The article notes the following:

San Francisco's black population has dropped from 96,000 -- or 13.4 percent of the city -- in 1970 to an estimated 47,000 in 2005, about 6.5 percent of city residents, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.

So, in 25 years, then, the overall population of San Francisco has stayed stagnant?! Because the black population has roughly halved (96K--->47K) and its percentage has also halved (13.4%--->6.5%)

What does that say about San Francisco, that 25 years later, when the US population has significant increased, when the California population has significantly increased, that the population of that city, on the other hand, has remained static?

This might suggest that it is a far less desirable place to live, period.

From the same article linked above:

Demographers cite economic success among black residents as the primary reason for the exodus. But others, including those who still live here, say that after redevelopment pushed black people out of the Fillmore district in the late 1950s, there was no longer a strong black neighborhood. The city's black population peaked about 1970, when 13.4 of San Franciscans were black.

[snip]

Johnson, the demographer, said many African Americans leave San Francisco for outlying suburbs when they have the means, just like members of other racial groups, in search of more of the trappings of middle-class life. Although it is virtually impossible to track where people go, he said it is safe to say that Bay Area cities with growing black populations are seeing those gains because of San Francisco's loss.

Most are in the East Bay and North Bay. Vallejo's black population has doubled since 1980 to 26.8 percent. In Pittsburg, the number of African Americans jumped to 19 percent in 2005. Suisun City is 19.3 percent black, and San Leandro's black population went from 1 percent in 1980 to 12.2 percent in 2005 as the small East Bay city grew 21.3 percent overall.

What's the mystery? or message? And what's grim about African Americans achieving a degree of financial success and wanting a house in the ssuburbs?

"What does that say about San Francisco, that 25 years later, when the US population has significant increased, when the California population has significantly increased, that the population of that city, on the other hand, has remained static?"

Check out a map - SF has water on three sides. Geographically, it's tiny, something like 7 miles square. The only way for SF to grow is to add height to buildings, and the city's residents are pretty much anti-growth to start with.

"This might suggest that it is a far less desirable place to live, period."

Typical faulty conservative logic. The price of housing in SF suggests otherwise.

But they SHOULDN'T want that, Lee - after all, it ain't 'progressive'! They're obviously caught up in the mindset that more consumerism=better lifestyles, so they ought to be forcefully re-educated and relocated into SF as soon as possible, where they'll have to spend a lot more to have the bare minimums of housing, leaving less money for the frivilous things in life!

After all, how can you have a system where you can support the class struggle if your chosen victims refuse to stay and be victimized? Far better for them to be poor in an area where a high cost of living will KEEP them poor than move out to the burbs and advance!

Damn it all, don't it just gall you when folks won't stay in their place? So the city of SF is determined to get 'em back in it. But it looks like a lot of them have wised up and are saying "Thank you, but we've had enough of that and don't care for any more."

Despite Leftie pandering to Black votes and Black's loyalty to the Democrats, the totality of values of the ultra-leftists are not the same values that many Blacks have.

"But it looks like a lot of them have wised up and are saying "Thank you, but we've had enough of that and don't care for any more."

and

"Despite Leftie pandering to Black votes and Black's loyalty to the Democrats, the totality of values of the ultra-leftists are not the same values that many Blacks have."

Dumb-ass remarks, right up there with LO's belch of wisdom.

Watching you WAPSy conservative crackers try to figure out what African Americans want, think, or will do next is funny stuff....

The only way for SF to grow is to add height to buildings

Or the Dutch approach, land reclamation. Although I'm guessing SF would be against that on environmental grounds.

Watching you WAPSy conservative crackers try to figure out what African Americans want, think, or will do next is funny stuff....
Not that you stereotype people, Lee. Or make blanket assumptions.

Home ownership in the City (San Francisco) is extremely expensive. If African Americans are leaving for the burbs it may be because they have chosen, wisely, to devote less of their income to shelter. San Francisco's population is stagnant because gays do not reproduce. Da.

I figure that most people want what I want, within certain perimeters. The idea that *any* of us are fundamentally different is racist.

People move because they want to move. SF is a pretty city and has lots of really neat ethnic stuff and what all but it is freaking expensive and driving sucks and walking or biking is *all* uphill.

But Vallejo is nice too. And it's closer (easier) to Napa and not as expensive and if you want to go to SF you can take the ferry right to the warf area and get a bus or just have a sourdough bowl of clam chowder.

People will go where they want to go. If they are moving out of SF it's because they decided it was the better choice for them.

Why should blacks who aspire to improve their economic condition want to live there in SF? The city is hostile to business, so blacks who want to own businesses face a city government which is placing more and more burdens on them; the taxes are sky high, forcing blacks to either pay more for their inadequate housing or move; and that the City appears to be more concerned with plastic bags than crime.

That's so black of you to say, lee.

So, when white people move out of the city to find a better life for themselves and their families, it is "white flight".
When black people leave, they are just following their best interests.

Good to know, Lee.

Personally, I read the aticle and thought "Good, another group that wised up, and (like me) moved on and moved out from the Land of Fruits and Nuts".
I miss the weather, but not much else, in San Francisco.

Lee-

I bet the significance of this part of the article escaped you didn't it-

The exodus has been coming up in lots of discussions across the city recently because of current and planned development efforts in the Bayview and Hunters Point. The Bayview Reporter runs an article or commentary in nearly every edition about how a proposal for redevelopment and private development at the former Hunters Point Naval Shipyard marks the end of any chance for African Americans to remain in the city.

Nancy Pelosi or Dianne Feinnstein-Blum wouldn't have any interests in real estate would they?

Well let's see what Dianne has to say at her Senate website plus a few quotes from her friends..

Washington, D.C. -- House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi, Mayor Gavin Newsom, Senators Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer, and Supervisor Sophie Maxwell today announced a final agreement with the Navy to govern the transfer the Hunters Point Naval Shipyard to the City of San Francisco.

This agreement puts on track the transfer of Parcel A to the City in the next few months. At Pelosi's request, Congressman John Murtha, the ranking member of the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee which has oversight of Naval spending, helped shepherd the agreement through this last critical stage of the negotiations.

House Democratic Leader Pelosi said:

"This is a crucial agreement for the Bayview Hunters Point community, which establishes important environmental protections. It is a strong step toward economic revitalization and opportunity, a safe environment, and a renewed sense of community.

"I have been working on this agreement for more than a decade, and I am proud we are near our goal. I thank Senators Feinstein and Boxer, Mayor Newsom, and former Mayor Willie Brown for their work on the Bayview Hunters Point Shipyard agreement. I also thank my good friend Congressman John Murtha for assisting us in this last round of negotiation."

Mayor Gavin Newsom said:

"This agreement has been decades in the making and will finally result in the clean up and transfer of Hunters Point Shipyard. The shipyard, once developed, will be a great asset for the residents of the Bayview/Hunters Point. Today's announcement is important because, for the first time, we have the Navy's signature on an agreement that ensures the conveyance will begin shortly. We look forward to the next meeting of the San Francisco Redevelopment Agency where they will be acting on the agreement.

"The people of San Francisco owe a special thanks to Leader Pelosi, Senators Feinstein and Boxer and former Mayor Brown for their efforts on our behalf. The city also extends its gratitude to Congress member John Murtha for his involvement in the negotiations."

Senator Dianne Feinstein said:

"Hunters Point Naval Shipyard has been a point of contention since my days as a San Francisco Supervisor, with all sides fighting over the level of contamination at the base and who will pay for cleanup. This agreement is a significant break through, and signals an end to the bickering that has gone on for a quarter of a century.

"The agreement means that the City can transform this former naval shipyard into a vibrant, vital part of Hunters Point. It will mean new jobs, new affordable housing, and help revitalize the community.

"I thank Leader Pelosi and Rep. Murtha for their excellent work and also the Navy for concluding this agreement."

http://feinstein.senate.gov/04Releases/r-hunters.html

Ghee didn't Dianne have to resign from her chair on some Military Committee-it wouldn't have anything to do with this-would it?

Richard Blum Sen. Dianne Feinstein's husband, Richard Blum, is affiliated with Catellus Development, one of the three major developers the Redevelopment Agency considered for the Hunters Point Shipyard Exclusive Negotiating Agreement. Catellus is the major developer for Mission Bay, also in District 10, and plays a role in the overall BVHP Redevelopment Plan. Perini Corp., a Massachusetts company controlled by an investment group headed up by California Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein's husband, banker Richard Blum,has become the focus of a lawsuit filed by the Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority, or MTA, alleging massive fraud in the construction of the Los Angeles subway system. The lawsuit,which names as defendants Tutor-Saliba Corp., California's largest contractor, and the Perini Corp., owned by an investment group headed up by Blum, alleges that Tutor-Saliba-Perini used dummy minority business enterprises to land contracts on the subway portion of the 57-mile Los Angeles Metro Rail line. The lawsuit also alleges that the white-owned firms set up dummy companies that were "either not qualified or in whom they owned a disclosing interest." The lawsuit alleges that Tutor-Saliba-Perini worked with subcontractors to present false claims for work on the Los Angeles subway to obtain millions of dollars for additional payments. "Willie Brown wanted to give Tutor-Saliba rights to retrofit the SF. Bay Bridge." See -http://www.calrailnews.com/bullettrain.html Terry Goggin, LennarAttorney, Willie Brown Richard Katz, and High Speed Rail Authority Joseph Petrillo.

Lee-

Just in case you are curious-the link for the lawsuit against Dianne Feinstein's husband, and Willie Brown by the state of California can be found at the Department of Energy for California-

http://www.energy.ca.gov/sitingcases/sanfrancisco/documents/intervenors/BROWN_L_CARE_2005-01-26.PDF

I personally think that a person or persons should be entitled to move wherever and whenever they want. The idea of black owned businesses having to stay in one specific area in order to be ackowledged, or viewed as responsive to the needs involved with black expansion is outdated. The idea of black people or any given race having to physically stay together in order to act, or be together is outdated. We live in the information age, and this whole idea related to attaching a race or ethnicity to that of any business should be considered outdated. Black people are far beyond the 1960's degradation era, and black people own more now than they ever have. Expansion is inevitable for all black people. The internet provides countless windows of opportunity for black owned businesses, and I am proud to say that I am an IT Professional who has developed dozens of state of the art websites for black owned businesses, whom chose success as an option to be taken seriously. On the internet, nobody knows what color ya are, and nobody can see who you are. We specialize in providing a creatively powerful first impression for black owned businesses, as well as other businesses to make them stand out like the pros in the industry. I said all of this to say. It does'nt matter where you live, or where you do business as a black person. Just maintain contact with your roots, help where and when you can, and be the best you can no matter where you are. I applaud the black hope, help, and ambition initiatives across the nation.

Nancy Pelosi also doesn't come out smelling to good via the same lawsuit-

Mayor Gavin Newsom
(Elected official)
Mayor Newsom violated the Political Reform Act by sponsoring 10 legislative measures introduced and passed by the Board of Supervisors without public comment on Tuesday, Dec. 7 and 14 concerning the Hunters Point Shipyard Redevelopment Plan and building codes for both the Shipyard and Treasure Island.

Newsom is the nephew of Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi and cousin to Laurence Pelosi, a current or former senior vice president for Lennar Communities.[Lennar is the developer of Hunter's Point Shipyard] Laurence Pelosi is documented as the campaign treasurer for Newsom's mayoral campaign. Laurence Pelosi has been identified as the son of Ronald Pelosi and Barbara Newsom Callan.

Here is a link to the html version of the lawsuit-the print is easier to read.

www.energy.ca.gov

Just for a bit of history, when Barbara Boxer made the move from Marin County Supervisor to Congresswoman, her new district was made up of the ritziest parts of Marin County, the poorest parts of San Francisco (Hunter's Point) and Alcatraz Island.

That's the problem, no longer do we have ghettoized voters who reliably and overwhelming vote Democratic. And I don't mean Marin...

Since DiFi and Peeeloshi just kicked a part of the land deal over to Mad Jack can Reid the land hustler be far behind, of has he already arrived in secret. Billions in taxpayer dollars headed to the bank in someone else's name. Unusual for the current group of criminals running congress. Na, just a normal day in their life of conning and stealing from the public.

How many thousands of manhours have been expended by the talking heads in defense of the traitor in the less than a week since Peeeeloshi showed the world she truly is a traitor to her country?

Gee, after looking at these prices for apartments, wouldn't you move too?

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/apa/

Rory: excellent posts, thanks.

OBTW, he's never curious but always a troll.

yeah Rory, that's some good reading.

Thre's enough Corrupt Big City Machine graft going around that deal to take care of every extended hand.

Gotta hand it to those folks at Lennar. They don't have short arms.

The only way for SF to grow is to add height to buildings

Or the Dutch approach, land reclamation. Although I'm guessing SF would be against that on environmental grounds.

There is a SF suburb, Foster City, that was built years ago entirely (or substantially) on land that used to be the SF Bay; they just brought in tons and tons of dirt and dumped it offshore.

They don't do this anymore, though, and you're probably right that it's due to environmental concerns.

Gee, middle class blacks want to live in nice neighborhoods. Shazam! Who would've thought.

Why is this even news? My neighborhood went from 90% white to 70% hispanic in 30 years and nothing has ever been written about it that I have seen. Why is the "mayor's office is putting together a task force to figure out what can be done to preserve the remaining black population and cultivate new residents." I guess some communities are just more equal than others.