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You Just Make Sharks Hungrier When You Feed Them

David Limbaugh has a column perfectly timed to coincide with talk of an impending Gonzalez resignation. His point is that Republicans have taken too many baseless charges and attacks without fighting back and that anytime Republicans give any indication that they are giving in Democrats go in for the kill.

Surely in their wildest dreams Democrats didn't expect the PR and electoral bonanza they've achieved with their "Bush lied" lie. When they first trotted it out, it was almost too preposterous to require refutation. But with four years of daily repetition it has become so entrenched in the conventional wisdom that those of us who bother to refute it are considered the deceivers or the brainwashed.

Every time the administration has attempted to defend itself, bulldog Democrats begin their counter-counter propaganda almost before Republicans offer their tepid defense. Democrats rarely bother even defending challenges to their false claims. They just go straight back on offense, accusing the administration, for example, of challenging their patriotism, though neither the "p" word, nor any of its synonyms, was uttered. The mainstream media then conspires to make the false patriotism charge the story of the day.
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In every case where the administration has relented, either through fatigue or hopes of conciliation and compromise, the Democrats have been energized to greater partisan stridency, not less. The lesson is that you just make sharks hungrier when you feed them.

Don't think these rhetorical battles are merely partisan squabbles with minimal fallout. How can we expect the rest of the civilized world, to say nothing of the Arab street, to believe the United States is a force for good in the world, when one of its two major political parties -- with little resistance from the other -- portrays it as an evil empire bent on stealing the world's oil and torturing "freedom fighters"?

Amen, David. This is something that drives me crazy. Democrats play political games accusing Republicans of things they know are not true, but worse than that, they do so on matters that have national security implications. Call the President a liar who is only interested in stealing oil and then take no responsibility for so many in the world having negative opinions of America. Embolden terrorists, then attack the administration for increased violence. It is almost too ridiculous to believe, but they have gotten away with it time after time, partially because they have friends in the media willing to take their baseless accusations at face value, but in large part because Republicans have decided not to fight back. I have come to the point that I am as angry at Republicans for taking it as I am at Democrats for piling on in spite of the damage they have done to the country with their attacks. I don't want to assign words to David that he didn't say, but I think he would agree with me when I say that Republicans need to grow a pair.


Comments (64)

Couldn't agree more. The ... (Below threshold)
harris:

Couldn't agree more. The Dems can say the most outrageous things, and the Republicans seem to fear replying. I thought last year, and again this, that unless the Republicans can put together a communications program which provides an uniform response as well as some pointed attacks of their own, we will again lose badly.
The dems are darn good at staying on message where the Republicans scatter like chickens, each trying to protect him or herself.

Harris,I thought Kar... (Below threshold)
Just Saying:

Harris,
I thought Karl Rove was the political attack communications guru for the Bushies. What the heck has he been doing?

Too many republicans were r... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

Too many republicans were reared as Ladies and Gentlemen and remain that today. It's hard for the average intelligent person to believe that such slime as the democrat party exist in this country. They see the pictures of the slime balls on the news and still refuse to believe they are looking at the leadership of the democrat party. I'm not one of the P.C. Gentlemen although my Mother thought she reared me that way. I've changed to someone that is ready to kill so called Americans that act like the crowd in Portland Oregon. Wish I had been there with a loaded 30-06 and plenty of ammo, the streets would have been red with blood. After you see the pictures you will join me. MM has a link to them.

I have come to the point... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

I have come to the point that I am as angry at Republicans for taking it as I am at Democrats for piling on in spite of the damage they have done to the country with their attacks...Republicans need to grow a pair.

Lorie, just a friendly thought: one of the lessons of Chekov's "The Cherry Orchard" is that, on the smallest level, revolution begins at home. I'd love to see you, Kim, Jay Tea, et.al, respond more to the vitriolic claptrap, misinformation, lies and personal attacks regarding your posts here at Wizbang. I know you all are busy and cannot possibly respond to every post and nit, etc., but it would be nice to see all of you come to your collective defense and fight back a little more often.

"Republicans need to grow a... (Below threshold)
Knightbrigade:

"Republicans need to grow a pair."

Like, Ann Coulter? or..um not THAT big ?

That's what those who defended her were talking about. NOT defending the "WORD" she used, but the PC effect....like libtards are gonna be happy with Republicans all of a sudden if one speaks nice and CORRECT things.
bwhahaha.......

Liberals are asshats and the more we/Conservative/Republicans call them on it, the better!!!

The problem is audience foc... (Below threshold)

The problem is audience focus. To what audience are Republican denials or counterattacks addressed? Who's listening? Most important of all, who is persuadable?

It's not necessarily bad tactics to whisper when your opponents are screaming and spraying spittle. But it can be very difficult to ensure that persons capable of grasping what you're saying are actually paying attention...in particular, paying attention to you.

America enjoys a low opinio... (Below threshold)
Rob:

America enjoys a low opinion around the world because we are seen as an agressor nation with no regard for international law. And it's not because Cindy Sheehan calls tortured terrorists "freedom fighters" it's because we choose to torture them at all. The Democrats may know how to manufacture a scandal (a shortcoming that has befallen the republicans on more than one occassion, I might add) but the republicans, at least the true believers on this site, are still utterly clueless about why America is where it is today.

Ah yes, this is the kind of... (Below threshold)
epador:

Ah yes, this is the kind of high-minded even-handedness that folks who crossed parties to vote to punish their worthless do-nothing Republican Administration and Legislature envisioned. Good to see its working. Just like it has for the past 200 years.

Yawn.

Rob said... Ah yes, this is... (Below threshold)
Mike:

Rob said... Ah yes, this is the kind of high-minded even-handedness that folks who crossed parties to vote to punish their worthless do-nothing Republican Administration and Legislature envisioned. Good to see its working. Just like it has for the past 200 years.

YOU'RE AN IDIOT...

Is epador sort of an Illy-P... (Below threshold)
kim:

Is epador sort of an Illy-Pie in reverse? Just trying to clear the air, here.
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Too many fair weather Repub... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

Too many fair weather Republicans who are politicians first. Part of that is pandering to the media for airtime.

The Democrats cull their numbers, its time for the Republicans to do the same. Although it will likely cost the party short term, it will be a stronger party in the long run. With the crew we have, we're gonna get twamped in '08, '10, '12, ...

If we had bit the bullet, we would have gotten twamped in '06 and done well in '08 and great in '10 and forward.

So let me get this straigh... (Below threshold)
Hugh:

So let me get this straight. The world has a negative opinion of the US because democrats are mean to Bush? Not because we invaded an Arab country; not because we torture Arabs, not because we imprison Arabs in a gulag in Cuba: not because we snatch Arabs off the street with no information about it to their families; not because we go into countries like Italy and kidnap people; not because the FBI stomps all over the Patriot Act; not because we choose not to participate in a global effort to deal with global warming? None of these may be the reason the world detests us, it's because some folks call Bush a liar?

Every day I'm sure that the latest pathetic (wing)nut whine can't be topped. Every day I'm wrong.

The republicans have never ... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

The republicans have never learned how to play as a debased dimmer might. The comment about republicans were raised to be civil is more on the mark then not. The dimmers have become selfish, slimey, elitists who immediately pounce on anyone, ANYONE who actually disagrees with them. How pathetic is that? ww

...we imprison Arabs in ... (Below threshold)

...we imprison Arabs in a gulag in Cuba;

That was over the top, even for you, Hugh.

Not because the Arab, Sadda... (Below threshold)
kim:

Not because the Arab, Saddam defied the UN, not because we don't slice Arabs heads off, not because we honor the civil rights of our detainees, not because we don't encourage children to blow themselves up, not because we don't go into countries and blow up their schoolchildren, not because the FBI respects the Patriot Act, and not because we don't listen to the hypocritical Gorebellied Fool.

Open the other eye, Hugh, and see a doctor about the jaundice.
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Your liver is shot.=... (Below threshold)
kim:

Your liver is shot.
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wwI'd like to see ... (Below threshold)
Hugh:

ww

I'd like to see the sociological, historical or other studies which conclude that republicans were raised to be "civil." The inference of course being that democrats were raise to be uncivil.

That's a desperate statement if ever there was one. And it's hysterically funny.

kimSo the world, i... (Below threshold)
Hugh:

kim

So the world, in Lories words, has a "negative opinion(s) of America" because of the facts you just wrote. Sometimes you should get out from underneath your ideology and look at the world and reality as it is.

The other day I heard, in a... (Below threshold)
groucho:

The other day I heard, in a song, a description of how much of the world must view US: "like a drunken 15 year-old frat boy waving a gun in their faces" or something like that. Made sense to me.

The US, and a variable coal... (Below threshold)
kim:

The US, and a variable coalition of democracies, is the world's civil authority today, in the default of the UN. All your whining is just jealousy.
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Yes, Hugh. And Gitmo is a ... (Below threshold)

Yes, Hugh. And Gitmo is a gulag - right?

And we go to Italy to kidnap "people". Not a known terrorist belonging to a known terror organization, al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya, that even Egypt has outlawed, but "people".

Now what was that about "reality"?

Oyster, thank you, you prov... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Oyster, thank you, you proved my point about the dimmers. ww

The US feeds the world's hu... (Below threshold)
nikkolai:

The US feeds the world's hungry, clothes the world's naked, frees the oppressed from tyrany.

Yeah, make sure you jump on... (Below threshold)
ChrisO:

Yeah, make sure you jump on Hugh and any other liberal that posts on this board. But let's remain silent when Scrapiron advocates shooting protesters. You guys are so blinded with hate that any comment by a liberal brings out the foaming mouth insults, but advocating shooting protestors because you don't like what they're saying is acceptable. Tolerating protestors whose views you despise is part of what made this country great. 9/11 was very illuminating in that it revealed many people's true anti-democratic intincts. Wanting to stop people from expressing their views is about as anti-American as you can get, and wrapping yourself in the flag and declaring yourself the true patriot doesn't change that.

I think what the protestors did in Portland is despicable. But "Wish I had been there with a loaded 30-06 and plenty of ammo, the streets would have been red with blood?" I guess as long as somebody is singing from your songbook you don't care how twisted he is.

Once again you miss the poi... (Below threshold)
Hugh:

Once again you miss the point Oyster. It was Lorie who said the world had a negative opinion of the US because, in essence, people say negative things about Bush. That is an absurd statement as I'm sure you know. You think the Italians (well some) don't have a negative opinion of the US when whomever is kidnapped from their streets by employees of our government? I don't for as minute believe you're that naive.

Now that the Walker-Bush K ... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

Now that the Walker-Bush K Street Karavan is stranded in Palookaville, the "talent" has had to hoof it, waddling door to door in dusty tuxedos and raggedy clown suits, begging a bite from good Christian folk, inventing reason why a dry oilpan isn't their fault. "And what's a ...tool...box?"

WHY DONT VULTURES LIKE LAWY... (Below threshold)
spurwing plover:

WHY DONT VULTURES LIKE LAWYERS? THEY DONT CARE FOR THE COMPETITION

Only effective way to stop ... (Below threshold)
Jeff:

Only effective way to stop feeding sharks is either depth charges, or, volumnous amounts of vectored projectiles...

"It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop. Ever. Until you are dead...." -Kyle Reece (maybe good advice on handling Democrats, like Terminators...)

-Jeff

I think it's hillarous that... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

I think it's hillarous that Hugh mocks himself in his 7:51 am post.

First he denies that the democrats/MSM are responsible for the alleged poor international opinion of the US, then he runs off a string of evil lies which have become "conventionl wisdom" thanks the evil liars the democrat party: the politicians, the supports (KOS, ect.), and the MSM.

How dense does one have to be to not see something so obvious?

Hugh is a useful idiot. Th... (Below threshold)
kim:

Hugh is a useful idiot. They are numerous.
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Seriously, hugh single hand... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

Seriously, hugh single handedly proved the point of this post better than anyone could have hoped.

Right, D-Hoggs, and that's ... (Below threshold)
kim:

Right, D-Hoggs, and that's how the idiots become unuseful. Sorry, Hugh. Your fifteen minutes are bought and paid for.
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The dimmers are a self-loat... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

The dimmers are a self-loathing, guilt ridden bunch. We have it great here in America. We feed the poor, support governments,etc. The dimmers honestly believe we have it too good and should not be happy. No logic. Just pathetic attack and insult. ww

Why do you think the whole ... (Below threshold)
kim:

Why do you think the whole world want to be here, except of course for the self-loathers. You sure don't see them emigrating, however. Not that they should; not they they should be consistent.
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Hey Scrap' I have my huntin... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Hey Scrap' I have my hunting gear ready. (might want to wait until the hughie's, p'p''s, bryanDirtbag's, grouchy etc. are out feeding with the rest tho). Might as well get rid of two "birds" with one stone. LOL

then he runs off a strin... (Below threshold)
Brian:

then he runs off a string of evil lies which have become "conventionl wisdom"

The real problem is that you see those things as "evil lies".

The real problem, Brian, is... (Below threshold)
kim:

The real problem, Brian, is that you don't.
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Brian, not signing Kyoto wa... (Below threshold)
kim:

Brian, not signing Kyoto was a bipartisan, 99-0 vote in the US Senate when Bush was Governor of Texas. Yet you'll go along with Hugh that it was Bush's fault.

Do you see?
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The Republicans have been o... (Below threshold)
Lee ;-):

The Republicans have been off kilter ever since the Foley scandal. Expect it to stay that way until after the '08 election. Looks the Rovian Beast has lost his black magic... and you guys are plainly outclassed.

Surrender now and maintain some dignity for cyrin' out loud. The '08 election is shaping up to be a landslide. Give it up and we'll let jhow66 keep his trial AOL account until after the election.

This is your final warning...

You didn't mind watching Me... (Below threshold)
kim:

You didn't mind watching Melanie Sloan sell gay people down the river, Lee?
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bryan: The real problem is ... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

bryan: The real problem is that you see those things as "evil lies".

Please bryan, enlighten us on these cuban gulags. Jesus you guys are bat shit crazy.

lee: The '08 election is shaping up to be a landslide.

That is one of the more humorous things I've heard in a long time!

Ladies and gentlemen, for ... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

Ladies and gentlemen, for those new to the neighborhood please keep your arms and legs in the vehicle. Better yet for ultimate protection keep your windows rolled up , many of the creatures at this site suffer from extreme BDS and ejaculation of the mouth. also, whatever you do , no matter how much they whine , cry and beg do not unlock your door or roll down your window even to throw food at them. Failure to heed these basic safety precautions will lead to permanent brain damage.

Todays featured embarrassment to the Human race part neanderthal and part jackass goes by the name of Lee. You can say he is the leader of this Motley Crew who feels the need to insult others intelligence while being oblivious to his lack there of.

Oh look! He just spouts off the following , please no flash photography , it gives him Diarea of the Mouth.


"And notice the people who follow below on this thread with comments disputing my prediction are the same ones who claimed the Dems wouldn't win in '06, and are the same commenters who said the Iraq would not turn into a civil war, and who have more recently said the surge was necessary and needed"

"The British poll determined 61 percent don't believe they're in a civil war ... most Iraqis do not believe their country is embroiled in a civil war. ..."

http://newsbusters.org/node/11521

What do the BDS-ocrats do? WAAAAAA!!

What does the Democrat Media Frauds do? WAAAAA!

I like what CSPAN Did Yesterday , they seemed to just thumb their nose at the Iraqi's as if they are stupid and should have no say in the state of affairs in their own lives , city or country. So they take a poll asking what their viewers what they think , whether or not Iraq is in a civil war. Looks like the Democrat perpetual fraud management got caught slippin. Democrat media responds ,a bunch of our (Biased)(Skewed) and (Democrat Oversampled) polls conclude you Iraqi's have been misled by President George W Bush and it's all America's Fault.

Not to worry Lee and you Lee-likes, Brave honorable and courageous AMERICANS will bleed and yes , give their life so people like yourselves will indulge in the freedom they have provided to be as stupid and ignorant as you can possible be.

Love how you guys support(bullshit!) the troops.

Here's some more stuff from... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Here's some more stuff from the poll you link to, Rob:

One in four Iraqis has had a family member murdered, says the poll by Opinion Research Business. In Baghdad, the capital, one in four has had a relative kidnapped and one in three said members of their family had fled abroad.

Ah, freedom.

More than half say security will improve after a withdrawal of multinational forces.

Hang in there, it might happen someday.

I saw a bit of anti-war pro... (Below threshold)
Lee:

I saw a bit of anti-war propaganda a few days ago (that I have not fact-checked) that said the number of Iraqi citizens killed in the Iraqi Civil War is the equivalent -- percentage wise -- of the population of the San Francisco Bay Area if it was a U.S. civil war.

Huge surprise lee is throwi... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

Huge surprise lee is throwing out anti-war info he hasn't fact checked.

mantis where do you see tha... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

mantis where do you see that stuff, cause I'm not seeing it in what rob linked?

"Huge surprise lee is th... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"Huge surprise lee is throwing out anti-war info he hasn't fact checked."

And I identify it when I do.

Try suggesting that to Kim, Lorie, and to a lesser extent Jay...

Paul and Kevin do a pretty good job, but Lorie and Kim lob up some real floaters from time to time; air-driven factoids that have no gravity whatsoever.... Some of those "drive-by linkings" to Malkin and others have been real stinkers at times...

mantis where do you see ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

mantis where do you see that stuff, cause I'm not seeing it in what rob linked?

'Cause you're looking at the article Rob linked to, and not the source poll the article was based on.

The real problem, Brian,... (Below threshold)
Brian:

The real problem, Brian, is that you don't.

Well, 70+% of the United States and a much larger percentage of the world sees it my way, so I'm quite comfortable with the facts.

No Brian, I looked at all t... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

No Brian, I looked at all the links within the newsbuster link as well, and didn't see anything mantis mentioned. Why don't you stop being an asshole for a minute and provide a link if you have it, I am asking a legitimate question, I never said what he said isn't there, just that I don't see it, so do you want to continue to be your usual dick-self or maybe be helpful and show me where the text is mantis writes?

lee, I am not talking about... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

lee, I am not talking about anyone else here but you, and neither were you, so cut the shit. As far as throwing up stinkers, you take the cake. What is the point of posting ridiculous shit you admittedly haven't fact check except for the hope that it catches on somewhere? Besides the fact that you believe 630k Iraqis have been killed in a "civil war", what is the point of your post? And would brian's number he pulled out of his ass, 70+% of the US and much larger % of the world that believe we run gulags in cuba just to torture arabs fall into your category of ridiculous bullshit? cause if it doesn't, you're a fucking hypocrite.

Follow this link from Newsb... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Follow this link from Newsbusters:

The Times of London's summary of the poll: "Iraqis: life is getting better."

And just to get the jump on you, yes, the full quote is this:

By a majority of two to one, Iraqis believe military operations now under way will disarm all militias. More than half say security will improve after a withdrawal of multinational forces.

I figured if Rob was cherrypicking, so would I. ;)

Hah! Thanks mantis. ... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

Hah! Thanks mantis.

I just Googled mantis's exc... (Below threshold)
Brian:

I just Googled mantis's excerpt, and it came right up.

yeah, as do 507,000 other r... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

yeah, as do 507,000 other results. That doesn't show where it relates to what rob posted. Go figure you'd keep being a douche instead of answering a simpe question as mantis was able to do.

And would brian's number... (Below threshold)
Brian:

And would brian's number he pulled out of his ass, 70+% of the US and much larger % of the world

That answer would be "no".

brian logic:"Nearl... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

brian logic:

"Nearly 70 percent pessimistic on war outcome"

Equals

70+ percent of the US and and much larger % of the world believe that we invaded an Arab country; we torture Arabs, we imprison Arabs in a gulag in Cuba: we snatch Arabs off the street with no information about it to their families; we go into countries like Italy and kidnap people; the FBI stomps all over the Patriot Act; we choose not to participate in a global effort to deal with global warming

Wow. Talk about a leap.

funny, I read brian's link ... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

funny, I read brian's link backing up his claim again and can still find not ONE mention of invasion, torture, gulags, kidnappings, the patriot act or global warming. It's amazing how he can get so much more information out of, "Nearly 70 percent pessimistic on war outcome" than I can!

Try using Google, which you... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Try using Google, which you're apparently demonstrating that you can't. If you're looking for the word "gulag", then you're just being whiny, and you'll never find it. If you're asking me to summarize the last year of public opinion that the people of the US are fed up with lies, Abu Ghraib, rendition, torture, lies, domestic spying, White House secrecy, intelligence abuses, and lies, then you're being disingenuous, and I won't waste the time.

I am being disingenuous?!!!... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

I am being disingenuous?!!!! HAAAAAHAHAHAHA!!! brian, are you mentally ill? Don't answer that, we already know. You restate that,

70+ percent of the US and and much larger % of the world believe that we invaded an Arab country; we torture Arabs, we imprison Arabs in a gulag in Cuba: we snatch Arabs off the street with no information about it to their families; we go into countries like Italy and kidnap people; the FBI stomps all over the Patriot Act; we choose not to participate in a global effort to deal with global warming,

and then post this as evidence,
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17501777/

Which mentions NOT ONE of those items. And I am the one being disengenuous!! Oh, man, thats good!

And as far as using Google ... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

And as far as using Google brian, I googled the entire sentence, "More than half say security will improve after a withdrawal of multinational forces." And it comes up with 507,000 hits. Apparently you are not understanding that I was asking where that information was IN RELATION to what rob linked, not just a google search. I know, it's tough stuff to understand and you're slow, don't sweat it.

And it comes up with 507... (Below threshold)
Brian:

And it comes up with 507,000 hits.

Any one of which takes you to information about the poll that mantis mentioned, and answers your question, "mantis where do you see that stuff?"

And I'm the slow one.

Hey, there are two recent p... (Below threshold)
kim:

Hey, there are two recent polls of Iraqis out which have varying results. It won't be long before we see which is right.

Hooey, check out the news from Fallujah, today. Tribesmen and Iraqi police cleaning out terrorists. Hey, what happened to the 'insurgents'?
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Uh, that's Sunni tribesmen ... (Below threshold)
kim:

Uh, that's Sunni tribesmen for the less aware among you.
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