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CNN Reporter Michael Ware Heckles Senators in Iraq

[See update at the end of post and link to new information. The Drudge Report quoted below was taken down without explanation and video appears to show Ware was not "heckling" during news conference.

**Scroll down to end for additional update. An AFP report mentions a reporter giggling in response to a McCain comment.]

Drudge is reporting:

During a live press conference in Bagdad, Senators McCain and Graham were heckled by CNN reporter Michael Ware. An official at the press conference called Ware's conduct "outrageous," saying, "here you have two United States Senators in Bagdad giving first-hand reports while Ware is laughing and mocking their comments. I've never witnessed such disrespect. This guy is an activist not a reporter."

Senators McCain and Graham flew into Iraq and drove into Bagdad, making stops at an open market and a joint Iraq/American military security outpost before appearing at the press conference.

This is not the first time Michael Ware has taken issue with Senator McCain's comments about early progress in Iraq. Last week, after Senator McCain told CNN's Wolf Blitzer that he needed to catch up on the news coming out of Iraq, Michael Ware responded, saying:

"I don't know what part of Neverland Senator McCain is talking about when he says we can go strolling in Baghdad."

Michael Ware has also publicly expressed his views on the war last year in an interview with Bill Maher, saying, "I've been given a front-row ticket to watch this slow-motion train wreck ... I try to stay as drunk for as long as possible while I'm here ... In fact, I'm drinking now."

Ah, maybe it is time for CNN to find a reporter that can function sober. CNN should be able to find someone to replace Ware -- unless his type of reporting is exactly what they want.


Update: Rodger at This isn't writing, it's typing has video and a great roundup of blogger reaction, including the following from Ace of Spades. "He seems to be heavily invested in mocking any war-supporting politician who suggests the surge is working. Which, you know, it is, at least for now. But I guess Michael Ware has trouble seeing that from the lounge at the Intercontinental Hotel."

Uncle Jimbo at Blackfive has a few words for Ware.

I don't have any evidence that Michael Ware was ever hinged, but he is certainly Unhinged now. I covered his recent tour bleating on the cable news shows in the Friday Freefly, but he seems to have decided to become a one man clown car. The very idea that a media jackal would feel empowered enough to sass a US Senator and war hero is sad. Michael Ware may have four years lying drunk under his bed in his Green Zone hotel, I don't think the Hanoi Hilton, and the other lovely places John McCain spent five years suffering in had room service.

It is sadly unsurprising that the senior member of CNN's "News" team in Baghdad is such a blatant advocate for defeat. But you'd like to think there is someone left at CNN who at least wants to pretend at impartiality. I just wonder whether Ware thinks the folks he is rooting for will keep him supplied with booze, probably right up to when they saw his head off his shoulders. Idiot!

Hot Air had this story days ago.

Update II: I had forgotten that it was Michael Ware that brought us the Iraqi sniper video.

Update III: See updated post "Ware Doesn't Appear to Have Heckled, but Shows Bias in CNN Interview."

Update IV (4/3 7:09 p.m.): As far as I can tell, Drudge has not posted anything additional on his "heckling" story, but Glenn Reynolds and Power Line link to this AFP report that says "one reporter giggled at the back" in response to one of McCain's statements. From Scott at Power Line:

I don't know if giggles equal laughter and mockery, or if Ware was the giggler. But it seems to me that the AFP story provides evidence that tends to support Drudge's account. According to the Raw Story report and accompanying screen capture, Ware was sitting "in front of the camera," i.e., "at the back."
So, maybe the "giggler" wasn't Ware, but another reporter. Or maybe Ware giggled, but it wasn't captured on camera and in his mind giggling is not the same as laughing and mocking. Unless the AFP story is wrong, there was at least one reporter in the room giggling in response to McCain's comments. Giggling during McCain's press conference, joking on Bill Maher's show about having to get drunk to report from Baghdad -- whoever the reporter was, it sounds more like a middle school kid than someone taking their job seriously.


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Comments (150)

Funny how the party that cl... (Below threshold)
Gianni:

Funny how the party that claims to be intellectual, tolerant, etc so frequently proves otherwise.

"Ah, maybe it is time for C... (Below threshold)
jp2:

"Ah, maybe it is time for CNN to find a reporter that can function sober"

I really thought the drunk statement was that you could take a "stroll" through areas of Baghdad. Heckle away at that one.

(You can take a stroll actually - you just need 3 minutes, 100 soldiers, a bullet proof vest and two helicopters providing air cover)

jp2, sore loser. Where ... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

jp2, sore loser. Where you born stupid or did you work hard for it? I think both.

To bad you have not took yo... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

To bad you have not took your "stroll" asshole. Would love to see you say that face to face with one that been there protecting your right to say it. Double asshole. (yeah,you jp-0)

"Heckled". What did Ware sa... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

"Heckled". What did Ware say, exactly?
(Heaven forbid that career politicians get a razzing now and then.)

And the "drinking" quips.
Never heard of him before, but I like him now!

The last thing the American public needs is ANOTHER J-school stenographer, anyway.

Another silly foolish post ... (Below threshold)
dalleceneri:

Another silly foolish post from Polyanna Lorie, the Surge-is-working-Byrd.

Michael Ware is one of the best reporters in Iraq & knows far more about the situation rhere than any wingnut byrd-brain or a Senator w/ troves of military attendants and copter support can possibly know. Yes, McCain strolled amongst the Baghdadi cherry blosssoms all by his singular self. What a load of crap.

What the Lorie & quoted wingnut choir cannot tolerate is any thing other than Springtime for America in Baghdad because they are so vested in the idiot Bush debacle in Iraq.

The problem you have Lorie w/ Ware and most of the media is that you cannot tolerate Reality.

jp2: well put.... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

jp2: well put.

Somehow other reporters man... (Below threshold)
Lorie Byrd:

Somehow other reporters manage to work sober and cover press conferences without making cracks at a Senator who did time at the Hanoi Hilton.

I guess some of you really ... (Below threshold)
Lorie Byrd:

I guess some of you really do like him. I was just reminded that he is the one who brought us the Iraqi sniper video. What a great service that was, huh?

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0610/19/ywt.01.html

As for the drinking "quips,... (Below threshold)
Lorie Byrd:

As for the drinking "quips," read the post. That was from something Ware said.

Hmmm. Ultra-rightwing blog ... (Below threshold)
Kougar:

Hmmm. Ultra-rightwing blog cites unknown "official" critical of Ware. Yup... that certainly isn't in and of itself "biased" reporting now is it? Fuck you guys are stupid.

Lets say for a second this is true, and really... I wouldn't be surprised if it is. Ware has actually been in Iraq for months, and has acutally witnessed what's going on. I don't give a rats ass if McCain is a Senator, veteran, or Jesus fucking Christ himself... the asshole lied when he said ""There are neighborhoods in Baghdad where you and I could walk through those neighborhoods, today."

When you speak such bullshit... you get called on it. I can't wait till somebody says something like this to your retard-in-chief.

Somehow other reporters ... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Somehow other reporters manage to work sober and cover press conferences without making cracks at a Senator who did time at the Hanoi Hilton.

And yet most of them are nowhere near as good as Ware. He is the best reporter in Iraq, where he's been for four years. Oh, and when he was on Maher's show, the drunk thing was a joke. You can watch it here (skip to 7:30).

As far as the "heckling" goes, who knows? Drudge doesn't tell us what the "heckling" consisted of, but since McCain and Graham were at a press conference and Ware is a reporter, don't you think this could be just Ware calling McCain on his bullshit about it being safe to walk around in Baghdad?

Heckled by a reporter at a press conference. Please.

Hey - someone should tell M... (Below threshold)

Hey - someone should tell Mr. Ware that since the surge began, US troop fatalities have dropped by 13% and the number of US troops wounded have dropped 26%.

Lorie, I can read. Ware dri... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

Lorie, I can read. Ware drinks. I like that.

McCain was in the Hanoi Hilton AFTER meeting with Giap and AFTER pleading "Caesar" (Admiral Dad). He was out of the "system" for months for "interviews". With Defense Minister Giap (like I said), Soviet GRU, Cuban psychiatrists, etc. Some insist he made propaganda broadcasts (don't know, but he was "cooperating").

And during the Senate hearings on MIAs in Vietnam, McCain was strangely obstructionist.

And lest we forget the Keating 5.

Ha. Here's McCain's <a hre... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Ha. Here's McCain's stroll in Baghdad. 100 soldiers, 3 Blackhawks, and 2 Apaches for protection. Sure, just a leisurely stroll! What a jackass.

dalleceneri, Wh... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

dalleceneri,

What the hell do know about reality asshole?
Going through life with your head up your ass is not reality , it's how democrats get through the day.

Here is some reality for you to tollerate, loser.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04012007/postopinion
/opedcolumnists/betrayed_opedcolumnists_amir_taheri.htm


"BEFORE the U.S.-led inter ventions in Afghanistan and Iraq in 2001 and 2003, much of the Middle Eastern Left shared the views of its U.S. and European counterparts with regard to America.

"We looked to the Left in the West and imitated it," says Awad Nasir, one of Iraq's best-known poets and a life-long Communist. "We heard from the United States and Western Europe that being Left meant being anti-American. So we were anti-American. And then we saw Americans coming from the other side of the world to save us from Saddam Hussein - something that our leftist friends and the Soviet Union would never contemplate."

These reporters in the Gree... (Below threshold)

These reporters in the Green Zone are bringing nothing to the table. Period. I call them, "Room Service Reporters."

Hey KooberThere ar... (Below threshold)

Hey Koober

There are some parts of Los Angeles I wouldn't stroll without a flak vest and an armed guard ... so what makes you think that in as big a city as Baghdad that there ARE areas safe as Santa Monica's 3rd Street Promenade?

Good lord, the desperation of the Left cult at maybe having a US military defeat snatched from them is painfully clear.

Rob LA Ca.Hey, BW,... (Below threshold)
dalleceneri:

Rob LA Ca.

Hey, BW, great non-link. Did you leave the addy back in your padded cell in the assylum?

Dalleceneri,If you'r... (Below threshold)

Dalleceneri,
If you're referring to my comment - here's the analysis I ran today on the total number of troop deaths and wounded. The Crimson Blog

Figure it out dummy , too... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:
geez dalle, how ever do you... (Below threshold)

geez dalle, how ever do you function at the 'puter without knowing how to use Ctrl-V and Ctrl-C?

I certainly didn't have any problems with the link.

What gubmint skool you attend, dude?

Well put Darleen! Your just... (Below threshold)
914:

Well put Darleen! Your just as apt to be shot or and killed in any comparable U.S. city pop wise as in Baghdad proper!

That guys no more a reporter then Helen Thomas is a journalist..They are both activists for the DNC.

By the way "heckling" is not reporting.

"These reporters in the ... (Below threshold)
dalleceneri:

"These reporters in the Green Zone are bringing nothing to the table. Period. I call them, "Room Service Reporters" posted by THIRDWAVEDAVE

You obviously know nothing about Ware's reporting in Iraq. He has been all over the hot spots reporting, particularly in Tel Afar. He has reported from all over Iraq and he is one of the best reporters from any media group over there.

BTW Lorie, I finally found thru a google search just what kind of a byrd you are.

"Do you know what an ostrich does to ignore deliberately something? It puts its head in a hole in the ground! Imagine it, this gigantic bird, standing on straight legs, arse somewhat lifted so as to get the head below ground level -- a sad sight for sore eyes"

Perfect description when you find news reporting that doesn't square with your world of unreality.

Mullah Cimoc say this war f... (Below threshold)
Mullah Cimoc:

Mullah Cimoc say this war for teach ameriki man fear god, learn how to fighting for family and ummah, stop wicked. usa media so control by cia.

google: mighty wurlitzer +cia

ameriki now just big sex pill partying and buy the refrigerator while aztec and maya take over all.

this natural, this evolution, life too easy making the people so wicked, loving the torutre but hating the god.

ameriki been humbled and probably more worse for coming as ameriki man become the homosexual. him cannot fight. and the woman becoming the slut accepitng the body of every man. this so wicked.

I'll take Michael Yon any d... (Below threshold)
Blake:

I'll take Michael Yon any day over this clown.

Yeah Mullah! and cutting pe... (Below threshold)
914:

Yeah Mullah! and cutting peoples heads off and cowardly hiding while detonating bombs!

Now thats downright Holy!

Hey moonbat crybabies......... (Below threshold)
Knightbrigade:

Hey moonbat crybabies.......your missing the POINT!!!!

Regardless whether Ware is a lefty or righty, regardless if it is John McCain or Ted Kennedy,
SINCE WHEN DO FUCKING reporters get to BECOME HECKLERS!!???

ASK a question, ASK a follow up question maybe.....................THAT'S IT!!!!
IF reporters are going to start acting like asswipe hecklers, then they will get booted like them!!!!
Let the crying resume...........

Are these people from the l... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

Are these people from the left really Americans? Every post you read from them is hoping our country loses. Look what your "great swampdrainer" is doing. Going behind the back of the President of the USA (after being asked not to) to kiss the ass of old "chinless". She should be arrested when she steps off the plane and charged with Treason. Speedy trail and then hang the bitch. Is this what our counrty can expect from this crowd? If so there will be no USA as we know it now in the very near future.

So, there's no video from t... (Below threshold)
Jack Sprat:

So, there's no video from today's press conference in Baghdad? The video I just saw a few minutes ago was from the 29th of March, Friday, which I did see on CNN.

Followed the "update" links... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

Followed the "update" links. Landed in the middle of an amateur bloggers' circle jerk. Lots of vocalises.
Where's the beef?
Tweezer City from the looks of it!

Recognize Ware now from the semi-topical video link.
Aussie! :0) Commonwealth correspondents are renowned for their fieldwork anyway and he's been there 4 years. That's cred! I'll bet the US cabana correspondents were embarrassed for being so housebroken themselves for so long.
As for S&L McCain and Ensign Ladyboy: they're getting paid...

I like Drudge, but I think he must have spilled his Mai Tai on his new seersucker trousers.

These "reporters" need to k... (Below threshold)
Jo:

These "reporters" need to keep their opinions to themselves. We know for a fact that CNN and it's reporters CAN keep their mouths shut when they want to. As they did all those years when Saddam was killing and torturing his citizens and CNN kept quiet in order to keep their Baghdad office open.

But then that served an agenda more to their liking, now didn't it?

Ahhhh, liberals. I guess for them it's a lot easier to respect the murderous Saddam, than war hero Senator McCain.

The reason trolls all love ... (Below threshold)
Tony:

The reason trolls all love Ware's outbreak (and will defend his drunken, decorum-free reporting as superior) is because it's the real-world incarnation of themselves: 1) show up 2) yell things.

..except Ware's childish outburst got coverage they could only have wet dreams about

I don't know about any civi... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

I don't know about any civil war in Iraq, but I would say there is a cold civil war going on right here in the United States. Soon to go hot. You have a party that is so anti American that they will lie cheat and steal to gain power so they can cripple this nations defenses to the level that we will not be able to defend our selves, leaving the communists to take over. They run the schools and have stolen the democratic party. Bush has not lied, it is the left doing the lying. It is almost time to take up arms against the liars. Pelosi going to visit Syria to try to influence foreign policy is unconstitutional. She is guilty of treason, but democrats hold themselves to a very different standard then normal humanbeings. Michael Ware should be removed from Iraq, in chains. His disrespect for a U.S. Senator the stature of John McCain is beyond disgust. I saw that motherfucker on CNN speak after McCain talked to Blitzer. I truly hope the radicals get their hands on him.

The dweeb has no intention ... (Below threshold)
Michael Evilcorn:

The dweeb has no intention of venturing outside the green zone, and now it is becoming obvious his scared-at-a-distance approach is bogus.

bryanD[elusional]<... (Below threshold)
marc:

bryanD[elusional]

"Heckled". What did Ware say, exactly?
(Heaven forbid that career politicians get a razzing now and then.)

I honestly want to know... are you really that stupid? Really.

Do you honestly believe one who is actively engaged in the profession of journalism has any right to heckle anyone during a press conference?

Just where in a reporters mission of "what, when, where and how" does heckle fit in?

No wonder some of you idiots believe Fox is biased beyond compare.

Kougar...

the asshole lied when he said ""There are neighborhoods in Baghdad where you and I could walk through those neighborhoods, today."

And you know this is a lie how? Been there? Charter member of the Dkos cheering section?

Really, I want to know by what method you can say for certain McCain lied?

" Bush has not lied, it is ... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

" Bush has not lied, it is the left doing the lying. It is almost time to take up arms against the liars"

THAT IS THE FUCKEN TRUTH! I AM STILL REGISTERED DEMOCRATIC AND HAVE BEEN FOR NEARLY 20 YEARS SO YOU CAN DIRECT YOUR LIMP WRIST OUTRAGE TO ME WHEN I SAY, GO TO HELL ALL OF YOU TRAITOROUS UN-AMERICAN DEMOCRAT LYING SCUM. YOU ARE NOT AMERICANS, YOU ARE DEMOCRATS AND THE ENEMY.

IT'S TIME TO PUT YOU TRAITORS UNDER A BRAIN SCAN LIE DETECTER WITH NEAR FAULTLESS ACCURACY SO THAT DEMOCRATS CAN BE EXPOSED FOR ALL THE WORLD TO SEE. YOU ARE ALL FOR THE RULE OF LAW HOLDING HEARINGS AND INVESTIGATIONS RIGHT? PUT EVERY POLITICIAN UNDER THE BRAIN SCAN AND LETS SEE WHO THE LIARS AND TRAITORS ARE ON BOTH SIDES.

Zelsdorf is right , it's time to put an end to the democrats pussification of our Country with their bed wetting infantile propaganda.

Thanks for playing another ... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

Thanks for playing another edition of:

"Republicans Grasping At Straws."

"the asshole lied when he s... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

"the asshole lied when he said ""There are neighborhoods in Baghdad where you and I could walk through those neighborhoods, today."

And you know this is a lie how?"

These dirty demanding dumbasscraps accuse others of lying because of their mental defect of deluded thought. It's called "TRANSFERENCE"

You transfer the behavior you've always engaged in to others, because DEMOCRATS assume that THEIR behavior is the norm."

No doubt about it.

Wrong idiot, it is you ra... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

Wrong idiot, it is you rats that are playing games and desparate to smear those who are not criminal frauds like yourselves. Shameless incompetant cowards.

McCain's visit came three d... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

McCain's visit came three days after the U.S. embassy issued an order that personnel are to wear "personal protective equipment" when moving between buildings INSIDE the Green Zone.

Virtually any Baghdadi will... (Below threshold)
kim:

Virtually any Baghdadi will tell you it's safer to walk the streets now than several months ago. Watch the blogs.

All the rest, sound and fury, signifying leftist desperation and rightist frustration.
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Let me be the first to note... (Below threshold)
marc:

Let me be the first to note this before the back peddling starts.

Lets assume this story isn't true. Lets assume reporter Ware is pure as the driven snow, the event never happened and Drudge is so far off base he missed the stadium parking lot.

Keep this in mind when those defending Ware at this point in the thread when they do a double reverse if the story is false.

Don't accept their "excuse" that what they said was in ref to a false story and it doesn't matter.

Remember... always remember, their acting and commenting as though the episode is true.

Well, a posted story on the... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Well, a posted story on the inappropriateness of a "reporter", (not a columnist) heckling the very people he was supposed to cover. It seems the dimmers find this acceptable. The dimmers are an uncivil bunch. Always have been. They don't get their way, the make noise and throw a tantrum. Proven many times over. Pathetic, as always. ww

Oh yes, Pelosi's trip to Sy... (Below threshold)
Mike:

Oh yes, Pelosi's trip to Syria, she's such a traitor, well, then what about the 3 repuggies who went there several days before her? AREN'T THEY FUCKING TRAITOR'S ALSO?

A Republican-led congressional delegation is also visiting Syria, a trip that the White House has apparently not criticized similarly. Kristol did not mention the reported Republican-led trip to Syria, much less the inconsistency in the White House's criticism of Pelosi's trip and its silence on the Republican-led trip.

On April 1, the Associated Press reported that a delegation of House members including Reps. Frank Wolf (R-VA), Rep. Joe Pitts (R-PA), and Rep. Robert Aderholt (R-AL) had met with Syrian President Bashar Assad, two days before Pelosi's planned meeting.

Spin those lies puggies, because it's Clinton's fault, that's all.

I've just been struck by an... (Below threshold)
kim:

I've just been struck by an emerging and horrifying, but tres amusant, irony and that is that it may be Arab socialists that become the moderating voice of Islam. No one else seems to be speaking up against radical Islam.

Well, except for the Firebird, Dr. Jasser.
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I am going to type slow so ... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

I am going to type slow so the dimmers can catch this. Speaker Pelosi is one of four leaders of our government. A big difference. When GW, Cheney, Pelosi, Reid go on foreign soild and speak, there is meaning behind it. I still don't think you would understand. ww

bryanD[elusional]... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:
bryanD[elusional]

"Heckled". What did Ware say, exactly?
(Heaven forbid that career politicians get a razzing now and then.)

I honestly want to know... are you really that stupid? Really.

Do you honestly believe one who is actively engaged in the profession of journalism has any right to heckle anyone during a press conference?

Just where in a reporters mission of "what, when, where and how" does heckle fit in?

Keep in mind this is the party of WWF Howard 'ryaahhh!' Dean. They somehow think that Randy 'Machoman' Savage is an eloquent debater. Should it really come as any surprise that they're enamored with someone who brings the level of discourse to this level ?

To most of the above McCain... (Below threshold)
dalleceneri:

To most of the above McCain ass-sucking sycophants: you take a dim-wit Drudge story based on an unamed official and run with it, notwithstanding the fact that Drtudge is often a sloppy and irresponsible agent who has been unmasked more than a few times for unfounded & unsubstantiated reports, simply because Drudge's report fits your talking points.

Further, from what I see here, a lot of Wizzers are deriding Ware with little or no awareness of his 4 year record of reporting from Iraq simply because you fools have some dim awareness that his collective reporting has reflected that Iraq is not a bed of roses, contrary to your wishful and/or delusional thinking. With so many of the baseless & moronic comments like those above, it is no surprise that the US is mired down in the Iraq tar baby.

Here on Wizbange it's patent; kill the messenger because none of you wants to look reality in the eye.

"4 year record of propagand... (Below threshold)
jhow66:

"4 year record of propaganda"

Drudge forgot to mention th... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

Drudge forgot to mention that his story was totally fiction.

For his part, CNN reporter ... (Below threshold)

For his part, CNN reporter Michael Ware claims that he said nothing during a press conference by McCain and the others. Ware claims that he only raised his hand to ask a question as the interview was ending. Ware claims that the tape of the interview proves all this. Has anyone here actually seen that tape to disprove Ware's account or simply accepting a claim by some bloggers that he was disruptive without proof?

zac:most of the a... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

zac:
most of the above McCain ass-sucking sycophants:

Case in point for my previous post.

Paul Hooson, the Wizzers do... (Below threshold)
dalleceneri:

Paul Hooson, the Wizzers don't need to see a vid of the Drudge story. Drudge posted the report, based on one anonymous official and the story was just what the wingnut doctors ordered; it proved that all of Ware's Iraq reporting was just Democratic slanted propagagnda because Ware's reports conflict with their Fantasy Land Iraq war world.

That's why the wingnuts hold the distorted views that they do; kill the messenger.

Mantis,Is the surg... (Below threshold)
Richard Romano:

Mantis,

Is the surge working? Yes, it is:

http://engram-backtalk.blogspot.com/2007/04/effect-of-troop-surge-on-casualties-in.html

Amazingly, your anger is always directed against the US, never against the murderers in Iraq, or against irresponsible reporters like Ware, who today called the war, "Bush's war." Nevermind the war against murderers who butcher children, blow up mosques, and kidnap and torture innocence.

Shame on you left wing moral fools who always point fingers, but never offer anything constructive.

Michael Ware is owed an apo... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

Michael Ware is owed an apology from anyone who promulgated this story.

dalleceneriTo ... (Below threshold)
marc:

dalleceneri

To most of the above McCain ass-sucking sycophants: you take a dim-wit Drudge story based on an unamed official and run with it, notwithstanding the fact that Drtudge is often a sloppy and irresponsible agent who has been unmasked more than a few times for unfounded & unsubstantiated reports, simply because Drudge's report fits your talking points.

See, and you may have thought I was kidding. It really doesn't matter whether the story is true or false, mental midgets like dallaceri will defend the "principle" of a reporter becoming the story as opposed their real job of reporting the what, when, where and how of it.

And to paraphrase you: To most of the above fellow mental midgets such as dalleceri: you take a dim-wit Drudge story based on an unamed official and run with it, use it to attack those you don't agree with and come down in full support of the possibility Ware actually did what Drudge has reported.

Dear Marc,Thanks f... (Below threshold)
Richard Romano:

Dear Marc,

Thanks for the perfect description of left wing zealots like dallaceri: a mental midget.

There is plenty of brain matter on the left, but very little wisdom. Ware is irresponsible because he claims the surge is not working, but we have objective evidence that it is. Some improvement is better than none, right? Not on the left. Would you prefer Saddam were back in place? Do you forget the mass graves? Do you forget the tortures, starvation, and brutal subjugation of the Shiites and the Kurds?

It is unbelievable what some of these leftists will do to parrot the party line, "we must leave, this war is a mistake, Bush is a murderer." Sad, pathetic, and tragic.

marc, how absurd.Y... (Below threshold)
dalleceneri:

marc, how absurd.

You really think that you have defined the issue? The only reason that Ware "might have become the story" is that Drudge and the anonymous official have tried to make him the story, along w/ a fool like you.

BDS has pushed this nations... (Below threshold)
kim:

BDS has pushed this nations' leftists into such cognitive dissonance about Islamofascism that the middleast's leftists find it bewildering. Why are America's leftists not more frightened of sharia than they are afraid of Christian or Jewish theocracy?
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Please, d, fewer absolutes.... (Below threshold)
kim:

Please, d, fewer absolutes. They absolutely define a narrow mind. What is this about the 'only reason'?
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dalleceneri, yes I agree.</... (Below threshold)
marc:

dalleceneri, yes I agree.

It is highly absurd people like bryanD[elusional ("The last thing the American public needs is ANOTHER J-school stenographer, anyway."), or Kougar who excuses the behavior (if true) by saying Ware has actually been in Iraq for months, and has actually witnessed what's going on.

As if that makes a difference. Then you have the delusional nerve to say, "along w/ a fool like you."

Point me in the direction of ANY words or combination of same that implies I believe the Drudge report to be true.

Don't hurt yourself as your head spins free of your neck looking

And it certainly, sophistic... (Below threshold)
kim:

And it certainly, sophistically, narrows and impoverishes the discourse.

Sophist. ::spits::
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Oh yes, Pelosi's trip to... (Below threshold)
Taltos:

Oh yes, Pelosi's trip to Syria, she's such a traitor, well, then what about the 3 repuggies who went there several days before her? AREN'T THEY FUCKING TRAITOR'S ALSO?

Uh, it's not the trip itself that is the problem, it's that it's without the consent and authority of the president which violates the constitution. The president can send the white house janitor to syria to talk to whomever if he wants. Pelosi is trying to usurp the president's authority, apparently she never read US v. Curtiss-Wright. Granted I haven't heard that the predient authorized the republican delegation, but it seems entirely likely.

And I should have added, wh... (Below threshold)
marc:

And I should have added, while I refuse to believe the Drudge report without further corroboration I have serious reservations about Ware's objectivity in reporting events in Iraq.

I can't type this early in ... (Below threshold)
Taltos:

I can't type this early in the morning.

Here isa short and to the p... (Below threshold)
marc:

Here isa short and to the point excerpt from US v. Curtiss-Wright:

In an opinion written by Justice Sutherland, the Supreme Court rejected these arguments and found in favor of the government. The Court reasoned that, while the Constitution may not explicitly say that all ability to conduct foreign policy on behalf of the nation is vested in the President, such power is nonetheless granted implicitly. Moreover, said the Court, the Executive, by its very nature, is empowered to conduct foreign affairs in a way which Congress cannot and should not. The Court stated that "there is sufficient warrant for the broad discretion vested in the President to determine whether the enforcement of the statute will have a beneficial effect upon the reestablishment of peace in the affected countries."[5]

McCain's visit to Iraq need... (Below threshold)

McCain's visit to Iraq needs to be viewed in this light. A very important story that has been lost here is that John Mccain has not yet disclosed his first quarter presidential campaign first quarter fund raising figures. He is lagging by a nearly 2 to 1 margin behind Rudolph Giuliani in public opinion polls and needed desperately to generate some positive political news to offset what may be a very disappointing fundraising report.

McCain is under pressure to appear loyal to the Bush Iraq War policies to shore up a weak position among Republican Party conservatives as a loyalist. With the Iraqi government's own Interior Ministry releasing figures Sunday that March deaths of Iraqis were at 1,861, up by 229 and 13% over February despite the new security crackdown and U.S. troop surge, and higher than the average of 1,500 Iraq deaths in previous months, McCain wasn't on a truth or fact-finding mission in Iraq, as much to make a desperate political photo-opt stand to shore up his lagging standing in his losing campaign effort. A weak first quarter fundraising report by McCain may almost effectively end his quest for president by drying up most new campaign donations.

McCain had a heavy political moltivation not to answer any reporter's questions about his visit to Iraq, heavily tilted towards being a political photo-opt to salvage a dying campaign for president.

" I have serious reserva... (Below threshold)
dalleceneri:

" I have serious reservations about Ware's objectivity in reporting events in Iraq."by marc

Looks to me that Ware's method is not all that different from what Daniel Pearle did and was attempting to do when he was kidnapped and subsequently beheaded.

Of course Ware is cautious and wants to maintain his contacts, but he is hardly a mouthpiece for the Iraqi terrorists/insurgents.

As a result of his contacts and methods, Ware has an understanding of events in Iraq vastly superior to what the Bush/McCain et al Disneyland fantasizers think they know about Iraq.

I've just been struck by an... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

I've just been struck by an emerging and horrifying, but tres amusant, irony and that is that it may be Arab socialists that become the moderating voice of Islam. No one else seems to be speaking up against radical Islam.


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Posted by: kim

They're called Baathists. Pass it on...

So I've thumbed thro... (Below threshold)
suhnamis:


So I've thumbed through these posts, and maybe I missed it. Does anyone actually have the exchange of the 'heckle' or is this all still hearsay? If I did miss the link I apologize.

suhnamis, so far no links b... (Below threshold)
dalleceneri:

suhnamis, so far no links but Ware did address the issue in this CNN clip this morning.

No evidence of Michael Ware... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

No evidence of Michael Ware's "heckling" -- just smear his name and work and hope that it sticks.

I think Ware deserves an apology and retraction from the people who have repeated and spread Drudge's false story.

Ware responds to Drudge's s... (Below threshold)
groucho:

Ware responds to Drudge's story:


http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/02/ware-drudge/

I'm going to believe the guy that was there, and has video that backs up his claim. The reek of desperation from these lying miscreants is growing stonger with every fabrication and/or poorly sourced, overblown "news story" ...as the wagons circle ever tighter.

Re: Pelosi's trip to Syria.... (Below threshold)
Jack Sprat:

Re: Pelosi's trip to Syria. Uh, it's not the trip itself that is the problem, it's that it's without the consent and authority of the president which violates the constitution.

Honest question. Where in the constitution is such a violation or trangression addressed? Is it under something like the duties of the SOTH?

Oh yeah - I was watching CNN this monring. Michael Ware claims he NEVER said ONE word during the press conference with McCain & Graham. I don't care who spews bullshit - just stop it. This is one of the reasons I simply don't believe much that comes from Matt Drudge. (Oh, Ware also said - "play the tape.")

Jack Sprat, Hezbollah in Le... (Below threshold)

Jack Sprat, Hezbollah in Lebanon is making fresh attempts to undermine the government and could be back at war with Israel by summer according to some Israeli military intelligence reports. The visit by Pelosi is an unofficial visit to Syria to attempt to divorce Syria from support of Hezbollah, prevent a new war with Israel, break up common support with Iran for Hezbollah, and forge a possible peace agreement between Israel and Syria. There's nothing wrong with any of these goals.

This deranged leftist anti-... (Below threshold)
nikkolai:

This deranged leftist anti-war activist Ware has admitted to being drunk most of the time in Iraq. He has quite a history of anti-American reporting. No wonder our resident moron lefties here adore him....

I do agree with other posts... (Below threshold)
suhnami:

I do agree with other posts that Ware's heckling would be irresponsible, unprofessional, and downright dickish. However, if the tape isn't even out and no one seems to know what was said (or wasn't) why does this thread exist? Ware says he didn't say a word. If the tape shows different then by all means unload on the dude. If not... well... then... this has been an entertaining thread.

Should someone remind the W... (Below threshold)
cat:

Should someone remind the Wizbangers that April 1 is... er... April 1? Someone should certainly remind Drudge that jokes are supposed to be funny, not libel. Looking forward to your retraction, Lorrie, since you're such a stickler for the truth.

Since the war weenies at Bl... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

Since the war weenies at Black5 and Ace deign not to retract their Ding Dong-fueled fantasies, Wizbang has been left holding the bag.

I know. Drudge. He's in a higher orbit. Occupational hazard insurance paid up.

So I guess it will be Candidate McCain to set the record straight. Can't wait.

PS: Ace has already moved on; is starting shit with the lady golfers now (war weenie!). They'll kill him, of course.

why does this thread exist?... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

why does this thread exist?_suhnami

My kingdom for a time machine!

<a href="http://rawstory.co... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Oops.

Well, it looks like Ware didn't open his mouth once throughout the press conference (watch the video). Any bets on when or whether Lorie will ever post an update explaining how she is willing to swallow any bullshit Drudge posts without details or confirmation and without the slightest bit of skepticism, despite how often Drudge's "scoops" are wrong? I won't be holding my breath.

Here's the tape. Just liste... (Below threshold)
cat:

Here's the tape. Just listen to that heckling!

http://www.mickware.info/Video/0401_CNN_Pipeline.html

Screw you dallecenari or wh... (Below threshold)
Wiley T. Stoner:

Screw you dallecenari or who the hell ever you claim to be. I saw Ware on CNN report, if that is what you can call the BS that spewed from his ugly maw, right after McCain spoke on Wolf Blitzers show. Had I been close to Ware I would have bitch slapped him into the next room. He is a fucking drunk liar. Believe his lies at your own peril. Idiot.

Honest question. Where i... (Below threshold)
Taltos:

Honest question. Where in the constitution is such a violation or trangression addressed? Is it under something like the duties of the SOTH?

There are no duties of the speaker in the constitution because the constitution doesn't create any such postition, it merely states the the house can chuse[sic] their speaker.

It's a general matter of overstepping her authority. I'm not aware of any specific statute or clause covering it. If I were the president I'd have sought an injunction preventing her going. I guess the only remedy available afterward would be impeachment for failing to uphold the constitution.

mantis: thx for the link</p... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

mantis: thx for the link

cat: thx, but I don't do Quiktime :)

PS: And as a face-saving ploy, though Ware didn't "heckle" after all,

the bushbots' survival pack instinct has, through political osmosis, decreed that he (Ware) is hereby, now and forever, indubitably and incontravertibly "a drunk".

Of course he was obviously joking, but "lalalala!"

(As for drinking: you all know the Lincoln quote viz. Grant)

It is perfectly safe to wal... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

It is perfectly safe to walk the streets of Neverla.. Baghdad as long as you got 100 soldiers and couple Black Hawks covering your ass. McCain is such a pud. Michael Ware kicks ass.

Lorie, do you have the g... (Below threshold)
dalleceneri:

Lorie, do you have the guts to retract your story and admit that you love to lap the shit that Drudge deposits and then relay his LIES?

LORIE, AT LONG LAST, HAVE YOU NO DECENCY?

This is the 3rd or 4th story that you have rercently jumped on that, in the end, had no merit whatsoever. But you sure did your part to hype it and give it life.

Did you go to the Goebbles University of Journalism? Do you have any honesty or ethics in the sh.. er work that you do?

LGF has updated and admitte... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

LGF has updated and admitted no evidence of heckling but leaves the door open to covert face-making (Ware back was to the camera, you see).

Intimates archly that the controversy somehow remains.

How right he is, but not in the way he means it.

dalleceneriAs ... (Below threshold)
marc:

dalleceneri

As a result of his contacts and methods, Ware has an understanding of events in Iraq vastly superior to what the Bush/McCain et al Disneyland fantasizers think they know about Iraq.

What's the matter,couldn't find any instance if my support for Drudge so you ignore the accusation you made and the question that followed?

Ware has an understanding of events in Iraq vastly superior to what the Bush/McCain et al Disneyland fantasizers think they know about Iraq.

Does his "understanding" include his unsubstantiated charges about US soldiers "manhandling" Iraqi women?

And BTW dalleceneri did you notice the section of the Youtude video you linked to when Ware says, "to sell it's merits and to say yes it is having an impact and to take that message home to an American people that is desperate to hear signs of progress" in reference to the "surge" is having an effect?

Funny that! You spend most, if not the entire thread defending Ware and his demonstrated prowess as a reporter and he lays to waste the idea the "surge" isn't working.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that called getting hoisted on your own petard?

Not only does "Lorie Byrd" ... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

Not only does "Lorie Byrd" owe Michael Ware an apology she owes the readers of this website an apology.

Does his "understanding"... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Does his "understanding" include his unsubstantiated charges about US soldiers "manhandling" Iraqi women?

Did you actually watch the episode or just buy the WindsofChange line despite the fact that they don't even bother to quote him?

If anyone actually wants to go to the source, the video of the interview on Maher's show is here (skip to about 7:00) and here. You will see that the being drunk joke was in response to Maher's question about the odds of Ware getting killed considering the amount of time he has spent in very dangerous situations (Drudge, asshole that he is, uses ellipses to omit that question in his idiotic post and drastically misrepresents Ware's comment). You will also see his discussion about a hypothetical scenario in which he discusses, per Maher's question, what would happen if there were an incident involving an Iraqi woman (them Arabs are a bit touchy about their women). He doesn't accuse the military of anything, and Winds of Change knows that, which is why they don't include a quote or a link to the video.

Or you can ignore the source material and keep on believing the bullshit this and other blogs are slinging. Your choice.

mantis,Thank you v... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

mantis,

Thank you very much.

If Michael Ware were a real... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

If Michael Ware were a real reporter he would not work for CNN. They lost all credibility, except to the flacks on the left, after it was revealed they concealed the actions of Saddam. You know what is wrong with the left? They believe their own bullshit. One lies and another one swears to it. I hope none of you went to college to learn how to be gullible.
dallecenteri, you and dog shit have a lot in common. With dog shit, if it gets in you car it will continue to stink up the place for a while. Since you logged on the wdbsite, you have been stinking up the place. Just like dog shit.

marc, shove it back up wher... (Below threshold)
dalleceneri:

marc, shove it back up where you pulled it out, if you can keep your teeth clean and free of Matt's curly hairs.

None of the Wizzers gives a damn about another fraudulent story from the fairy godfather, Drudge. And this lie will be repeated throughout the right wingnut blogosphere and Ware will be labeled as a drunk anytime he reports from Iraq, which will give the wingnut empire the excuse to dismiss the truth about what is happening in Bush's war. The sliming of Ware will become eternal because it matters not that their Big Lie was undone. Genetically, these pseudo-conservative whackos must all be descendants of Goebbles, their master.

First of all asshat I haven... (Below threshold)
marc:

First of all asshat I haven't and never will buy into the "drunk" tripe that is being pushed, however you foil hat firmly in place you have mis-characterized what Ware said about "mis-handling"

While the question was a hypothetical Ware clearly said "we have seen allegations that women have been mis-handled or rough handled..."

That's NOT a hypothetical asshat he clearly passes on an allegation he or one of his colleges have made with no evidence to support it.

And I'll also say to you... how does that petard feel firmly planted in your back?

Or did you fail to view the entire piece and didn't see the section when Ware said a U.S. pullout would be a disaster?

dallecenerimar... (Below threshold)
marc:

dalleceneri

marc, shove it back up where you pulled it out, if you can keep your teeth clean and free of Matt's curly hairs.

Damn...such child-like petulance! That petard must real hurt!

Considering you were an utter failure in pointing out something that never happened (my support for Drudge) in the first6 instance of this accusation, I'll try again.

Where in any of my posts do you see support for Drudge?

Adrian Brownem... (Below threshold)
marc:

Adrian Browne

mantis, Thank you very much.

Apparently you don't know mantis like we know mantis...view the second link "he/she/it" provides... you've been suckered by mantis.

Is the surge working? Ye... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Is the surge working? Yes, it is:
...
Ware is irresponsible because he claims the surge is not working, but we have objective evidence that it is.

Here's an excerpt from your own "objective evidence" that you cited:

The good news is that casualties in Baghdad have come down very substantially. The bad news is that casualties elsewhere in Iraq have increased substantially.

You're funny.

Hey - someone should tell Mr. Ware that since the surge began, US troop fatalities have dropped by 13% and the number of US troops wounded have dropped 26%.

Yeah, and I guess someone should tell the Iraqis, too.

quoted an Iraqi official who reported a 15 percent increase in violence across Iraq in March. According to their tally, 2,078 civilians, cops and soldiers were killed last month, 272 more fatalities than in February.

But I suppose it's to be expected that a thread that was created based on a right-wing smear (hey, Jay! Does this count as an official "smear"?!) would be filled with lies.

That's NOT a hypothetica... (Below threshold)
mantis:

That's NOT a hypothetical asshat he clearly passes on an allegation he or one of his colleges have made with no evidence to support it.

He said there have been allegations. There have. And such allegations are more than relevant to the discussion of how the Iraqis would react to an incident involving a woman or women. I assume you jump all over Fox News for passing on allegations or, even better, "some people say" storylines without doing any investigating themselves, right?

In the end, it is entirely likely that Iraqis would react strongly to "allegations," whether they are true or not. A discussion of this does not equal an accusation of anything.

And I'll also say to you... how does that petard feel firmly planted in your back?

What petard is that? That I said the surge isn't working? I never said that. I think it is working to temporarily decrease sectarian violence in Baghdad. That's good, but my guess is the long-term effect will be nil, unless we seriously up the ante and double or triple the amount of troops in theater and really get serious about controlling the population. That won't happen of course, so the whack a mole game continues.

Or did you fail to view the entire piece and didn't see the section when Ware said a U.S. pullout would be a disaster?

I saw that, and it would be. Did you miss the part where he said all we are doing is prolonging that disaster and the longer we stay there the worse the violence gets?

Anyway, we've established that you're very good at calling people names; too bad you can't direct that energy into making a coherent argument.

marc, I was going to ask yo... (Below threshold)
cat:

marc, I was going to ask you if you have an attention span longer than three seconds, but you say you've watched the whole video, so I'll believe you. And yet we seem to have watched a whole different thing. "We've seen allegations..." Didn't you understand the word "never" in the phrase "I hope we *never* see that spark lit"? Windsofchange didn't understand. You don't understand. Do we speak a different language? You complain about Ware referring to the allegations. Iraqis had all heard these allegations. You're saying Americans shouldn't know what kind of allegations are making life even more dangerous for their own troops? Only Iraqis should know people have said this but Americans shouldn't? Americans should remain in blissful ignorance of the kind of thing that could get even more of their troops killed?

Anyway, enough of that nonsense. Lorie, you didn't make up the lie about Ware heckling McCain, but you helped spread it. If you have the slightest bit of decency after watching the video of that news conference, you should write a correction and an apology. And you should do it in a new post, not as an add-on update to an old post that most of your readers won't notice.

mantis:He said... (Below threshold)
marc:

mantis:

He said there have been allegations. There have. And such allegations are more than relevant to the discussion of how the Iraqis would react to an incident involving a woman or women.

But...but you said it was all hypothetical, that there was no "there" there. Now you claim "there have been allegations."

So... did Ware offer any evidence? No.

Cat:

mantis clone.

But...but you said it wa... (Below threshold)
mantis:

But...but you said it was all hypothetical, that there was no "there" there. Now you claim "there have been allegations."

I said the question was a hypothetical (you know, when Maher says "what would happen if..."), and Ware put it into context by saying that there have been some allegations. Does Ware say they are true? Does he need to provide evidence, during an interview, that allegations have been made? You keep moving your goalposts around now that you have to look at the source material, and now your response is to try and catch me in some rhetorical or semantic mistake, ignoring the real issue entirely. Ware did not accuse anyone of anything. That is indisputable.

Don't think I haven't noticed that you ignored everything else I wrote. I'll assume, safely, that you have no response.

marc, you need help.... (Below threshold)
cat:

marc, you need help.

correct "someone" does need... (Below threshold)
marc:

correct "someone" does need help and by the body of "work" here produced by mantis it's plain where it's needed most.

I'll assume, safely, that you have no response.

mantis, you can safely assume the far side of the moon is purple considering it's not visible from earth, that doesn't make it true.

It's also possible you're not worth spending that much time on.

It's also possible you'r... (Below threshold)
mantis:

It's also possible you're not worth spending that much time on.

Occam tells me you're full of shit.

Let's stop wasting our time... (Below threshold)
cat:

Let's stop wasting our time on that. The video of Ware and Maher are there for everyone to see and decide for themselves. So is the video of Ware NOT heckling McCain - that is where this whole thread starts. And that is where an apology should start.

I've changed my mind, marc.... (Below threshold)
cat:

I've changed my mind, marc. This discussion is not over. In the interview with Maher in May 2006, Ware spoke about *allegations* of *manhandling*. I wasn't going to mention this, but it just has do be said - were you asleep when the military court handed down this sentence:

"Soldier gets 100 years in prison for rape, killing of 14-year-old Iraqi girl"
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-02-22-iraq-slaying_x.htm

That's what the court martial decided. Compare that with Ware's statement. Now, back to that apology for lying about non-existent "heckling."

Not as asleep as you are at... (Below threshold)
marc:

Not as asleep as you are attempting to associate Ware's comments with the USAT story.

Neither one of us know for fact there is a connection but that doesn't stop you from trying does it.

That aside, where have I said there haven't been any actual events of abuse?

The level of lazy, misinfor... (Below threshold)
oversight:

The level of lazy, misinformed and vicious discourse on this blog is stunning. Watch the video. Ware did not heckle anyone. Drudge lied AGAIN and most of you wingnut fools ran with it. When things are going as poorly as they are for republicans,the warmth and comfort of a thread like this one, as pathetic as it is, is a place for people who are unwilling to think for themselves, are incapable of dignified debate and live for childish namecalling and personal insult. BTW,for everyone who made comments deriding Mr. Ware,he was just interviewed on CNN by Susan Malveaux where he completely dimantled the democratic plan to pursue troop withdrawals or reduction in war funding in Iraq. Will Lori retract this blatant journalistic faux pas? If she has any ethics or spine,she will. I won't hold my breath for Drudge, as he represents the shining pinnacle of republican ethical and journalistic excellence. Truth is not his scene. Spin, innuendo and character assassination are what Drudge is about.

Not as asleep as you are... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Not as asleep as you are attempting to associate Ware's comments with the USAT story.

Neither one of us know for fact there is a connection but that doesn't stop you from trying does it.

You are pathetic. Not only has it been shown that Ware did not accuse anyone of anything, specific instances of abuse supporting what Ware alluded to have been introduced. Now your argument is that Ware did not specify which allegations of abuse he was referring to, therefore you can reasonably assume he was referring to ones that didn't exist, instead of those that do? You're an idiot.

That aside, where have I said there haven't been any actual events of abuse?

You didn't. You said this:

Does his "understanding" include his unsubstantiated charges about US soldiers "manhandling" Iraqi women?

Unsubstantiated. Your argument is not that such incidents have not occurred, but that Ware didn't say which ones he was referring to? So fucking what?

Btw I like how saying "there have been allegations" in your mind equals "unsubstantiated charges."

Hey, anyone notice that the... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Hey, anyone notice that the allegation has been taken off Drudgereport? Fancy that, another "exclusive" appears, numerous bloggers pounce like jackals to a carcass, and then it just vanishes down the memory hole. Some bloggers are honest enough to recognize they've been had and post an update, and the rest are content to let it sit out there with their names on it.

I wouldn't be surprised if ... (Below threshold)
jim:

I wouldn't be surprised if Michael Ware is planning a rather large and easily won lawsuit.

Will you accept service of process through US Mail or will you insist on service by the United States Marshalls?

mantis, yeah Drudge let it ... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

mantis, yeah Drudge let it expire at around 4pm. The "Ace" blog's comments section has been closed down because of "spam" (hee hee). Haven't checked the others.

I wonder if Wizbang will allow itself to be the downstream reservoir for those weenies in future. Not Drudge, but the fat asses.

So when are any of you assh... (Below threshold)
ChrisO:

So when are any of you assholes going to directly address the fact that the Drudge report was completely false? Reading through the comments it's interesting to see the trend as it became increasingly obviuous that Drudge was once again full of shit. The wingnut comments strayed farther and farther from the McCain press conference. But of course no one has the balls or decency to say "I guess we fucked that one up." Instead, let's see if we can dig up fragments of quotes out of context. If we show that Ware's a bad man, than any charge against him is automatically true, and doesn't need to be substantiated.

Hey marc, you seem to be the mouthiest asshole on this thread. Can you please directly quote some of Ware's heckling of McCain? Or man up a little bit and admit that the entire premise of this thread is bullshit? How does it feel to be used once again?

"And this lie will be repea... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

"And this lie will be repeated throughout the right wingnut blogosphere and Ware will be labeled as a drunk anytime he reports from Iraq, which will give the wingnut empire the excuse to dismiss the truth about what is happening in Bush's war."

Listen to this cry baby and hypocrite. Waa! this lie will be repeated WAAA! You have a guilty transference conscience don't ya ?

I thought democrats were suposed to be smart. You are someone who worries about your partner cheating on you because you are in fact cheating.
Another Rat busted , you lose , play again , NEXT!

You see only the Criminal frauds can repeat lies over and over again. There kids with helmets and telling lies is their handicap. It's pretty much all they have to offer. Got to love how they have zero accountabilty claiming everything theydo is the will of the people. Nov 7 remember Nov 7 , what a bunch of sissies already having their victim to blame for their fuckups and their sick agenda.

Why no apology? Would an ap... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

Why no apology? Would an apology be too mature? Would an apology be taking responsibility for one's actions? Is it something you just don't want to do? Is it emotionally just too difficult?

At the very least please explain why you feel that no apology is necessary (if that's your feeling). I'd really like to know.

marc, the ,aster whore of f... (Below threshold)
dalleceneri:

marc, the ,aster whore of fraudulent allegations & baseless slime smears! Where are you now, know-it-all?

"the excuse to dismiss ... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

"the excuse to dismiss the truth about what is happening in Bush's war."


CNN and the truth? Ya right , their propaganda is their truth. CNN has ZERO CREDIBILITY. You think I'm are not going to believe him because of some drinking or some heckling/non heckling? I could care less. CNN Sucks Dimballs and are a bunch of stupid fucks. They are Dictators/Dimwits mouthpiece, not reporters.

Here's a chance to actually... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

Here's a chance to actually state the truth for once:

"Michael Ware didn't heckle John McCain in Iraq. We apologize if we gave you the impression that he did."

Why not? What is so hard about that?

dalleceneri, marc ... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

dalleceneri,

marc may be depilating his anus.

Or reading this.

Shhhh! let's see...

MATT DRUDGE CAUGHT WITH CHI... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

MATT DRUDGE CAUGHT WITH CHILD PORNOGRAPHY

**Exclusive**

Officials say that internet gossip site owner Matt Drudge has been caught with a huge collection of child pornography. Sources say called Drudge's collection . . .

http://www.dailykos.com/story/20...4/2/172233/ 2599

Where is Carl Rove's apo... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

Where is Carl Rove's apology assholes?

"So when are any of you assholes going to directly address the fact that the Drudge report was completely false?"

Ha ha , screw you , how about in three years and after wasting millions of our taxdollars. What makes you think your entitled to an apology? The democrats are so back logged with people they need to say "I guess we fucked that one up." or a simple apology that they could not even put a timetable on how long it would take to complete.

Here's your chance to do th... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

Here's your chance to do the right thing -- take the high road -- apologize for saying that Michael Ware heckled John McCain.

"Why not? What is so hard a... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

"Why not? What is so hard about that?"

Because....because it's just not true. "I did not have sex with that woman, Lewinsky"

I have been away from the c... (Below threshold)
Lorie Byrd:

I have been away from the computer today, living life in the real world, doing Mommy stuff and wife stuff. I posted a "24" post a couple of hours ago, along with a few comments there, then helped my fifth grader finish a project for school. I am just now trying to catch up reading stuff on the net and comments in this thread. I have not read enough about the video or Ware's comments to know what is what, but will take a look and post an update with the latest. I scanned the comments here and would like to give you guys a bit of info.

1) I am not attached to my computer. I am a wife and mom and do not sit refreshing comments every five minutes. I sometimes go 24 or 48 hours more without even looking at a computer screen. Anyone posting a comment and then checking back in every ten minutes asking why I have not responded yet must have absolutely no concept of what it is like to have a real life.

2)I often do not have time to read all the comments. I read them when I have time and thankfully have readers that alert me when someone goes overboard with profanity or threats, but sometimes inappropriate stuff in the comments just stands, unaddressed. I wish there were more hours in a day, but there aren't and I do the best I can. I skim them, and read as many as I can.

3)I have an out-of-town field trip to attend this week and lots of stuff to do to prepare for it and for being gone from home to attend it, so the last thing I have time for tonight is reading a couple of hundred comments, but I will read as many as I can tonight. I have skimmed the comments in this thread and see enough nasty ones that I am going to go back through when I have time. Too many Wizbang readers have emailed to say they no longer comment due to the nastiness. I am not sure what can be done about that without taking away from the open and free feel of the comments here. It is something we have struggled with and frankly I don't know what the answer is. It is sadly something that needs to be addressed.

Ahh, okay, got it. Bill Cl... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

Ahh, okay, got it. Bill Clinton lied so that makes it okay for "Lorie Byrd" to help spread lies.

Got it -- thank you.

There is SOME responsibilit... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

There is SOME responsibility that comes with printing a story with a headline that says:

"CNN Reporter Michael Ware Heckles Senators in Iraq"

Don't you think? I'd like an explanation.

I wouldn't be surprised ... (Below threshold)
Taltos:

I wouldn't be surprised if Michael Ware is planning a rather large and easily won lawsuit.

For what exactly? Libel? It'd be laughed out of court.

As for all of you gibbering for an apology, for what exactly? Lorie linked to a couple of other people's posts about it. An update saying that a video appears to disprove the story would be fine, but an apology would be ridiculous. By that logic every newspaper that ever printed a lie told to them would owe an apology to every single reader.

In short, grow up.

An apology (or at least tak... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

An apology (or at least taking responsibility for helping spread lies) would really be "grown up."

Lorie, had you prioritized ... (Below threshold)
dalleceneri:

Lorie, had you prioritized w/ the Mom & wife things first & the Drudge Report catch as catch can, then, likely by the time you got around to it, the Drudge Story would already have been taken down, you would never have seen it, you'd have no egg all over your face and your integrity would still be intact.

Now, will the CNN sniper/Ware vid be your fallback position or will you come clean and stop supping the slime?

TaltosEating crow ... (Below threshold)
dalleceneri:

Taltos

Eating crow is far healthier than continuing to sup at the Drudge slime table.

Hey Talos, Lorie r... (Below threshold)
jim:

Hey Talos,

Lorie republished a falsehood. On its face it was a classic case of actual malice justifying a libel verdict: a report based on an anonymous source, coming from a publication as iffy as Drudge. She republished and supported an accusation that Ware, a professional reporter, conducted himself unprofessionally. Then came absolute proof of falsehood in the form of a video. Ware can claim huge damages.

You see, it is just as much a libel case whether you REpublish or are the original publisher. If it sounds like maybe I know what I am talking about it is because I have taught libel law.

And Lorie's whining about how busy she is would not protect her from suit. Maybe she will think about that the next time she considers spreading some vicious and unverified rumor from the Drudge website....

And if I were Lori I would notify my insurance carrier and post an apology and a full retraction IMMEDIATELY. Just sayin....

Perhaps posts should be pre... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

Perhaps posts should be prefaced with:

"I'm going to print this defamatory headline and story. I may or may not check out the veracity later -- so take it with a grain of salt. In the meantime, if it ruins someones career that's just the way the cookie crumbles."

Michael Ware, along with Ap... (Below threshold)
narciso:

Michael Ware, along with Aparism "Bobby" Ghosm have a long history of repeating insurgent
propaganda. Like Wilfred Burchett back in the
Korean and Vietnam War, Peter Arnett in Vietnam, Gulf, & Iraq Wars, on the Aussie/kiwi side; Salisbury in Vietnam, Bonner in El Salvador,
Matthews in Cuba, Reed, Duranty in Russia, White
in China, et al. They decry the violence one
week, they give a platform to the purveyors of
violence; the next: Abu Deraa, the Shiite Zarquawi, 'Tariq' the ex Republican Guardsman
who wishes his son become a shaheed; a martyr.
He has reported on the Quds force, but always
suggesting they are in the right. He seems to
fit the stereotype illustrated in that PBS special with James Fallows; where two of the reporters( Jennings and Safer)would give away a
soldier's position , for a story. In that way
he resembles Fernando Corral, the Spanish reporter who 'interviewed' McCain in captivity,
which was republished in Granma. A grosser violation of the Geneva Convention, can't really
be considered

You see, it is just as m... (Below threshold)
Taltos:

You see, it is just as much a libel case whether you REpublish or are the original publisher. If it sounds like maybe I know what I am talking about it is because I have taught libel law.

You must not have been a very good teacher. Set aside the fact that a claim of heckling is a.) subjective and b.)not defamatory and that Lorie was quoting someone else's statements, TITLE 47 > CHAPTER 5 > SUBCHAPTER II > Part I > § 230 provides that "No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider."

So, in the instance a libel was even commited(I still say any judge worthy of having his job would laugh at you for trying to bring this case), you can only sue the originating source of the libel.

This was recently upheld in a california case by the way, Barrett v Rosenthal.

We share the concerns of those who have expressed reservations about the
Zeran court's broad interpretation of section 230 immunity. The prospect of
blanket immunity for those who intentionally redistribute defamatory statements
on the Internet has disturbing implications. Nevertheless, by its terms section 230
exempts Internet intermediaries from defamation liability for republication. The
statutory immunity serves to protect online freedom of expression and to
encourage self-regulation, as Congress intended.

The libel claim is silly as... (Below threshold)
mantis:

The libel claim is silly as are the calls for apology. A simple correction update is sufficient mea culpa in the blogosphere.

What I would like is for the bloggers who forward on Drudge "exclusives" without question and with declarative, unequivocal headlines to exercise a bit of skepticism once in awhile. While Lorie couldn't have known whether the heckling claim was true without confirmation or video evidence (although waiting for such things or even seeking them out would be, well, responsible), she very well could have watched the interview on Maher's show to have seen a) how Drudge deliberately distorted the interview and b) it was clearly a joke. The fact that so many prominent bloggers were more than willing to believe everything Drudge wrote without question or confirmation doesn't exactly show their commitment to honest discussion, debate, or opinion about anything. One wonders how many times they have to be burned by Drudge before they are skeptical of his unconfirmed claims.

Lorie, you don't have to... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

Lorie, you don't have to explain a damn thing to these idiots. I say this only because of the current carnival of clowns and their bogus outrage with the eight US Attorneys. They all seem to suffer from the same disease , sticking their nose where it doesn't belong and being the last people on this planet who should be making demands of others yet first to do so. I'm noone to tell ya what to and it's not my intent , they are just unworthy of any explanation.

Jim and idiots,

"Lorie republished a falsehood."

How does this pale in comparison to your party of criminal frauds outright making up falsehoods and repeating them even after you and they have been proven wrong?

Morons. Isn't it time to go milk the Hildabeast?

"One wonders how many times... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

"One wonders how many times they have to be burned by Drudge before they are skeptical of his unconfirmed claims."

The same can be said about the Democrats and their lies and promises they never intend to fullfill. And it looks like more and more people are finally seeing right through the democrat criminal frauds.

"While Lorie couldn't have ... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

"While Lorie couldn't have known whether the heckling claim was true"

It's just not a good idea to print defamatory headlines and stories without confirmation -- Lorie took a chance and printed it, it turned out to be completely false --

take the responsibility for a mistake.

"It's just not a good ide... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

"It's just not a good idea to print defamatory headlines and stories without confirmation"

Tell that to the democrats and their media.

I have yet to read all the ... (Below threshold)
Lorie Byrd:

I have yet to read all the comments here, but have gotten through over half. I don't know why Adrian Browne keeps putting my name in quotation marks. What the heck does that mean?

I think all of you convicting me of libel might want to pay a visit to some of those quoting the discredited source Joe Wilson about all those accusations the networks and national newspapers printed as fact. Or maybe visit some liberal bloggers about all those Bush lied about WMD accusations. (I have yet to understand how he lied, but everyone else in the world that believed Iraq had WMD was not).

As for my "excuses" that I am a mom... it is a fact. I was not trying to excuse anything. I was just explaining for those posting comments and then coming back asking why I hadn't responded to their comments, that I had not seen them, or anything on the computer, because I was living life in the real world... at an Easter egg hunt and at my kid's school and having supper with my family, etc. Bloggers are people, too. I hope that some of you take a break from the keyboard long enough to live a little, too. The pollen is giving me fits, but the weather has been gorgeous here in NC. Sorry, but 1 a.m. is as late as I can do tonight.

Lorie ---Don't let... (Below threshold)

Lorie ---

Don't let the "pollen" get you down! Damn allergies! Seem to be as chronic and annoying as some of these comments.

See you tomorrow on the ray-dee-o!

Andrea
Radio Patriot

Bottom line, this story was... (Below threshold)
Ben Perez:

Bottom line, this story was just false. It's as simple as that. We don't need any "Well, democrats lie all the time" comments.

Let's keep the focus to THIS story at hand and expose it for what it is. A FALSE claim.

The only question or statement that should be asked is,

Is Drudge going to reveal his lying source?

That's all that need be answered.

Bottom line, this story was... (Below threshold)
Ben Perez:

Bottom line, this story was just false. It's as simple as that. We don't need any "Well, democrats lie all the time" comments.

Let's keep the focus to THIS story at hand and expose it for what it is. A FALSE claim.

The only question or statement that should be asked is,

Is Drudge going to reveal his lying source?

That's all that need be answered.

I agree with Mantis that an... (Below threshold)
ChrisO:

I agree with Mantis that an apology is unneccessary, and talk of a libel suit is overboard. Although I think Taltus is mistaken. Lori didn't just republish Drudge's piece. She (or someone else from Wizbang) wrote a completely false and unsupported headline that said Ware had heckled the Senators. That headline wasn't Drudge's doing, and all of Lori's mealy mouthing about Joe Wilson won't change that. In fact, her unwillingness to step up to the plate is illuminating. As is her dredging up Joe Wilson. This is how you get in trouble, Lori. You're still talking about Joe Wilson's "lies" that were reprinted by the media. But just repeating misinformation you got from other right wing web sites can be dangerous business. That's how you end up talking about all of Wilson's "lies," while ignoring the fact that 99 percent of the allegations against him are completely unproven or debunked. If you want to belive that Wilson lied, go ahead. But the fact remains that believing half assed theories that float around the web is not the same as looking at video that shows you to be 100 percent wrong. You wrote the headline; you didn't qualify it as coming from a source you can't confirm. You stated it as fact. How long are you going to let Drudge mislead you? By the way, you'll notice if you go to his site you'll see no mention of the Ware story. After creating this whole firestorm arersponsible news aggregator would at least leave an explanation up on his site for a couple of days. This is what happens when he tries to play reporter, instead of just making a living on the hard work done by real reporters.

And have you noticed how, as a thread deteriorates, and the handful of responsible right wing commenters on this site thins out as another Republican lie falls apart, Rob LA Ca.'s presence increases? It's like "OK, we blew another one. Since we don't have any arguments to support our side, let's send in Rob with his weird ass accusations and fact free comments."

Hey CrisO , you stupid f... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

Hey CrisO , you stupid f*%$. Wizbag does not control me you piece of *&% and they can ban me anytime they want.

Let's see... how to start.... I got it.

Has anybody noticed how people like CrisO , Hugh and his fellow comrads only mission in life is to infect this sight , distort and distract the focus away from their criminal tratorous leaders?

Has anyone noticed how infantile and desperate they are as they accuse Republicans of the very thing they are fully engaged in and is part of their normal opperating procedures?

Has anyone noticed (I know they are blind to it) to support the democrat party you must repeat their lies and actively be involved in spreading their propaganda without question?

Has anyone noticed how utterly pathetic CrisO sounds as he pretends to know what he has no clue about like :

"As is her dredging up Joe Wilson. This is how you get in trouble, Lori. You're still talking about Joe Wilson's "lies" that were reprinted by the media. But just repeating misinformation you got from other right wing web sites can be dangerous business. That's how you end up talking about all of Wilson's "lies," while ignoring the fact that 99 percent of the allegations against him are completely unproven or debunked."

You almost want to feel sorry for such fools. I think I'll push for legistlation for "MERCY KILLING" one less cruel and inhumane unlike being dehydrated to death. I mean how can we just sit here and allow these people to fester in misery , babbling to themselves about things that aren't there? Where's the Humanity? Like they would have us believe , ONLY WE CAN FIX IT , FREE THEM FROM THEIR SUFFERING AND IT IS UP TO US TO DO IT.

You can call that the Democrat 8 x 2 Sophistry. And yes I just made that up , for you clueless democrat children with helmets I'll take the time to explain it to your unprogressive minds.

"ONLY WE CAN FIX IT, FREE THEM FROM THEIR SUFFERING AND IT IS UP TO US TO DO IT."

If you'll notice and focus at the quote you will notice the last eight words.Can you see them? Very good. No remember the number "eight". Can anyone tell me what those eight words have in common? Oh! oh! oh!...... Ok CrisO ......... their words? No stupid shutup and listen , learn then when you something and know the facts then you acan raise your hand and open your yap without making an ass of yourseelf.

How about you George? Uh well uh , let's see uhh uhhh mmmm uuhhh oh there two letters in each word. Very good George , you might grow up to be President some day so uhhh ... work on your communication skills a bit.

"IT IS UP TO US TO DO IT."

So there you have it in all it's arrogance, the "Democrat 8 x 2 Sophistry"

Oh and CrisO, quite lying stupid.

"Not that it matters anymore but for the background and details of that trip, the Senate Intelligence Committee's Report on Pre-War Intelligence Assessments of Iraqi WMD (Pages 49-57) makes Mr. Wilson out to be exactly what the White House was desperately trying to tell journalists; a bald faced liar"

http://intelligence.senate.gov/108301.pdf

Democrats are criminals , frauds and Liars and you cannot prove otherwise.


<a href="http://rawstory.co... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Oops! Time for another update.

Mantis--Or maybe i... (Below threshold)

Mantis--

Or maybe it's time for two more updates. John McCain now confirms that what he said was laughable.

Michel Ware also said that ... (Below threshold)
Ryan Stoots:

Michel Ware also said that he was "amazed by how delusional the democrat debate back here is". He's pretty much said the democrats are crazy for thinking we can leave Iraq now. Why Dont I see tons of articles about that?




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