Well, there you go. Apparently nowadays reporters whose own notes contradict their version of events are more believable to a jury than an administration employee in a 'he said/she said' case.

Appeal time?

Bummer.

The upside is that appeal will get the real story out, which wasn't a sure thing. I doubted we'd get cloture over the run-up to the war with an innocent verdict, and now we have a chance.
====================

And Sandy Burger goes free, with no prosecution!!!!!

Amazing

What a joke...

And good point about Sandy Burgler

"Imagine the howls from the left if Libby is found not guilty of all charges. My best guess is that it's a mixed verdict - not guilty on obstruction and perjury, and guilty on false statements."

Oh yeah!

I smell a pardon! Presidentin' Iran Contra style!

Wonder what his reward will be for taking the fall for the big guys? Ambassador? Head of the EPA? PR man for the coalition of the leaving?

Good thing Bush brought back honor and integrity to the White House.

"And Sandy Burger goes free"

If you got a problem with that, take it up with the Bush administration They run the Justice department.

That's what passes for justice in this country nowadays. About the only jurors they could find that didn't have much pretrial knowledge of the case were too ignorant (as evidenced by their questions) to deliberate and judge the facts of the case. I'm sure there will be an appeal, but appeals deal only with the process and no new evidence can be introduced unless it pertains to the process rather than the case. Bush needs to mark his January 2009 calendar with a note to remind him to pardon Libby before he leaves office.

And the award for "I Still Don't Understand This" goes to...

groucho:
Wonder what his reward will be for taking the fall for the big guys? Ambassador? Head of the EPA? PR man for the coalition of the leaving?
?

I have to agree with _mike_. Talk about glaring ignorance. Not to worry, though, the newspapers will all be reporting tomorrow that he was convicted of 'outing' a covert CIA agent.

what I think is more amazing is that Clinton, who admitted to lying under oath, went free.

What was surprising to me is that the jury convicted on Tim Russert's testimony after he was shown not to even be able to remember some of his own actions and statements even after being shown his own notes.

I can't find it anywhere online, but Harry Reid released a statement that Fox News read saying this verdict held someone accountable for the manipulation of intelligence or some such ridiculous claim. He also said something about a presidential pardon.

Hey, anybody got links to liberal sites already declaring how evil and wrong and indefensible perjury and obstruction of justice in a perjury investigation is?

You know where I'm going with this, right?

Perjury is only a BAD thing when it's a Republican accused of it!

Did the judge and lawyers cry? That seems to be the new thing.

I keep hearing the name Scooter Libby when they read the guilty verdicts. I thought this was about Karl Rove? I mean, all the MSM and liberal bloggers said the Karl Rove guilty deal was a "sure thing." This is confusing. Liberals don't lie, do they?

ROFLMAO

P.S. Looking forward to Clintons upcoming trial - ya know, since he lied under oath while PRESIDENT.

Oh wait....that and stealing documents and hiding them under trucks doesn't count.

Thanks, but I think the award is premature. I don't think all the votes have been counted. It's not such a big deal, really, just another glimpse behind the curtain of the Cheney/Rove political machine. After he's pardoned though, we'll see where he ends up. Good soldiers are always rewarded in the Bush family.

I continue to be puzzled by Bush and Gonzalez.

1) Clinton lies to the Grand Jury and walks

2) Berger steals classified docs and walks

3) Two border agents are sent to prison on the word of a mexican drug dealer who's granted immunity and given mucho bennies

4) A US congressman is caught on tape (and in the fridge) taking a bribe with no apparent ramifications

5) The two largest US papers routinely devulge classified information

But Libby is convicted wrt a crime that never happened, basec on the word of several "journalists"

Bush should be ashamed and Gonzalez fired. This may be the weakest and worst AG in recent history.

Bush get out your pen and pardon the poor guy. This whole thing was a sham and everyone knows it. The jury knew that a not guilty verdict would mean less drama for their upcoming "movie."

Yawn.

Perjury is only a BAD thing when it's a Republican accused of it!
Posted by: Listkeeper at March 6, 2007 12:42 PM

I think you mean a Republican found GUILTY of it. Hahaha. This is very funny seeing you all piss and moan. Justice was served, and you all know it.

Justice was served? Not really sure about that. If the gaggle of reporters was all clear on their stories and agreed with each other (and with themselves, by the way), I could agree with you. As it stands it seems odd that this conviction was based, not on a confession or evidence, but the admittedly spotty recollections of a group of people with a proven antagonistic attitude towards the defendant. That said, it could still be true. I think most of the commenters (and writers) here are thrown mostly by the quality of the evidence and the attitude of the accusers more than anything.

P.S. Looking forward to Clintons upcoming trial - ya know, since he lied under oath while PRESIDENT.
Oh wait....that and stealing documents and hiding them under trucks doesn't count.
Posted by: Jo at March 6, 2007 12:47 PM

Yeah, I guess that lying about weapons of mass destruction doesn't either, right Jo? But, who cares if thousands of American soldiers are dead over a couple of lies, right? It's amazing how you assholes can rationalize for the criminals in the Bush Whitehouse.

The shrinking right-wing: a pathetic group of losers and whiners. LOL.

I smell a rat. This Juror, Collins ... something ain't right about him.

Maggy, we're yawning, not whining. But nice try. Now where is Rove's guilty verdict? You guys said it was a SURE THING. lol.

This would have a hell of a lot more "impact" had it not come after the Clinton administration, who it seems had half his staff get indicted.

Again, yawn.

Bush get out your pen and pardon the poor guy. This whole thing was a sham and everyone knows it. The jury knew that a not guilty verdict would mean less drama for their upcoming "movie."
Yawn.
Posted by: Jo at March 6, 2007 12:52 PM

Everyone knows it? Poor guy? Time to take your meds, dear. The ever diminishing morals of the right-wing couldn't be more evident than they are here today. You people are truly pathetic.

maggy, does lying about WMD count for all the democrats who said the same thing, including hillary? or is it only the republicans that get saddled with that responsibilty? Thought so.

I love when moonbats try to talk about morals.

"what I think is more amazing is that Clinton, who admitted to lying under oath, went free."

Free but not unpunished, "Practicing" journalist:

"On February 12, the Senate concluded a 21-day trial with the vote on both counts falling short of the Constitutional requirement of a two-thirds majority to convict and remove an office holder. The final vote was generally along party lines, with all of the votes to convict being cast by Republicans. On the perjury charge 55 senators voted to acquit, including 10 Republicans, and 45 voted to convict; on the obstruction charge the Senate voted 50-50."

(which party held the majority during that period?)

And -

Clinton was disbarred from his Arkansas law license for five years and ordered to pay $25,000 in fines to that state's bar officials. The agreement came on the condition that Whitewater prosecutors would not pursue criminal charges against him after he lied under oath about his relationship with White House intern Monica Lewinsky.

yo, you're right. What's with the drama with this juror? Looks like he's rehearsed this since day one. This guy is acting like he's vying for his own tv show, like the Anna Nicole judge.

These guys can't wait to get to the microphone for their 15 minutes. What a circus!

Jo, No, you're whining. "You guys" were sure Bill Clinton would be thrown out of office, and you haven't stopped pissing and moaning about it for eight long, boring years. Talk about yawn.

This is very funny. Thanks for the laughs.

maggy, does lying about WMD count for all the democrats who said the same thing, including hillary? or is it only the republicans that get saddled with that responsibilty? Thought so.

Posted by: D-Hoggs at March 6, 2007 01:04 PM

Oh, so you're admitting that the Preznit lied? That's a first, and about time.

Maggysturn,

Yeah, the diminishing morals of the rightwing, meanwhile we continue to pull cash out of Jefferson's freezer, as Nancy rewards him on Homeland Security panel, privy to classified info. What's next? Sandy Burglar in charge of the National Archives? lol

You guys are hilarious.

"I love when moonbats try to talk about morals."

I love it when wingnuts try to talk at all. You might be lucky enough to hear it through a full set of teeth.

Nah.

No, no, d-hoggs, you see George Bush, while governor of Texas, made the Clintons and their administration talk about Iraq's WMDs in the late 90s. Really. And if he didn't do it, then Cheney did it - in the Oval Office with the Evil Weather Machine. Or in the National Archives with The Socks. Or something like that.

Bush get out your pen and pardon the poor guy. This whole thing was a sham and everyone knows it.

Thats right. Keep defending these people as they lie, steal and kill. It doesn't matter whether it's a democrat or a republican. If you're so deluded that you're defending these people simply because they're part of your "team" you're pathetic.

And keep your head in the sand about all this. That's what you're good at. Fools.

Should Clinton have gone to jail? Why not. That was up to his prosecutors. If Nixon hung around and Ford didn't pardon him, he should have been locked up too.

The country is more important than any of these people. That's what someone like you, Jo, with your right-wing-at-all-costs mind can't grasp.

And the current President - that liar - he should be behind bars as well. Probably won't, but the case they'll make against him and Cheney isn't going to be pretty.

yo, you're right. What's with the drama with this juror? Looks like he's rehearsed this since day one. This guy is acting like he's vying for his own tv show, like the Anna Nicole judge.
These guys can't wait to get to the microphone for their 15 minutes. What a circus!
Posted by: Jo at March 6, 2007 01:05 PM

Right out of the rebuplithug talking points handbook. Attack the jury now. This is truly hilarious.

Jo, get those meds out - ya need 'em bad.

Yeah, the diminishing morals of the rightwing, meanwhile we continue to pull cash out of Jefferson's freezer, as Nancy rewards him on Homeland Security panel, privy to classified info. What's next? Sandy Burglar in charge of the National Archives? lol
You guys are hilarious.
Posted by: Jo at March 6, 2007 01:07 PM

No, Paul Wolfowitz's Medal of Freedom and appointment to the World Bank.

I was listening to a jury that went right out and faced the press. What a jerk. I kept saying to myself "keep talking" because I noticed many inconsistencies in what this jurist determined. I smell an appeal or maybe even a new trial. ww

Again, the impact would be greater, had it not come fresh off the previous administration of "I'm not sure we were ever alone" Bill Clinton.

Happy St. Fitz-Patrick Day!

hansel2:

Isn't Jo sad? So is D-Hoggs (perfect name), McLorry, and the whole lot. They're as unpatriotic as they can be - Republican party over country.

But they think they're patriotic cause they still do have those yellow "Support Our Troops" stickers on their cars - what a sham.

maggysturn, huh? put down the booze.

wildwillie, are you believing this guy? He's just a little to excited to talk. Is this so completely obvious or what? lol.

I have a gargantuan piece of cheese to accompany perhaps the largest whine in human history.

The guy had a trial, he got convicted and he has the right to an appeal. What happened to the party of personal responsibility, the law and oder party? Oh, I forgot - it was hijacked by right wing wingnuts.

And now of course lets do ad hominem attack on a juror. If you folks weren't such a barrel of laughs I'd throw up just like Jo regularly does.

Again, the impact would be greater, had it not come fresh off the previous administration of "I'm not sure we were ever alone" Bill Clinton.
Posted by: Jo at March 6, 2007 01:14 PM

Yawn. This "but, but, but, Bill Clinton" crap is 8 years old. Jo, you're like Henny Youngman - ya need new material.

The guy had a trial, he got convicted and he has the right to an appeal.

Very true.

This is a travesty!

All the reporters couldn't keep their own stories straight and either contradicted one another, or they couldn't recall...Yet Libby gets convicted on the basis that the reporters' were more 'credible'?

Of course, the Andrea Mitchell testimony was never heard, and the judge decided to change the meaning of 'Reasonable Doubt' to make a conviction easier.

If you folks weren't such a barrel of laughs I'd throw up just like Jo regularly does.

Posted by: Hugh at March 6, 2007 01:16 PM

That's from Jo's meds....

No maggie, I am not saying they lied, I am saying that republicans and democrats alike went on what intelligence we had at the time, they argued the same exact points. yet somehow only the republicans are lying? please explain how that works. hypocrite.

"I love it when wingnuts try to talk at all. You might be lucky enough to hear it through a full set of teeth."

Case in point!

Looking forward to seeing the party registrations of the jury. I smell book deals!

Notice that Fitzgerald said Plame was CLASSIFIED. He didn't say COVERT.

Bingo!

You really need to put that crack pipe down, Maggysturn...

Of course, the Andrea Mitchell testimony was never heard, and the judge decided to change the meaning of 'Reasonable Doubt' to make a conviction easier.
Posted by: hermie at March 6, 2007 01:19 PM

What????? Hermie, have you been stealing Jo's meds again? Seriously, you right-wingers need serious help. Help!!!

LOL, I mean, LOTS of LOL.

"You really need to put that crack pipe down, Maggysturn..."

Seconded! Good lord.

Jo, the jurist is probably still talking to the reporters. I say more power to him. Let him go on and on. He obviously did not understand the instructions from the judge. ww

maggy,

first off, I brought up the juror, not Jo. Keep your victims straight, why don'tcha'.

secondly, ***w me. All I said was that something about this guy doesn't strike me as being right. I didn't attack the guy, or the jury.

thirdly, you make it sound as though "republithugs" (a childish slur, at best - what time is recess over? protect your lunch money, kiddo) are the only ones to use such tactics. PUH-lease ... you guys are still miffed over some stolen election, two, actually. And let's not forget the Swift Boat fellas.

The hypocricy of the left knows no bounds.

After following along with the daily updates at FireDogLake and JustOneMinute, I don't see how justice was served today. You have a he/she said argument with nothing concrete. You have witnesses who couldn't recall things, then recalled them and in some cases contradicted what they originally thought, but the accused is the only one charged and now convicted of perjury.

Clearly the judge, jury, prosecutor, all the witnesses, and the court stenographer are all in on the massive liberal conspiracy.

And Bill Clinton is fat! And, umm....Mary Jo Kopechne!

D-Hoggs,

The democrats (Hillary included) were too much of wimps to challenge the lies (yes, lies) from the Bush Whitehouse, and now they're scrambling to cover their asses. And I hope they pay dearly for it.
George Bush lied about WMDs, and as soon as you admit it to yourself (as hard as that might be in your double-wide), you'll be out of that paltry 27% who still support that moron.

But, who cares? Scooter (never trust a grown man with that name) was found guilty - just as he should have been.

wildwillie, I hope that juror is on the news. People will see right through that "enthusiasm." Random House, here's my number!! lol.

I'm still wondering where the Karl Rove indictment is. We were PROMISED by the libbys (no pun intended) lol.

From the top of Drudge:

JUROR: WE HAD SYMPATHY FOR LIBBY, HE WAS THE FALL-GUY, WHERE WAS ROVE, WHERE WERE THE OTHERS...? SOME JURORS SAID 'THIS SUCKS, WE WISH WE WEREN'T JUDGING LIBBY'...

That comment is amazing and should be distressing to everyone. Why would the jury even be discussing this. What a sham.

This is a travesty. A clear co-conspirator in war crimes is only convicted of perjury and obstruction. The most pathetic and dangerous administration that has overseen the horrors of an illegal and immoral war while ignoring all the concerns at home (new orleans, walter reed, health care, illegal immigration)should have far more charges and ultimate convictions brought upon it. From malfeasance, to war profiteering, to war crimes and you sad deluded souls still bring up Clinton and whine how unfair it all is. You right wingers are a pathetic lot. Why do you reactionary conservative morons hate America so much?

Posted by: yo at March 6, 2007 01:23 PM

"***w me?" Now that's very adult of you. You attacked the juror. Nuff said. Another right-wing loser who can't accept the truth.

Defending the "Swift Boat fellas"? Again, nuff said.

The hypocrisy of the right knows no bounds.

An even more confused than usual Lorie Byrd chirped:

what I think is more amazing is that Clinton, who admitted to lying under oath, went free.

Umm, Clinton never admitted any such thing, and why should he -- he never technically lied. He was evasive and he engaged in word play, but he never legally lied, regardless of how much it's been engraved into right wing lore that he did. And let's not forget that Clinton's business involved only an office dallance between consenting adults, whereas Libby was involved at the least in obstructing and lying to government investigators looking into the outing of a CIA agent

You are truly delusional!!! I am so sure hillary was too scared to voice decension, HAH!! I'd like to know how GWB can be a stupid chimp and yet at the same time be so all powerfull that no democrat wants to disagree with him, in fact quite the opposite, they all wanted to agree with him!! It's incredible, please explain that. And I love the typical liberal childish comments about double-wides and missing teeth. I'd venture to guess I come from a MUCH wealthier and educated background than you maggy, are you typing from your bed at the abortion clinic? See, I can throw out stupid slurs as well.

From the top of Drudge:

JUROR: WE HAD SYMPATHY FOR LIBBY, HE WAS THE FALL-GUY, WHERE WAS ROVE, WHERE WERE THE OTHERS...? SOME JURORS SAID 'THIS SUCKS, WE WISH WE WEREN'T JUDGING LIBBY'...
That comment is amazing and should be distressing to everyone. Why would the jury even be discussing this. What a sham.

Posted by: J.R. at March 6, 2007 01:28 PM

From Drudge? Well that's an unbiased source! LOL.

If it is true, than I guess that blows Jo's "where's Rove's indicment?" argument out of the water. Thanks, JR.

Now mantis, if you want to talk about conspiracy theories, what will the lefties do if these stories come true (from Drudge also):

Will a blood clot force Cheney to step down?

Yeah just in time to avoid impeachment!!

CIA: FRESH LEADS IN HUNT FOR BIN LADEN...

Just in time to get the libby stuff off the front page!! /sarcasm

jesus you are dense maggy, he was pointing out your complete hypocrisy in saying republicans whine about the 8year old Clinton affair, while democrats do nothing but whine about swiftboating and stolen elections. its called reading comprehension, get you some.

Hugh:

I have a gargantuan piece of cheese to accompany perhaps the largest whine in human history.

Hughbie, the 2000 Presidential election has been over for a long time. It's a little late to be bringing food for the that party.

J.R. OMG! That is just bizarre. That makes this even MORE of a sham. Why are they even talking about Rove??

This now COMPLETELY REEKS. Good! Americans are seeing right through it.

I'd venture to guess I come from a MUCH wealthier and educated background than you maggy, are you typing from your bed at the abortion clinic? See, I can throw out stupid slurs as well.

Posted by: D-Hoggs at March 6, 2007 01:30 PM

OK, Hoggs. You're better educated? Than please tell me why you can't spell (see above). Hahaha.

"And let's not forget that Clinton's business involved only an office dallance [sic] between consenting adults"

BC

Clinton was impeached for lying under oath about the dallinaces (during the Paula Jones investigation), not for the dalliances, themselves.

... let's not forget, indeed.

"He was evasive and he engaged in word play, but he never legally lied, regardless of how much it's been engraved into right wing lore that he did."

Oh! That makes it alright, then(?). Remember that analogy the next time you want to split hairs with the whole "Bush Lied People Died" horse apples.

"The democrats (Hillary included) were too much of wimps to challenge the lies (yes, lies) from the Bush Whitehouse, and now they're scrambling to cover their asses. And I hope they pay dearly for it. "

Umm. this was the 90's moron.

-

"Umm, Clinton never admitted any such thing, and why should he -- he never technically lied."

"I did not have sex with that woman" wasn't a lie? What the hell planet are we on? He just had sex with her dress?

What's wrong with you people? Just accept it. The senior advisor to Vice President Dick Cheney lied and deceived prosecutors. That is a criminal offense.

Bill Clinton? He doesn't matter. That was 7 years in the past. Bring him up all you want, but it is not relevant, no matter how you want to claim lack of fairness.

This Juror? What is it? You have NOTHING else to shrill about so you have to start concentrating on this person? Just sad.

Your country should not be beneath your reverence to these jerks in office. If they are, I suggest you go somewhere where that kind of mindset is acceptable - like 1930's Germany.

That you don't see the similarities in your lemming-like actions is pure ignorance.

maggy, calm down a little and take a breath. I believe that is a compilation of things stated by the juror being interviewed. It was about what was being said in the deliberations. I've seen it elsewhere, I just copied it from Drudge and wanted to give credit. Sheesh.

J.R. what do you want to bet that Fitzgerald wants to shut that juror up??!!!

They are going to blabber so much and reveal their true motives. Yeeeehaw. Get them on Larry King, pronto!

This now COMPLETELY REEKS. Good! Americans are seeing right through it.

Posted by: Jo at March 6, 2007 01:35 PM

No, Jo, no one is "seeing through it". The 27% who are stupid enough to still support Bush are just trying to create a conspiracy out of a jury's correct decision.

"I did not have sex with that woman" wasn't a lie? What the hell planet are we on? He just had sex with her dress?

Posted by: Falze at March 6, 2007 01:35 PM

Bwahahahahahahahah.... maggy, keep talking, you're hilarious.

Now that's very adult of you. You attacked the juror. Nuff said. Another right-wing loser who can't accept the truth.

Defending the "Swift Boat fellas"? Again, nuff said.

The hypocrisy of the right knows no bounds.
Posted by: maggysturn

I'm just lowering myself to your level so that you'll understand me. It's difficult to speak slowly on the 'net.

Otherwise, d-hogg did well in explaining to you how you're off your nut, and completely spinning my words.

What's wrong mags? Can't get time in the HuffPo echo chamber?

Now mantis, if you want to talk about conspiracy theories, what will the lefties do if these stories come true (from Drudge also):

Well, I was talking about hand-waving, not conspiracy theories, but I wouldn't be surprised if some "lefties" did jump on those stories as you predict (eh, maybe not the bin Laden one; it would take more than that to get the media off of the Libby train).

Yes, Bush, pardon the guy because he's a Republican and he served you well. And since you were all in the jury and at the trial you all know everything that was said and therefore may pass judgement on decisions. Yes, bring up Clinton one more time and play tit for tat because that is all too relevant. Poor 'pugs have been getting their asses handed to them because this administration is flailing ruderlessly and somehow need to blame liberals or bring up the past where a liberal walked when he should have been punished. Next time maybe don't create a false war that bankrupts the country and do what you're good at: Saving people a little money at tax time. Also, don't try to convince the world that earth is only 6,000 years old. That does not help your cause.

Everyone, can we please put the Bill Clinton comparisons to bed (OK bad joke). Clinton was impeached and punished for his perjury. It's way in the past.

There are plenty of things to discuss about this case and verdict, Bill Clinton is not one of them.

"The democrats (Hillary included) were too much of wimps to challenge the lies (yes, lies) from the Bush Whitehouse, and now they're scrambling to cover their asses. And I hope they pay dearly for it. "

Umm. this was the 90's moron.
Posted by: Falze at March 6, 2007 01:35 PM

Wow, talk about an idiot. That wasn't in the 90's pal. Jo is spreading the meds all around today, huh?

everyone just shut up! and shut that juror up! i want to enjoy 5 minutes of feeling good about my party. and recess is almost over

please don't spoil this for me!!!!!

What's wrong mags? Can't get time in the HuffPo echo chamber?

Posted by: yo at March 6, 2007 01:39 PM

No, Yo. I love science fiction, so I come to Wizbang. But that's awfully nice of you to stick up for Hoggs.

Rush is on a roll. A caller asked the same question brought-up here: Why was Libby prosecuted and Burglar not?".

Rush said, the Justice Department doesn't work for Bush (cabinet level department)?

He also said that there is a government wide conspiracy in the CIA, Pentagon and State Department (lead by Democrats) to undermine the Bush administration.

See, now you know why Libby was convicted.

everyone just shut up! and shut that juror up! i want to enjoy 5 minutes of feeling good about my party. and recess is almost over
please don't spoil this for me!!!!!
Posted by: maggysturn at March 6, 2007 01:41 PM

Now that's mature of you. And completely evasive of debate. Jay Tea?

Yes, I guess the echo chamber at Arianna Huffington is too crowded. Plus I hear that Arianna is busy shutting down the comment site about Cheney's blood cot. The lefties know the venom of their own party, and sometimes they're just downright ashamed.

And they should be. Me loves them tolerant and compassionate libs! ha ha.

maggy, it appears you have and a few to many turns. Perhaps you should absent yourself from motorcycle enthuiast parties as the drugs and sex are starting to tell on your already questionable judgement. I defy you to recall any converation you had on any matter as little as a year ago, and then jeopardize youself to the extent that you could spend 5 years for every mistake you make in that memory. Base the charge agaist you on the recollections of others who in the persuit of truth, reveal faulty memories of their own, yet their memories are accepted as truth. Game for one more turn Maggy?

mags, no offense, toots - but you're not worth it, any more.

Zelsdorf, bwahahahahahah...

The good news is that everyone is re-discussing the Joe Wilson lies. One pundit is now going through this lie by lie by Joe Wilson.

It's time we revisited this con artist.

Oooo, I tried to write descension instead of dissension while typing fast in the middle of doing work. Good one maggy, by the way, what is an "indicment"?! Also, you might want to learn the difference between the words "than" and "then" if you are going to try to claim someone else uneducated. I'll let it slide this time since I'm sure the crack doesn't help.

C'mon, guys. Leave Maggy alone. She's in such a froth she's misspelling her own name.

Posted by: maggyturn at March 6, 2007 01:45 PM

mags, no offense, toots - but you're not worth it, any more.

Posted by: yo at March 6, 2007 01:46 PM

That's it Yo, run. Isn't that what Cheney and Bush did during Vietnam?

And just an hour ago, Fitzgerald answered a question about Plame's status and said Plame was classified. He did not say COVERT.

Case closed on that point. About damn time.

C'mon, guys. Leave Maggy alone. She's in such a froth she's misspelling her own name.

Posted by: maggyturn at March 6, 2007 01:45 PM
Posted by: _Mike_ at March 6, 2007 01:48 PM

That was another poster, you moron. Jay Tea?

Now that's mature of you. And completely evasive of debate. Jay Tea?
Posted by: maggyturn

Now that is hilarious!! All of a sudden you want to be mature maggy? Sorry, I couldn't tell from my double-wide that that was the case. Hypocrite.

You know, i just back from 10 glorious, sun-filled days on the Maya Rivera in Mexico and it's nice to know two things: 1.) The world hasn't changed and, 2.) The government still wastes our hard-earned money on BS trials like this one...

Your country should not be beneath your reverence to these jerks in office. If they are, I suggest you go somewhere where that kind of mindset is acceptable - like 1930's Germany.

Wow, I think that's the most subtle Godwin I've ever seen.

maggy, it appears you have and a few to many turns. Perhaps you should absent yourself from motorcycle enthuiast parties as the drugs and sex are starting to tell on your already questionable judgement. I defy you to recall any converation you had on any matter as little as a year ago, and then jeopardize youself to the extent that you could spend 5 years for every mistake you make in that memory. Base the charge agaist you on the recollections of others who in the persuit of truth, reveal faulty memories of their own, yet their memories are accepted as truth. Game for one more turn Maggy?
Posted by: Zelsdorf Ragshaft III at March 6, 2007 01:45 PM

Hahahahaha. I see you had the same English teacher that Hoggs had (see 1st grade level spelling and grammer mistakes above).

I was going to post in this thread, but it seems I left my machete at home. Oh well.

" I see you had the same English teacher that Hoggs had (see 1st grade level spelling and grammer mistakes above).
Posted by: maggysturn"

HAHAHAHAAHA!! 1st grade grammar mistakes such as using the word "than" instead of "then" maggy?!!

"Than please tell me why you can't spell (see above). Hahaha.
Posted by: maggysturn"

When does the Armitage trial begin?

Oh yeah, she was classified, not covert. No crime. Ooops.

Rush update II, Armatage and Powell were out to get Bush!

How about spelling "indictment", "indicment" maggy?! Fucking classic!

How about spelling "indictment", "indicment" maggy?! Fucking classic!

Falze openly wrote:

"I did not have sex with that woman" wasn't a lie? What the hell planet are we on? He just had sex with her dress?

A "blow job" isn't considered technically "having sex," especially about the young and with players like Clinton. Calling it "oral sex" doesn't make it having sex either. If a virgin gives someone a blow job, she's still a virgin afterwards. This is called "technical virginity".

But I'm sure the obviously worldly people of this pale land know all about this....

Oh yeah, she was classified, not covert. No crime. Ooops.

Gee, I've been hearing for years how journalists should go to prison for revealing classified information. Guess that only applies to them, not the leakers.

That's it Yo, run. Isn't that what Cheney and Bush did during Vietnam?

Posted by: maggysturn

If you've ever read my posts, here, you'd know that I don't run from anything - especially small minded, "holier than thou" "liberal" trolls.

Then again, I don't consider it worthy of my time to exchange barbs with a shifty slag, such as yourself, whose best political criteria is regurgitating easily dismissed rhetoric that she picked up in an ideological backroom pisshole.

BC,

You're right. Clinton never lied.

Hey, has Billy gotten his law license back yet? The one that was revoked. Or whatever the hell he got yanked. (oops - another non intended pun) lol.

But he did nothing wrong. Always remember that. Presidents with a law degree routinely get their privileges revoked.

Ann Coulter
1/2-Hour News Hour
Libby Guilty

Man FOX is having a bad couple of days! What next, we find out the Administration is treating our wounded solders like shi.., wait, that already happened.

Maybe they will get lucky and B. Spears will join al Qaeda by 4PM?

C'mon, guys. Leave Maggy alone. She's in such a froth she's misspelling her own name.

Posted by: maggyturn at March 6, 2007 01:45 PM
Posted by: _Mike_ at March 6, 2007 01:48 PM

That was another poster, you moron. Jay Tea?
Posted by: maggyturn at March 6, 2007 01:49 PM

You do realize that you posted your denial that you misspelled your own name and signed it, misspelling your name?

"The democrats (Hillary included) were too much of wimps to challenge the lies (yes, lies) from the Bush Whitehouse, and now they're scrambling to cover their asses. And I hope they pay dearly for it. "

Umm. this was the 90's moron.
Posted by: Falze at March 6, 2007 01:35 PM

Wow, talk about an idiot. That wasn't in the 90's pal. Jo is spreading the meds all around today, huh?

I won't even dig deeper than this moronsturn:

"Bill Clinton > February 17, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace, and we have to use force, our purpose is clear: We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."

I believe that 1998 was in the 90s and Bush was not President at the time. Care to dig a deeper hole, moron?

That's it Yo, run.
Posted by: maggysturn

Uhhh, hello, maggy? Where did YOU run too? You've got some 1st grade spelling and grammar mistakes to answer for. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

That's it Yo, run.
Posted by: maggysturn

Uhhh, hello, maggy? Where did YOU run too? You've got some 1st grade spelling and grammar mistakes to answer for. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

Posted by: D-Hoggs at March 6, 2007 02:01 PM

Doesn't even make sense, but that's Hogg for you.

MikeSC, Ha! I just noticed that!

Libs are just liars and idiots. What can ya do? (shaking head)

You people are still pushing that oral sex wasn't sex. Why exactly don't we call it 'oral almost but not quite sex' then? Un-effing-believable.

You do realize that you posted your denial that you misspelled your own name and signed it, misspelling your name?

Posted by: _Mike_ at March 6, 2007 01:59 PM

Wow. You sure got me there. But, there's breaking news: Libby is STILL guilty. Hahahahahahahahahahaha

Wow, is this thread useless. Grow up people. And please for the love of christ, bite the bullet and ignore maggy.

maggysturn/maggyturn:
Wow. You sure got me there.

Okay, so now that we've established you're an idiot and a liar.. proceed...

So maggy you are going to sit there and pretend like you didn't just try to call people out for 1st grade spelling and grammar mistakes? Right after you wrote "indicment" and used the word "than" instead of "then"? And now you are admitting that your reading comprehension is so awful you can't understand what I wrote?! Absolutely pathetic. Hypocrite.

Well, I won my bet.

Not that Libby would be found guilty (although that was a likely result from the start), but that rational discussion would be impossible when a verdict came down, regardless of the verdict.

With the prosecutor declaring that he doesn't foresee filing any further charges, it winds up both a win and lose in everyones column. It'll take a month or so for most of the rational pundits on both sides to draw that conclusion, but it's coming.

"What next, we find out the Administration is treating our wounded solders like shi.., wait, that already happened.
Posted by: BarneyG2000"

Barney, who was it that cut the defense budget by $50 billion between 1992 and 2000, effectively diverting funds from the VA to where it was needed more for troops in the field?

One juror, Denis Collins, said "there was a tremendous amount of sympathy for Mr. Libby on the jury.

"It was said, 'Where's Rove, where are these other guys?'

"We're not saying that we didn't think Mr. Libby was guilty of the things we found him guilty of. It seemed like he was the fall guy," Collins said.

By the way, here's the full quote from the juror. Notice that he says "We're not saying that we didn't think Mr. Libby was guilty"...?

They can't ignore me J.R. The truth hurts them way too much to ignore.

Have a great day folks! Off to the ACLU Meeting! Hahahaha

Okay, so now that we've established you're an idiot and a liar.. proceed...

Posted by: _Mike_ at March 6, 2007 02:07 PM

Mike, you're hilarious. You need to be a comedy writer.

Well, I won my bet.

Not that Libby would be found guilty (although that was a likely result from the start), but that rational discussion would be impossible when a verdict came down, regardless of the verdict.

Short odds on that one, no doubt ;). What'd you win? A headache?

Barney, who was it that cut the defense budget by $50 billion between 1992 and 2000, effectively diverting funds from the VA to where it was needed more for troops in the field?

Posted by: D-Hoggs at March 6, 2007 02:09 PM

Who was it? The Republican controlled congress, that's who.

Aaaaaaand maggy skips out after being exposed for the frigging idiot she is, and without answering for her pathetic spelling and grammar mistakes she likes to call others out for. Don't remember anyone else here spelling their own name wrong!! Typical.

Who was it? The Republican controlled congress, that's who.
Posted by: babsbush at March 6, 2007 02:13 PM

Under the Clinton Administration. If its good enough to blame all things that happen during the Bush Admin. on Bush, then why does it not apply to Clinton? Ridiculous.

Maggy be sure and tell that ACLU guy Rust-Tierney (the one caught with child rape porn videos) hello for all of us!

You were a hoot. Sorry to see you go!

Naw, I'm right here Hoggs. Would you like to re-enter the debate about Libby's guilt?

"diverting funds from the VA"-Hogg

D-Hogg, tell me where in the VA budget the funds were cut for Walter Reed?

It is a trick question, Walter Reed does not receive VA funds to treat active duty personnel.

Another brilliant comment from the hogg.

Happy St. Fitz-Patrick Day

mantis,
Short odds on that one, no doubt ;). What'd you win? A headache?

Yeah, pretty much.

Uh, the dems controlled the presidency, House and Senate for the first 2 years of the Clinton presidency. Boy, the libs have a terrible memory problem.

Who was it? The Republican controlled congress, that's who.
Posted by: babsbush at March 6, 2007 02:13 PM
Under the Clinton Administration. If its good enough to blame all things that happen during the Bush Admin. on Bush, then why does it not apply to Clinton? Ridiculous.
Posted by: D-Hoggs at March 6, 2007 02:15 PM

Because Bill Clinton has been out of office for 7 years. And after the debacle at Walter Reed, I think that's sort of a moot point.

No maggy, I'd like you to explain why you are above your very own criticisms?

Uh, the dems controlled the presidency, House and Senate for the first 2 years of the Clinton presidency. Boy, the libs have a terrible memory problem.

Posted by: Jo at March 6, 2007 02:19 PM

And the other 6 years? It's unbelievable how dumb the right-wing is.

No maggy, I'd like you to explain why you are above your very own criticisms?

Posted by: D-Hoggs at March 6, 2007 02:19 PM

Wasn't that you who claimed to be from a "wealthier and better educated" background?

D-Hogg, tell me where in the VA budget the funds were cut for Walter Reed?
It is a trick question, Walter Reed does not receive VA funds to treat active duty personnel.
Another brilliant comment from the hogg.
Happy St. Fitz-Patrick Day
Posted by: BarneyG2000

And the problem has been at outpatient VA facilities, not at the actual Walter Reed hospital barney. Brilliant yourself there buddy.

Nope, I said, I'd venture to guess, given your lunatic rantings. And that changes the fact that you make spelling and grammar errors while at the same time calling out others for the same how now? Can't even spell your own name. Pathetic.

Barney, who was it that cut the defense budget by $50 billion between 1992 and 2000, effectively diverting funds from the VA to where it was needed more for troops in the field?

Posted by: D-Hoggs at March 6, 2007 02:09 PM

Who was it? The Republican controlled congress, that's who.

Posted by: babsbush at March 6, 2007 02:13 PM

Like I said, the dems controlled everything the first two years of the Clinton presidency. Where is our nirvana?

In maggysturn's, and Clinton's, defense, the judgement that there was a "peace dividend" following the end of the Cold War was fairly bipartisan.

Both sides were wrong.

In maggysturn's, and Clinton's, defense, the judgement that there was a "peace dividend" following the end of the Cold War was fairly bipartisan.

Do not interrupt the poo-fling fest--err, spelling bee.

Yes John, but if you are in their defense, you are saying it is all the republicans fault.

D-Hoggs, I am saying the Republicans bear as much responsibility as the Democrats for that failure to accurately read the tea leaves.

This is O/T but can you believe John Edwards said that "we" shouldn't be rewarding childish, hateful bigoted language? (meaning Ann Coulter's remark)...

Oh no, I guess we shouldn't "reward" it, just HIRE those who use it. Hiring is not rewarding, right?

Oh yeah, and he said Jesus would be appalled at the selfishness of the United States.

Huh? I wonder if Jesus thinks Edwards needs a 28,000 square foot mansion for 4 people?

You can't make this stuff up.

And the problem has been at outpatient VA facilities, not at the actual Walter Reed hospital barney. Brilliant yourself there buddy." by d-hogg

From WaPo article (these are active duty troops):

"Almost 700 of them -- the majority soldiers, with some Marines -- have been released from hospital beds but still need treatment or are awaiting bureaucratic decisions before being discharged or returned to active duty."

Hogg, wrong again. Please give-up, you have already made enough of a fool out of yourself.

Happy St. Fitz-Patrick Day

Barney are you kidding? Your own quote says it, "have been released from hospital beds but still need treatment" meaning they are not at the in-patient Walter Reed facility but at outpatient facilities!

John, I got what you're saying, my point was that maggy et. al. blame all on the republicans, so to defend them would be doing the same.

Hogg, the outpatient facilities is still part of Walter Reed treating active duty NOT veterans, and is under the Pentagon budget, and not veteran affairs

I warned you to stop. Hee-Haw

Barney, I'm glad to see you out there advocating AGAINST any sort of government run universal health care system.

Kudos to you for at least seeing that.

I'm not sure what you're trying to point out here barney , cause all you're doing is proving my point that the $50 billion in defense cuts took away from all areas of military medical care, which was my original point if you'd like to read back.

It is so obvious that the democratically controlled house and senate should be ashamed of itself for letting Walter Reed Hospital go down. Under their leadership, the neglect of oversight by the chairperson's of the respective committees should resign. Shameful display by the democrats. What pathetic leaders. ww

Like I said, the dems controlled everything the first two years of the Clinton presidency.

Are we STILL talking about Clinton? Wasn't it Libby who was convicted today? Why are we talking about Clinton, who has nothing to do with this conviction.

You can talk about how bad Nixon was in comparison, or how Johnson gave us the Gulf of Tonkin. Maybe about how corrupt Warren Harding's administration was. You can talk about all these things and try to make comparisons and minimize the Libby case, but it's all sour grapes.

Scooter Libby is a criminal. He will get what he deserves. Anyone defending him at this point is naive fool - and there's NOTHING you ultra right-wing idiots can say that will make this go away.

Get with the program. Your beloved administration is made up of crooks and liars. The more you defend them, the stupider you look. And by the way -- I'm right and you're wrong on this - and you always will be.

Let's stay on topic, folks. This thread is about Libby's conviction, not the VA or military health care systems.

I love how the lefties tell us not to talk about the Clinton administration anymore.

Uh, let's see, someone named Hillary Clinton is running for POTUS. I think talking about the Clinton administration and their crimes is VERY relevant, thank you very much.

Next.

"I'm not sure what you're trying to point out here barney , cause all you're doing is proving my point that the $50 billion in defense cuts took away from all areas of military medical care, which was my original point if you'd like to read back." D-hogg

No you did not you liar:
Barney, who was it that cut the defense budget by $50 billion between 1992 and 2000, effectively diverting funds from the VA to where it was needed more for troops in the field?

Posted by: D-Hoggs at March 6, 2007 02:09 PM

You did not say all areas of military care, you said "VA"

And then you wrote this?
"And the problem has been at outpatient VA facilities, not at the actual Walter Reed hospital barney."

You keep pointing to the VA, and my original post was:
"reating our wounded solders" not veterans!

Hee-Haw

"And by the way -- I'm right and you're wrong on this - and you always will be."
Posted by: hansel2

Typical childish lefty rant. "I'm right and you're wrong times infinity! Nanny nanny boo-boo (sticks tongue out while holding soiled diaper up)"

You're right Kim, we need to get back to the topic of this sham of a verdict.

That camera hogging juror who said Libby was the fall guy and what about the rest of the administration? just inadvertently revealed what this is all about.

Politics and 15 minutes of fame.

Yes barney, I said that VA funds were diverted, because of defense cuts that hurt ALL areas. I forgot I had to spell it out. And you are the one that brought up walter reed which is why I responded to it. If this is all about Walter Reed like you say, then why is the entire VA hospital system being investigated?

D-Hoggs, lol. I think Hansel is a republican masquerading as a lib, b/c not even a lib would want to behave so immaturely in front of all of us.

What do you want to bet that the camera hogging juror is already dreaming about who will play him in the movie?

Forgot to spell it out again for you barney, defense cuts means that the pentagon had to divert funds as well, get it yet?

Uh, let's see, someone named Hillary Clinton is running for POTUS. I think talking about the Clinton administration and their crimes is VERY relevant, thank you very much.

Uh, not in this thread. This is about Libby being convicted. If you have some evidence that he didn't do what he was accused of doing, please provide it. Otherwise, trying to compare and contrast means nothing. Clinton is of no consequence on this subject and doesn't diminish Libby's crimes.

And as I said, if Clinton was thrown in jail for an identical crime, so be it. Doesn't diminish Libby's crime - and it doesn't make your rant any less desperate.

And what do you want to bet that the "we are private people and just want to be left alone" Joe Wilson is on every network and cable news show he can get on tonight?

And libs actually believe these kinds of people. lol.

I think Hansel is a republican masquerading as a lib, b/c not even a lib would want to behave so immaturely in front of all of us.

Whether I'm republican or a democrat is of no consequence when someone commits a crime against this country and this democracy. Leave it to you, Jo, to ONLY see things in terms of black and white - and your party. That is why your posts are so nasty, self-absorbed and ultimately weak. Pathetic.

and it doesn't make your rant any less desperate.
Posted by: hansel2 at March 6, 2007 03:24 PM

Desperate saaaay...like this?

"And by the way -- I'm right and you're wrong on this - and you always will be."

Hansel, very funny coming from the side that everytime we get news of a terrorist plot thwarted, turns the subject to "Bush did this to distract from (fill in the blank)......

Nice try. I still think you're doing a good job masquerading as a liberal idiot. (wink wink)

Forgot to spell it out again for you barney, defense cuts means that the pentagon had to divert funds as well, get it yet?

Posted by: D-Hoggs at March 6, 2007 03:22 PM

You wrote:
"..effectively diverting funds from the VA"

You dumb-ass, the VA is not part of the Department of Defense. The budget for DOD does not effect the VA.

Stop digging Hee-Haw

D-Hoggs, lol.

It's fun messin' with 'em, ain't it? :)

Desperate saaaay...like this? "And by the way -- I'm right and you're wrong on this - and you always will be."

That's not desperate, Hoggs. That's confident certainty based on fact. Have you heard of facts? Probably not, if you're so in love with this criminal truth-distorter of a President.

Can you point to ONE time that I said the VA WAS part of the DOD barney? I think not. You have serious comprehension problems.

hansel, please give us evidence for your facts that you are right and people here will "always" be wrong on this. Thought so.

Libby's convicted. Committed a crime against this country. That's a fact.

Arguing to diminish this crime, comparing it anything else and whining about how it doesn't matter - these are the wrong arguments.

Sorry if you don't understand the logic of this. Gotta get your head our of your arse to do so.