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Dhimmitude Marches on in Britain

British schools are forgoing teaching about the Holocaust because they're afraid they'll offend Muslims who are Holocaust deniers:

Schools are dropping the Holocaust from history lessons to avoid offending Muslim pupils, a Governmentbacked study has revealed.


It found some teachers are reluctant to cover the atrocity for fear of upsetting students whose beliefs include Holocaust denial.

There is also resistance to tackling the 11th century Crusades - where Christians fought Muslim armies for control of Jerusalem - because lessons often contradict what is taught in local mosques.

The findings have prompted claims that some schools are using history 'as a vehicle for promoting political correctness'.

The study, funded by the Department for Education and Skills, looked into 'emotive and controversial' history teaching in primary and secondary schools.

It found some teachers are dropping courses covering the Holocaust at the earliest opportunity over fears Muslim pupils might express anti-Semitic and anti-Israel reactions in class.

This is unbelievable. Muslims are taught lies about the Crusades, the Holocaust, and Jews in their Mosques, and British schools are concerned with teaching history that contradicts these lies for fear of offending Muslim students? If British teachers are too scared to confront the Muslim students with the truth, then they have already submitted to dhimmitude. They should just approve a totally pro-Muslim curriculum and be done with it.

Update: Betsy Newmark, a high school history teacher, has commented on this as well.


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Kim, You've spelle... (Below threshold)
Laura:

Kim,
You've spelled "Holocaust" incorrectly in that first sentence after the blurb.

Got it. How dumb of me!

There's a lot of fear expre... (Below threshold)
pa:

There's a lot of fear expressed in that story: "fear of upsetting students" and "fears Muslim pupils might express anti-Semitic and anti-Israel reactions in class."

Perhaps the true fear is not for student sensibilities, but for the very real threat of physical assualts on teachers. Many teachers have been beaten to death or beheaded for upsetting and offending their Islamic students and communities in other countries. It could easily happen in England, too, especially now that we all know the Brits won't fight back.

So, when will the schools s... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

So, when will the schools stop teaching evolution, since that contradicts the Koran?

How long before the trolls compare Christians in the US advocating including creationism in the curriculae with this?

Preemptive Response: Because American Christians tend not to riot, bomb or behead when they are faced with opposing view points.

Forgot to mention: Please s... (Below threshold)
pa:

Forgot to mention: Please see the comments at Polipundit on this same story. One of the commenters offers much more information about this issue (scroll down a bit to find a series of comments). It seems to be confined to just a few schools in heavily Muslim communities, not a nation-wide movement. The fact that the policy is confined to Muslim communities merely reinforces my thought that the teachers are afraid for themselves, and are not acting out of concern for student sensibilities.

And how about the Jews? Wo... (Below threshold)
mustng66:

And how about the Jews? Won't they be insulted if their history of the Holocaust isn't presented? What about their feelings of of Christians for that matter? What we have here are leftie teachers AFRAID they will be killed, period.

Lets see three unnamed scho... (Below threshold)
nogo postal:

Lets see three unnamed schools allegedly are doing this...even if true..three schools do not a national policy make...I am sure we could come up with 3 unnamed schools in the United States that glorify the traitors of the Confederacy..you know those terrorists that attacked a United States Fort..that invaded and killed U.S. citizens..those that did not want to be a part of the United States..that would be just as reprehensible...

As for these schools in England?
It is not like this is a state secret..why can't the schools be named?
This has nothing to do with left or right..it is simply are there any other news reports with more specifics? Why this desire to jump to confirmation on a single vague source? If some can find other links please post.(I tried to google..this is the only source..it might be right..we'll see)

Glad to see you're on the b... (Below threshold)

Glad to see you're on the ball there, nogo. Can't have people saying this is bad if some hypothetical schools in the US glorify the Confederacy.

Good catch!

Nogo, I don't believe the l... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

Nogo, I don't believe the link to the Daily Mail suggests "glorifying" or not glorifying the Holocaust as you qualify teaching about the Confederacy here. It seems it's more a matter of teaching it at all. It's a significant part of history and it seems there are those who wish it be ignored. Despite the fact that you are upset that folks will criticize schools that eliminate the Holocaust from their curricula, you could at least take a couple extra moments and come up with an analogy that actually applies here.

This is Political Correctne... (Below threshold)
briand:

This is Political Correctness taken to the extreme...and it will mean the end for us all. The Brits are already done, it is too late for them. But there is still a remote chance we can save ourselves.

What a retarded story. Any... (Below threshold)
Ryan:

What a retarded story. Anything that is proven fact should be taught in school curriculum. This isn't about political correctness or tolerance, this is just stupid. If Muslim students have a hard time learning about the Holocaust, that's their problem. If Christian kids have a problem with learning about the science of evolution, that's their problem.

I wondered how long it woul... (Below threshold)
cat:

I wondered how long it would take the Wizbangers to pick up on LGF's great discovery. Not surprisingly, you didn't bother to look beyond the Daily Mail (not the respected of newspapers in Britain) story and actually read the original report. Here it is:

http://www.dfes.gov.uk/research/data/uploadfiles/RW100.pdf

A school. And another school avoided a controversial subject to avoid trouble from Christians. Do I have to point out that we have more than two schools in Britain?

"...I am sure we could c... (Below threshold)
drjohn:

"...I am sure we could come up with 3 unnamed schools in the United States that glorify the traitors of the Confederacy."

Name them.

"Lets see three unnamed ... (Below threshold)
drjohn:

"Lets see three unnamed schools allegedly are doing this...even if true..three schools do not a national policy make..."

It's a pilot program. Once it settles in at those schools the Dhimmi Brits will make it official national policy. If they don't, trains and tubes will blow up. All courtesy of the religion of peace.

Ryan, I realize you are tr... (Below threshold)

Ryan, I realize you are trolling with your comments about evolution but I think there are many in the scientific community who would love to hear your "proven facts" regarding the TOE. Although I personally, don't think it rises to the level of "theory", the TOE is not usually said to be a "proven fact" by even the most ardent promoters of the TOE in the scientific community. For a scientific theory to be proven as "fact" one would have to be able to observe and reproduce the mechanism itself. Something that has yet to be done. Not to say that it won't be but until it is, there is no "proven fact" involved here.

Another way of putting this is that if, by your analogy, the holocaust is as much "proven fact" as the Theory of Evolution, then I have to assume that you are a holocaust denier.

cat wrote:"A sc... (Below threshold)
drjohn:

cat wrote:

"A school."

Does it matter? When is it acceptable for the truth get bent over?

I mean, other than in Hollywood.

drjohn, I gave you the link... (Below threshold)
cat:

drjohn, I gave you the link to the real report. Did you read it?

If we're gonna go off the d... (Below threshold)

If we're gonna go off the deep end into evolution flame wars please lets distinguish between evolution and origins.

Bitte?

As for the subject of this post. We hear similar stories associated with private schools in the US and occasionally charter public schools, though not so much.

What I first thought of about this, however, is to wonder if England was one of the places where Holocaust denial is against the law. Anyone know?

It shouldn't be. Just like a lot of wrong things, making it illegal to deny the Holocaust doesn't keep people from denying it, it just keeps the conversation out of the public sphere.

Nogo Postal, I'm sure there... (Below threshold)
gattsuru:

Nogo Postal, I'm sure there are some who notice people who. Of course, I can also remember more than three African-American individuals who fought, by choice, for the Confederacy. Sides seldom determine skill, tactics, or bravery of a specific soldier or leader. It's easy to pretend that everyone on a side was an evil, capitalist, slave-owning, bastage, but a good number of the folk in the South were a lot more interested in the political aspects than the economic or social. After all, the war didn't start with the Emanciation Proclimation.

Even the worst cases of such glorification don't choose to actively go in the face of fact -- you'd be hard-pressed to find someone declare that there were no slaves or even refuse to mention their existence, and the same goes for most of the barbaric acts committed by or against the Confederates in classes going in-depth enough to comment on individual aspects of the war.

That's fairly and significantly different compared to a series of major formative wars of a couple centuries.

How long before the trol... (Below threshold)
mantis:

How long before the trolls compare Christians in the US advocating including creationism in the curriculae with this?

There's no comparison?

Preemptive Response: Because American Christians tend not to riot, bomb or behead when they are faced with opposing view points.

Well, not anymore, but they used to.

Synova No, Holocaust deni... (Below threshold)
cat:

Synova No, Holocaust denial isn't illegal in Britain - it shouldn't be. But anyone who preaches it is reviled - they should be.

I actually wrote about this... (Below threshold)

I actually wrote about this today on my blog. As a home school mom, I search the news to give a weekly update on why to home school. This disgusting example by the British is a very realistic reason why parents need to pull their children out of public schools.
Remember the British are only acting on things since 9-11 that we in America have already done, such as embracing Islam, and the absolute increase in anti-semitism.

I find it enlightening that... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

I find it enlightening that when confronted by problems in Britain, nogo and mantis obsess over what might have happened in the US or what happened over a century ago and was just as likely caused by racial problems involving people's hatred of the Irish.

Is there an incident in history that you two cannot lay at the feet of the US first?
-=Mike

I find it enlightening t... (Below threshold)
mantis:

I find it enlightening that when confronted by problems in Britain, nogo and mantis obsess over what might have happened in the US or what happened over a century ago and was just as likely caused by racial problems involving people's hatred of the Irish.

I'm not obsessed, I just don't have some rose-colored view of the history of American Christianity. Food for thought is all. Amusing interpretation of the Philadelphia riots you have. I assume you believe the troubles in Northern Ireland are "likely caused by racial problems."

Is there an incident in history that you two cannot lay at the feet of the US first?

Sure, the vast majority of history has nothing to do with the US. Events that happened within her borders do.

This would be like the US n... (Below threshold)
horse:

This would be like the US not teaching about slavery because it might offend children who's parents are in the KKK.

Mantis,That was more... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Mantis,
That was more an anti-Irish issue than a religious issue. The new Irish immigrants were swarming over the city in the eyes of many. Notice that it wasn't the group that was forced to read another religious sects' book that rioted, it was the group that objected to their objection of the KJB. This incident just gave racists and bigots an excuse.

You say it was more an anti... (Below threshold)
mantis:

You say it was more an anti-Irish issue, eh? What do you think the problem with the Irish was, if not their catholicism? I assume you're unaware of the fears of the time that the Irish would undermine the independence and democracy of the US by bringing the country under the control of the Pope. It's pretty much the impetus and the basis of the Know Nothing movement. The prejudice extended well beyond immigration, despite the anti-Irish (anti-Catholic) calling themselves "nativists." The Know Nothings formed their own party out of dissatisfaction with the Democrats explicitly because the party had Irish Catholics (native ones) in office.

Even if what you're saying were true, and religion were not a primary issue in the bible riots, does the use of religious differences as an excuse to get violent with those you dislike for other reasons (immigration, land, whatever) somehow make it better?

You say it was more an a... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

You say it was more an anti-Irish issue, eh? What do you think the problem with the Irish was, if not their catholicism? I assume you're unaware of the fears of the time that the Irish would undermine the independence and democracy of the US by bringing the country under the control of the Pope.

I assume you're unaware of the deep hatred of the Irish that the English brought over to this country. The Irish weren't exactly well-liked when they first started their miss migration to the US. They were ACTUALLY much more hated and treated poorly than Hispanics claim that they are today.

Even if what you're saying were true, and religion were not a primary issue in the bible riots, does the use of religious differences as an excuse to get violent with those you dislike for other reasons (immigration, land, whatever) somehow make it better?

Who was using religion as an excuse for violence? It seemed to me to be more about a desire to not have a certain form of Christianity taught in school.

You know, something people like you claim to oppose vehemently.
-=Mike

Well, not anymore, but t... (Below threshold)

Well, not anymore, but they used to.

Exactly. It doesn't happen anymore. Either way, both examples are the wrong way to handle things. Thanks for playing; glad we agree.

Now let's have a legitimate, present day comparison. Did anyone get beheaded over Chocolate Jesus? Riots and pillaging in the street over it?

Nope. Didn't think so. Once again, thanks for playing.

Poor immigrants are usually... (Below threshold)
kim:

Poor immigrants are usually scorned by natives because they represent cheap labor, as were and did the Irish.
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I suppose I'll ignore the h... (Below threshold)
mantis:

I suppose I'll ignore the history scholars here and just answer Tom.

Exactly. It doesn't happen anymore. Either way, both examples are the wrong way to handle things. Thanks for playing; glad we agree.

Both are examples of the extremes religious people are willing to go to in order to protect their religion.

Now let's have a legitimate, present day comparison.

Ok then:

The hotel and the gallery were overrun Thursday with angry phone calls and e-mails about the exhibit. Semler said the calls included death threats over the work of artist Cosimo Cavallaro, who was described as disappointed by the decision to cancel the display.

"In this situation, the hotel couldn't continue to be supportive because of a fear for their own safety," Semler said.

Hmmm.

Did anyone get beheaded over Chocolate Jesus? Riots and pillaging in the street over it?

No, none of that happened. Look how far the Christians have come!

Religion makes people crazy. Crazy people get violent. The only difference is that Islam still rewards and encourages it while Christianity no longer does. But that spark is still there...

Oh, for crying out loud. N... (Below threshold)

Oh, for crying out loud. Nice try. The difference is, mantis, there are Christians, including myself, who openly condemn the extreme few idiots of my religion who made the death threats.

Spark? Oh, please. Christianity doesn't make everyone crazy, and Christians have plenty of sane people around to smack down those that are.

Please stop trying so hard to compare the two situations. You're only contradicting and embarrassing yourself.

mantis misses the conflagra... (Below threshold)
kim:

mantis misses the conflagration in his own barbecue for the spark in his neighbor's lawn mower. He can't imagine any reason other than religion for the new world plight of the Irish.

I don't see why we can't return the lessons of the Enlightenment to the Muslims; we got the idea for it from them. Why not return the favor?
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Religion makes peo... (Below threshold)
Religion makes people crazy

Religion makes people smart. And by 'religion', I mean Christianity. I give you Augustine, Acquinas, Anselm, Newton (Isaac), Kierkegaard, Luther, Calvin. etc. Now, I'll admit that lately, the number of Christian intellectuals has been meager at best. But, as you say, that spark is still there...

The difference is, manti... (Below threshold)
mantis:

The difference is, mantis, there are Christians, including myself, who openly condemn the extreme few idiots of my religion who made the death threats.

That's not a difference. There are plenty of Muslims and Muslim groups who openly condemn the radicals.

Spark? Oh, please. Christianity doesn't make everyone crazy,

I didn't say it makes everyone crazy.

and Christians have plenty of sane people around to smack down those that are.

They get smacked down? When?

Please stop trying so hard to compare the two situations. You're only contradicting and embarrassing yourself.

I don't have to try hard. Christianity has a very brutal history and maintains a lot of crazies. I'm sorry if you don't like it but it's true. How do I contradict myself, by the way?

He can't imagine any rea... (Below threshold)
mantis:

He can't imagine any reason other than religion for the new world plight of the Irish.

I can imagine, and know of, other reasons. The fact remains that the primary quarrel with the Irish was their catholicism.

I don't see why we can't return the lessons of the Enlightenment to the Muslims; we got the idea for it from them. Why not return the favor?

I've long said that the problem with Islam is they never had an enlightenment the way Christendom did. The enlightenment paved the way for Christians to gradually reject the barbaric tribalistic tenets of the religion, the violent and intolerant dogma, and embrace scientific inquiry as a valid avenue to knowledge and progress. Islam needs to do the same.

Religion makes people sm... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Religion makes people smart. And by 'religion', I mean Christianity. I give you Augustine, Acquinas, Anselm, Newton (Isaac), Kierkegaard, Luther, Calvin. etc.

Religion doesn't make people smart, but there are and have been many smart and religious people. Religion often serves to hold such smart people back, preventing them from getting past certain intellectual roadblocks. Newton wasted much of his later life pursuing the foolish field of alchemy in his search for god. Luther was a virulent anti-Semite (through guidance from the bible, of course); he wrote:

First to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians, and do not condone or knowingly tolerate such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming of his Son and of his Christians. For whatever we tolerated in the past unknowingly - and I myself was unaware of it - will be pardoned by God. But if we, now that we are informed, were to protect and shield such a house for the Jews, existing right before our very nose, in which they lie about, blaspheme, curse, vilify, and defame Christ and us (as was heard above), it would be the same as if we were doing all this and even worse ourselves, as we very well know.

Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed. For they pursue in them the same aims as in their synagogues. Instead they might be lodged under a roof or in a barn, like the gypsies. This will bring home to them that they are not masters in our country, as they boast, but that they are living in exile and in captivity, as they incessantly wail and lament about us before God.

Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them. (remainder omitted)

Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb.

Shall I go on?

Good grief mantis. The men... (Below threshold)

Good grief mantis. The mental gymnastics you are employing to maintain this position is impressive, humorous, and sad all at the same time.

You can keep trying to equate the two religions and the reactions to situations all you want, but if you can't see the difference in how the Islamic community reacted to topics like the Muhammad cartoons and how the Christian community reacted to things like Chocolate Jesus, I can't help you.

Where did you contradict yourself? Reread your comments.

Religions don't make people crazy and violent. People are crazy and violent all by themselves and use their twisted belief in their respective religion to act out their violence and idiotic behavior. The difference is that Islam encourages this behavior and Christianity doesn't. You said that yourself. Hence, the contradiction.

I'm sorry if you can't accept present-day reality, but it's true.

So, there's a big debate ab... (Below threshold)
cat:

So, there's a big debate about whether all religion makes you crazy, or if it's just some religions. OK. That's the sujet du jour. (I recommend the side dish of dhimmitude, followed by the chef's special Crusade Flambe.) Doesn't have anything to do with the real report I linked to that was really a study of how different teachers in different schools are choosing to deal the different interests and biases from many different factions in society while they comply with the national curriculum. Did anyone read that report? It doesn't bear much relation to the Daily Mail's standard selective sensationalizing version.




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