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Brother, can you spare a dhimmi?

Well, this must be a happy day at the Boston Globe. They've found someone new to surrender to: The Muslim Brotherhood.

These are the fine, upstanding, decent, moderate Muslims we need to bolster in our fight against militant Islam. They've repeatedly shown us where they stand on some issues:

And that's not even touching on their plan to bring Shariah law to the whole world. They've already made great strides in Europe and Canada.

Yes, the government of Egypt is pretty wretched. And yes, there are times when you have to choose the "lesser of two evils." During World War II, Hitler was the more immediate threat than Stalin. During the Iran-Iraq War, Saddam was marginally more palatable than Khomeini.

But for every example like that, there's a counterexample when the wrong bad guy was chosen. Jimmy Carter tossed aside the Shah of Iran -- a dictator, but one who kept the crazies in check and was a fair US ally -- for the above-mentioned Ayatollah Khomeini, and we've been paying the price on that particular bad move for decades -- and most likely will continue for years to come.


But never mistake temporary allies of convenience, or even useful villains, for friends. There is a time for realpolitik, and a time for principle. This is one of the times when realpolitik is giving us a choice between continuing with a bad policy, or replacing it with one that's worse.


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Comments (57)

Much as I otherwise wholehe... (Below threshold)
kim:

Much as I otherwise wholeheartedly agree, I must admit, it ain't all Jimmuh's fault. Blame nukyular on him, and maybe not kowtowing to dictators, so really, but there it is. What?
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Here I sit broken-hearted; ... (Below threshold)
dalleceneri:

Here I sit broken-hearted; come to comment on a post and... rather than finding a rant on the Globe's op-ed, "Gonzales should be impeached," I only find a rerant the Muslims.

dalleceneri will have,<br /... (Below threshold)
kim:

dalleceneri will have,
To empty his mind,
Some other time.
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Is that blush from shame?<b... (Below threshold)
kim:

Is that blush from shame?
Or thinks he,
Flush from victory?
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I hear you dall, the AG lie... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

I hear you dall, the AG lies to congress, at a press conference and again in an Op-ed, but let's discuss how bad the Muslims are.

Talk about bad choices? Here is one, going after Saddam when the real treat to our "freedoms" was right here in the White House.

Here I sit broken-heart... (Below threshold)
marc:

Here I sit broken-hearted; dalleceneri

My heart pumps purple piss for you. I feel oh so sorry that your position as pseudo-editor-in-chief of Wizbang doesn't truly allow you to actually select what is posted online.

Can I close the sarcasm tags now or should I continue feeding this moronic troll?

Same goes for you barneyRUB... (Below threshold)
marc:

Same goes for you barneyRUBBLE!!

Mr. Tea writes: "During th... (Below threshold)
Herman:

Mr. Tea writes: "During the Iran-Iraq War, Saddam was marginally more palatable than Khomeini."

WHAT KIND OF UTTERLY MESSED UP CRAP IS THIS???

Look, Mr. Tea, get this through your head: IRAQ INVADED IRAN, an immoral attack that led to the deaths of at least a million people. Not only that, but Iraq used poison gas (mustard gas and sarin) on Iranian soldiers. Iraq also used chemical weapons on Iranian civilians, some of whom still suffer to this day.

I know, I know, some of you conservatives might say, "But Saint Ronnie favored Iraq, and that makes it all okay. We blindly follow our beloved Saint Ronnie." Indeed, you likely recall the photograph of Rumsfeld happily shaking hands with Saddam. To all this I would reply that Reagan was absolutely no paragon of virtue, just ask the Nicaraguans, whose democratically elected government Reagan tried to overthrow.

H, both sides used chemical... (Below threshold)
kim:

H, both sides used chemical WMD. I'm in the number who believe that most of the victims of Jalaba were by Persian nerve gas, not Iraqi respiratory gas. And that was a skirmish of blood for water.
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Hey Barney,..mind telling u... (Below threshold)
metprof:

Hey Barney,..mind telling us what freedoms of yours you've lost due to GWB? (let's have personal examples, please. Not just the usual Cindy Sheehan/Kos/DU trash.)

Yeah, I didn't think so.

BUSHHITLERHALLIBURTONCHENEYWARFORSPINACH...lolol

Yeah Herman, too bad Reagan... (Below threshold)
metprof:

Yeah Herman, too bad Reagan was put into office. I personally loved 22% mortgages and 18% inflation. Damn,....if Carter could only have been reelected.....we'd be right in there with those european economic jugernauts France, Belgium, and Holland.

I worked for a major shipbu... (Below threshold)
TR19667:

I worked for a major shipbuilding corporation and we used to make jokes about the LA class sub the USS Jimmy CARTER. "It carried weapons but no way to use them", "The tubes where fitted only for shooting cash to the PLO" "Arafat was the second officer" etc., you get the jist.

What a legacy......

dalleceneri, Navigate if yo... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

dalleceneri, Navigate if you know how, to Big Lizards blog. Scroll down to the March 24th entry and prepare to eat crow. I know you cannot recognize truth because you accept only that which fits with the lies you already believe. If you do not like it here go back to the daily kos where you came from. Herman, where did you learn history? Dell comics?

Herman,Iran attack... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

Herman,

Iran attacked first. Invading our Embassy is considered grounds for an Act of War.

Oh, you mean the Iraq-Iran War which started with US support under Jimmy Carter.

Hey Barney,..mind telling u... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Hey Barney,..mind telling us what freedoms of yours you've lost due to GWB? (let's have personal examples, please. metprof

OK, how about 140,000 national security letters executed without oversight or a judges review? The FBI spying on US citizens is violation of our 4th Amendment rights. Remember when Bush said "you need a judges approval..."?

Is that good enough for you?

barneyRUBBLE:"... (Below threshold)
marc:

barneyRUBBLE:

"The FBI spying on US citizens"

Well now, that explains a lot of things about your mindset RUBBLE. You're scared!

Scared, pissin' pants scared! But why barney, been phoning terrorist groups lately?

Added to that you've become apologetic over national security letters and that has allowed you to join the "race for juicy media sound bites about infringements of privacy and civil liberties and calls for eliminating or diminishing the program."

The reality is you've joined the chorus of fellow scaredy cats who want to stop a valuable program that predated 9/11.

marc, I love it when your o... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

marc, I love it when your own links hang (you do this all the time) yourself. Case in point:

"This determination is quite troubling and inexcusable. Disclosure of this report has obviously garnered considerable and deserved media scrutiny."

Just like yesterday when I asked you to provide citations where Democrats have asked for the assignation of Bush and you provided links to:
-A British Docudrama (did not even call for Bush's death)
-A blog from Germany
-A quote from Moressy (washed-up Brit pop star)

Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?

Barney,quit being such a li... (Below threshold)
BillyBob:

Barney,quit being such a liberal faggot.

for the libs:<... (Below threshold)
macofromoc:


for the libs:

should we talk/negotiate with the Muslim Brotherhood, Fatah, Islamic Jihad???
Should we have negotiated with the Nazis?? Can their word be trusted??

you get the idea

barneyRUBBLE:D... (Below threshold)
marc:

barneyRUBBLE:

Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?

We are all "wrong" at various times on various things. Yes the examples I gave were not specifically by Americans or Dems. That was more to do with time constraints than other examples not being available. As I said, if you're unaware of the death threats and or wishing Bush/Cheney were dead that are present at dKos, the DUmmuies or HuffandPuffand many other places your sadly misguided.

However, there is a difference from being wrong and selecting text as you have done that has zero to do with the the point being made.

(and your points was: "140,000 national security letters executed without oversight or a judges review?" that you are pissing your diaper about)

You purposefully ignore this section of the link and place your rebuttal in the hands of those giving "media scrutiny."

The problems identified by the IG are problems of process in terms of record keeping and reporting, which are administrative. The process in terms of operation and use of the information has not been problematic.

Not "problematic" asshat, got it?! You also ignore this section of the same link:

As such, civil liberties are not at risk. The only true risk is to national security if this issue escalates as a platform to diminish or eliminate an important investigative tool.

Now explain what civil liberties you have lost because of this program?

marc, I did! You can not d... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

marc, I did! You can not deny that the FBI illegally spied on Americans. To say it was just a mistake (140K mistakes?) is missing the point. A great deal of those "mistakes" were not for national security reasons.

Marc, since when is "mistake" a defense? I would hope that the FBI would know a little bit about the law. Does their actions inspire confidence? The FBI is the number one domestic defense against terrorism? Does it bother you that this is another example of Alberto's idea of being an effective defender of the home land?

If you did not like my first example, how about this? On at least three occasions last week, Tony Snow said the Legislative branch doe NOT have oversight responsibilities over the Executive branch.

He is saying the President is above the law! What we on the left have feared: The Imperial President. That is total BS. I think he forgot about impeachment powers of the Congress.

marc, do you think this is ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

marc, do you think this is the way our Government should work?

WaPo 3/10/07:
It also found that the FBI had hatched an agreement with telephone companies allowing the agency to ask for information on more than 3,000 phone numbers -- often without a subpoena, without an emergency or even without an investigative case.

Let's not forget that Democrats argued against this very provision. We were told by the Administration that safe guards were in place, and abuses could not happen.

Right!

barneyRUBBLE:T... (Below threshold)
marc:

barneyRUBBLE:

Tony Snow said the Legislative branch doe NOT have oversight responsibilities over the Executive branch.

Gimme some links. Not quotes, links with the full text of Snows remarks.

It's not that I don't believe you... well that's a lie I believe only about 5% of what you post.

And I repeat for [im]possible cranial insertion: As such, civil liberties are not at risk

Barney would let his mercha... (Below threshold)
kim:

Barney would let his merchants datamine to take his fortune, but won't let his soldiers datamine to save his life.
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Barney I see you write abou... (Below threshold)
Wiley T. Stoner:

Barney I see you write about what you say others civil liberties other have supposedly lost. The question was what have you personally lost? As to the impeachment powers of Congress. They apply only to high crimes and misdemeanore. I think you will find Mr. Bush literally unimpeachable with the way the Senate is split. The democrats are just one mistake away from converting Joe Lieberman into a Republican and that Barney will switch the majority back to the GOP. I think you are, BarneyG 2000, neck and neck with Publicus as the most ignorant poster at Wizbang. It is a dubious honor you richly deserve.

marc:Press secreta... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

marc:

Press secretary Tony Snow repeatedly advanced a dubious talking point yesterday in his tour of the morning shows -- and again at his press briefing.

Think Progress has some quotes from the morning shows: "There's another principle, which is Congress doesn't have the legislative -- I mean oversight authority over the White House," Snow told CNN. "First, the White House is under no compulsion to do anything. The legislative branch doesn't have oversight," he told MSNBC. "Congress doesn't have any legitimate oversight and responsibilities to the White House," he told Fox News.

Here he is on ABC: "The executive branch is under no compulsion to testify to Congress, because Congress in fact doesn't have oversight ability. So what we've said is we're going to reach out to you -- we'll give you every communication between the White House, the Justice Department, the Congress, anybody on the outside, any kind of communication that would indicate any kind of activity outside, and at the same time, we'll make available to you any of the officials you want to talk to . . . knowing full well that anything they said is still subject to legal scrutiny, and the members of Congress know that."

And here he is a bit later, at yesterday's briefing, toning it down slightly:

"MR. SNOW: There are -- in this particular case, the Department of Justice -- the Congress does have legitimate oversight responsibility for the Department of Justice. It created the Department of Justice. It does not have constitutional oversight responsibility over the White House, which is why by our reaching out, we're doing something that we're not compelled to do by the Constitution, but we think common sense suggests that we ought to get the whole story out, which is what we're doing."

The links did not copy over. I will have to pull manually. Hang on buddy.

marc, go here. The links a... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:
NO Barney, PAY ATTENTION! W... (Below threshold)
metprof:

NO Barney, PAY ATTENTION! What freedoms HAVE YOU LOST?

Answer the question, please. Quit spewing the usual liberal nonsense.

And of course the answer is that you haven't lost any freedoms.

How does that saying go, "f... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

How does that saying go, "first they came for ..." or how about this, "What you do to my lowest creature...".

Everyone looses their freedoms when the Constitution is abused. Thank God the Democrats have brought accountability back to this administration.

So, Barney what you are say... (Below threshold)
Wiley T. Stoner:

So, Barney what you are saying is that in fact you have not lost any civil liberties or you are accepting without any validation, that others have and that in someway injures you? What is really scary is that people like you have access to means to spread the idiotic lies you tell. In past times, you would have already been inprisoned for treason. Thats tolerance for you. I think you have grounds for a law suit against the education system that in your case, produced a fool.

barney'answer the question ... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

barney'answer the question you FRAUD. Also give us ONE name of someone they spied on for no reason. Waiting Fraud.

marc and metprof -- you mus... (Below threshold)

marc and metprof -- you must understand -- Brney is talking about "The Force," not the Constitution. He is believing that he loses his Constitutionally protected privacy when a computer databank someplace runs a million numbers through a program and spits out a dozen hits that have nothing to do with him.

It's a "feeling" thing.

We are all "wrong" at va... (Below threshold)
mantis:

We are all "wrong" at various times on various things. Yes the examples I gave were not specifically by Americans or Dems. That was more to do with time constraints than other examples not being available. As I said, if you're unaware of the death threats and or wishing Bush/Cheney were dead that are present at dKos, the DUmmuies or HuffandPuffand many other places your sadly misguided.

No links, but 29 minutes later.....

Gimme some links. Not quotes, links with the full text of Snows remarks.

Barney would let his mercha... (Below threshold)
kim:

Barney would let his merchants datamine himself to take his fortune, but won't allow the datamining of his enemies to prevent the taking of his life.
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mantis, hah, trying to act ... (Below threshold)
kim:

mantis, hah, trying to act skeptical. Hey, read Jonathan Rausch, ReasonOnline, 3/23/07, 'A Convenient Truth' for insight into carbon trading.
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"But never mistake temporar... (Below threshold)
epador:

"But never mistake temporary allies of convenience, or even useful villains, for friends."

Useful advice for those who ally with political foes against a common enemy, subordinates and managers bonding together to save their company, or bloggers from both sides stating they are going to turn a new leaf in 2007 and stop with the pre-adolescent name-calling and obfuscation already.

Three times I have almost b... (Below threshold)
civil behavior:

Three times I have almost been thrown in jail for protesting against the Bush administration as a single individual holding a sign impeding no one's progress. A local group of which I participated in counter recrutiment events with were being investigated by the FBI as a threat. A Quaker peace group it was.

So, are people's rights being abrogated? Yes, and unless you are willing to stick your neck out there you won't notice it but guaranteed as Barney said your own rights are being undermined.

Just ask the eight US attorneys. It's pretty obvious now that they are being singled out for retribution for challenging the Bush admnistration's legacy of corruption. Looks to me that along with Brownie and Rummy and Tommy the pest man and Duke and Libby and the long list of crooks that Alberto too is going down along with these other damnable liars.

Wake up Americans......you aren't just getting a blow job, you are being royally screwed.

Barney G2000, good job!... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

Barney G2000, good job!

And I always love marc's disappearing act.

i.e. Intro fff, Outro ppp. Good stuff!

Here is another example of ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Here is another example of how Bush believes that he is above the Constitution (signing statement on the Patriot Act):

Bush wrote: ''The executive branch shall construe the provisions . . . that call for furnishing information to entities outside the executive branch . . . in a manner consistent with the president's constitutional authority to supervise the unitary executive branch and to withhold information . . . "

When the President thinks that he is above the laws of the land, all of us loose our freedoms.

Also, Bush said: "you need a court order for a wiretap". Well in 143,000 cases Bush lied.

As for jhow, I provided a link and statement from the GOA that over 3,000 cases exist where the FBI spied on US citizens without cause. I guess you were too drunk to notice that comment.

Darfuriens die for civil ri... (Below threshold)
kim:

Darfuriens die for civil rights, young women are honor killed in Paki, a woman's beating by her husband is justified in Germany, and civil behaviour was almost thrown in jail three times back in the USSA.
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Barney would let his mercha... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Barney would let his merchants datamine himself to take his fortune, kim

If you only knew.

barney's "proof."<... (Below threshold)
marc:

barney's "proof."

"There's another principle, which is Congress doesn't have the legislative -- I mean oversight authority over the White House,

And IN CONTEXT that means what? They have no oversight on presidential staff, i.e. White House as opposed to the Legislative branch.

Of course if you can find a Constitutional ref stating that it does I might agree with you. FAT CHANCE, however

bryanD[elusonal]

And I always love marc's disappearing act. i.e. Intro fff, Outro ppp. Good stuff! Posted by: bryanD at March 25, 2007 10:28 PM

You wouldn't know "good stuff" if it were jammed down your throat with a ham sandwich.

But of course, "you're right" silly me. I should have kept on hold any of the more important things at the moment, like say, getting the kids off the school, and stuck around here just for you and barneyRUBBLE.

On the other hand bryanD[lusional, I made a more sane decision than one that a proven liar would suggest.

"And IN CONTEXT that means ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

"And IN CONTEXT that means what? They have no oversight on presidential staff, i.e. White House as opposed to the Legislative branch." by marc

Tell that to Tricky Dick and Ron Reagan. Not to mention hundreds of cases where Presidential aids have testified in front of Congress.

How about you showing us where we can find "Executive privilege" in the Constitution?

Finally, the quotes were not taken out of context. The President through his unprecedented number of signing statements has shown his contempt for Congress.

You're right, there is no e... (Below threshold)
Taltos:

You're right, there is no executive privilege in the constitution, there is also no right to privacy, no right to abortion, no judicial review...

Don't think you really wanna go down that road.

I almost got locked up in a... (Below threshold)
epador:

I almost got locked up in a Philly CopVan in the 70's - Nixon was in town and the cops were just dragging everyone off the streets near Independence Hall [how ironic] that looked disreputable. I looked pretty disreputable then, but my vision was good enough to see what was going on, so I did a 180 and went back home to turn on the radio to find out what was up. Eventually the ACLU and a class action suit netted a few hundred bucks for each person who was detained. Damn, missed another opportunity.

But I digress. Just to let Barney know there can be advantages to letting The Man abuse you.

barneyRUBBLE:T... (Below threshold)
marc:

barneyRUBBLE:

The President through his unprecedented number of signing statements has shown his contempt for Congress.

And so have the American people, and they have a steadily declining opinion of Congress since the [Dim]ocrats have assumed power.

Can't "imagine" why, can you?

Oh... I forgot:<em... (Below threshold)
marc:

Oh... I forgot:

Finally, the quotes were not taken out of context.

You are absolutely correct. Let me rephrase that: The quotes are far...far from your demonstrated capability to understand the English language.

Feel better now that I've corrected myself?

Barney, Executive privilidg... (Below threshold)
TR19667:

Barney, Executive privilidge is right next to the "right to privacy"....lololol

And Civ Behavior, I'm sure the evil gestapo cops just picked on you when you were just Mr. Innocent, minding your own business at a "peaceful antiwar rally".

And the eight US Attorneys? Maybe they should have been doing their jobs. Why didn't the US Attorney in Seattle pursue what was pretty definite voter fraud in King County during the last Gov. race, not to mention other votor fraud issues??? Hey, and how about the US Attorney in New Mexico that got a remarkable 1 of 24 counts to stick against the NM sec of state? Hell, he should have been PROMOTED for that performance!!! But he DID get on every msm and paper in the country whining about being fired. If the pantywaste had been in private practice he'd got his ass fired. Even Mr. Potatohead Russert had to flinch when the poor, politically-fired attorney said that "yeah, but I nailed him on the first count and I hardly see this case as a disappointment"!!! lololol.

BTW, where's your outrage when your pall Billy Bob fired all 92 US Attorneys??? Oh, that's right, It's DIFFERENT and us poor red state inbreds wouldn't understand.

You are absolutely corre... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

You are absolutely correct. Let me rephrase that: The quotes are far...far from your demonstrated capability to understand the English language.

marc...you don't know HOW right you are

"A Quaker peace group it wa... (Below threshold)
Ran:

"A Quaker peace group it was."..LMAO.... *getting the hip boots on*

Muslim employees of Target ... (Below threshold)

Muslim employees of Target recently made a strange and difficult request not to be forced act as cashiers if customers are purchasing pork products.

Separations of powers. Thre... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Separations of powers. Three distinct and separate branches of government. The executive branch is not under congressional oversight. The appointees to the departments are such as the secretary positions. Man, what history classes have you skipped. I guess by some lefty logic the President can go ahead and barge into Congress at any time to see what their aids are working on. Whether you like it or not, Tony Snow is right. Congress has no oversight of the President as he does not over them. Legislate, Execute, Apply Justice. Those be the distinctions. Wow. Grasping at straws. ww

Seen what they'll do to a w... (Below threshold)
kim:

Seen what they'll do to a woodlot?
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American neocon Sheep need ... (Below threshold)
civil behavior:

American neocon Sheep need not worry about their civil rights being abrogated. They like those in Hitler's Germany have turned their little hooves into remarkable goose steps.

You have lost any sense of what it is that is dividing this nation within. Your despicable promotion of the darkest cloud ever to descend on this country vis a vis Cheney and his boy Georgie aka Rove playing the part of "brain" has so soiled the reputation of this country you are ignorant of the repurcussions.

I talk to people from around the world often. You are missing the point. People are fed up with us. They are horrified that we are so unable to conduct our affairs without thoughtful deliberation.

We have no lessons left to give others. We will soon be learning rather large ones from our benefactor, China. It will be a lesson many of you will never forget. Strap yourselves in. The ride you chose to take is just beginning.

Iraq is only a part of that from which you will need protection. And wonder of wonders your protectorate will be in their own spidey holes.

Foolish stupid Americans.

Of course we don't need to ... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Of course we don't need to worry civil behavior, because the circumstances you describe above are only apparent to those with schizophrenia.

It's ok to seek help. 1% of the population develops this disorder. If you're unsure if you have it, look below:

People with schizophrenia often suffer terrifying symptoms such as hearing internal voices not heard by others, or believing that other people are reading their minds, controlling their thoughts, or plotting to harm them. These symptoms may leave them fearful and withdrawn. Their speech and behavior can be so disorganized that they may be incomprehensible or frightening to others.
Hey, cb, WalMart's gonna gi... (Below threshold)
kim:

Hey, cb, WalMart's gonna gitcha, gitcha, gitcha.
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How could anyone go through... (Below threshold)
nikkolai:

How could anyone go through life with evil thoughts like ol' civil behavior? Must be quite excruciating....




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