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Iran's Hostage Strategy

Jay Tea made some smart observations below about how the resolution to Iran's hostage taking of British sailors has far greater implications than anyone is acknowledging. Michelle Malkin posted the following from an Army friend about how calculated and premeditated the actions of Iran were.

The world was distracted by the captured sailors incident, when it should have been focused on Iran's nuclear intransigence. Instead Britain lost face and Iran became the benevolent captor. In my view, the incident on the border on September between US forces and border-violating Iranian forces was an earlier attempt by Iran to achieve a similar IO effect by capturing US forces, staging video in Iranian territory, parading them around on TV, and acting magnanimous in their release.

This would, of course, forced us to deal with them face to face immediately before the GWB spoke to the UN (as well as Ahmadinejad). The problem is, of course, that US forces fight back and we don't allow ourselves to be paraded like fools for the world to see (see below).

Britain's shame is Iran's gain. Iran failed in September, but not this time, yet no news source has come to the conclusion that Iran had perhaps tried this before (even though they've been doing it for 30 years).

He then provided Michelle with this link. Iran appears to have tried this before, and now thanks to the success of their hostage strategy in the case of the British sailors, I am betting this won't be the last time.


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I absolutely agree, and I t... (Below threshold)
drjohn:

I absolutely agree, and I think I even posted here that this was likely a diversion from the nukes.

Given the situation in Iran, we cannot be certain if this was orchestrated by Ahmedinejad himself or the mullahs.

Lorie, do you or Jay have handy the link suggesting that the capture was in Iraqi waters?

thanks

Think about it- what are th... (Below threshold)
drjohn:

Think about it- what are the odds that the only the small boats crossed into Iranian waters? Would oyu not expect the big boat to also have been in those waters if the allegations were true?

No, they waited until the small boats were vulnerable before they took them. Otherwise they would have turned away the big boat before anything happened.

But wait, there's more! Rea... (Below threshold)
pa:

But wait, there's more! Read the following post at EU Referendum, including all the comments:
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2007/04/mysteries-grow.html

It appears that the BBC was aboard the British vessel, and the commodore was busy being filmed. Oh yeah, there was lots of footage taken of the "girl sailor", too. So the story is that the inspection of the freighter wasn't really necessary, but was perhaps carried out with the female officer because it offered a great photo op. And the preoccupation with being filmed by the BBC might explain why the Brits on both the big ship and the little boats were not focused on the mission and were unprepared to respond to the Iranian advance.

EU Referendum and the commenters make a powerful case for this explanation. I would like to know what Wizbang readers think about it.

That is an interesting link... (Below threshold)
drjohn:

That is an interesting link. At first blush it does seem as though they were inattentive.

Yet Iranian boats have been making routine incursions into Iraqi waters and they have simply been told to leave. In an equitable world one might expect to receive the same treatment in return, but clearly this was not the case.

All the more reason to accept that this is what most of us believe it to be.

O-Please, what a joke. The... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

O-Please, what a joke. The big tough Americans "you'll never take me alive". Wake up! This isn't a John Wayne WWII movie (by the way Duke pussied out from serving so he could make millions in Hollywood).

Oooh, takin' down <a href="... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Oooh, takin' down the Duke. Burn!

Guess Barney put you guys in your place.

mantis, I loved that movie ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

mantis, I loved that movie (on acid).

As usual, we can count of t... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

As usual, we can count of the same inane comments and language from the super marine. ww

They would have taken a US ... (Below threshold)
drjohn:

They would have taken a US Navy boat, big or small, with such ease. It would not have happened.

NOT have taken a US Navy bo... (Below threshold)
drjohn:

NOT have taken a US Navy boat.

One day I am going to have learn how to type.

I'm deeply disappointed in ... (Below threshold)

I'm deeply disappointed in the British Navy. A navy support helicopter returned back to the British ship allowing the Iranian speedboats to esily take the 15 hostages who were eight miles away from their ship on rafts. Then the hostages, in the lack of any torture whatsoever, quickly participated in the Iranian propaganda videos and betrayed their nation.

My own grandfather who was from Norway, Captain John Einarson, who learned English in London, was the captain of a major merchant ship in WWII that was supplying American and British troops, and was taken prisoner by the Japanese when his ship was captured and brutally flogged and tortured when he refused to give the Japanese any information about the American or British forces that could compromise their safety.

During Vietnam, former Senator Jeremiah Denton, a U.S. Navy Rear Admiral was tortured on a daily basis by his captors, but refused to betray his nation, and even blinked in Morse Code that he was being tortured.

Britain's Navy is under such serious financial pressures that almost half of it's 91 warships are scheduled to be mothballed soon to cut military costs. And the disgraceful conduct of the captured British sailors only represents a further decline for this once great world navy.

And no, it couldn't possibl... (Below threshold)
Steigen:

And no, it couldn't possibly have occurred for any other reason; say perhaps some of Bush' activities in Iraq.

Take a look somewhere apart from all your RW sources.

You posted that incredible ... (Below threshold)
kim:

You posted that incredible garbage on another thread too, Steigen. What were two senior Iranian military doing at a 'long established' Iranian office in Iraqi Kurdistan? And did you see where the article complained that the Americans should not have done such a provocative thing since they should have known it would lead to some such reprisal from Iran?

Do you ever stop to think about what you are reading?
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pa, that was an exce... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

pa,
that was an excellent link. And the map featuring the "corrected" Iranian position (in Iranian waters) may help illustrate the phoniness of the so-called Iranian provocation story. (Unless that was corrected Heading, but that wouldn't make sense so...)

As for the Parallel activity occurring during sensitive missions, in this case as publicity, see Waco, where the "show must go on" no matter if suprise or advantage is lost.

Very mysterious still. Weak commander. Government media safari. Support held in abeyance. Ambient war drums.

John Kerry's boat? No, I g... (Below threshold)
RScott:

John Kerry's boat? No, I guess not, he would have put those Persians behind him, and very quickly at that.

bryanD: Thank you!... (Below threshold)
pa:

bryanD: Thank you!

Do some of you seriously fe... (Below threshold)
AJ:

Do some of you seriously feel that Britian wussed out? It's a pretty sad day when people are critical of a non violent solution. Instead of criticizing, you should take note of how intellegent countries handle such situations.

This was a non-violent solu... (Below threshold)
Lorie Byrd:

This was a non-violent solution only in that these sailors were not murdered. The problem is the precedent it sets that encourages similar hostage taking because there was no real price for Iran to pay for taking the hostages and humiliating them by having them make those statements on camera. The next hostage situation might not end the same way. This ending was not really an ending at all because there will be consequences down the line.

I kept waiting for the hood... (Below threshold)
nogo postal:

I kept waiting for the hoods..dogs..nude pyramids..you know the stuff we do to folks we suspect are threats...
It cracked me up when Tony Blair complained that showing pictures of the captured sailors was "against the Geneva Convention" Hell..it was Gonzalas who declared that Convention "quaint"

Seriously..what if Iran did that..what would your response be folks...
I am relieved Iran did not use the examples like this...(of course..from 2006) they have yet to be released)
NEW YORK A federal judge ruled today that graphic pictures of detainee abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison must be released over government claims that they could damage America's image. Last year a Republican senator conceded that they contained scenes of "rape and murder" and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said they included acts that were "blatantly sadistic."

U.S. District Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein ordered the release of certain pictures in a 50-page decision that said terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan have proven they "do not need pretexts for their barbarism."

The ACLU has sought the release of 87 photographs and four videotapes taken at the prison as part of an October 2003 lawsuit demanding information on the treatment of detainees in U.S. custody and the transfer of prisoners to countries known to use torture.

Gen. John Abizaid, commander of U.S. Central Command, said Thursday that releasing the photos would hinder his work against terrorism. "When we continue to pick at the wound and show the pictures over and over again it just creates the image--a false image--like this is the sort of stuff that is happening anew, and it's not," Abizaid said.

The judge said, however, that "the freedoms that we champion are as important to our success in Iraq and Afghanistan as the guns and missiles with which our troops are armed."

An ACLU release this afternoon said it was getting 70 photos and three video tapes. It also said that the government is being given 20 days to appeal.

What is shown on the photographs and videos from Abu Ghraib prison that the Pentagon has blocked from release? One clue: Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told Congress last year, after viewing a large cache of unreleased images, "I mean, I looked at them last night, and they're hard to believe." They show acts "that can only be described as blatantly sadistic, cruel and inhumane," he added.

A Republican Senator suggested the same day they contained scenes of "rape and murder." Rumsfeld then commented, "If these are released to the public, obviously it's going to make matters worse."

The photos were among thousands turned over by the key "whistleblower" in the scandal, Specialist Joseph M. Darby. Just a few that were released to the press sparked the Abu Ghraib abuse scandal last year, and the video images are said to be even more shocking."

What have we become when we make a regime as despicable as Iran look good..
...Let's see..after 6 years and hundreds released from Gitmo..how many have we "convicted"? ah that guy who is being sent back to Australia...

oh yeah..as for the crap ou... (Below threshold)
nogo postal:

oh yeah..as for the crap our Navy would not have allowed that...U.S.S. Liberty..you know where Israel killed 34 of us?

I spoke out against the abu... (Below threshold)
Lorie Byrd:

I spoke out against the abuses at Abu Ghraib. I denounced them in no uncertain terms. I did not do as many on the left did and revel in the pictures as proof our military is evil. At least some of those who committed the abuses at Abu Ghraib are currently in jail. They were put there by the U.S. government. So I guess we agree that the abuses at Abu Ghraib were horrible.

Now for Iran taking the British hostage, which is the topic of this post. Do you support what Iran did? Do you think those British sailors said they were in Iranian waters because they were shown irrefutable evidence or because they feared for their lives?

Wasn't the USS Liberty an e... (Below threshold)
The Listkeeper:

Wasn't the USS Liberty an example of a Liberal Democrat ordering the Navy NOT TO RESPOND TO AN ATTACK?

Use of the Liberty was a ri... (Below threshold)
drjohn:

Use of the Liberty was a ridiculous comparison.

It's as the story linked in the article says- a chopper would have been flying overhead were this a US Navy operation. And were it my command, I would have put my big boat in between my guys and the Iranians. Then I would warned them to stop.

And then I would have put a salvo in the side of the Iranian boat.

And Israel apologized and m... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

And Israel apologized and made restitution for the Liberty immediately.

Don't tell me, nogo, you've entered the anti-Israel wing of the DNC.
-=Mike




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