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A declaration of war

Sometimes, I look at the extremists on both sides of the political spectrum, and wonder what the hell happened to human decency. Then I see how others react to the nutcases, and I realize that while it might not be as prevalent as it once was, it is still as strong as ever in some people.

Hopefully, strong enough.

LT SMASH is one of those moral touchstones to me. When he is get worried about something, I take that as a hell of a strong indicator that I should worry, too. And right now, he's worried.

I'm several hundred miles away, working on the day in question, and can't afford the trip anyway. But I wish like hell I could be there -- even if not a damned thing happens.

I'm hoping it won't.

I believe it won't. The nutcases on the left are very brave, as long as they have overwhelming numbers on their side. But if there is anywhere near even numbers opposing them, they prefer to call off their plans and gripe about the "jackbooted fascists" preventing them from exercising their rights to "speak" and "peacably assemble" -- while quietly disavowing their clear intention to do neither.

If nothing else, A Gathering Of Eagles ought to be an excellent chance to meet some fine, outstanding, civic-minded individuals who have the courage to stand up for what they consider right and proper. And that alone ought to be worth the trip.


Comments (48)

The extremists on the right... (Below threshold)
Ted:

The extremists on the right are going to have a field day with "Drag Queen" Rudy Giuliani: http://www.solidpolitics.com

Plans to spray paint the Vi... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Plans to spray paint the Vietnam War memorial? Don't question thier patriotism.

Yes, but looking at the cur... (Below threshold)
John Irving:

Yes, but looking at the current trends, it's not the extremists who will be picking the next Republican candidate for President.

As a moderate, I find his sense of humor refreshing, and the fact that he's also willing to be a complete jerk when it's needed.

The nutcases on t... (Below threshold)
Dan Irving:
The nutcases on the left are very brave, as long as they have overwhelming numbers on their side. But if there is anywhere near even numbers opposing them, they prefer to call off their plans and gripe about the "jackbooted fascists" preventing them from exercising their rights to "speak" and "peacably assemble" -- while quietly disavowing their clear intention to do neither.

Reminds me of the first Black Donnellys episode:

Kevin: Me and Jimmy went downtown with goodness in our hearts to work out a deal. But Louis starts threatening me. I mean, what was I supposed to do?
Tommy: Kevin, everybody knows who did this. You kidnap somebody, they're not supposed to know who you are.
Kevin: Tommy, you think we're stupid. We wore masks.
Tommy: You went down there with goodness in your hearts but you wore masks??

Don't question thier patrio... (Below threshold)
yo:

Don't question thier patriotism.

Posted by: Heralder


.. and don't forget that they support the troops, just not the war.

But, it's certainly alright to desecrate the memories of soldiers, a good portion of which were drafted, to comment on a war fought by volunteers.

Whatever.

Glad you nutcakes found som... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Glad you nutcakes found some new to be terrified about.

My guess is that the leftists will be shopping for yellow-cake uranium very near the memorial -- what do you say we just imprison them all, strip them of their rights, and hold them without trial indefinitely....

Sound like a plan?

I plan to do but I think I ... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

I plan to do but I think I better wear gloves as I might be called upon to do a little boxing. I am getting a little older now so I have to get my KO shots in early. See you there.

Lee's equating US citizens ... (Below threshold)

Lee's equating US citizens peacefully protesting with non-Geneva combatants captured trying to kill our guys again.

Apparently, the distinction escapes him.

Ooops, my bad. The first l... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Ooops, my bad. The first line of the above post should have said I plan to go. Typo corrected.

Lee, are you going to be th... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Lee, are you going to be there. Zels asks with glee. If so, please wear something destinctive. Like pink with red trim. You know, your abby-normal outfit. And that tall pointy dunce cap you always have on would be a sure standout. I am looking forward to seeing you there briefly.

Lee, this was probably a th... (Below threshold)
John Irving:

Lee, this was probably a thread you needed to stay out of. Your automatic bellicosity makes it appear as if you side with those who would desecrate a war memorial, when based on previous statements you've made such is not the case.

Consider how you reacted to Coulter's statements, and then consider that for most Americans, calling a politican a childish insult is a far lesser thing than appearing to endorse defacing the Vietnam Memorial.

Lee,Indeed, nothin... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Lee,

Indeed, nothing to be concerned with. After all, there's no precedent for this happening ever before.

Just all wingnut conjecture and fear-mongering.

If they spray paint the wal... (Below threshold)
Richard Romano:

If they spray paint the walls, trust me...the American people will turn their backs on these kooks and say enough is enough...let them try!

These are the same types that go to places like Iraq as peacemakers, not realizing they create more war and havoc...until the military comes to their rescue.

What a joke these peaceniks are.

"if you side with those ... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"if you side with those who would desecrate a war memorial".

Of course I don't, and neither does the "the left". Some anonymous person posts an idle threat and the right is righteously indignant.

Spare me. This is just the right's attempt to get the lazy conservatives out of the Barca-Loungers and out on the streets with picket signs. I can see jhow66 now, his Depends diapers dropping around his knees as he ties himself to the memorial to protect it from the eeeveeel leftists... lol

Let's see how many people actually show up for this - it should be a laughable number.

Lee, sounds like your suffe... (Below threshold)
John Irving:

Lee, sounds like your suffering from the same limited imagination you accuse those of the Right of having.

Although I did let out a rather work-inappropriate laugh at your description of jhow.

lee,"it should be ... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

lee,

"it should be a laughable" yes indeed it would be watching puke scum traitors getting the living shit beat out of them. They will be the ones needing depends.

"Some anonymous person posts an idle threat and the right is righteously indignant"

Nice try loser, where those anonymous person who slashed the GOP vans asshole ? No they were Dumbass Democrats.

Lee never has learned the d... (Below threshold)
cirby:

Lee never has learned the difference between "terrified" and "pissed off."

When someone threatens you or attacks you, and you demand that the government "negotiate" over all else, you're "scared" or "terrified."

When someone threatens you and you confront them or defend yourself, that's called "anger" or "courage." These may be alien concepts to many on the left, so it's not surprising that they don't seem to know the difference

When someone threatens y... (Below threshold)
mantis:

When someone threatens you and you confront them or defend yourself, that's called "anger" or "courage."

What do you call it when you overreact to a vague anonymous comment on some lefty thread (which, I might add, is not even a statement of intention, but rather an unaffirmed request)?

I call it hysterical, in both meanings of the word.

mantis,As I stated... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

mantis,

As I stated, though it is in reality a simple anonymous post on a blog, it's not as if this would be something out of the ordinary.

Please, this is such a setu... (Below threshold)
ChrisO:

Please, this is such a setup. The organizers of the march have explicitly said there are no plans to deface the memorial. So all of these permanently angry right wing types are going to show up, and when no one tries to deface the memorial, they're going to claim that they successfully defended it, and the the "leftists" were scared away. What a bunch of fools.

And Heralder, the fact that some people spray painted a public building is hardly precedent to claim that they would deface a memorial to the war dead. The only mention I've seen of this are on right wing bloigs, and one anonymous commenter who claims he's "bringing paint." Wow, what a big conspiracy.

ChrisO,Spray paint... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

ChrisO,

Spray painting recruitment offices and the capital building, numerous counts of spray painting private property, yes, I certainly see why a War Memorial would be off limits.

Whether or not they are planning it is entirely irrelevant as to whether it's going to happen. After all, Spray Paint = Truth to Power.

Seeing that vandalism seems to have become synonymous with peace rallies and anti-war parades, no one should be particularly surprised at the reaction here.

As I stated, though it i... (Below threshold)
mantis:

As I stated, though it is in reality a simple anonymous post on a blog, it's not as if this would be something out of the ordinary.

To be sure, there are those among the anarchist/anti-globalist/anti-business factions of the Indymedia-
type crowd that do practice acts of vandalism. I don't dispute that at all. But I would be surprised if they decided to advertise their intentions to vandalize something, let alone on their own website. On the other hand, they might just be that dumb. Regardless, this is beside my point which is that this reaction, which keeps getting bigger, is absurdly overboard considering the impetus: a single, anonymous comment. Anyone can leave those and, judging by the reaction, could have a lot of fun faking people out.

Try it yourself. Leave an anonymous post talking about spraypainting your local PETA office, and see if you can get a reaction out of those loonies. Maybe they'll line up outside to protect their territory, maybe not. Either way you've put forth virtually no effort and could have a good laugh.

If you think the dimmer moo... (Below threshold)
cirby:

If you think the dimmer moonbats have any sort of cause-effect correlation in their brains, you're sorely mistaken.

You get wonderful cases like the above, when someone says something really dumb about painting the Memorial, and then when they actually do it and get in trouble, they can't figure out what the big deal was. They figure that, since there were a lot of them there, they had the right to do whetever they felt like doing at the time. It's like the cases where you'll see a parade for "free speech" where the moonbats tear the signs out of the hands of right-wingers who say things the leftists don't like.

So in answer to a couple of the comments above, reacting with anger and concern to some anonymous lefty threatening to deface the Memorial (on top of the obvious reasponse to a whole bunch of them parading around and defacing the memory of the men on that monument) is a fair response, and is actually somewhat subdued compared to how many lefties tend to react to even mild condemnation.

Considering their track record, the default assumption is that several of them would try to do that, anyway, anonymous post or not.

Good point mantis.... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Good point mantis.

As far as advertising their intentions, I'm not sure that a small post on some left-leaning blog is really an advertisement, per se.

I'm divided on the level of reaction that is appropriate for such a comment however. We'll see what happens...which is likely nothing.

So in answer to a couple... (Below threshold)
mantis:

So in answer to a couple of the comments above, reacting with anger and concern to some anonymous lefty threatening to deface the Memorial is a fair response

Hey, it's all entertainment to me. Look as foolish as you want. Gather ye eagles while ye may.

I'm reminded of a prank som... (Below threshold)
mantis:

I'm reminded of a prank some GW students pulled on the campus police a couple of years ago. The campus police had gotten wise to Facebook, and started monitoring it to find out when parties were being held and then raiding them to bust underage drinkers. Savvy on the cops' part, but the kids got wise after it happened a couple of times. They posted plans for a beer bash, but let be known offline that there would be no alcohol whatsoever and it would instead be a "cake party." The cops showed up to an alcohol-free party, and the students took pictures of the less-than-pleased officers and posted them online, of course ;).

If you know people are watching, the web can be a very useful prank tool. Hey, I just checked and www.pranktool.com is available!

I seem to be unable to post any links without running afoul of the automoderator, but google "cake party facebook gw" and you can read all about it.

Ahh, gone are the ye good o... (Below threshold)
Heralder's Sockpuppet:

Ahh, gone are the ye good odle days when my idea of a prank was to sequester myself and some friends in my room and use our rotary phone to randomly dial numbers and ask for people with phonetically entertaining names.

Damn auto-fill. Now what w... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Damn auto-fill. Now what was a one time sockpuppet joke is going to come back and haunt me forever.

Damn auto-fill. Now what... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Damn auto-fill. Now what was a one time sockpuppet joke is going to come back and haunt me forever.

I know! And the only way to get rid of it is to erase all your saved form data. Damn you Firefox for being so convenient. Damn you!

No mantis, damn you!... (Below threshold)
Firefox:

No mantis, damn you!

Thought I'd throw that last... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Thought I'd throw that last one in there before I dump my form data :(

Gee...I've been on... (Below threshold)
cirby:

Gee...

I've been on the Internet for nearly 20 years, and I really can't even begin to count the number of times someone's been a complete, idiotic tool for months or even years at a time, and then tried to excuse his entire troll career as "just kidding - can't you people take a joke?"

Are you referring to someon... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Are you referring to someone specific, cirby, or just working on your autobiography?

mantis:Well, you. ... (Below threshold)
cirby:

mantis:

Well, you. At least for this particular thread.

Really? What a tool you ar... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Really? What a tool you are.

Gee, more of the same old p... (Below threshold)
cirby:

Gee, more of the same old pattern. Try the "it was a joke" over something that really wasn't funny, get huffy when called about it, then prove without a doubt that you have no sense of humor whatsoever.

Really, really predictable.

And sad.

What the hell are you talki... (Below threshold)
mantis:

What the hell are you talking about? What did I say was "just a joke?"

Hey, it's all entertainm... (Below threshold)
cirby:

Hey, it's all entertainment to me. Look as foolish as you want. Gather ye eagles while ye may.

Same thing.

Do or say something offensive, then pretend it's just 'entertainment."

No, you dufus, it's enterta... (Below threshold)
mantis:

No, you dufus, it's entertaining to me watching people like you get upset and, possibly, go out to physically protect a monument, all based on some random comment on the internet that anyone could have made.

Now please, enlighten me, what did I do or say that was offensive and you believe I was then trying to pass off as just a joke. Don't get me wrong, I've said offensive things before, but I'm perplexed as to what you're referring to here.

Oh, and you telling me I have no sense of humor is pretty rich, chuckles.

No, you dufus, it's ente... (Below threshold)
cirby:

No, you dufus, it's entertaining to me watching people like you get upset

...and that's all we needed to know.

...and then, when people get upset, you pull that "can't you take a joke" crap. As noted above, and repeated in this comment.


You might also note that th... (Below threshold)
cirby:

You might also note that the person who seems to be getting the most bent out of shape is, well, you.

I guess you're not too good at that "sitting back" thing, either.

...and then, when people... (Below threshold)
mantis:

...and then, when people get upset, you pull that "can't you take a joke" crap. As noted above, and repeated in this comment.

You can repeat it all you want, you still haven't pointed out what I said that you found offensive and then claimed was a joke.

You might also note that the person who seems to be getting the most bent out of shape is, well, you.

I'm not the one who used words like "pissed off," "angry," "courage" and "reacting with anger is a fair response." I made fun of you and then chatted with Heralder about pranks and cake parties and such. Boy do I sound bent out of shape!

I guess you're not too good at that "sitting back" thing, either.

But I'm sitting back right now, and I'm great at it! I hardly ever fall over anymore.

Oh, and by the way, everything I've ever written, I was just kidding! Can't you take a joke?

It's painful for me to do t... (Below threshold)

It's painful for me to do this, cirby, but I gotta come down on mantis' side this time. I took his meaning to be pretty much what he said -- the "entertaining" was sitting back and watching the kerfuffle, not participating in the event on either side.

And objectively speaking, it does sound a little amusing, both one side winding itself up for a confrontation and the other trying to dismiss the whole thing as a "joke" or a "hoax" or overblown...

Guess we'll have to wait and see.

J.

I'm not the one who used... (Below threshold)
cirby:

I'm not the one who used words like "pissed off," "angry," "courage" and "reacting with anger is a fair response."

But you are the one who reacted with "what the hell," "tool," and "dufus," in accusation, instead of using the phrases I used to describe how someone else might feel.

You got more than a little pissed off at someone else's words, while suggesting that other people were stupid for... getting pissed off at someone else's words.

You do notice that all thos... (Below threshold)
mantis:

You do notice that all those things you quoted me writing had nothing to do with the topic at hand, but rather were all directed towards you after you got on your inane kick about how I'm pretending to just be joking. I was making fun of you for misreading what I wrote, the meaning of which was quite clear. You still haven't told me what I wrote that was so offensive to you which I tried to pass off as a joke. Guess you're not going to support your initial assertion at all. I'm shocked.

FWIW Jay, I don't know that it's a hoax or a joke, my point is that it could be and no one could tell the difference, and it is apparently one that would work very well on certain people.

That was a strange exhange.... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

That was a strange exhange.

But you are the one who reacted with "what the hell," "tool," and "dufus," in accusation,

Don't forget Cirby, that you started this up by saying, oh what was it, ..."a complete, idiotic tool for months or even years at a time" and a troll. Surprised at the reaction? You shouldn't be.

Don't forget Cirby, that... (Below threshold)
cirby:

Don't forget Cirby, that you started this up by saying, oh what was it, ..."a complete, idiotic tool for months or even years at a time" and a troll. Surprised at the reaction? You shouldn't be.

...while talking about someone else. Gee, considering how often folks like mantis toss around insults, he sure got sensitive about me calling some ELSE that. Unless the comment hit a little too close to home (which is pretty obvious, since, instead of being "funny," he spent most of the rest of this thread just plain being insulting. As usual).

...and no, mantis, you weren't "making fun." You see, to be "making fun," there has to be some actual "fun" in there.

Does anyone here actually believe that mantis would really make fun of both sides in this situation (defacing the Memorial), or would he do the usual and defend the idiot lefties to the end?

One more little thing: last... (Below threshold)
cirby:

One more little thing: last year, the Chicago and the Gallup, New Mexico Vietnam War memorials were both vandalized.

Why should we expect any different?




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