Just what was it that Ailes said above that Reid took issue with?

By making a joke about the similarities between Osama's and Obama's names. Not quite on the level of the Danish cartoons, but enough to get you ostracized by John Edwards & the Nevada Dems.

Faux News target audience is made up of bitter aging knuckledraggers who still think Saddam had something to do with 9-11 and that some of the hijackers that day were Iraqi.

Fox News, catering to the dumbest part of America since 1996!

From the Las Vegas Review Journal...

"By Friday, the Nevada Democratic Party caved in to the lunatic fringe and beganseeking a more "appropriate" television partner.

Comedy Central, perhaps?"

The joke was that PRES BUSH was confusing the names... as well as a reminder that Osama is still out there too. As Kevin said... how dare they make a joke at the president's expense!

And Mast... you're doing it again. We already *know* what the left thinks of that network called Faux News that they never actually watch but hate so badly. And you know what? Those better aging knuckledraggers vote. And YOUR PARTY just passed up an opportunity to speak to voters.

Is remaining pure of the taint of fox-ness really that important?

I guess it is a botched joke only when conservatives say one (Ailes/Coulter).

Payback is a bitch!

Oh, in the other (Maya preists) thread I mentioned a book I just read. It's a fantasy by the fabulous author Jane Lindskold called _Brother to Dragons, Companion to Owls_ that is based on the concept of "magical thinking" which it is explained is the habit of people of attibuting human attributes to inanimate things. The example to explain it... would you wear the shirt of someone you hated, even if it had been washed? It's just a shirt. But most people would not want to even touch something with that association.

It seems to me that the issue isn't Fox News, it's magical thinking.

It's just a television station folks. It doesn't have cooties.

As if any Faux Noise watching drooler would ever vote for a Democrat in the first place. Yea, right.

Faux Noise is for the hardcore masses of bitter, thick skulled nuts who think Dennis Miller is actually funny, and that evolution is 'just a theory' and that Toby Keith is a 'musician'.

Fox News is now guaranteed to make liberals scatter like cockroaches when someone turns on the light. I believe El Rushbo would call that "shining the light of truth." Heh heh.

Hey Mast -- better check your email, I hear those marching orders from MoveOn.org are starting to pile up now ...

Ailes - speaking about journalists and journalism. What a joke:

"Ailes entered politics working for Richard Nixon, showing the campaign how to present paid political events so that they would appear to be news, in order to manipulate public opinion about the candidate. A false warm-and-fuzzy Nixon was sold by Ailes like a "car or a can of peas," as Joe McGinniss put it in "The Selling of the President, 1968." Ailes's father was an Ohio factory foreman who complained of being talked down to by corporate executives at the plant. Ailes shared with Nixon contempt for "elites" and a knack for speaking to the racial prejudices of certain lower-class white men. Discussing the addition of a panelist to a staged Nixon "Man in the Arena" forum, Ailes said: "You know what I'd like? As long as we've got this extra spot open. A good, mean Wallace-ite cab driver. Wouldn't that be great? Some guy to sit there and say, 'Awright, mac, what about these niggers?'"

...

Under the direction of Ailes and the late Lee Atwater, the Bush campaign questioned Democratic nominee Michael Dukakis's patriotism, tarred him as an unfit commander in chief, and portrayed him as soft on crime. Though he claimed he had nothing to do with it, Ailes was burned in a controversy over an advertisement produced by an independent pro-Bush group that featured convicted African American murderer Willie Horton, who had committed rape after escaping from a weekend furlough program while Dukakis was governor of Massachusetts. According to Time magazine, Ailes said at the time, "The only question is whether we depict Willie Horton with a knife or without one." Atwater said that Ailes had "two settings: attack and destroy," yet Ailes had the temerity to call Dukakis "the dirtiest campaigner in America."

Ailes is a major-league jackass, and notion that Fox News is capable of staging an honest and fair debate is a major-league joke.

Democrats, once again, are displaying their political acumen.

First, they nominate Gore. Then Jacques Francois Kerry.

In fear...they are all bailing on a Fox News debate.

Did it ever occur to one of the idiots in the DNC that maybe Fox was the place to go if they wanted to pick up a larger audience of Independents or GOP'ers ready to switch in the 2008 year election.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

It works for me. Yo Democrats, stay on your own HOME TURF. Don't reach out to other voters to join you.

Yo, Jerks. Just live and die with CBS. (or any other Completely Bias Station.) Keep outta my arena.

You just MAKE MY DAY!

"As if any Faux Noise watching drooler would ever vote for a Democrat in the first place. Yea, right.

Faux Noise is for the hardcore masses of bitter, thick skulled nuts who think (...) that Toby Keith is a 'musician'."

Ah, Democrats and Liberals... always on the side of the common man.

Most of us have known for a long time that in fact, Dems and Liberals despise the common man, despise the working stiff, the poor uncultured child of America. It ooozes from your pores like the stink of too much garlic. If you're liberal and want a cutting insult just haul out the trailor park. Sneer at the people beneath you.

But smile my friend, smile and explain how it's the little guy that Dems serve. The poor they care about and want to help. The working mother just trying to get by. Smile and speak and say how much you care, really care.

It's worked before.

I will work again.

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When it's all said and done, none of this makes any Democrat look bad it makes Faux News look like the clowns that they are. Faux never had any intention on presenting this debate in anything resembling a fair and balanced manner. I could only imagine the cute little titles they would have put on the screen making fun of Edwards hair or Obama's parking tickets.

Fox exists for one reason, to tow the party line. Even Ropert Murdoch himself admitted at the Davos conference that he used his network to push Bush's agenda. Real balance I guess.

How anyone can sit there and claim that they are somehow 'fair and balanced' is beyond me. Then again, their audience is so stupid they still think there are WMD's in Iraq.

People *know* if questions are unfair.

This idea that Fox could screw the debate somehow is a willful fantasy. You're afraid of what they could do when in fact they couldn't do a thing even if they wanted to. "Cute little titles?" That would be obvious and would never happen.

The candidates don't want to talk to YOU Mast. They are happy of an excuse not to stand beside each other so that YOU can compare them and their answers and decide who to vote for.

The the danger isn't from Fox. It's from opening their mouths in public.

And consider this while you praise your masters.

Elections are not won on doctrinal purity. They are won on the swing vote.

The only "swing" votes you'll find among Fox News viewers is the the swinging that neandrethal conservatives do from trees....

Or is it the way they swing their knuckle-dragging arms as they walk?

Elections are not won on doctrinal purity. They are won on the swing vote.Elections are not won on doctrinal purity. They are won on the swing vote.

Which is why the GOP got hammered last election, thanks to the swing voter.

When it's all said and done, none of this makes any Democrat look bad it makes Faux News look like the clowns that they are. Faux never had any intention on presenting this debate in anything resembling a fair and balanced manner.

Based on what? They hosted one in 2004 if memory serves and were quite fair. Feel free to point to a reason to believe that they'd be unfair --- outside of them not being idealogically pure enough for you.

I could only imagine the cute little titles they would have put on the screen making fun of Edwards hair or Obama's parking tickets.

Which would give the Dems something to campaign against. Republicans can refuse to debate on CBS after they forged memos against Bush, but that would be silly.

Fox exists for one reason, to tow the party line. Even Ropert Murdoch himself admitted at the Davos conference that he used his network to push Bush's agenda. Real balance I guess.

Feel free to post a link to that because it sounds like you made it up.

How anyone can sit there and claim that they are somehow 'fair and balanced' is beyond me. Then again, their audience is so stupid they still think there are WMD's in Iraq.

The usual leftist "The people are too sutpid to vote for us" mentality that has worked wonders for you.
-=Mike
...notice that when the GOP lost, no whining occurred about how dumb the voters were or about voting irregularities (which, undoubtedly, existed as they do in EVERY election in history)?

Getting past all the childish BS of Lee and Mast.. Bottom line?.. The DNC broke it down cuz they can't Hang!.. They got their orders from Moveon. Next week they'll get to learn how to sit, and roll over!

Perhaps one of these brain surgeons on the left can explain to us how HOSTING an event is biased.

Of course you can't. Your inconveneint truth is that you white flag wavers are to scared to be in a venue where they are asking real questions not throwing soft ball powder puffs.

Nothing is so amusing as a lefty that has his underbelly exposed... a la Gore and his "carbon credits", Edwards worring about the "little guy" from one of his two mansions, and my continuing to give favorite, all the global warming crap that has been cancelled because of snow, tornado's, frigid weather and windchill.

Faux News target audience is made up of bitter aging knuckledraggers who still think Saddam had something to do with 9-11 and that some of the hijackers that day were Iraqi.

Fox News, catering to the dumbest part of America since 1996! Posted by: Mast at March 10, 2007 03:39 PM

Masty me thinks you should get a wider brush to paint with. Your description fits all of cable news.

Seldom mentioned, however, is the fact that cable news is equally geriatric. Indeed, Fox News Channel and CNN are two of only three leading basic networks (the other being the Hallmark Channel) whose median viewer age is over 60. Headline News rings in next at 59.9, and MSNBC is still on the rickety side at 57.

The only "swing" votes you'll find among Fox News viewers is the the swinging that neandrethal conservatives do from trees

How can that be when so many of the left side of political spectrum watch Fox News?

You are all admitting it because how else are your opinions derived?

Certainly you are not insinuating that you are forming opinions based on what "you heard", right?

Say it isn't so........

"Perhaps one of these brain surgeons on the left can explain to us how HOSTING an event is biased."

Always happy to help out another uniformed conservative idiot.

Faux News "hosting the event" meant that the panel asking the question was mostly Faux News "journalists". In addition Faux News had some very un-democratic requirements - for example they wanted exclusive rights to the clips on the web or some such nonsense. In other words, Faux News wanted to control the content and the distribution.

You're welcome, asshole.

Which is why the GOP got hammered last election, thanks to the swing voter

And now those swing voters are saying "what the eff", I voted for these clowns. Holy crap!!!

Same thing happened in 1992.

Fixed again in 1994.

Repeat in 2008.

Oh, and good luck with that Iraq plan Number # 17.

Ailes is a major-league jackass, and notion that Fox News is capable of staging an honest and fair debate is a major-league joke.
Posted by: Lee at March 10, 2007 03:57 PM

For the sake of argument Lee let's assume that tripe is fact. What was unfair and dishonest about the 2003 debate hosted by the Congressional Black Caucus Institute and Fox News Channel?

Biased in 2004 was it Leeee leee? One Fox guy..(Hume) on the panel..and he only asked Dean where he got his button. Talk about BS Idiots..

"How can that be when so many of the left side of political spectrum watch Fox News?"

Good question, jumpingjoe - but how many is "so many"?

And if you quote a number or percentage of viewers, and that number was supplied by Faux News, it doesn't count. They can't be relied on for the truth, so show us a poll or survey done by someone other that Faux News -- if there is any in fact backup you can provide to your claim that "so many" on the left watch Faux News.

Oh!..I get it now!.. it's "Cut and Run" time!..they're in training!..LOL..(With Edwards in the lead)

Faux News "hosting the event" meant that the panel asking the question was mostly Faux News "journalists".

Wow, I never thought about that, they may ask questions about the GWOT...or something. Or.... "gasp"....maybe a question about Iraq.

Can't have any of that.

Nope.....

if there is any in fact backup you can provide to your claim that "so many" on the left watch Faux News".

Lee, thank you opining with your pithy comment. (Some O'Reilly speak for you)

I naturally assume that 100% of the left wing persuasion that are opining about the bias of Fox News here in the comment section are doing so from first hand experience. You know....from actually spending time in front of the T.V. watching it to form their opinions.

After all, real intellectuals investigate for themselves, or is that just a leap of faith on my part?

Faux News "hosting the event" meant that the panel asking the question was mostly Faux News "journalists". In addition Faux News had some very un-democratic requirements - for example they wanted exclusive rights to the clips on the web or some such nonsense. In other words, Faux News wanted to control the content and the distribution.

You're welcome, asshole.
Posted by: Lee at March 10, 2007 05:00 PM

Jeebus Lee, I just gave you credit for being smart in another thread on this subject, then you come up with this unadulterated garbage.

Who was on the panel asking question in 2003 Lee? Go ahead, take a peek.

Who were the panelists for this one Lee?

Why wouldn't they want to control the content Lee, they would own the copyright. Moreover it would have been broadcast on terrestrial stations and available, at it was in 2003, for the entire country. Maintaining any control over clips presented as web content is bad? How so?

And BTW just what the hell is "or some such nonsense?"

A self fisking?

"Talk about BS Idiots.."

I was talking about the upcoming Nevada debate - not some debate back in 2003 or 2004. Did Faux News stack the panel and restrict distribution in that debate?

Nope.

Overview: This was the second debate in less than a week and the second (after the May debate in South Carolina) in which all nine participated.

Candidates: Carol Moseley Braun, Howard Dean, John Edwards, Dick Gephardt, Bob Graham, John Kerry, Dennis Kucinich, Joseph Lieberman, Al Sharpton.

Moderator: Brit Hume.

Panel:
Farai Chideya - former television correspondent, author and now editor of thebeehive.org.
Ed Gordon - currently contributing editor of Savoy magazine; has worked with NBC and Black Entertainment Television.
Juan Williams - author, senior correspondent of National Public Radio, analyst for Fox News and host of the syndicated program "America's Black Forum."

Audience: 2,000 invited guests (and a handful who had to be disinvited).

Format: Five rounds of questions posed by the three-person panel--the first two rounds on the war on terror, Iraq and foreign policy, the next two rounds on domestic issues, and the final round "dealer's choice." Candidates had one minute to respond to questions. Forty-five second closing statements.

Broadcast: Fox News Channel, C-SPAN.

And I'd suggest getting some band-aids on those knuckles before they get infected....

It's my understanding that with the Nevada debate Faux had refused permission for C-Span to carry it live. How un-democratic of them"

Huh? That's the reason Democrats refuse to be moderated by Fox News? Because C-Span won't carry it?

Wow....pussies

"Huh? That's the reason Democrats refuse to be moderated by Fox News? Because C-Span won't carry it?"

Not the only reason, JumpinJoe - is your neanderthal memory so frail that you have forgotten the other reasons cited above?

Maybe your 30 second memory capacity is a result of a fever from that knuckle infection...

Not the only reason, JumpinJoe - is your neanderthal memory so frail that you have forgotten the other reasons cited above"

Huh...cited above?

Please point these out because I don't see them?

Come on...purdy please.....my frail memory eludes me.