right on .. and it is about feeding time

That's easy: Henery Hawk.

I've never used that label. It's stupid and is evidence of a weak arguemnt as much as the "traitor" ot "hate america" label is.

Who are you people and who has stolen your brains and your humanity?

Foghorn Leghorn

Lincoln was in the Illinois militia, so you can't hide behind him.

The only neocon I can think of that WASN'T a chickenhawk is Rumsfeld. And the most egregious chickenhawk is Cheney, who based his family planning schedule on the revised requirements for avoiding the draft: the neccessity of a minor child to support. 9 months later a child is born, Halleluja!

Of course, any able-bodied supporter of the Iraq Invasion under 43 years of age, should enlist.

I used the term "chickenhawk" around my kids and discovered that it is now teen slang for a pedophile. A new term might be in order.

"Of course, any able-bodied supporter of the Iraq Invasion under 43 years of age, should enlist."

Of all the retarded things you've said on this blog, that tops the list.

Do you think we should be doing more to fight AIDS in Africa? If so, why aren't you over there helping out? It's the same kind of twisted stupid logic that nitwits who sling the perjorative "chickenhawk" around use.

bryand is an idiot.

Rumsfeld is a paleo-con. Always has been. See, that's what gives him the "paleo" part.

"Neo-cons" are former Democrats (former social-liberal, foreign-policy hawks Democrats) who became concerned with the incredible weakness and naivete demonstrated by leaders of the Dem party starting in the 60's, and coming over fairly completely by the election of Ronald Reagan in the 80's. Intellectual leaders who comprised a significant portion of this group were Jewish (Irving Kristol, et al). Others might include Bill Bennett, though you could make an argument that he was not as socially liberal as others.

There's a great story about how Mondale was so concerned about falling support during Carters admin that he (Mondale) invited Jeane Kirkpatrick and a handful of others to come on down to meet with Jimmah Carter, and then how Carter basically told them to get lost.

In just a few months after that, Kirkpatrick met Ronald Reagan for the first time at a dinner party in NYC. Naturally, the host sat RR next to Kirkpatrick, knowing that over the course of the evening, the image of RR put forth by the left would be dispelled by her simply conversing with him.

Just about 9 months later, Kirkpatrick was our new Rep to the UN.

So, you see Bryand, Rumsfeld is not a neo-con. Bush is not a neo-con. Cheney is not a neo-con.

They are all Paleo-cons.

If you disagree, at least make an attempt to define "neo-con" so we can operate off the same page in discussions.

Don't worry, we won't hold our breath. It's

RPC24, The pedophilic use of "chickenhawk" far preceeds the other. Probably to Victorian times when child-sex euphemisms abounded. I.e. "flower girls" didn't REALLY sell flowers. It was code for "de-flowering", etc.

"A new term might be in order" Pussy, perhaps?

Bryan said:
"Do you think we should be doing more to fight AIDS in Africa?"

No.

Drago, the children at NRO threw the term "paleo-con" at conservatives who would not go along with the neocon war, who weren't "with it"; Dinosaurs. Like the British calling the rebels Yankee Doodle Dandies. The antiwar conservatives then adopted it.

Read this so you won't embarrass yourself in future:

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/lind1.html

Sorry, bryanD, you've come off on the short end of the stick, accurately called out for misuse of "neo-con," and for continuing to use the submoronic "chickenhawk" meme. Not to mention linking to "antiwar.com," an equally wasteful use of pixels and bits as the chickenhawk garbage.

For another thread, perhaps: "Who is your favorite Copperhead?" Mine would be John Conyers, or anyone associated with Code Pink.

EARTH TO J.I.: "Chickenhawks"is the subject of the post. Glad it's struck bone, though! Classic term, that!

Foghorn Leghorn

He's a rooster, not a chickenhawk.

I LOVE IT when bryan's own links disprove his very points.

It's quite hilarious.

Bryand continues to impress with his/her stunning inability to grasp simple concepts.

In this case, we engage on the issue of bryand's use of the term "neocon".

For the record, as a 25yr subscriber to National Review, I am very aware of how National Review editors and SOME contributing authors used the term "neocon". They used it in a clear way to identify former Democrats, who were social liberals and Anti-Soviet hawks.

What a surprise!! That's how I use the term "neocon".

However, Bryand once again AMAZES us with the ability to link to crazy lefty sites that actually disprove his own thesis!!

Here's how the crazy lefty site describes "neocons":

1) They are called "neoconservatives" because many of them started off as anti-Stalinist leftists or liberals before moving to the far right. (Note: to these crazies, moving away from anti-Stalinist implies you are far-right. very telling indeed)

2) "Inside the government, the chief defense intellectuals include Paul Wolfowitz, the deputy secretary of defense. He is the defense mastermind of the Bush administration; Donald Rumsfeld is an elderly figurehead who holds the position of defense secretary only because Wolfowitz himself is too controversial"

3) "Most neoconservative defense intellectuals have their roots on the left, not the right. They are products of the influential Jewish-American sector of the Trotskyist movement of the 1930s and 1940s, which morphed into anti-communist liberalism between the 1950s and 1970s and finally into a kind of militaristic and imperial right with no precedents in American culture or political history"

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Bryand = laughable.

his own links, to his own crazy lefty sites, CONTRADICT his own crazy lefty spewing-points.

How is this possible?

How can one be so illiterate as to misunderstand the rantings of ones own political bedfellows?

It's a mystery.

But what's not a mystery is this: Bryand cannot read, or if he can read, then he cannot comprehend what he is reading, or if he can read, and can comprehend what he is reading, is simply a liar.

bryand, just in case you are too stupid to "comprehend" the point of my post above:

Your post specifically referred to Rumsfeld, Bush, Cheney et al as neocons.

I told you that was incorrect.

You "corrected" me not by making an assertion which could be backed up in some meaningful way (obviously beyond your undergraduate capacity), but by linking to a crazy lefty site, which itself contradicts you.

Got it now?

What was that about embarrasing yourself? Don't worry, you couldn't possibly embarrass yourself more than you already have in the past.

As for the term chickenhawk, since you are too cowardly to have served your country, plus you are too lazy to have engaged in acts of civil disobedience against actions you consider illigitimate, makes you least "impressive" conveyor of this "argument".

Thanks again for linking to us to proof of your stupidity.

I couldn't have asked for more on this beautiful Wednesday morning.

bryand: "Lincoln was in the Illinois militia, so you can't hide behind him."

Actually, simple residence in a community and being an "able-bodied male" is what qualified one to be "in the Illinois militia".

Of course, since bryand is too cowardly to have ever served his country, it's not surprising that he doesn't know this.

I'm sure that he will provide a "link" in a moment which he thinks will suffice as a "refutation" to my above point, and I'm just as sure that the link will offer evidence to the contrary of whatever "point" bryand is trying to make.

That's bryand MO.

BTW, my favorite Chickenhawk is Thomas Paine. Could there be a more forceful advocate for actions not undertaken by the speaker?

Plus, Paine is beloved on the Left.

Even better.

Drago = Drago1, but is more handsome.

Howard Cosell,

He talked alot about sports, but never played them.

YIKES! Drago on Drago Action!

Let's see: Your comprehension is poor, but I understand antiwar.com could have given you pink eye (get it?). Here's a link from another perspective regarding the neocon network:

http://www.newoxfordreview.org/article.jsp?did=1205-editorial

Regarding the Illinois militia: Lincoln was ACTIVE during the Black Hawk War.

"Of course, since bryand is too cowardly to have ever served his country"

I was a machinegunner 0331, C 1/7, USMC.

How about you?

but I understand antiwar.com could have given you pink eye

Actually, I got the pink eye from Scott Baio.

drago, while I await your touche, here's a classic article on the neocon purge of National Review, which is now run by bearded clams.

http://english.pravda.ru/letters/2002/02/07/26286.html

Chickenhawk: A bird of prey. I have one that visits my property on a daily basis. It's fun to watch the cowardly birds and rodents scurry for cover when he arrives. Most of the time the Chickenhawk has a rodent in his jaws and is gone in minutes. I'd much rather be a Chickenhawk conservative than a cowardly Rodent (democrat) any day. ROFL
Do these people know there really is a bird of prey called a chickenhawk because it's primary food supply at one time was the farmers 'chickens'?

Like the British calling the rebels Yankee Doodle Dandies.

Oringinally the Brits used the term to poke fun at the colonials during the french and indian war because they considered them uneductaed bumpkins. However during the revolution the Americans co-opted the terminology and often used the song Yankee Doodle to taunt British troops. Sort of a haha the rubes are beating your ass now huh thing.

Poor Bryand. He has to flail faster and faster to keep the focus off his obvious lies.

To recap:

Bryand claimed that the major players in the Bush Admin were neocons.

I told him he was wrong.

He directed me to a site that specifically ruled out Rumsfeld, Bush, Cheney etc as neocons. The site only claimed that the "neocons" had taken "control" of this admin.

I cited specific quotes from bryan the morons own link that refuted his very point.

Bryand's response? Well, exactly what you would suspect.

He simply points to other links (which themselves do not support his assertions.)

What Bryand hasn't done:
1) provide a coherent explanation of what, exactly, a neocon is, and
2) why Rumsfeld, Bush, Cheney etc fit that description sufficiently to labeled as such.

Typical.

Bryand: "I was a machinegunner 0331, C 1/7, USMC."

I would say you are a liar.

It's simply not possible for you to have served and then exhibit the extraordinary level of ignorance about military history, tactics, etc.

You would not be the first lefty poster who claimed a military background in order to increase your blog "cred". What's funny is how morons like you think its so easy to bluff your way through.

I've seen this in AofSpades, Polipundit, and now Wizbang.

Let me guess Bryand, you were in the same "unit" as Jesse Macbeth, right?

Scrapiron: "Chickenhawk: A bird of prey. I have one that visits my property on a daily basis. It's fun to watch the cowardly birds and rodents scurry for cover when he arrives."

Exactly. In flight school during the boxing evolution, we had a Marine pilot who looked exactly, and I mean EXACTLY like the Chickenhawk character in the cartoon. It took all of about 5 minutes in our first class meeting for the Marine instructors to label him as such.

I ran into him about 9 years later on my last cruise. The name had stuck.

I wonder what he thinks now of the use of that term?

So some nutbag named Drago calls someone a coward ( a favorite slur of the nutbag righties) when whining on a post which is about the term chickenhawk ( a favorite slur of the nutbag lefties). Don't that just beat about all?

Hey bryand, thanks for the link to PRAVDA!!!

Could there be a more perfect, PERFECT, example of bryand's intellectual masters?

First he links to a non-supportive article at the Marxist anti-war.com site.

Then, when exposed, he then links to a virulently anti-semitic article in PRAVDA.

Wow.

bryand, is Rove paying you directly?

Hugh: "So some nutbag named Drago calls someone a coward ( a favorite slur of the nutbag righties) when whining on a post which is about the term chickenhawk ( a favorite slur of the nutbag lefties). Don't that just beat about all?"

Actually, Hugh, you have a point here. To be consistent, I would have to refrain from using a slur such as "coward" when posting about others using slurs.

Pretty straightforward.

Which is why I only use that word when responding to individuals who, obviously without having served themselves, have no difficulty labeling others chickenhawks. I have a real problem with Bush being labeled that as I have far too many associates who are actually in the Air National Guard.

Feel free to continue "policing" my posts for consistency Hugh. It's more than fair.

Drago:

Nice to see you own your mistake. God knows, I know it's not always easy to do.

Just so you know I am a liberal and I detest the use of the chicken-hawk argument - to me it's just a sign of a weak argument. Of course I feel the same about the use of traitor or America hater.

Drago said:

"Bryand: "I was a machinegunner 0331, C 1/7, USMC."

I would say you are a liar."

Quiz me!

And have you served? 2nd time asking.

Draaaago, You made an allegation, namely:

"Of course, since bryand is too cowardly to have ever served his country,"

To which I answered:

C Co. 1st Battallion 7th Marine Regiment

to which you called me a liar(!)

So now DO TELL! (since YOU brought it up) How you have served your country, if at all. And paying taxes doesn't count.

Feel free to make something up ;)

drago,

So you don't flub it too badly on your fake resume': 1st battalions only contain companies A-C, 2nd battalions only contain companies D-E, etc.

And field marshall isn't a rank

make that D-F, AND STILL WAITING :)

This is really funny. Way to go bryan :-)

Hugh,

And I was just sticking to the guidelines.

Hugh/Bryand, sorry to have left you hanging. Urgent business you know (new carpets and such.)

I notice that bryand has not yet addressed why he linked to articles from Pravda and the crazies at anti-war.com that did not support his original thesis that the principals in the Bush Admin were neocons.

I also notice that Hugh, whose diligence in perusing and holding accountable posters of a more conservative bent is unwavering, becomes downright "mute" when confronted with obvious obliviousness on the part of "more liberal" posters.

Why might that be, Hugh?

My military background? 11 yrs Active, 10 years Reserve, Naval Flight Officer, (Over 300 traps), Gulf War I kind of guy, Flag Staff Officer, even had the pleasure of working as the AirOps staff weenie for the Commodore of the ESG (that's Expeditionary Strike Group Bryan) working directly with the 24MEU (You know, "your marine" pals). A great bunch of guys actually, even if they are marines. I don't hold the ground-pounders in low-esteem, I assure you, as my brother-in-law is a Green Team Cobra Driver and LCOL.

And I'll say it again, the ignorance displayed by bryand makes it most difficult to believe that he has any actual military experience.

Why, if my Gunny were here, he would have a few things "to say" to bryan.