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Rosie O'Donnell's Gulf of Tonkin Rant

Now she's implying that 15 British sailors and marines were never kidnapped by Iran, but instead the whole thing was a contrived "Gulf of Tonkin" scenario by Bush as an excuse to attack Iran. Newsbusters has the transcript:

ROSIE O'DONNELL: But interesting with the British sailors, there were 15 British sailors and Marines who apparently went into Iranian waters and they were seized by the Iranians. And I have one thing to say: Gulf of Tonkin, Google it. Okay.


JOY BEHAR: Some other time. Some other time.

O'DONNELL: Well, you know...

BARBARA WALTERS: It could be a decision making time. It's a very difficult situation. It's at the United Nations. It's being examined now. Should there be sanctions? Militarily, we certainly don't seem to be in the position to do something militarily. But it is a decision making time.

O'DONNELL: Yes, but it's very interesting too that, you know, these guys, they went into the water by mistake right at a time when British and American, you know, they're two, they're pretty much our biggest ally and we're considering whether or not we should go into war with Iran.

BEHAR: But the U.N. was about to sanction them, also have an embargo against Iran. And the, and the timing [unintelligible] so they distracted the whole world with this.

ELISABETH HASSELBECK: Right and they may be about to expel the inspectors right now, too, which could be considered [unintelligible]

O'DONNELL: Right or it could be just the Gulf of Tonkin, which you should all Google.

Barbara Walters hasn't asked Rosie to tone down her stupidity. Does that mean that Barbara agrees with Rosie's take on the Bush Administration? Or the more likely reason is that she's completely lost control of her own show.


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Comments (74)

What has Barbara ever done ... (Below threshold)
Pete_Bondurant:

What has Barbara ever done to prove she is any less dumber than O'Donnell? Hasselback is just as dumb although her heart is in the right place.

Babs is simply milking all ... (Below threshold)
yo:

Babs is simply milking all the ratings she possibly can from this. Once the ratings start to hiccup, Rosie and her merry bag of crazy will be escorted off the set.

There's no ideological issues at stake, really .. it's all about the Bennies.

I think you misplaced at le... (Below threshold)
Veeshir:

I think you misplaced at least part of the quote. I think this, ' [unintelligible] should be in more of Rosie's quotes. She's pretty darn unintelligible.

ROSIE: But interesting w... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

ROSIE: But interesting with the British sailors, there were 15 British sailors and Marines who apparently went into Iranian waters and they were seized by the Iranians.

"..who went into Iranian waters." That, my dear fat one, is the opinion and contention of the Iranians.

ROSIE: Yes, but it's very interesting too that, you know, these guys, they went into the water by mistake...

Mistake? But you just implied that it was on purpose (see above). Make up your mind.

ROSIE:...we're considering whether or not we should go into war with Iran.

We are? News to me. Though Iran seems to want just that.

BEHAR: But the U.N. was about to sanction them, also have an embargo against Iran.

About to? No, no, Joy. There are already UN economic and trade sanctions in place against Iran for its failure to allow inspectors in and assure the world that nuclear program is peaceful. Not letting them in signals that the program is anything but "peaceful".

ELISABETH HASSELBECK: Right and they may be about to expel the inspectors right now...

Inspectors? Where? I don't see UN inspectors in Iran, do you?

O'DONNELL: Right or it could be just the Gulf of Tonkin, which you should all Google.

Yes, i'm sure you remember it well, Rosie, because you were, what, all of 1 or 2 years old at the time.

Do ANY of these ditzes know what they're talking about?

"She's pretty darn unintell... (Below threshold)
yo:

"She's pretty darn unintelligible."

It's not her fault. I'd like to see how intelligible you sound trying to shove a box of twinkies down your gullet while spouting truther rhetoric and hanging upside down.

It ain't as easy as it sounds.

"I have just one thing to s... (Below threshold)
BillyBob:

"I have just one thing to say"

yeah, me too Rosie, STFU and get back to the Oreos and Big Macs.

Sheesh, what a stupid fat dyke.

Rosie should also google "C... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Rosie should also google "College" and "Learning".

Just don't google "google" or the internet will explode.

You go girl!... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

You go girl!

Rosie: "O'DONNELL: Right or... (Below threshold)
Drago:

Rosie: "O'DONNELL: Right or it could be just the Gulf of Tonkin, which you should all Google."

Barney: "You go girl!"

Perfect.

Barney once again demonstrates why, when it comes to history and "common sense", Rosie is at the "top of lefty class".

Ahh, secret revealed. The ... (Below threshold)
epador:

Ahh, secret revealed. The G stands for Girl, not Google!

Ghee-Barney/RosieI... (Below threshold)
Rory:

Ghee-Barney/Rosie

If it's the Gulf of Tonkin "trap" then why don't the Iranians just let them go?

Instead the Iranians want to call British troops in uniform "spies".

My gawd it's so obvious that they aren't spies that they must be spies!

Just proof once again that the enemies and Democrats of America will jump through their own portholes to Blame Bush.

What ever will you do without him?

Barney,I agree, th... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Barney,

I agree, that girl should definitely go.

I wonder if Iran gave the B... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

I wonder if Iran gave the Brits Enemy Combative status?

The pathetic one in this wh... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

The pathetic one in this whole disaster of a t.v. show is Barbara Walters. She sold her soul to the devil to lift up a show she does not need. Rosie is dumb and I believe mentally unstable. An intervention from her friends is long overdue. ww

Barney, the Brits have "kaf... (Below threshold)
yo:

Barney, the Brits have "kaffir" status, like everybody else.

But, you may be right in agreeing with Rosie as this being a trap of some nature - I mean, it's not like the Iranians have a history of taking hostages, or anything silly like that.

Barney: More accurate would... (Below threshold)
Dave A.:

Barney: More accurate would be granting them Illegal Immigrant status.

BillyBob, your statement, "... (Below threshold)
Upset Old Guy:

BillyBob, your statement, "Sheesh, what a stupid fat dyke" was both uncalled for and offensive. You should try to do better.

Just look at this, somebody (Rosie) mentions Google and who pops up to entertain us all with their own unique take on reality? Why, it's Barney2000.

If you all would excuse me for a moment, I have to take an anti-nausial drug if I'm going to be able to read any further now. Although it may already be too late.

Barney,They are un... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Barney,

They are uniformed soldiers. That alone should answer your question, but since you seem determined to take the opposite view of what's right on every subject, you end up making stupid comments.

When will the brave Iranian... (Below threshold)
nikkolai:

When will the brave Iranians seize the super secret undercover agent Valerie Plame? Surely they are concerned about her....

She's got to be painful for... (Below threshold)

She's got to be painful for the people on "her" side, too. Except that her side seems to be the conspiracy fruitcakes, so maybe not. Painful for rational liberals in any case.

Got to be.

The Geneva Conventions do n... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

The Geneva Conventions do not apply any more thanks to Bush and Gonzo.

The Geneva Conventions d... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

The Geneva Conventions do not apply any more thanks to Bush and Gonzo.

Please point to the signatures of ANY and ALL terrorist organizations that have signed onto the Geneva Conventions and are therefore granted the protections under them.

I'll wait patiently while you look them up.

Barney: "The Geneva Convent... (Below threshold)
Drago:

Barney: "The Geneva Conventions do not apply any more thanks to Bush and Gonzo."

False.

Laughably so.

A new low.

How is it possible.

Yet Barney never disappoints.

It must be gratifying, on a level difficult for any of us to imagine, to be an enemy of America and know that whatever ploy is utilized, no matter how transparently obvious and false, it will nonetheless find it's defenders and enablers amongst Ameica's "useful idiots".

Sadly, liberals would proba... (Below threshold)
Ragnar Danneskjold:

Sadly, liberals would probably care more if they had seized Rosie the Rude instead of mere soldiers, those horrible instruments of oppression....

although a week or so of her ranting and they'd beg us to take her back, give up nukes and convert to Christianity....

can we dress her up as a tank, er.. soldier and send her and her mouth on an Iranian tour?

Ragnar: "can we dress her u... (Below threshold)
Drago:

Ragnar: "can we dress her up as a tank, er.. soldier and send her and her mouth on an Iranian tour?"

No, we cannot send Rosie since, despite Barney's adolescent mewlings concerning status of the Geneva Conventions, the Conventions would forbid such inhumane actions.

Upset Old Guy "... (Below threshold)
BillyBob:

Upset Old Guy

"Sheesh, what a stupid fat dyke" was both uncalled for and offensive. You should try to do better.

You are right. I'm sorry.

How about Sheesh, what an intellectually impaired, gravitationally challenged, lesbian rug muncher.

Barney,The Geneva ... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Barney,

The Geneva Conventions would not be worth the paper they're printed on if they could be rendered universally moot by a single signatory not abiding by them.

And that's using your argument that they were broken in the first place, which I don't agree.

Didn't McCain warn us about... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Didn't McCain warn us about breaking the Conventions? What if the Iranians used water boarding the Brits. Who is going to object? Us or our number one poodle the British?

Would anyone listen?

I'm still waiting...<... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

I'm still waiting...

Keep looking. Those signatures MUST be there somewhere.

/sarcasm tag off

Posted by: BarneyG2000... (Below threshold)
yo:

Posted by: BarneyG2000

Now we get into the difference between Al Qaeda types and an actual government entity.

That difference, by the way, is staggering if you're not ready for it.

What about Taliban fighters... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

What about Taliban fighters or insurgents? Both are fighting for their country and both have been tortured by the US.

We should offer to trade ... (Below threshold)
Ira:

We should offer to trade "covert" agent Plame and her husband for the British soldiers.

You may have a point about ... (Below threshold)
yo:

You may have a point about the Taliban; however, the insurgents argument falls flat since they are not ruling members of a nation state.

Actually, the Taliban argument falls flat, too, since they were routed out and are no longer a ruling member of a nation state.

Like I said, there's a difference. The key being, of course that pesky "nation state" moniker.

If the Brits are tortured by the Iranians, that is, by the standards of international law, an act of war.

Actually, depending on where the Brits were, their capture could be defined as an act of war.

Point being: Rosie's an obnoxious turd.

Folks, read this and unders... (Below threshold)
Paul A'Barge:

Folks, read this and understand it in its fullness ... Rosie is Barbara Walters' meal ticket. Or, let's put it this way ... Barbara Walters is Rosie's bitch.

The View was floundering until Rosie came along and now ratings are through the roof. Rosie is getting paid to dish out her hatred of America... by Barbara.

If you despise Rosie, don't watch the View.

Still waiting...... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Still waiting...

Thanks for the link, Kim. Y... (Below threshold)

Thanks for the link, Kim. You guys should consider adding our blog to your blogroll.

--Ken Shepherd
Managing Editor
NewsBusters.org
managingeditor-dot-newsbusters-at-gmail-dot-com

IIRC, the Taliban were not ... (Below threshold)
CUS:

IIRC, the Taliban were not the recognized gov't of Afghanistan--the Northern Alliance were. So yes yo, you are correct.

And Peter F., you will be waiting a long time. I hope you brought popcorn.

Barny is Rosie O'Donnell. ... (Below threshold)
Wiley T. Stoner:

Barny is Rosie O'Donnell. We cannot send Rosie to Iran as they do not tolerate lesbians nor do they import pork. If Rosie were serious about the Iranian situation she would suggest we trade Carter for those 15 Brits. The Iranians would be gettting an ally who's best advise would inevitablily lead to their downfall and Britain would be getting the people back. A truly win win situation.

Peter, as O'Reilly would sa... (Below threshold)
Karl Rove:

Peter, as O'Reilly would say, Barney is hiding under his desk.

Rosie, your check is in the mail. Great work.

barneyRUBBLE:Show ... (Below threshold)
marc:

barneyRUBBLE:

Show me where the Talaban ever signed the GC's?

And BTW, go the hell away.Even I don't think you're that stupid, you're just acting as normal as Wizbang's High Priestess of Trollness.

Jo: however, the insurgents argument falls flat since they are not ruling members of a nation state.

It's not often you have much of substance to offer. (and why I never note your presence) But when you do as in this case you make a fool of yourself.

The "insurgants" that are also Iraqi citizens would be covered by the GC's

You disagree, show why not. Til til then keep your nonsense to yourself.

Sorry,that quote should be ... (Below threshold)
marc:

Sorry,that quote should be attributed to "Yo" not Jo.

"Didn't McCain warn us a... (Below threshold)
Eric:

"Didn't McCain warn us about breaking the Conventions? What if the Iranians used water boarding the Brits. Who is going to object? Us or our number one poodle the British?

Would anyone listen?"

Barney, that assumes that the Geneva Conventions would be accorded in the first place.

The problem with the Geneva Conventions is that no U.S. POW has ever been accorded the Geneva Conventions anyway. You can make the argument that if we do it gives the other guy license to do it too. Except that our guys tend to get tortured regardless.

Just ask John McCain, he was tortured so badly in Vietnam that he cannot dress himself because of his injuries.

And Peter F., you will b... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

And Peter F., you will be waiting a long time. I hope you brought popcorn.

Yes, I did. It's sans trans fats, too.

Back to the subject: Is "The View" supposed to be a cross-section of American women somehow? If so, be afraid. Very afraid.

"The problem with the Genev... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

"The problem with the Geneva Conventions is that no U.S. POW has ever been accorded the Geneva Conventions anyway."

Maybe not the 1949 conventions (Korea?) but according to Hogans' Heros they were in WWII.

Hey,Take Rosie to a ... (Below threshold)
Mike:

Hey,
Take Rosie to a farm auction. Surely she should bring a dollar or two when auctioned off with the bovines.

If guns kill people, then s... (Below threshold)
Michael Evilcorn:

If guns kill people, then spoons are what make Rosie O'Donnell fat.

That fat slob violates the ... (Below threshold)
914:

That fat slob violates the Geneva conventions everytime She? opens Her mouth and tortures us all with Her thoughts.

Damn, marc ... relax. But ... (Below threshold)
yo:

Damn, marc ... relax. But fine, you wanna' play, let's play:

"Art. 4. Persons protected by the Convention are those who, at a given moment and in any manner whatsoever, find themselves, in case of a conflict or occupation, in the hands of a Party to the conflict or Occupying Power of which they are not nationals.

Nationals of a State which is not bound by the Convention are not protected by it. "

... if the insurgents do not recognize the current state, are they are party to .. anything? Is it an "occupation" if a government is present which is allowing the occupying force to remain within their borders?

Legally: No.

How can you be the legal citizen of a nation you don't recognize, or to a government to which you hold no loyalty.

I'm sorry .. how is it again that the insurgents are automatically warranted protection under the GC?

Isn't that the gist of the entire "enemy combatant" argument, anyway?

Am I right? I tend to think I am. Just offering up an out of hand definition of protected persons under the GC, like you have, certainly doesn't fill me with any sort of doubt.

Seriously, champ, just because someone dropped a monster load in your corn flakes doesn't present you an opportunity to drop one in mine.

I think BarneyG has proved ... (Below threshold)
John Irving:

I think BarneyG has proved his utter worthlessness in this thread.

I have to say I enjoyed rea... (Below threshold)
Angie:

I have to say I enjoyed reading all of your intellectual comments.NOT! Is there any way to express an opinion different than yours or to have a serious discussion without reverting to infantile name calling? My guess is no with you lot. No need to respond.I won't be back to this sight.

Au contraire, John, BGirl n... (Below threshold)
e:

Au contraire, John, BGirl né Google has shown herself extremely effective at hijacking threads.

Paul A'Barge nailed the issue adroitly.

BillyBob, your statement... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

BillyBob, your statement, "Sheesh, what a stupid fat dyke" was both uncalled for and offensive. You should try to do better.

I agree, it's an insult to other stupid fat lesbians to compare them to Rosie.

It's a trap!... (Below threshold)
Admiral "Rosie" Akbar:

It's a trap!

"Maybe not the 1949 conv... (Below threshold)
Eric:

"Maybe not the 1949 conventions (Korea?) but according to Hogans' Heros they were in WWII."

I bow to the superior intellect of BarneyG2000. Oh wait that was supposed to be sarcasm wasn't it?

yo:Seriously, ... (Below threshold)
marc:

yo:

Seriously, champ, just because someone dropped a monster load in your corn flakes doesn't present you an opportunity to drop one in mine.

Then change your brand of corn flakes.

Insurgents, i.e. those of the Iraqi citizen variety would in fact be covered. Insurgents, i.e. those with Iranian citizenship would also be covered.

Insurgents affiliated with the Talaban and al-queda are NOT signatories to anything related to ANY UN document. Period.

Of course I'm open to proof otherwise. Osama's signiture on a UN document would do it.

Not that I care, they should be shot on the spot.

Angie:First apolog... (Below threshold)
marc:

Angie:

First apologies to you, but I have to respond.

No need to respond.I won't be back to this sight.

Must be a Rosie fan.

marc, I believe that the GC... (Below threshold)

marc, I believe that the GC requires combatants to be in uniform. Non-uniformed combatants can be shot without trial. No? I don't mean shot in combat either, I mean lined up and executed in the field.

I could be wrong about that.

In any case, the point of the GC wasn't to outline what was moral treatment, it was a gentleman's agreement meant to protect citizens as well as soldiers who were captured.

Soldiers wouldn't treat civilians as a threat and civilians agreed not to *be* a threat. Just as soon as a civilian picks up a weapon or drives a car bomb or plants an IED soldiers *must* treat civilians as though they are a threat. Which is why fighting without a uniform gets the lined-up-and-shot treatment. It destroys the basic tenets of protecting the other side's civilians, The protection of *not* wearing a uniform is made null.

Same thing with not targeting ambulances or medical workers. As soon as the first ambulance is used to transport a weapon (or as one) the protection for ambulances is made null. As soon as it is clear that captured soldiers will be tortured to death, beheaded, and have their genitals stuck in their mouths, the *reciprocal* agreement of treating prisoners of war humanely *ends*.

If we don't do the same back it has nothing to do with the Geneva Conventions and has *only* to do with the fact that we're decent people.

The purpose of it is for each side to agree to limit or prohibit certain things as a way of protecting their own citizens and own soldiers should things go badly. In this war it's a sad fantasy if anyone thinks that people who would use children as a cover to get through a checkpoint and then blow up the car bomb with the kids still in it, or gas a public market, or pull police recruits off a bus and shoot them all in the head, are going to be restrained in any way by the fact that we behave better than they do.

And we do. And it's got nothing to do with the GC and only anything at all to do with the fact that we have our *own* standards.

I believe that the GC r... (Below threshold)
marc:

I believe that the GC requires combatants to be in uniform. Non-uniformed combatants can be shot without trial. No? I don't mean shot in combat either, I mean lined up and executed in the field.

That would be correct, a uniform is needed.

And Yo, still waiting to see Osama's "X" on a UN document.

Did I miss something here? ... (Below threshold)
T-Bird:

Did I miss something here? Someone on this thread state "Rosie, you go girl!" Am I mistaken but doesn't she play the "male role model" in her same sex union?

Regardless I thought her only role suitable for her was Betty Rubble in Flintstones. Her mind is suited for that period.

As for the comment of the others, Elizabeth and Behar open their mouths without having all the facts. It's like they read the headlines and the first two paragraphs of the news story and nothing else.

But if you want a laugh, watch the View, if you want to know how it feels to be in a room of women all talking at the same time, watch it and turn up the volume.

I'll see you at the pysch clinic!

Yay, Rosie O'Donnell is jus... (Below threshold)

Yay, Rosie O'Donnell is just God, isn't she? YAY, ROSIE, all you say is TRUTH, woman, you are supergenius of the world. Thank you for existing.

[gag]

The scariest part? Hasselb... (Below threshold)

The scariest part? Hasselback is the smartest one on that panel, and Barbara spent too many years listening to everyone else whine. Because of that she is immune to Rosie and probably tunes her out.

Rosie is driven by hate a d... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Rosie is driven by hate a depression. It is obvious that she is mentally unstable. Also, it is so nice to see the lefties worry so much about the insurgents rights as they blow up hundreds of citizens including children. Nice to have you on their side. Oh yeah! Now they are putting littel children in the car bombs. Yeah! They should be accorded protection. You dimmers have no idea the damage you are doing for the future of this country. No idea whatsoever. Put your hate aside for a minute and think. Also support our troops for once. Quit calling them kids and insulting them. They volunteers even as this war is going on. But your hate for the military is too strong. I don't want to here about you serving in Nam either. I joined the Navy during that war to keep from getting drafted. If you weren't drafted, would you have served? Very few. Dimmers are such whiners it is incredible. ww

"Then change your brand of ... (Below threshold)
yo:

"Then change your brand of corn flakes."

Ok, that was funny.

I'm with ya' on the signature requirements, and I do see what you're driving at. My gig is that based on the language of the GC, the argument could be made that Iraqi insurgents could be categorized as "enemy combatants." Not that they should, or should not, simply that the argument could be made.

Other than that, I think you and are arguing the same points. I'm not defending AQ critters, at all. So, if you're waiting for me to produce OBL's John Hancock on a doc, you may as well get comfy.

Hassleback is laughing all ... (Below threshold)
BillyBob:

Hassleback is laughing all the way to the bank.

Rosie O'Donnell is responsi... (Below threshold)
Tracy:

Rosie O'Donnell is responsible for Anti-American rhetoric and ought to be ashamed. When she commented to Elisabeth to not be afraid of the terrorists because they are mothers and fathers, I was mortified! If she is suddenly so pro-Iran then perhaps she should go and live there. I am disgusted that she is being able to use The View as a platform for her garbage and hope they go beyond firing her and dump the show entirely. She and Joy Behar are not speaking for me and I hope not many others. The Britians want their soldiers home and her accusations are sick!

Rosie: Neville Chamberlain.... (Below threshold)
Greg:

Rosie: Neville Chamberlain. Google it.

Of note: When explaining he... (Below threshold)
Victoria:

Of note: When explaining her theory that the US government staged the 911 attacks to justify war with Iraq she commented that it is physically impossible for fire to melt steel. I invite her to Google steel and learn more about the manufacturing process. Steel is an Iron alloy the manufacture of which requires intense temperatures. Once those planes crashed into the towers and spilled their Jet Fuel which immediately caught fire the intense heat caused the internal steel beams to soften to such an extent that the building collapsed under its own weight. If she had any courage she would admit her error and invite a structural engineer on her show to explain these concepts to her audience.

Let me preface this by sayi... (Below threshold)
Joe:

Let me preface this by saying that I do not like Rosie O. That being said, I would like to break this down into 2 separate issues: 1)If she is going to say these things about 9/11 and this issue with Iran, she should be more articulate. Because when things are put accross they way that she has, the "Truthers" lose credibility. 2)The people in the mainstream media, and you all here have the right to your opinion. But avoiding the issue(whether or not she explained it right), is not going to get us anywhere. Examples: A.TRACY "...perhaps she should go and live there"= slogan-LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT. What she was trying to point out is that while TORTURE might get one to submit to questions, the answers most likely will not be honest. B. VICTORIA 2 buildings were hit by planes(separate issue); what brought down builiding 7? C. W.Willie This has nothing to do with depression. Here's the thing: After all of the lies that this Admistration has been caught in(tip of the iceberg), how can any of you believe ANYTHING THAT THE GOVERNMENT SAYS???? Can anyone remember back to '02 when they said that they knew with absolute certainty("bulletproof") that Iraq had WMD's? Or that Iraq was behind 9/11? Did you know that the Sec. Of Trans. was with Cheney while the birds were in flight, but his testimony was stricken from the record. On 9/11, billions of dollars went missing; where did it all go? How is it that the twin towers each came down faster than the LAWS OF PHYSICS would allow? I could go on, but instead, I'm going to leave you with this: The country is under attack, and the President stays put----forget about that damn "pet goat". When the Country is under attack, it's SOP to get him to a safe location. And if you don't know what SOP is, than you shouldn't be on any site discussing politics. BTW, what are you all going to say if there IS war with Iran.....Dumshits.

Joe,You need to cool... (Below threshold)
Victoria:

Joe,
You need to cool your rhetoric. I am sure you are familiar with the periodic table of the elements, all metals and alloys have a melting point. The jet fuel spilled down the central support structures in the towers and ignited. Again, as this softened the metal it was no longer able to support the weight of the buildings. As for war with Iran there has been a history of appeasement with the two previous Democratic administrations. Carter did not support he Shah when he became ill in the late 1970's, this allowed the Ayatollah Khomeini to gain power. As a consequence of Carter's weakness we lost a valuable moderate ally in the Mideast. As you may recall as soon as Reagan came into office the hostages were released. The Iranians knew they were dealing with a President who was not afraid to use the might of the US military. Bill Clinton also had a history of appeasing the region. Attacks on the US Trade Center, USS Cole and the Kubar towers went unanswered. Bin Laden could have been detained 3 times in the Sudan but Clinton refused to do anything about it. These episodes were recently depicted in a TV Docudrama. When Clinton became aware of this he became enraged. Scenes depicting both he and Sandy Berger as weak and indecisive were deleted from the from the movie prior to it airing. I am sure there will be naysayers. Let me state that documents supportive of these assertions most likely ended up in Mr. Berger's underwear when he smuggled them out of the National Archives and shredded them at home. He has received a slap on the wrist for this transgression. Think about it, there must be something in those documents that both he and Mr. Clinton do NOT want the public to know. Finally, I enjoy political discourse but when one resorts to name calling as you have done in your above missive the only one you demean is yourself. Do have an enlightening day sir.
Victoria

i guess barney is not aware... (Below threshold)
snowdog:

i guess barney is not aware that "water-boarding" is used by the us navy as a training exercise for us navy SEALS-how can that be torture?

Ok, I am tired of hearing B... (Below threshold)
Randy:

Ok, I am tired of hearing Bush take all the blame for this war. Here are the facts: The President can not declare war, only Congress can declare war through a majority vote. We are where we are simply because after 911, we all were enraged, shocked, horrored. We all wanted justice and we wanted it 5 minutes ago. Congress and the President both did hurried investigations to determine the responsible parties as quickly as possible. And in compliance with our outcry, the military was soon in motion. We are where we are because of events that occured in a specific time order in a given context. Remember that it is easy to cut past decisions to piece after the fact, because once the timing, emotion, and context of what happened fades to time, all you have left is black and white dates and times. How many decision do we make a humans based soley on this information. The answer is none, even a judge uses his judgement or his feeling about the facts in the case being heard. All I want is if you want to blame someone, find out who could have actually done it (preferable who did it) and why they did it (the context) and then voice you opinion based on fact (in context).

Let me start by saying - I ... (Below threshold)
CO:

Let me start by saying - I am a Democrat leaning towards Liberal married to a Republican. I am appalled at Rosie's comments! She is not a nice person and has to keep making stupid comments and putting people down to make herself feel better. Serious issues there! People are giving too much attention to Rosie - but that's Hollywood huh? They are all turning into politicians (in THEIR minds!)

I am not a big fan of Pres. Bush but I have several friends and relatives in the military and will not condemn the war because that would be condemning people I care about. It may not be the right decision but I (and you all) are not the decision makers. If you would like to make those decisions I suggest running for office. Or at the very least voting..........

What have any of these wome... (Below threshold)
Jesse:

What have any of these women done to prove they are not airheads? That's all this show is is a bunch of air headed broads gapping around a table about nothing they know anything about! It's trailer park gossip!

All this talk about her opi... (Below threshold)
you are gay:

All this talk about her opinion and no one bothers to check and see it is based on facts. Google "Gulf of Tonkin" already. We were never attacked but we lied and went to war because we wanted to. Duh.




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