p.s. Sorry about all the spelling errors. Going a little fast.

I can't handle tough questions so please don't ask.

There(sic) treason will go unpunished. Sadly.

Posted by: Zelsdorf Ragshaft III

Happy Fitz-Patrick Day

I can't handle tough questions so please don't ask.

Posted by: Lee at March 6, 2007 07:36 PM

The comment above isn't mine, and since Alcudia has been trolling me on other threads I suspect it is him/her who posted that comment.

jt, no, I don't think they did take their oath seriously given the fact that all but one turned up on Valentine's Day in goofy Red T-shirts and wished the courtroom a Happy Valentine's Day.

It wasn't Bush, Cheney, or Rumsfield, but the Trolls will take it and cheer. Now.. a fine like Burger got? or pull his law Degree like Clinton?.. or just ignore it like with Jefferson.. THAT is the question now, since we all know he didn't "OUT" anyone.

"Lee, if that is what you believe, then I think Cheney should run for Prez."

So do I. Where do I send my check?

"jt, no,Jtreversed I would guess you wouldn't either. Why? because I'm guessing you are not a sociopath and don't hate clinton so much you would ruin someone's life. What do you think?

Wethal,

How dare you omit the largest populated of Liberal cesspools , Los Angeles.

Well he looked so gentle shaking Donald Rumsfield's hand.

Part of the job of working in diplomacy and international relationships is standing face to face with people like Saddam and pretending they're normal people.

...like in the 1980s, when Iraq was in the middle of a big, nasty war with Iran (who we were in a de facto state of war with, since they took a bunch of hostages in the US Embassy, in extreme contravention of international conduct). Iraq was already getting a huge amount of money from the Soviet Union, and we needed to make at least some effort to keep contacts going, so the Soviets wouldn't have uncontested control of the area from Afghanistan to Saudi Arabia.

Of course, when we don't stand there and shake hands with crazy assholes (like the folks who run Iran), you're going to complain because we're not "negotiating" with them to end their nuclear weapons programs...

Post got mangled somehow. let me try this again.

Wethal you are postulating tha