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President Bush Quotes Mohammad and Omar at Iraq the Model

Congratulations to Mohammad and Omar Fadhil at Iraq the Model. President Bush quoted them from their Wall Street Journal article published today. They were quoted by the president in his speech to National Cattlemen's Beef Association:

"The Iraqi people are beginning to say -- see positive changes. I want to share with you how two Iraqi bloggers -- they have bloggers in Baghdad, just like we've got here -- (laughter) -- "Displaced families are returning home, marketplaces are seeing more activity, stores that were long shuttered are now reopening. We feel safer about moving in the city now. Our people want to see this effort succeed. We hope the governments in Baghdad and America do not lose their resolve."

Hat tip: RBT


Comments (36)

Mullah Cimoc say how spell ... (Below threshold)
Mullah Cimoc:

Mullah Cimoc say how spell collaborator in arabic?

this word am al bushayim meaning literal translation is "sucking the dick of invader"

Nah Mullah, that's Monica B... (Below threshold)
capitano:

Nah Mullah, that's Monica Bushayim, Al is into a whole 'nother thing.

Hey Mullah, blown up any ch... (Below threshold)

Hey Mullah, blown up any children lately?

What word is that am al mullahayim "righteous freedom fighter?"

Can anyone explain why Bush... (Below threshold)
Herman:

Can anyone explain why Bush is talking about Iraq to a beef association?

Because that's what preside... (Below threshold)

Because that's what presidents do.

They go around giving speeches to beef associations (or other seemingly very odd and esoteric groups) and give speeches about president-y things.

You think that beef producers don't care about Iraq?

I seem to recall Mz Kerry-H... (Below threshold)

I seem to recall Mz Kerry-Heinz giving a speech to a pig producing association a few years ago. Instead of talking about president-y things, she tried to tell them how to raise pigs.

Oops.

Or how to marry one.... (Below threshold)
Jo:

Or how to marry one.

Democrats in congress are u... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Democrats in congress are unlikely to pay any attention to what anyone says about the situation in Iraq. They are bound and determined to punish President Bush for being elected and reelected. Politics trumps national interest. Controlled by the radical left, the democrats care not about the welfare of this country, it is their agenda they pursue at any price. They have already misnamed this conflict a civil war (by that standard there is civil war in LA, Chicago and Detroit) but lies are their modis operandi.

Zelsdorf:This clai... (Below threshold)
slingshot:

Zelsdorf:

This claim of LA, Chicago and Detroit being in the equivalent of a civil war is the most horseshit ever and we all know this. it is similar to the claim that baghdad is safer than washington, dc, which is also complete crap. when was the last time a car bomb went off in any of those cities? why are there no heavily armed militaries units of the strongest nation in the world patrolling the streets without being able to control the violence? oh, maybe because this is a complete bullshit claim. i mean, the other possibility is that there is a civil war raging in LA. i noticed that the last time i was there, driving around with a military escort in my armored humvee. jackass.

please STFU with this idiotic talking point. it is incredibly annoying. i can only imagine you do not live in any of the above mentioned cities. if you do, you must be even more of a complete moron.

"People here always want th... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

"People here always want the "hold" part to materialize, and feel safe when they go out and find the Army and police maintaining their posts--the bad guys can't intimidate as long as the troops are staying."

(Note: the subtext of the article is: attached US and Coalition forces are critical for "trust" in the (Iraqi) Army and police)

Let the Surge play out. Bush deserves his end game. But both queens are still on the board; ours and "theirs" (3 queens? US, Sunni, Shiite?)

Described in the article is a re-institution (in Baghdad) of moderate, secular (Sunni Baathist) modes of conduct, BUT ordered protected by ornery Iraqi Shiite-controlled army and police forces, thus the US/ Coalition bodyguard neccessary in Baghdad. Bad.

Will this require a permanent Kosovo-type peacekeeping regimen?

That seems to be the plan, which means failure for the Surge.

ATTN BUSH: Divide the country in three, declare Victory (and it might be!), and let's go home! It's so F'ing plain, it MUST be a conspiracy! (And I didn't mention "neocon" once in this post...oops!)

At least BryanD has a posit... (Below threshold)
Rovin:

At least BryanD has a positive idea of what could be done in Iraq to bring most of our troops home, unlike slingshot, who wouldn't know if a 2x4 hit 'em in the forehead. What part don't you understand about the murders in these citys that the numbers match the carnage in Iraq? Talking point or just a fact that slipped yur mind?

please STFU with this idiotic talking point. it is incredibly annoying. i can only imagine you do not live in any of the above mentioned cities. if you do, you must be even more of a complete moron.

It might be suggested that slingsnot not be so annoyed at others opinions that just happen to be "facts of life".

Can some one point me to a "find the idiot" crossword puzzle?


slingshot... The med... (Below threshold)
tyree:

slingshot...
The media has been calling this a "civil war" for a long time, but is it? Who defines legal terms? Lawyers. Who defines war terms? Warriors. We go to doctors for medical opinions; we go to plumbers when the pipes don't drain. The educated position is to get our information about warfare from the warfighters. I will call this a "civil war" when General David Petraeus calls it a "civil war". He has an educated opinion about warfare, most reporters do not.
One more point, a greater percentage of people in Iraq think things are getting better in their country than the people in the European Union. We gave Europe decades to get back on their feet. We died by the thousands to preserve their freedom after the war. Yet the Iraqis are more optimistic about their future than the Europeans.

bryanD said..."Divid... (Below threshold)
tyree:

bryanD said...
"Divide the country in three..."
Dividing countries up like Germany, Korea and Vietnam has very rarely led to a lasting peace.

Dividing countries up li... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

Dividing countries up like Germany, Korea and Vietnam has very rarely led to a lasting peace

Yes, but neither is forcing disparate groups together (i.e. Yugoslavia).

Dividing the country would ... (Below threshold)

Dividing the country would be a failure in some respects in that it sort of perpetuates the idea that a single group has to hold power *as that group* and can't represent other people in other groups.

And where should the lines go? And what about people who find themselves on the wrong side of it?

If the Sunni and Shiite portions of Iraq (not to mention other minority groups such as Marsh Arabs which I know nothing about other than that Saddam was trying to kill them off and other minority religious groups, the word "Sufi" comes to mind) were as clearly separate as Kurdistan is then the country would *already* be defacto divided just as Kurdistan mostly takes care of it's own business.

But it's not.

Because they are quite mixed up. It's *harder* but far *better* if they manage to continue together. Eventually someone over there is going to have to figure out how to do that.

I doubt that was Yugoslavia... (Below threshold)

I doubt that was Yugoslavia's only problem.

According to a lady who grew up there, before it all went to heck in a hand basket, there was a great deal of mixing and intermarriage. Yes, a lot of *really* bad history between groups, but likely a whole lot of scapegoating for present difficulties when things went from bad to worse. She blamed outside forces for tipping it all into the fire.

tyree, It's worth th... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

tyree,
It's worth the old college try, ergo:

Sunni Kurds vs Sunni Arabs=

Probable peace.

Sunni kurds AND arabs vs Shiites=

On the surface, problematic, but factoring in the Iraqi (Arab) vs Iranian (Persian) Shiite rivalry (overshadowed now by the "infidel" invasion of muslim land), the Iraqi Shiites will be occupied OUTWARDLY, ie. the Iran-Iraq border. Thus:

Probable peace.

Outlook: Good to Very Good

Thousand upon thousands of ... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Thousand upon thousands of Americans are murdered...on the streets of the United States every year. In our major cities we have thousands of law enforecement agencies trying to stop it but it keeps getting worse. I say we withdraw from Detroit, L.A., Washington D.C. and NOLA. Our good Americans are getting murdered senselessly. The police had their chance. The mayors of those cities bungled it up. Some lied, people died. No blood for toil. Wake up America. We lost these cities. We lost the war.

Oh Jo: Very funny. ww

Well hell then, Bryan. Let... (Below threshold)

Well hell then, Bryan. Let's just give the south to Mexico. War is fought in many ways; sometimes economically, sometimes socially and sometimes with guns. They're fighting for the south economically and socially (and sometimes with guns) so let's split the country up. It would be easier to just give it to them, right?

Splitting Iraq up would be a bad economic decision which would lead to continued war between the factions. Especially for natural resources. You're only thinking in social terms.

Here Kim goes again, hangin... (Below threshold)
dalleceneri:

Here Kim goes again, hanging on to silly shreds of evidence in a vain attempt to parlay the Chimps's reassurance based on an Iraqi blog.

A blog, BTW, from 2 dentists who visited w/ the Chimp in the White House 2 or 3 years ago. As the Churchlady might have said, "How conveeeenient."

McCain provides even more great news about the Surge, affirming that now many Baghdad neighborhoods are safe enough for unguarded and unarmored Springtime strolls and jogging along the cherry-blossoming banks of the Tigres and Euphrates.

McCain, the Chimp and Kim are playing Pollyanna; It's Springtime for America in Iraq.

Retired general Barry McCaffery has a far different picture of Baghdad and Iraq, the Great Surge notwithstanding.

There were two gifts under ... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

There were two gifts under the tree. The twins, GOP and Liberal each opened them. What they didn't know is that both boxes held horse crap. Liberal opened his and said, "Just what I expected. A bunch of shit." GOP opened her box and said, "Yea, I have a pony." GOP is more positive and focused on our expectation. Liberal expects the worst and get it. ww

dalleceneri:<blockquo... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

dalleceneri:

Here Kim goes again, hanging on to silly shreds of evidence in a vain attempt to parlay the Chimps's reassurance based on an Iraqi blog.

I know, silly shreds of evidence indeed! People in Iraq would really have no idea what's going on around them. It takes a dalleceneri to tell them what's happening in their lives. Your pompousity is noted.

I find it interesting that state-side retired generals are supposed to have a more convincing assessments about what's happening on the ground than people who are actually on the ground. I suppose in the end it doesn't really matter where they are, if what they say flatters your narrow view.

A blog, BTW, from 2 dentists who visited w/ the Chimp in the White House 2 or 3 years ago. As the Churchlady might have said, "How conveeeenient."

What's convenient is your casual dismissal of anything and everything that shows we might be making progess.

Good thing is these two gentlemen actually have a blog. Why don't you stop by some time and kindly suggest they are on Bush's payroll and everything they say are lies.


Gosh. When I called the Whi... (Below threshold)

Gosh. When I called the White House to leave that link for the Prez, I did not realize he would get it so quickly! lol. Actually, I gave the link to many Democrats after the most harmful vote they could have taken. (I did tell the Prez about ITM a long time ago, but alas. I doubt if I was the only one. :)

Dear Herman,Prez Bus... (Below threshold)

Dear Herman,
Prez Bush is speaking about Iraq to cattlemen (Cowboys!) because they live in the real world. They are obviously concerned about more than just what is in front of their own eyes. This is a world-wide war. That includes all of us.

I'm sure they covered issues of concern to the cowboys as well. :)

I apologize in advance for ... (Below threshold)
P. Bunan:

I apologize in advance for sounding like a broken record, but every thread on this war seem to become the same broken record anyway so here it is again:

Those who want the US to win in Iraq will focus on the positive, and those who want the US to loose in Iraq will focus on the negative.

Those who want the US to loose will call Iraq a civil war and will say totally ignorant opinions (like "we've already lost" or "we can't possibly win") as if they are fact.

Heralder, you comment sarca... (Below threshold)
dalleceneri:

Heralder, you comment sarcastically, "People in Iraq would really have no idea what's going on around them"

Did you bother to check the blog? It's not difficult for the average Anglo to read as it's in English...guess the opportunity for the vast majority of Baghdadis to read it is rather limited, even if they can turn their computer on when electricity is available. The blogsite also has links to other highly prominent blogs such as Pajamas Media, a blogsite that surely is loaded w/ 1000's of first-hand accounts from local Baghdadis of what their life has lately become.

One can also determine that ITM is particularly popular w/ the average Baghdadi, what w/ the site's ad for Volvos. Volvo has been selling tons of brand new Volvos across Iraq due to the thriving Iraqi economy and the virtual full-employment that has occurred since the Surge.

You further commented, "I find it interesting that state-side retired generals are supposed to have a more convincing assessments about what's happening on the ground than people who are actually on the ground"

You shoulda looked before you leaped, Heralder. To quote from the link you seemingly did not bother to read, "An influential retired Army general released a dire assessment of the situation in Iraq, based on a recent round of meetings there with Gen. David H. Petraeus and 16 other senior U.S. commanders."The population is in despair," retired Gen. Barry McCaffrey wrote in an eight-page document compiled in his capacity as a professor at West Point. "Life in many of the urban areas is now desperate."

McCaffery is not just the usual talking head one sees on the cable networks. In general, he has been rather favorable in his past commentaries regarding the Chimp's misadventures in Iraq.

P.Bunyan comments,"Those... (Below threshold)
dalleceneri:

P.Bunyan comments,"Those who want the US to win in Iraq will focus on the positive, and those who want the US to loose in Iraq will focus on the negative."and "Those who want the US to loose will call Iraq a civil war "

Guess PB falls into the category of those who will expend whatever amount of American & Iraqi blood that is required to prove that the Chimp was 100% correct and reflected great knowledge of history and foreign affairs when he initiated his war of choice w/ the invasion of Iraq.

dalleceneri:<blockquo... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

dalleceneri:

Did you bother to check the blog? It's not difficult for the average Anglo to read as it's in English...guess the opportunity for the vast majority of Baghdadis to read it is rather limited,

So Iraqis that can write and speak in English is difficult for you to fathom is it? Guess the Coalition doesn't have interpreters either.

What makes you think that the intended audience of the blog is supposed to be a "vast majority of Baghdadis"? That vast majority wouldn't need a blog to tell them what's happening in their city.

The blogsite also has links to other highly prominent blogs such as Pajamas Media, a blogsite that surely is loaded w/ 1000's of first-hand accounts from local Baghdadis of what their life has lately become.

One can also determine that ITM is particularly popular w/ the average Baghdadi, what w/ the site's ad for Volvos. Volvo has been selling tons of brand new Volvos across Iraq due to the thriving Iraqi economy and the virtual full-employment that has occurred since the Surge.

So all in all your asseration is that:

A) An Iraqi blog cannot have links to other sites that aren't in Iraq.

B) An Iraqi blog cannot have advertisments that feature items not sold to Iraqis.

Bullet proof arguments for sure dalleceneri.

As I said, why don't you stop on by and ask them for yourself if you doubt their authenticity.

You shoulda looked before you leaped, Heralder. To quote from the link you seemingly did not bother to read,

You're correct, I didn't bother to read it. From the article:

'His report also lists several reasons for some new optimism, noting that since the arrival of Petraeus last month, "the situation on the ground has clearly and measurably improved."'

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Among McCaffrey's reasons for new optimism were that the Maliki government is permitting the United States to attack rogue leaders in the Mahdi Army of radical Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr. Also, he noted that U.S. and Iraqi forces have changed their basic approach to operations, with soldiers now living on small outposts across Baghdad. Iraqi forces also are better equipped than before. In Anbar province, he noted, "There is a real and growing groundswell of Sunni tribal opposition to the al-Qaeda-in-Iraq terror formations."

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So, he concluded, it is still possible to develop a stable Iraq. But, he added, "We have very little time left." The dilemma facing the U.S. government, he said, is that U.S. forces probably will have to be reduced substantially within three years, but the insurgency will go on for many years more.

Former Australian military officer David Kilcullen, who is advising Petraeus on counterinsurgency methods, recently commented on the Web site of Small Wars Journal: "It is still early days for Fardh al-Qanoon (a.k.a. the 'Baghdad Security Plan') and thus too soon to tell for sure how things will play out. But, though the challenges remain extremely severe, early trends are quite positive." He added that "the general trajectory of the campaign seems to be changing, in subtle ways that may yet prove decisive."

Yes, McCaffrey does also say that "no Iraqi government official, coalition soldier, diplomat, reporter, foreign NGO [nongovernmental organization], nor contractor can walk the streets of Baghdad, nor Mosul, nor Kirkuk, nor Basra, nor Tikrit, nor Najaf, nor Ramadi, without heavily armed protection."

While you provided this as reason to doubt what was being said at ITM, what was actually said at ITM was:

"Displaced families are returning home, marketplaces are seeing more activity, stores that were long shuttered are now reopening. We feel safer about moving in the city now. Our people want to see this effort succeed.

Where in that paragraph does it mention IA, CF, Governmental officials or Contractors?

I will however, yeild the point that McCaffrey is not an uninformed, uninvolved party as I accused him of being in my last post. That doesn't stop me from taking a few Iraqis at thier word when they say they've seen improvement.

It shouldn't stop you either.

Heralder, one of the basic ... (Below threshold)
dalleceneri:

Heralder, one of the basic points is that ITM is not the run-of-mill Baghdadi blogsite but rather the site of 2 men who have been catered to with a WH visit and therefore have a possible ax to grind.

I have also seen a recent report where the average Baghdadi neighbors in local areas choose one neighbor to go to the markets and make purchases for all in order to reduce the possibility of being killed en-masse.

It's not surprisng that some areas in Baghdad have seen a reduction in slaughter what with the intensified joint Iraqi/US patrols.

As for the likliehood of sustaining that improvement, one has only to look at The Chimp's self-heralded improvements awhile back in Tel Afar where, according to him, things had returned to normal thanks to the US forces getting it right. The most recent reports from Tel Afar show a hideous resurgence of the violence in spite of the military's new & improved strategy in Tel Afar.

By Petraeus' own standards of requiring 1 soldier/40 citizens to quell an insurgency, Iraq's 25 million population would require an army of 625K to do the job. Finding some improvement in certain nooks and crannies of Iraq hardly vouches for the success of the Surge thus far. And, in light of the new situation in Tel Afar, it is hardly a bright beacon of success to come.

These are the same t blogge... (Below threshold)
jeff:

These are the same t bloggers that met the president in the white house in 2004 right?

How long until we find out that they are on the payroll?

dalleceneri,It has... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

dalleceneri,

It has nothing to do with prooving that the President was 100% correct. I don't think he was 100% correct. Hell, I don't even think he thinks he was 100% correct. I believe he has honestly admitted that mistakes have been made.

BUT if the US pulls out of Iraq before it is 100% clear that we have won and the situation in Iraq is stabilized it will be seen in the muslim world as a victory for the terrorists and that will be a world wide disaster.

I've heard many lefties state the opinion that Bush has been a great recruiting tool for the terrorists. This may be very, very, slightly true but if we do what the leftists want and pull out and prove to the terrorists that terrorism works, THAT will be a major recruitment tool for them and we'll see a 1,000 or 10,000 times number of recruits they currently have. No one will be safe.

The other day on the radio I heard a leftist state that we need to bring the troops home now so they will be safe anf out of harms way. This is an ignorant and false statement. If we bring the troops home now, not only will they not be safe at home, no one will.

I think most democrat politicians know this but they are very willing to sell out the safety of all humans on this planet for a little short term political power. And very short term will their "power" be. What kind of sick nut wants to be President of a smoldering radioactive crater?

And yes, there are a handful of Republicans who are for allowing the terrorists to claim victory too.

dalleceneri: "the site ... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

dalleceneri: "the site of 2 men who have been catered to with a WH visit and therefore have a possible ax to grind"

Ok, dalleceneri, if you prefer to discount what these guys say, are you intellectually honest enough to admit that over 85% of what's referred to as "the MSM" have an axe to grind and the vast majority of what's been reported on Iraq is biased and suspect and should be discounted?

By your own standard what is reported as conventional wisdom on Iraq is not to be trusted.

dalleceneri:<blockquo... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

dalleceneri:

Heralder, one of the basic points is that ITM is not the run-of-mill Baghdadi blogsite but rather the site of 2 men who have been catered to with a WH visit and therefore have a possible ax to grind.

That assumption would carry more weight if their writing had undergone a significant change after thier visit to the White House.

We're going to get good and bad news from Iraq, that's to be expected. What I take issue with is the attempt to discredit anyone who says things have improved.

The President was not wrong in citing improvement in Tel Afar. It's not perfectly safe, but it's certainly better than it was...which is to say: It has improved.

Finding some improvement in certain nooks and crannies of Iraq hardly vouches for the success of the Surge thus far.

It's not just "nooks and crannies" where improvement has been recorded. And to see any immediate progress should be heartening, not cause to discredit the sources of the good news.

I read ITM before they visi... (Below threshold)

I read ITM before they visited the US and before Pajamas Media. I read about efforts to write blog software and provide hosting for Arab language blogs before the dust hardly had time to settle in Baghdad.

The brothers who run Iraq The Model seem to understand better what the value of Iraq is than most people do and it's reflected in the name they chose.

I think it's rather *telling* that the simple fact that a couple of Iraqi bloggers are supportive of their new government and supportive of the US is seen of *proof* that they aren't legit.

How... convenient.

How convenient that all Iraqis who aren't fighting us and trying to destabilize their own country are either liars or on the US payroll.

That leaves the only *honest* Iraqis as the ones who set IED's and blow up children in cars.

Knowing not a single thing about these men people here, one after another, suggest that they are paid by us, that they are liars, that they are for some reason or other not legitimate. No evidence to support any of those charges except that you don't like what they say. They aren't negative enough. They don't hate us.

A lot of the ITM posts are rants about the politics in Baghdad and if anyone *read* them, they'd realize very quickly that there isn't any cheer-leading going on. When they don't dare travel they *say* they don't dare travel. When they get stuck somewhere overnight because they don't dare go home because something happened, they *say* that. When they hear rumors they say what they heard and what they know and how they aren't getting good information. They talk about barber shop gossip about how Zarqawi was so fat in a video Al Qaida released that people were saying this was proof that he was working for the Americans.

My favorite post was about how which ever brother wrote it found the concept of "blogging in pajamas" completely baffling. (That was way back when that first was a big deal and people were sending pajamas in the mail to whichever newscaster it was who dissed them.) But he couldn't think of anything to write that day and he decided to check out the pajamas thing so he changed into his pajamas and sat down to write and low and behold, it worked.

I sent the post to my mom who wrote back that it had helped her see Iraqis as real people more than anything she'd heard or read. I wrote to ITM and told them what she said and got an e-mail back thanking me for passing that on to them.

Blogs and the internet allow us to connect to human people in a way unheard of before.

Anyone who reads ITM or any of the other blogs from that part of the world, even that kitten blog that little girl does, are able to connect to people. They might say what you like or say what you don't like but they are real people.

That some people would rather not view them as real people but as some artificial construct is telling.

Guh. If only I could have ... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Guh. If only I could have formulated a post of that caliber...that was a good read Synova.

Go Bush go ,and perish i... (Below threshold)
nabila:

Go Bush go ,and perish in all dust.we hate u




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