Not gonna happen. Too much polarization, with neither side trusting the other to accurately state the time of day without an agenda. the fact that neither side has been able to keep their noses even remotely clean while wildly overtstaing the faults of the other just adds fuel to the fire.

"But at whose door do I stand to shout my curses?"

Check the yellow pages under "Psychiatrist", you nutcake.

He lied, he's guilty - quit apologizing for convicted felons.

Very convincing, Lee. Certain to influence any fence-sitters among those observers with reasonable doubts.

Go ahead, enjoy the victory lap. Just remember running out of gas on the track is really embarrasing.

Depends on what the meaning of is is, Lee.

There's nothing remotely objectionable or non-objective in Mr. Irving's post. Why don't you wait until somebody comes along and posts something partisan, Lee? I'm sure there will be one any minute now.

For the time being, let's just call your post a premature ejaculation.

the fact that neither side has been able to keep their noses even remotely clean

I'll second that. But then again they are politicians. My expectation level is already pretty low when it comes to that breed.

bobdog, Lee was responding to the original post, not my comment.

Nous voulons une epreuve.
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Hey Lee,

You've had 2 days now, are you ever going to answer a simple question or 2, or, will you just run n hide some more?

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psst! Kim! Yer letting yer culture show! Ah thought we were all supposed to be inbred hick conservatives ...

Voulez-vous du fromage avec du votre vin?

J'y suis le chien qui fume.

My quote was from a Darfurian refugee about the Gangaweed.
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And a hat tip to Angelina Jolie for it, too. She is something else.
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Laissez le bon temps rouler.

Thus begins and ends my knowledge of French.

You old Confederate, you. Shall we dunce?

Clarice left out that Joe Wilson and Kerry probably cooked this scam up at the May '03 Senate Democratic Policy Committee meeting which both attended. The minutse of that meeting are nowhere to be found, but minutes usually are recorded, and kept. You could look it up. But, you know, absence of evidence, and all. Still, who keeps those minutes? Got just one minute for a question?
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Let's see Clinton was impeached over a blow job between 2 consenting adults.

Bush, DICK Cheney, Rummy, Perley, Wolfy, Rovey, and scooter (effete nickname) lead us into an immoral and illegal war leading to the senseless slaughter of countless innocents and your concerned about a slap on the wrist to scooter the cooter. I am sure Bush will give him a pardon.

Unfortunately our great country has suffered terribly in the hands of these war criminals (health care, New Orleans, Walter Reed, deficit from surplus, torture, suspension of habeas corpus)

Why do you pathetic conservatives hate America so much?????

Go back to sleep you deluded souls.

Well, to say one thing, marty, you definitely have made Lee's earlier post look much better.

I will quibble with you on specific point. Clinton was not impeached for lying about anything "between two consenting adults." It is an establishment of law (passed by Democrats and moderate Republicans as current sexual-harassment law) that in government or business offices, sexual relationships between two people of such disparate power levels cannot be considered consensual. There is always a subtext of an implied threat or quid pro quo.

I don't think Clarice thought out her Rome comparison thoroughly enough.

1. Libby is being compared to Brutus, ok, but Brutus conspired to kill Caesar (Wilson/Plame are Caesar then?). Brutus believed this to be a noble act of killing a tyrant (smearing a critic), but Antony (Fitzgerald?) convinced Roman society (DC jury?) that this in fact was a heinous crime and he was exiled (convicted?). The validity of the charges is of course in the eye of the beholder.

2. "whose son [Brutus] was killed in a power grab"
I don't know the real history, but according to the show, it was Brutus who was trying to grab power. He was returning from Turkey expecting only Octavian (Democrats?), but Antony had joined forces with him to have superior forces and won the battle for control of Rome (the '06 election?).

3. "And I explode with laughter at the Cassius-like Kerry who sneered"
Wait, so now Kerry is Cassius who was Brutus's (Libby's) ally. That doesn't make any sense.

4. "The Bush crowd is guilty only of terminal naiveté and the foolish idea that high standards of probity will ever beat the opposition's utter unscrupulousness and willingness to misuse the legal system to their own partisan ends, even if it means the ruination of an innocent and capable man and enormous hardship to his family."
HA!
O woe is the Bush Administration!
They are helpless while controlling every branch of gov't for 4 yrs!
And what is she talking about with "using the legal system to their own partisan end"?
First, Fitz has no history of any partisanship whatsoever. His most notable cases were terrorism convictions.
Second, Ken Starr?
Third, I know it's not reported here on Wizbang, but are you paying attention to one of the biggest news story of the day - the firing of 8 US Attoneys by the Bush Administration because they weren't partisan enough and to give plum spots to campaign assistants? Go here to get filled in on what is going on outside your echo chamber.

sean, really, Talking Points Memo? Wizbang is unabashedly center-right, but they are miles and away less blindly partisan than TPM.

I write as an outsider, a Canadian, of conservative bent.

Do you understand the ongoing and cumulative effect of the breakdown of your judicial system?

I am a businessman, a property developer and builder. I won't travel to the US, I won't sign a contract requiring me to submit to US law and I have serious concerns that a society that permits stuff like this should not be dealt with at all.

If I need plumbing fixtures, I do not buy American Standard. My elevators are built in Germany. If I need any construction material or service I avoid anything American. You guys are crazy and I'm terrified of being embroiled in your lunatic courts.

Just about everybody in the world feels the same way and slowly, drip, drip, drip, your huge vibrant, rich, economy is being wrecked. What a shame. And Lee cheers it on.

Sean, I was going to say the same. I understand what she was getting at, but, no. Lets not forget the Servilia tried to have Attia killed. AND tempted her young daughter into her bed to get information. And Brutus was a douche.

Blacues, lee cheers on anything anti-America. This is nothing new.

Yes, John, TPM. And I'm not so sure (actually pretty damn certain you're wrong) about your "less partisan" claim. TPM had worked with a conservative blog (can't remember which one) to promote openness in gov't spending. And from what I can remember, they do not solicit campaign contributions for any party, while Wizbang definitely did that for Right Roots back in 2006. Jay Tea and Kevin seem pretty center-right, but Lorie and Kim are definitely solidly right.

But more to the point, this story has nothing to do with the partisanship of those reporting it, but everything to do with the Administration expecting partisanship from US attorneys. The attorneys were fired for either not pursuing indictments against Dems fast enough, for digging too deep on the Duke Cunningham case, or just to free up some room for partisan cronies. That is an abomination of the legal system plain and simple for partisan purposes. Exactly what Clarice was claiming, but much more extreme and unethical than the Libby trial.

TPM had worked with a conservative blog (can't remember which one) to promote openness in gov't spending.

You really don't know? The Pork Busters campaign was pretty much blogosphere-wide. Given that example of your lack of knowledge in comparison to my own, let's just say I'll take your opinion on TPM's value at the same level.

Great comeback John. I don't specify The Pork Busters Project, so that invalidates my arguments. Wow, who knew it were that easy?

Hey, John, when did you stop beating your wife?

I WIN!!

Blacques,

Are our courts really that much worse than everyone else's or (like everything else) our faults get spotlighted internationally?

Like Rush said yesterday, the dhimmi's will rue the day this farce started and finished. Everyone in the country will now be looking for any lie told by the dhimmi's (thousands daily) that can be dragged into court and as I understand it I can swear out a warrent for the arrest of any person in the U.S. and the law must execute the warrent. The state has to prosecute (with taxpayer money) and the defendant has to defend with their own money. Dhimmi politicians must now change and 'really' become religious instead of pretending only during election cycles.

It's comical watching one of the biggest criminals in congress (Reid) asking the president to promise not to pardon Scooter. The president should announce to the nation that he promises not pardon Reid, Cold Cash Jefferson or any other dhimmi convicted in the future, and some of them will be convicted. ROFL

"Very convincing, Lee. Certain to influence any fence-sitters among those observers with reasonable doubts."

A jury of his peers, who heard all of the evidence and spent around a week deliberating the matter, came to the same conclusion. That convinced me - and at this point only the wiznuts like psychotic Clarice doubt his guilt.

"Go ahead, enjoy the victory lap. Just remember running out of gas on the track is really embarrasing."

Roger that, but I suspect your administration will keep us liberals well-stocked with fuel waaaay past the '08 election.

Ah, this Clarice Feldman:

"The Wilson Gambit was a stealth operation undertaken outside normal procedures and supervision, used as a political weapon, complete with lies spread by a cooperative media establishment interested in bringing down a leader and his policies which they detest"

Since when did Sally Struthers start offering law degrees?

I'm shocked and amazed that, once again, something perceived as anti-Republican is mocked as anti-American.
you people need to get a grip. Liberals love this country, too. I daresay I love this country way more than any of you.

A jury of his peers, who heard all of the evidence and spent around a week deliberating the matter, came to the same conclusion. That convinced me

I must be more liberal than you, Lee, because I have a strong "question authority" streak. I'm pretty certain Libby farked up, and therefore it is likely the verdict is correct, but there is always room for doubt among reasonable people. A flawed trial that reaches a correct conclusion is still an example of a flawed trial, and many people, not just partisan Republicans, have found fault with the methodology of this trial. That tells me there's a problem.

sean, I'm divorced, and the only beatings my wife received were entirely consensual.

In any case, your lack of knowledge of a major bipartisan effort on TPM, among many others (including Kos, Instapundit, etc etc) certain casts doubt on your accuracy, particularly where you seem to think that joining in with a glaringly obvious good idea (to everyone save Congresscritters of both parties, anyway) lends support to TPM's credibility in other areas, particularly as a supposed non-partisan source.

eric,
Liberals love this country, too. I daresay I love this country way more than any of you.

You were going good until that last statement, then you went right into the same territory you were criticizing.

John,
I did not say TPM was non-partisan, hell there are very few blogs that can make that claim. I was saying they were less partisan than Wizbang, rebutting the claim you made and yet you have not supported it with any evidence. However, I noted the fact that Wizbang solicited for Right Roots, clearly a partisan gesture.

And you still are clinging to the fact that I didn't cite Pork Busters to discredit my arguments. That is pathetic reasoning. I could have found the name in about 1 minute if I cared and thought it mattered, I might have even remembered it if I just sat back and thought about it for 30 seconds.

But the name of the project was not my point and you're using this insignificant piece of information as the basis for your position to ignore the story about the US attorneys.

What a joke.

TPM is partisan enough that it was said of Josh Marshall that he was campaigning for Press Secretary in a Kerry Administration. I came to the Great Yellowcake Affair after Josh's frantic quest for the origin of the forgeries foundered in a quagmire of 'literary flair'.
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it was said of Josh Marshall
by whom?

Josh's frantic quest for the origin of the forgeries
But they actually were forgeries, correct? Why is that partisan? Just as partisan as the "Army of Davids" idea.

Look, I know he's liberal, but I also know Lorie and Kim are strongly conservative (Jay Tea calls himself squishy - I take him at his word, and Kevin rarely posts). And he at least tries to run his blog with a news-first focus, while Wizbang deals quite a bit in Drudge-like gossip. And again, the biggest sign of a "partisan" blog is soliciting for contributions to a specific political party, and Wizbang did that while TPM did not.

Josh was pushing Joe's fishtales until they went belly up back in 'o4. Visitors and Joe's lies stink after awhile.
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