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The Democrats Hopelessly Confused on Iraq

The Democrats have made so many different demands on how and when to pull our troops out of Iraq, they are becoming hopelessly confused about what their position is any more. Take a look at this video from CNN of Democrat Rep. David "idiot liberals" Obey and Speaker Nancy Pelosi trying to explain their position. The best line comes from CNN host John Roberts "How do you pass or enforce something you can't even explain?"

Watch:


Comments (38)

They don't take their "poli... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

They don't take their "policy" seriously, so what's to explain?

And neither should we.

Win election and face battl... (Below threshold)
kim:

Win election and face battle. Welcome.
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The Democratic leadership w... (Below threshold)
Proud Kaffir:

The Democratic leadership wants to keep the status quo. They don't want to risk a backlash by forcing an end to the war. They are hoping that the war will continue to be unpopular by 08 with the GOP getting the blame for percieved failures. The Dems simply want to embarrass the President with meaningless resolutions until the election.

The problem is the liberal groups are not buying the run-out-the-clock strategy. They want the US to declare defeat and bring the troops home now. The Dem leadership are tap dancing back and force but keep triping each other up.

I know we've been complaini... (Below threshold)

I know we've been complaining about the MSM for a very long time, and I'm not going to claim that they are without bias, but it seems to me that there may be a shift occuring. Probably it's due to the Democrats winning the majority, journalists, like just about anyone, are less likely to be "nice" to those in power the way they might be to those who are not in power. Sort of a play to the idea of fairness and equality.

I wonder, too, just how much of it is a reaction to people like Pelosi throwing her weight around in an agressive fashion (such as reports that she was demanding loyalty in exchange for committee assignments).

And I wonder if there will be non-Fox fallout from journalists due to this last idiocy. Journalists think well of themselves and their holy calling and thinking that they don't identify at all with the journalists at Fox may be a sad mistake.

Confused? Never fear, Gener... (Below threshold)
Old Coot:

Confused? Never fear, General Pelosi, The Most Powerful Woman in the World, will be along at any moment to explain their latest plan for surrender.

Kampuchea. Ever Again.<br ... (Below threshold)
kim:

Kampuchea. Ever Again.
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The democratic position on ... (Below threshold)

The democratic position on the war is whatever Gyorgy Schwartz says it is.

Why should their coherence ... (Below threshold)
RScott:

Why should their coherence about Iraq be any different than the rest of their ideas?

That would explain why they... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

That would explain why they don't want to go on Fox News...

Oh, just give us power...we... (Below threshold)
Brian D:

Oh, just give us power...we'll know what to do with it once we get it. You can't expect us to explain everything. Trust us.

"That would explain why the... (Below threshold)

"That would explain why they don't want to go on Fox News... "

*choke*

Kaffir nails it.Th... (Below threshold)
robert the original:

Kaffir nails it.

They don't want to pull out and they don't have the votes anyway.

Most of this is just eyewash for the libs who are easily fooled.

Hmmm I wonder...just where ... (Below threshold)
marc:

Hmmm I wonder...just where are the defenders of Pelosi and the rest.

Lee ya out there. Isn't it time to sick a fork in this sorry game she and the rest are playing and get on with the real business of gov?

The Dem party is headed for... (Below threshold)
sam:

The Dem party is headed for a 1968-style disaster on the war issue. Witness what happened to them in Connecticut last year, and project it to the national level.

The leadership has no power to satisfy the demands of the loons, the loons think they control the party.

Exquisite!

"pucker" baby where are you... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

"pucker" baby where are you?

Policy? We don't need no st... (Below threshold)
Mike in Oregon:

Policy? We don't need no stinkin' policy, other than whatever Bush is for we're against, and vice versa.

That reminds me of the "Who... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

That reminds me of the "Who's on First, What's on Second" skit.

Kaffir nails it. They d... (Below threshold)

Kaffir nails it. They don't want to pull out and they don't have the votes anyway.

I'm starting to think it may be true that they really aren't interested in forcing a pullout. From a purely political perspective, can you really blame them? If we're still in Iraq in 2008 and nothing has really changed (which is likely), the Dems can turn the 2008 election into a rerun of 2006. They can claim they "tried" to stop the war but they need the Presidency in order to do that. Politically, it's a good strategy and you all should be happy because it means our troops are staying in Iraq.

Bush also has an incentive to play out the clock on Iraq to escape blame for "losing" it. I think it's safe to stay we're staying in Iraq until 2009 at least.

Lee ya out there.</p... (Below threshold)

Lee ya out there.

Lee's on vacation until early April. You'll all have to satisfy yourselves with beating up on me in the meantime.

I don't know that the publi... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

I don't know that the public can stand two years of this comedy. Everytime I turn on the TV I think i'm watching SNL instead of the real news. Is there real news anymore or is it dhimmi comedy 24-7? They have me and the rest of the population confused, with someone that gives a sh** what a democrat thinks. Does anyone really care? At least we can die laughing.

All the Demo's are doing is... (Below threshold)
Allen:

All the Demo's are doing is blowing smoke. They can afford to sit back and let whatever happens in Iraq continue. Hell, Bush started the war, mishandled it, and it's a great point in the 08 elections.

You right wingers can say what you want, but you know it's the truth. If I was a Demo Elected Employee, I would blow out the BS also, and closer to 08 elections, be damn sure I would point to the Repugs, the rubber stamp congress for 6 years, etc. You guys have handed the White House to the Demo's in 08 and are blind to the fact.

And the more you blame Clinton, the more swing voters are going to vote Demo. Wake the fuck up before it's too late to change things.

Tommorrow they will have re... (Below threshold)
serfer62:

Tommorrow they will have resolution #18...or did that happen already?

Mitch Mcconnel is turning out to be a damn fine choice...

All of our wars have become... (Below threshold)

All of our wars have become unpopular after about three years, except for WWII (the public was tired, but saw the end in sight). Lincoln was an underdog for reelection until Sherman took Atlanta in September of 1864.

Still, the American electorate has never elected a candidate who advocated walking away from a war. They seem to instinctively realize, when forced to choose, that the costs of defeat far exceed the costs of staying the course.

And the more you ... (Below threshold)
Jumpinjoe:
And the more you blame Clinton, the more swing voters are going to vote Demo

Translation: Please don't remind people that Democrats believed Saddam's Iraq was a threat for eight years straight.

Please don't remind people that Clinton bombed Iraq and pissed the UN off for doing so.

Please don't remind people that OBL issued fatwas against the United States for Clinton's bombings of Iraq.

Please don't remind people that Clinton made the Saddam and OBL connection in 1998 when he bombed an aspirin factory in Sudan.

We like our dumb-down constituency just the way it is. Right now all we have to do is chant "Bush Lied" and don't need the truth circulated around. That's why we block dissenting views on our left wing web sites. Our posters don't know how to handle real debate anyway. Right now they are just programmed to shout "Nazi" and "Fascist" against opposing views.

If you don't quit reminding people that our political party did a 180 on Iraq when the whip came down from our leftist masters then we will threaten you with taking swing voters. Hey, it's all we got.

Are you sure you've got rea... (Below threshold)
kim:

Are you sure you've got real leftists on this board? They don't Godwin themselves like the genuine article does.
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Allen the Dimos do not have... (Below threshold)
Michael:

Allen the Dimos do not have the White House in '08 and that is a blind fact. The Dimos have only won three presidential elections since 1968 and that is a blind fact. With the quality of their leading candiates they are gouiing to lose again '08 and that is a blond fact. America is not going to elect a brittle unlikable bitch or a green senator just because they are not Republicans. Get a grip.

Luv, them 'blond facts'.<br... (Below threshold)
kim:

Luv, them 'blond facts'.
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OMG, that was awful. It lo... (Below threshold)

OMG, that was awful. It looked more like a comedy skit than a press conference.

"If the President cannot demonstrate progress by..."

There already has been progress. Where are the goal posts? And where will they be by say, July 1st? Or is it July 31st? And what year was that again?

From a purely political ... (Below threshold)
Dan Irving:

From a purely political perspective, can you really blame them?

Yes - if you belive that the '06 elections were a 'mandate' of the people to get us out of Iraq then the Dems aren't complying with that mandate. I don't buy that 'mandate' tripe but I'm not the one supporting that supposition.

If we're still in Iraq in 2008 and nothing has really changed (which is likely), the Dems can turn the 2008 election into a rerun of 2006. They can claim they "tried" to stop the war but they need the Presidency in order to do that. Politically, it's a good strategy and you all should be happy because it means our troops are staying in Iraq.

We'll still be in Iraq in 2008. From the looks of things the Dem's will make sure of it. The fact that they are willing to sacrifice American lives for political gain should be disturbing.

Bush also has an incentive to play out the clock on Iraq to escape blame for "losing" it. I think it's safe to stay we're staying in Iraq until 2009 at least.

Could care less about Bush but I agree that we'll be in Iraq well past 2009. It took us over 30 years to rebuild Germany and Japan, and 20 years in South Korea. The problem is we didn't learn from those three successes. If we really want to do right by the Iraqi people then we need to stay and do what we did in Germany, Japan and SKorea. Of course saying such is political suicide and I don't see any politician, on either side of the aisle, willing to take such a stand.

"From a purely political pe... (Below threshold)
yo:

"From a purely political perspective, can you really blame them? "

Politically? Maybe not. However, the longer they go through this 3 Stooges skit; the longer they stay committed to this sleight of hand puppet show for the entertainment of the ADHD nutroots; the longer they "support the troops (ack!), but not the war," they, effectively, cancel out any progress on the ground in Iraq, and elsewhere.

The longer they fart around with these disposable policies of theirs, continue this posturing and cuddling of the "idiot left" with hopes of regaining the White House, the longer we're on the ground and the more exposed our troops are.

So, in effect, what you have is a rather simple mantra:

Pelosi lied, people died.

And the truth of that is painfully obvious to those people who think rationally (hence, the nutroots, the democrats and folk like you, Larkin, don't get it).

But, no, let's not blame them for taking this route. No, no. Let's concern ourselves with ourselves and damn the consequences.

Do you like apples?

How do you like them apples?

Dan Irving, don't worry, st... (Below threshold)
kim:

Dan Irving, don't worry, staying is the default position, by necessity, and all the moonbat whistling past the graveyard won't change that one whit.

We're the world's civil authority, like it or not. We and a variable coalition of the functining democracies. We've got to referree this battle of schisms; not just the one between the Muslims, but among all the cults of Abraham.
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Democratic cynicism is a tr... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

Democratic cynicism is a true wonder to behold.

They try to project that cynicism onto the Repubs. do this too, so that their little consciences can be salved for playing politics with national security.

Lee is off until APRIL!? So Lee is a hard-working, professional with the experience and knowledge to tell us all what to think. Yeah.

I think old Lee has the RV Camper Trailer out there in Jellystone Park, with his 3rd wife, a case of cigarettes, and some Schlitz--probably waiting for the next geyser to go off.

Trackbacked by The Thunder ... (Below threshold)

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A short recon of what's out there that might draw your attention.

Please, someone tell him ab... (Below threshold)
kim:

Please, someone tell him about the Yellowstone Caldera. Quick, before it's too late. I heard he conceded a point. Maybe it's re-education camp for him.

Two blond facts:

1. George Soros just put 2% of his fortune into Halliburton stock.
2. He spends nearly half a billion dollars a year on 'public policy', probably much of it pre-tax. Now granted, it is used to manipulate elections, to much apparent salutory effect in Eastern Europe, but doesn't he understand that bought and paid for influence is fundamentally corrupting? You can see it in the perversion of the liberal thought process.
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What, no comment from Barne... (Below threshold)
Richard Romano:

What, no comment from BarneyG2000? The troll only comes around when Republicans are the focus--but when his kook defeatists are falling all over themselves, the man disappears...typical left wing cowardice.

Probably it's due to the... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Probably it's due to the Democrats winning the majority, journalists, like just about anyone, are less likely to be "nice" to those in power the way they might be to those who are not in power.

Gee, ya think?!

Whaddya do, just start paying attention only when Bush took over?

No, but I've paid attention... (Below threshold)
kim:

No, but I've paid attention to the Swifties, the Killian forgeries, the Joe Wilson lies, and the Gorebellied Fool's global warming scam, and I have an understanding of how journalism suppresses the truth.
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Pelosi and Obey can't help ... (Below threshold)
Michael Evilcorn:

Pelosi and Obey can't help it. They were born with a silver foot in their mouths.




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