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Nice to see they have SOME limits...

For several years, I've watched the Boston Globe push harder and harder for illegal aliens, calling for more privileges and rewards and acceptance of those who can't be bothered to abide by the rules (the most lax and liberal rules for immigration of any nation on earth) and cut ahead of the line to get into the United States. In pretty much every case, the Globe has come down in favor of the illegal aliens: amnesty programs, drivers' licenses, free health care, free education, no deportation, lenient sentences, attacks on enforcement, and so on. In fact, I've often wondered if there was anything that they wouldn't do, any concession they wouldn't call for.

Well, it's finally happened. They've found one principle, and they're clinging to it like a drowning man clinging to a life raft.

It's voting.

This page supports immigrants, including even the ability of undocumented immigrants to get driver's licenses and to be eligible for in-state tuition at Massachusetts colleges and universities. But voting ought to be reserved for those newcomers committed enough to the United States to meet the requirements of citizenship.

Driver's licenses are the de facto national ID card. In-state tuition at state-owned colleges are subsidized by the taxpayers of that state. They have no problems with giving those to illegal aliens, but they draw the line at voting.

And note once again their tactic of blurring the distinction between legal aliens and illegal aliens. They tout their support for all immigrants, but only spell out particulars for the "undocumented" ones and the only mention of the "documented" ones is a negative -- "they don't get to vote."

I get outraged at this practice, but I repress it with sarcasm. Willie Horton (correction -- Willie SUTTON. I can't believe no one called me on this one!) was no different than any other bank customer, he was just forced by economic necessity to make "undocumented" withdrawals.

A few years ago, Cambridge, Massachusetts wanted to grant the right to vote in local elections to aliens. The leader of the movement, as I recall, was a woman who moved to the United States from Iran after the fall of the Shah. She had lived in the United States for over 20 years at that point, was married and had children. She wanted to vote in the elections for Cambridge's government and school board, but she also refused to give up her Iranian citizenship -- she said that she wanted to some day return to Iran, after the mullahs fell.

That, in a nutshell, summed up precisely why I disagreed with her. Voting is part and parcel of citizenship, and the United States has one of the least cumbersome processes for becoming a naturalized citizen. (This is not to say that it's easy, but it's a lot worse in other places.) But it's still a huge step, and a proclamation that one wishes to fully and completely tie one's self -- and one's descendants -- irrevocably to that nation. It's an investment, and by restricting the vote to citizens, you force people to keep in mind (in theory, at least) that they -- and their children -- will have to live with the consequences of their decisions at the polls.

Anyway, I welcome the Globe's venture into sanity on the illegal immigration issue. Unfortunately, I fear that this will be as far as they go.


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I believe this is one conce... (Below threshold)
jpm100:

I believe this is one concession to appear sane which isn't much of a concession at all.

I would have to see what their view on 'path to citizenship' for illegals. If its 5 years of residence, then their stand is fluff.

blah blah blah Massachusett... (Below threshold)
astigafa:

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[wasted electrons]... (Below threshold)
epador:

[wasted electrons]

-----astigafa (? ghetto for 'I's stink awful"?

Or perhaps "A silly twisted... (Below threshold)
epador:

Or perhaps "A silly twisted gullible's acronym for anonymity" ?

Certainly not a band that pre-dated Grendle's Lair.

Well, at THIS point they do... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

Well, at THIS point they don't think they should vote. But give the Globe a couple of years (if that) and they will come up with some caveats I'm sure.

Well, if you give illegal a... (Below threshold)
engineer:

Well, if you give illegal aliens driver's licenses, then they'll need the right to vote, because laws may be passed that effect that license (speed limits, etc). We can't have laws being passed that they don't have a representative vote on.

And if there is any tax on the driver's license...well that's taxation without representation!

The citizenship part, well that's just a bunch of crap anyways. Better to be globally minded and citizens of the world!

I actually feel very sorry ... (Below threshold)

I actually feel very sorry for the poor immigrants from South America who mow lawns for the wealthy White folks in my neighborhood, and will often bring them cold drinks on warm days. These poor immigrants work very hard for very little money, often sleep on the floor in a crowded apartment, but mow the lawns of wealthy White folks who think they're too good to mow their own lawns. My own grandmother was once a servant for a wealthy family, so I understand the role of class and caste in our society.

As hard as these immigrants work, doing hard manual labor for the White Man, they are always insulted in some racial post like this. Maybe the White Man is the Devil afterall.

As a long-time resident of ... (Below threshold)

As a long-time resident of Massachusetts, I am disgusted by the Globe's call to allow illegals the ability to obtain a driver's license and in-state tuition. They should focus on sending the illegals home...to their own country.

Paul H:I actually... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

Paul H:
I actually feel very sorry for the poor immigrants from South America who mow lawns for the wealthy White folks in my neighborhood

While you seem to lament how awful their life is, they apparently think that they're better off than from where they came; otherwise, they wouldn't be here. How noble it must make you must feel as you look down on their worthless little existence.

ut mow the lawns of wealthy White folks who think they're too good to mow their own lawns.

Yes, if only your neighbors didn't 'think they're too good to mow their own lawns' and did actually mow their own lawns, then the people for whom you're feeling sorry for would have no work what so ever.

Spare these hard working people your pity. Your neighbors, who you deride, are doing much more for them by hiring them than you are by bringing them a cold drink.

Democrats often use the ter... (Below threshold)
drjohn:

Democrats often use the term "slippery slope" for opposing partial death abortions.

Voting for illegals is but a brief ride down that slope.

It's hard to wrap one's head around illegals demonstrating for more rights in this country.

Break the law, get a reward. The same principle with which one raises children.

I reiterate: Democrats are incomprehensibly stupid.

"Spare these hard workin... (Below threshold)
drjohn:

"Spare these hard working people your pity. Your neighbors, who you deride, are doing much more for them by hiring them than you are by bringing them a cold drink."

And they are breaking the law.

And enticing further illegal activity.

Are they actually saying on... (Below threshold)
Bob:

Are they actually saying only citizens should vote or do they think that those legally in the US (I.e., documented aliens) should also be allowed to vote? My guess is that most criminals - citizens or aliens - don't really care that much about voting, although I note the Dems in Florida, Iowa and elsewhere, are doing all they can to restore the voting rights of convicted felons. At least they know their base.

I have no problem with an i... (Below threshold)
Corky Boyd:

I have no problem with an illegal alien having a driver's license or even a national ID, just so it idicates his or her citizenship status. What is lost on most Republicans is this is NOT about driving or a national ID.

It IS about the right to vote. Under Motor Voter, anyone with a driver's license may vote. How's that for enabling 12,000,000 new Democrat voters!

"It's a wonderful feeling, ... (Below threshold)
mojo:

"It's a wonderful feeling, being alone in a bank at night."
-- Willie Sutton

Paul Hooson:"My own ... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

Paul Hooson:
"My own grandmother was once a servant for a wealthy family, so I understand the role of class and caste in our society."

Do you Paul? Do you really? Are you ashamed of your grandmother because she was a servant? Are you angry at the "wealthy family" who forced upon her the indignity of hiring her? What is it you understand?

Do you Paul? Do you real... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

Do you Paul? Do you really? Are you ashamed of your grandmother because she was a servant? Are you angry at the "wealthy family" who forced upon her the indignity of hiring her? What is it you understand?

The EvilWhitePeople(TM) that hired her should have instead given her pity and a cold drink... that would have made them much better people by someone's standards.

I ask the anti-illegal crow... (Below threshold)
Jardinero1:

I ask the anti-illegal crowd how exactly did you "earn" your legal residency and/or citizenship? I guess you most of you were born here. What could be more absurd than giving someone special rights and priviledges just because they were born at Point A instead of Point B. It's stupid really. I have heard it's called the lucky sperm club.

I say everyone should have to apply for and earn their residency and citizenship regardless of whether they were come from lucky sperm or not.

I ask the anti-illegal c... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

I ask the anti-illegal crowd how exactly did you "earn" your legal residency and/or citizenship? I guess you most of you were born here. What could be more absurd than giving someone special rights and priviledges just because they were born at Point A instead of Point B. It's stupid really. I have heard it's called the lucky sperm club.
I say everyone should have to apply for and earn their residency and citizenship regardless of whether they were come from lucky sperm or not.

Well, my parents had to do lots of things to earn their status...it took them five years to accomplish. Paperwork, citizenship courses, didn't have to take language fortunately (they were British). They were quite proud of the first year after their naturalization to go into the voting booth and make their voice known.

And, it's not absurd to say if you are born here, you are granted the right to call yourself American. Hence, the term "birthright", backed up by the Constitution, and almost every country has similar legislation staying the same thing.

What you propose is rather Spartan-esque (or Heinlein-esque, if you want to use S.T. as your reference). And what happens if those born here fail your tests? Do we export them? And where do we export them to? Are we going to have millions of Merkin Nassiris floating around?

You illustrate my point. Y... (Below threshold)
Jardinero1:

You illustrate my point. Your parents earned their citizenship. What did you do to get yours; probably the same as me: nothing. You are just lucky sperm. My own ancestors did nothing to become citizens. They arrived at a time when all you had to do was fall off the boat. It wasn't until the 1920's that immigration was restricted in this country. Prior to that all you had to do was get here and you could stay. Why should it be any harder for anyone now? Why should it be so easy for you and me?




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