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Imus Took the Rap the Rappers are Spared

Don Imus made some nasty racist comments (which anyone who listens to him knows is nothing new) and got suspended by NBC for two weeks. Michelle Malkin takes a look at some of the rap songs topping the charts, and to say they are much worse than the recent Imus comments would be the understatement of the year. If you are offended by the words "ho" and "bitch," you better not follow this link. I knew there was a lot of that language and attitude in rap, but was surprised at just how pervasive and in your face it is. Where are the Reverends Sharpton and Jackson on this stuff? It is reaching a much bigger audience than Don Imus does. But since white liberals are not the ones listening to urban radio, I guess it doesn't count. The real reason is that these rap stars would not be intimidated by Al Sharpton to come groveling and begging his forgiveness.

Update: Snoop Dog doesn't see much comparison between what Imus said about women who had achieved something and the "ho's" that he criticizes.

"It's a completely different scenario," said Snoop, barking over the phone from a hotel room in L.A. "[Rappers] are not talking about no collegiate basketball girls who have made it to the next level in education and sports. We're talking about ho's that's in the 'hood that ain't doing sh--, that's trying to get a n---a for his money. These are two separate things. First of all, we ain't no old-ass white men that sit up on MSNBC [the cable network home to Imus] going hard on black girls. We are rappers that have these songs coming from our minds and our souls that are relevant to what we feel. I will not let them mutha-----as say we in the same league as him."


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Comments (108)

Actually the reason that th... (Below threshold)

Actually the reason that these "so-called" stars are not slammed by those like Sharpton has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Sharpton cannot intimidate them.

It has everything to do with the fact that most of these "stars" have the same skin pigmentation as Mr. Sharpton.

/SARCASM
I mean, we all know that those with a higher melanin levels in their skin can NEVER be racist.
SARCASM/

The meme that has been deve... (Below threshold)
superdestroyer:

The meme that has been developed to protect the rappers and black comedians is that they are either using racist and bigoted terms in a generic sense or that they are attacking powerful people. the meme now claims that Imus was attacking defenseless. However, that logic has never stopped virtually every black sports writer from making fun of Duke University's mens basketball team for having too many white players or having white players that everyone loves to hate.

Least you forget - these ra... (Below threshold)
JAT:

Least you forget - these rappers are making money for the sisters and brothers - it is in your face acceptable when there is money to be made.

Perhaps the excuse, "I was ... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

Perhaps the excuse, "I was making a joke," after making bigoted remarks won't be employed so easily in the future.

I'll believe their concern ... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

I'll believe their concern about Imus' speech when they start criticising the rap and hiphop 'artists' for their own contributions to the pervasive sewage that's become popular 'black' culture.

JAT, they may be making mon... (Below threshold)

JAT, they may be making money, but I don't know how much of it they're spreading around the neighborhood.

It's the soft bigotry of lo... (Below threshold)
Actual:

It's the soft bigotry of lowered expectations.

You don't expect much from rappers and you don't get much.

You expect more from a radio host.

On a personal note, I've never liked Mr. Imus

The rappers angle is being ... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

The rappers angle is being played up but Imus's sin is acknowledging Race in the context of Sports. As crude and racist as his quip was, pretending racial differences don't exist is the #1 unwritten code of sports coverage. It's so taboo, that acknowledging the taboo is itself taboo. And from the mouth of a white man it's Sirens and Flashing Lights. If Jimmy the Greek and Paul Hornung can get fired for differentiating the black atheletes' superiority on the field, I'd guess there will be some more meetings about Imus's future prospects even while he's on "vacation".
And leave it to the Fox Radio Wieners to beat this horse to death. Non-stop "outrage" from Kilmeade and Gibson, especially. The other networks (Ingraham, etc) were more thoughtful.

BryanD...agreed it is real ... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

BryanD...agreed it is real taboo, in sports..Is it always a coincidence that the top 30 flankers in the NFL or the top 60 sprinters in the world are black? As for the conservative reproach about liberals ignoring the misogynist and rascist lyrics of rap music. In the main, you are probably right, except for Tipper Gore's campaign in 95.

bryanDIf Jimmy th... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

bryanD
If Jimmy the Greek and Paul Hornung can get fired for differentiating the black atheletes' superiority on the field

Wasn't also Limbaugh canned from his sports broadcasting gig for remarking that the media was going easy on McNair because of the color of his skin ? There's just some observations you aren't allowed to make unless you have the correct skin color.

Bad poetry recited to recor... (Below threshold)

Bad poetry recited to records played incorrectly is not music. How could anyone complain about the music rappers turn out when they've never done any such thing?

Imus was referring to speci... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Imus was referring to specific individuals - the members of the Rutgers basketball team - with his racial slurs. That's the difference between what he did and what rappers do.

That's unacceptable, except in the conservative world of Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin where racist bigots have their apologists standing ready to stand up for the likes of Imus.

Also, remember that NBC and... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Also, remember that NBC and CBS both have record labels in their family portfolios. And they make millions off of rappers.
I am not shocked at the double standard of Sharpton and others. Any outrage I had at their BS burned out in the 80s.
But, the corporations, to suspend someone for racist stupidity (and seriously, Imus and his sidekick Bernie have been doing this schtick for ages, so who is shocked) with one hand and pretending to moral superiority while collecting the money from thug-rap with the other... that is the real bull-sh!t.

Lee,Malkin isn't def... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Lee,
Malkin isn't defending Imus. She's taking the outrage pimps to task for how selective their outrage is.
Which do you think is more harmful to society, an old racist fool like Don Imus, or an entire music industry (and supporting fashion lines!) that glorifies dehumanizing behavior? It's right to call Imus on the carpet... now when do more people take the next step and say no more to other racists?

Steve Crickmore, _mike _,</... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

Steve Crickmore, _mike _,

If you've never checked out the Sports archives at isteve.com, you'll definitely enjoy them. From why the team with the most white second stringers is likely to win, to golf course design, to the Limbaugh controversy. Great stuff. Great site.

http://isteve.com/

Get over it already. Admit... (Below threshold)
moseby:

Get over it already. Admit it. It was a funny comment! I still laff and laff at it and I'll betcha I'm in a big club. Eff sharpton and all the rest of those people for infringing on the Iman's freedom of speech. And leave the rappers/hip-hoppers alone too.

SCSI - By defending Imus as... (Below threshold)
Lee:

SCSI - By defending Imus as being "not as bad (or just as bad) as rappers" Lorie and Malkin are indeed defending what Imus said. That's inexcusable in my book - and just as bad as what Imus did.

Lorie wrote: "But since white liberals are not the ones listening to urban radio, I guess it doesn't count", suggesting that white liberals and "political correctness" are behind the push to make Imus accountable.

Imus broadcast a racial slur against specific individuals. The fact that conservative Republicans would come to his defense is obscene. The fact that her referred to these accomplished women athletes as whores, and conservative women bloggers are defending him, speaks volumes as well.

The Residen Moron, Lee, whi... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

The Residen Moron, Lee, whined:

Imus broadcast a racial slur against specific individuals. The fact that conservative Republicans would come to his defense is obscene. The fact that her referred to these accomplished women athletes as whores, and conservative women bloggers are defending him, speaks volumes as well.

Are you so dense that you're unable to distinguish between pointing out the lack of consistency in the 'outrage' and defending the remarks as appropriate ? From your remarks, it would certainly appear so.

Lee: So, when the ... (Below threshold)
Lurking Observer:

Lee:

So, when the Left suggests that Communism isn't as bad as, say, Nazism, is the Left defending Communism?

If I say that Jeffrey Dahmer was worse than John Wayne Gacy, am I somehow defending Gacy?

What Don Imus said was wrong and outrageous. What rappers rap about is even more wrong and outrageous. You going to now claim that I'm defending Don Imus?

And are you really about to claim that calling all women "ho's" is somehow less offensive than calling just one woman a "ho"?

Well intended, Lee, but ill... (Below threshold)
Ben:

Well intended, Lee, but illogical.

A racial slur, by definition, is targeted at an entire ethnic group, even if the proximate victim is a singular individual. Hence it is not different, whether you target the group as a whole or the individual.

The slur, specifically, was not "whore" it was "ho", a deliberate use and mockery of the common gangsta/hood speech and therefore targetted at those who use that speech, and at the same time, associating the team with people who use that speech- guilt by association, which is the hallmark of racism.

For example, supposing we said "Lee is a greasy wop". It is only a slur if it is also understood that the comment means that "wops are greasy"- a slander on an entire ethnic group, not an individual.

If it had been specifically targetted, Imus would have said "whores with bad hair styles"- and in such case it would have been crude and vile, but not racist. His use of a cultural style implicitly villified the entire culture, thus making it a racist. So you see, you simply cannot have a racist slur that is targetted solely at an individual or individuals. By its very existence, it is broadly targetted.

Ben

The only confusion in my mi... (Below threshold)
Faith+1:

The only confusion in my mind about the whole Imus thing is why it took this long to fire him. Not only is this incident alone worth firing him but so have at least a dozen other incidents in the past 20 years, but, because he was a liberal supporter he's been given a pass until now. He just couldn't be ignored on this issue with his racist comments and have it swept under the rug. Had he called Condi Rice a "nappy head ho" and a "wanna-be jigga-bo" you can bet he would be the hero of the Leftist and Lee would be defending his right to free speech.

The truth is he is a racist and should be fired. What rappers do or not do is a separate issue and where I disagree with Malkin is that by somehow trying to join the issues the real problem is going to get buried.

So according to Lee, stereo... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

So according to Lee, stereotyping and denigrating a generic, nameless group with racist and sexist slurs, like rappers do, is OK. But when talking about actual individuals, it's bad.

I would say that both are bad and both should be rightly condemned for their actions. If Imus gets fired than so be it, there is no protection of free speech when it comes to your job. But for Sharpton and Jackson to get on their soapbox and deride Imus while not even attempting to do the same with rappers is hypocrisy defined.

Lurking Observer: "And a... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Lurking Observer: "And are you really about to claim that calling all women "ho's" is somehow less offensive than calling just one woman a "ho"?"

Absolutely, calling these specific individuals "whores" is worse, yes. No question -- in my mind - conservative seem to differ with me on this point, and I find that amazing.

Look - Here is the Rutger's Women Basketball team roster:

ADAMS, KATIE G Jr. 5-10 Ogden/Ogden, UT

AJAVON, MATEE G Jr. 5-8 Malcolm X Shabazz/Newark, NJ

CARSON, ESSENCE F/G Jr. 6-0 Rosa Parks(Eastside H.S.)/Paterson, NJ

JERNIGAN, DEE DEE G Fr. 5-11 East Chicago/East Chicago, IN

JUNAID, RASHIDAT C Fr. 6-4 Camden Catholic/Chesilhurst, N.J

MCCURDY, MYIA F Fr. 6-1 Winton Woods/Cincinnati, OH

PRINCE, EPIPHANNY G Fr. 5-9 Murry Bergtraum/Brooklyn, NY

RAY, JUDITH BRITTANY G Fr. 5-9 Aquinas/Bronx, NY

VAUGHN, KIA C So. 6-4 St. Michael's Academy/Bronx, NY

ZURICH, HEATHER F So. 6-1 Pascack Valley/Montvale, NJ

Calling those individual "whores" is unacceptable. Why would anyone decent America come to Imus' defense on this?

"If I say that Jeffrey Dahmer was worse than John Wayne Gacy, am I somehow defending Gacy?

In a sense, yes -- you're saying Dahmer "isn't as bad" as Gacy. In this case what Imus did is far worse than what rappers do -- these talented athletes won a national championship and a fellow American referred to them as "whores" simply because they are black. If this had been an all-white team Imus would not have made any derogatory statements.

Quit defending what he did as being less offensive then the offense YOU receive listening to black rappers. It isn't about you, or Lorie, or Michelle -- it's about the specific women listed above who were called "whores" by a national radio personality.

related (<a href="http://ww... (Below threshold)
Lee:

related (NPR) - Three Advertisers Drop Support for Imus

Talk show host Don Imus, suspended for racially charged remarks, now faces problems with advertisers. Procter & Gamble, Staples and Bigelow Tea say they no longer want their ads on Imus in the Morning.


these talented athletes ... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

these talented athletes won a national championship

FYI, they got crushed by Tennessee in the ncaa championship game.

and a fellow American referred to them as "whores" simply because they are black.

Actually there are some white girls on the team as well.

If this had been an all-white team Imus would not have made any derogatory statements.

That's just your opinion. I would expect otherwise though, Imus has a history of saying outrageous things about everyone. It just wouldn't have made the headlines because it wouldn't have been defined as racist.

Quit defending what he did as being less offensive then the offense YOU receive listening to black rappers.

Again, that's just your opinion. I find both equally degrading, but I don't listen to Imus and I do listen to some rap music.

it's about the specific women listed above who were called "whores" by a national radio personality.

No it's not, if he had just called them whores the media hoopla surrounding that comment would be negligible. It's the "nappy-headed" in conjunction with "ho's" that's created this firestorm.

And if it is only about the women you listed would also then deride both Sharpton and Jackson for their hysteria about this incident?

First: Proof that Lee canno... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

First: Proof that Lee cannot read and comprehend:
The Question:

"If I say that Jeffrey Dahmer was worse than John Wayne Gacy, am I somehow defending Gacy?

Lee's answer:

In a sense, yes -- you're saying Dahmer "isn't as bad" as Gacy.

NO, NO, NO! He is saying just the opposite. He is saying Dahmer is worse. It is too early in the morning to be drunk Lee.

This also explains your inability to distinguish criticism of rap music, using Imus as a springboard to do so, is not the same as defending Imus.

One last try... Imus is wrong. Rappers like Mims are wrong. If you can go on a crusade about Imus, why not go after Mims while you're at it?

Now, go find where Malkin has said Imus isn't a wrong headed racist. Just one link where she says Imus is OK.
You won't. She didn't.

Lee, Rutgers came ... (Below threshold)
superdestroyer:

Lee,

Rutgers came in second place, losing to Tennessee who Imus did not insult. One of the aspects of Rutgers is that it has one of the few successful black head coaches who just happens to recruit black women exclusively. Yet, during the Rutgers press conference, coach C. Vivian Stringer played up the two white bench warmer who did not even play against Tennesse and down played her five black high school all-american freshmen. Also, Coach Stringer both violated federal regulations when she discussed her players grades and exaggerated by claiming that they had 4.0 when Rutgers does not have any Academic All-Americans and when the women's team have a 50% graduation rate in its last senior class.

lee you are so effing intel... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

lee you are so effing intellectually dishonest it blows my mind!! The very first thing Malkin write is that she DOES NOT defend Imus, does not agree with him. She wrote this specifically so idiot BDS suffering moonbats like yourself wouldnt go around claiming that she is defending Imus, yet you do it anyway. You get more and more pathetic every day. Did you even read what Malkin wrote?!!

"Let's stipulate: I have no love for Don Imus, Al Sharpton, or Jesse Jackson. I repeat: A pox on all their race-baiting houses...I agree with the athletes that Imus's misogynist mockery was "deplorable, despicable and unconscionable." And as I noted on Fox News's O'Reilly Factor this week, I believe top public officials and journalists who have appeared on Imus's show should take responsibility for enabling Imus--and should disavow his longstanding invective."

Yeah, sounds like she is defending him to me lee! You are seriously ridiculous, can you not read for god's sake?!?! Cut the shit asshole, try playing it straight for once. And further, if you think that all the rap music out there doesn't call out SPECIFIC persons (as you are basing your whole argument on) to call ho's, bitches and niggas, then you are a blind fool. There are thousands of rap songs that do just that. Ben's comments are right on the money, unfortunately they are also over your head. You're pathetic.

lee: "If this had been an a... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

lee: "If this had been an all-white team Imus would not have made any derogatory statements."

You're exactly right, because if he had called an all white team "whores", nobody would have found it derogatory, including you.

I remain deeply sorry that ... (Below threshold)

I remain deeply sorry that Don Imus, who is a great fellow, and by no means part of any racism problem amomg radio broadcasters remains a target by the likes of Al Sharpton, a political cockroach who profits by exploiting sheer nonsense into a hysteria meant to profit his own radio, political or financial empire.

Where is Al Sharpton when some radio broadcasters abuse the issue of border security to make broadly racist attacks on all Hispanics in general? Where is Sharpton when far more powerful radio figures actually hold deeply racist and White supremacy views? Don Imus is only the 12th most popular broadcaster on radio, and hardly the most powerful, or by any means a legitimate racist by any genuine stretch of the imagination. Imus is weak enough of a figure that the likes of Sharpton won't go after some of the more irresponsible language and thoughts sometimes coming from more powerful figures like Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter or others.

But on the other hand, I'm a strong defender of freedom of speech where I'll defend the right of muscians, comics, even Larry Flynt or others to be very fuuny or very offensive if they choose to be, if it is meant in fun, not from a geniune viewpoint of promoting or inciting some hate or violence. Often it is Sharpton who has incited bad feelings, such as when he incited the Crown Heights Riot when he referred to Jews in a derogatory manner as "Diamond merchants" a few years ago. Even Jesse Jackson admits to spitting into the food of White customers when he was an young employee of a restaurant, or incited an ethnic attack on Jewish persons in NYC by calling the city, "Hymietown". Neither Sharpton or Jackson are honest or impartial players in this Don Imus situation that they are both fueling.

But I still have no problems with shock humor, or offensive music as long as there is no violent intent. When I was the lead singer of the highly controversial punk rock band, The Inputs, back in the late 70's to early 80's, I deliberately wrote material to be very offensive simply for laughs. But we had a lot of problems with this including twice being banned by all Portland nightclubs because of claimed onstage obscenity and other complaints. And some of our shows resulted in very bad incidents including a near fatal stabbing incident, a fire being set by an audience member and a riot where windows and furniture was broken. When we played a show, it literally brought down the house we played in. I can understand where shock jocks like Don Imus, Howard Stern, The Greaseman and others want to be outrageous simply for laughs, but sometimes it is very easy to cross some public line for decency or taste. As a former entertainer, who wanted to follow the path of my mother, a one-time former stage actress, you want to be liked by the public and establish your own style, but you can always misjudge the public taste if you choose some form of shock humor as your form of entertainment style rather than a more mainstream entertainer style.

It is very easy for some in rock, rap, comedy, or on the radio airwaves to cross a line sometimes by accident, misjudging what you think the public will accept. Why someone like a Don Imus, who is sort of like a watered-down Howard Stern for old men is singled out in this controversary is beyond me. Far worst personalties can be found with great ease.

lee is comfortable ascribin... (Below threshold)

lee is comfortable ascribing the term "racist" and "bigot" to a person without regard for the person's animus, when animus is an essential component of the term. As long as the recipient of the statement considers the statement racist or bigoted, the speaker is guilty. This is, of course, the height of intellectual dishonesty and facilitates the use of the pejorative "racist" to suit the political goals of the left and minority power brokers.

It is particularly so in this case, when the accusation of "racism" comes from two guys with an ugly history of anti-Semitism between them.

As one who has listened to Imus for over 15 years, I also dispute that he wouldn't have had some other choice insults for a team of white athletes who had their heads handed to them in a national championship.

This morning, Imus said tha... (Below threshold)
drjohn:

This morning, Imus said that his remark wasn't some "right wing racist smear."

Every time that idiot opens his mouth I detest him more and more. I don't know how many times he has repeated "I'm a good person" but he's becoming Stuart Smalley. He is an arrogant, pompous ass who routinely feels compelled to deride everyone as liars or morons or something equally kind. It's made worse by the obsequious behavior of politicians who line up to be on his show. The ranch is used as a recrimination offset by Imus to validate his rantings. He sits there in his bleached 70's hairdo with that stupid cowboy hat on his head and acts as the morality hangin' judge.

Having seen the kind of vile tripe heaped upon Malkin, it's offensive that he portray the right as having sole domain over racism.

Lee said:SCSI -... (Below threshold)
drjohn:

Lee said:

SCSI - By defending Imus as being "not as bad (or just as bad) as rappers" Lorie and Malkin are indeed defending what Imus said. That's inexcusable in my book - and just as bad as what Imus did.

Michelle said:

Let's also stipulate: The Rutgers women's basketball team didn't deserve to be disrespected as "nappy-headed hos." No woman deserves that. I agree with the athletes that Imus's misogynist mockery was "deplorable, despicable and unconscionable."

Lee

You are a lying liberal. But I repeat myself.

No wonder lee is defending ... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

No wonder lee is defending rap lyrics calling women whores and bitches, constantly raping about niggas and murdering people. And lee, it is by your own logic that you are indeed defending all of that. And now I know why:

"Timbaland To Host Fundraiser For Hillary Clinton"

http://www.rapbasement.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2513&Itemid=35

And from some of his lyrics I can understand the association!

"Timbaland aint gonna run mowhere baby,
Timbaland got private planes"

"I'm Rich I Can Pay To Have You Six Feet Deep"

What I see in this thread i... (Below threshold)
Redleg:

What I see in this thread is an opportunity for you dumb-ass conservative losers to attack one of your favorite Black villains.

I see it as an opportunity to attack other swine, who even worse than Imus, have made statements on the public airwaves that are despicable and slanderous. I mean the Ann Coulters, Michael Savages, Ruch Limbaughs, and their ilk.

Now it's your turn to attack me for not mentioning Michael Moore or Rosie O'Donnell. My my, aren't we all biased?

Summary for the record:... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

Summary for the record:

LeeLogic(TM):
PersonA condemns detestable ActA.
PersonB questions why PersonA refuses to also condemn equivalently detestable ActB.

Conclusion using LeeLogic(TM), PersonB is defending ActA.

Spot on Mike. And redleg, y... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

Spot on Mike. And redleg, you are just as despicable as lee. Not one person here has defended imus (except by LeeLogic™) in fact quite the opposite. But since we expect others, i.e. rappers, to be held to the same standard that white males are, we are somehow simply "attacking our favorite black villain". You're pathetic as well.

LeeLogic(TM):... (Below threshold)
Lee:

LeeLogic(TM):
PersonA condemns detestable ActA.
PersonB questions why PersonA refuses to also condemn equivalently detestable ActB.

Nice try, but you booted it. What I condemned was the defense of Imus by those who say his words "aren't as bad" as what black rappers say. Your dishonesty in defense of a racist, sexist asshole is duly noted, underscoreMIKEunderscore, and not surprising in the least.

Your politics -- your hatred of liberal and "political correctness" -- blinds you from doing the right thing in this instance, namely standing up and defending decent Americans were were called "whores" by a national radio personality.

This conservative sickness is dragging our country down....

It's funny Lee. No matter ... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

It's funny Lee. No matter how you may try to obfuscate the matter. You repeatedly make a fool of yourself.

The Resident Moron, Lee, whined:
Your dishonesty in defense of a racist

Quote me where I defended Imus.

"No wonder lee is defend... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"No wonder lee is defending rap lyrics calling women whores and bitches, constantly raping about niggas and murdering people. And lee, it is by your own logic that you are indeed defending all of that."

I think rap music is despicable, and I didn't "defend it". Show me where I did you liar...

I merely noted that Lorie and Malkin and the rest of you conservative clowns were motivated to condemn rap music only when your were trying to come to the defense of a scumball racist, bigot radio personality - that's all.

Rap music is irrelevant to the fact that Don Imus called the talented women on the Rutger's basketball team "whores". Bigots like you raise the issue of rap music because you can't seee past the fact that these women are black - and somehow - in your pointed little heads - that makes what Imus said about these specific athletes (see list above) less offensive then some idiot rapper spewing his own style of sexism?

Tell me again about how you guys aren't racist... you defend the white bigot clown by bringing up your hatred of black culture and black music, professing it's more offensive (to YOU - as if YOU matter in this instance) than Imus calling these specific basketball players "whores".

Thats just plain sick.

It says a lot about the rig... (Below threshold)

It says a lot about the right that I can come over here, expect to see a defense of stupid and racist comment, and not at all be disappointed.

It says a lot about the lef... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

It says a lot about the lefty trolls that we expect them to have no reading comprehension skills. And viola! We are again not disappointed.

You are truly an idiot lee.... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

You are truly an idiot lee. You defend rap music by your own ridiculous logic. Lets look at your reply to this question:

"If I say that Jeffrey Dahmer was worse than John Wayne Gacy, am I somehow defending Gacy?"

and you say:

"In a sense, yes -- you're saying Dahmer "isn't as bad" as Gacy."

We'll look past your obvious lack of reading comprehension shown in your answer for the sake of the debate.
Then you say:

"Absolutely, calling these specific individuals "whores" is worse, (than calling all women whores) yes. No question -- in my mind"

Therefore, by YOUR OWN LOGIC, you are defending rap music calling all women whores, because you are saying that it is not as bad as calling specific individuals whores. You can't make this shit up! You said it lee, you yourself, so by your own logic you are applying to everyone else, you are defending rappers calling all women whores. Of course we all know that what you liberals apply to others you don't apply to yourselves. If lurking observer is defending Gacy because he says that Dahmer is worse, then how exactly are you not defending rappers calling all women whores by saying that Imus calling specific women whores is worse? You can't have it both ways lee, either your logic is fucked, or you are defending women haters.

And once again, can you point to ONE instance where anyone here has defended Imus? Not one person has and exactly the opposite has been demonstrated by every person here you are labeling a bigot including myself. I think Imus is a dirtbag and the things he said are wrong, so don't for one fucking second say I am defending him because I think that the shit that rappers say on a daily basis and win awards for is worse because they reach a larger audience and greatly affect the behaviour and thoughts of our children. You are a truly despicable person lee. You are just plain sick.

Why do they call it 'rap'?<... (Below threshold)

Why do they call it 'rap'?

Because the 'C' is silent!

Xanthippas, point to ONE de... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

Xanthippas, point to ONE defense of Imus' comments. Whats that? You can't? Don't worry, neither can lee but he continues to spout ridiculous bullshit.

So we are now equating Imus... (Below threshold)
Whitney Morehood:

So we are now equating Imus with hip-hop artists in their responsibilities to the listening public.

Wrong.

If Imus sets himself up as a psuedo-journalist (and that's being nice) he automatically brings himself an entire list of responsibilities to the table. Hip-hop artists are strictly entertainers, don't expect support from journalists or political elites, and don't have a plurality of airwave time to rant their personal thoughts. Imus is wrong, and anyone who defends him and his comments and/or equates them with music artists are being intellectually dishonest and negate a logical basis for comparison.

I know it's easy for your inner racist to jump to that conclusion, but be an honest human being with yourself first.

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D-Hoggs:

"Hip-hop artists...don't have a plurality of airwave time to rant their personal thoughts."

Are you fucking kidding me whitney?!?! Hip Hop music reaches a FAAAAAR bigger audience then Imus does!! And they win Grammy Awards continuously for their, bitch, ho, nigga, murder lyrics. What do you think America's youth are listening too and being influenced more by, rap music or Imus?! I would venture to guess that most people under 30 had no idea who Imus was until this story. The fact that you think Imus is more influential on our culture than all the rappers out there is very telling of your intelligence.

Hoggs, - rap music is irrel... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Hoggs, - rap music is irrelevant to the discussion about what Imus said -- unless you want to minimize what Imus said as being less offensive then rap - which is precisely the point Lorie made in this post - that rap music is worse than what Imus did.

Lorie: Michelle Malkin takes a look at some of the rap songs topping the charts, and to say they are much worse than the recent Imus comments would be the understatement of the year."

And you apparently agree.

Calling these women whores is less offensive to conservatives like yourself for very obvious reasons, Hoggs. When a black rapper uses derogatory terms about black women in general you're greatly offended? But when Imus refers to these specific black athletes as whores you find it less offensive?

Sick.

whitney, if hip hop artists... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

whitney, if hip hop artists are "strictly entertainers" then please answer me this, why is Timbaland running fundraisers for Hillary? Why is Kanye West involving himself in politics and saying things such as, ""George Bush doesn't care about black people!"? I know that's entertainment for you and the rest of the BDS crowd. If they are strictly entertainers and not to be held responsible for things they say, why is there even such a thing as the Hip Hop Summit Action Network whose mission "is dedicated to harnessing the cultural relevance of Hip-Hop music to serve as a catalyst for education advocacy and other societal concerns fundamental to the empowerment of youth.", and whose chairman is Russell Simmons, just about THE biggest name in Hip-Hop and involved with just about EVERY big time artist?!!!

http://www.hiphopsummitactionnetwork.org/Content/Main.aspx?pageId=1

lee you are avoiding the TR... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

lee you are avoiding the TRUE issue at hand which is your complete and total HYPOCRISY. Apply your own logic to yourself and answer my previous question:

"If lurking observer is defending Gacy because he says that Dahmer is worse, (which is what you said) then how exactly are you not defending rappers calling all women whores by saying that Imus calling specific women whores is worse? You can't have it both ways lee, either your logic is fucked, or you are defending women haters."

Let me ask you something le... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

Let me ask you something lee, which is more offensive to you: me saying that you, pelosi and reid are fucking moron liberal assholes, or me saying that every registered democrat in the world is a fucking moron liberal asshole?

D-Hoggs. Artists ... (Below threshold)
Whitney Morehood:

D-Hoggs.

Artists have to have people PAY to listen to their stuff. Even if their substance gets on public airwaves (which it doesn't) it is because they and/or their agents have paid to get it on there. Imus gets hours of free airtime broadcasted on radio and cable daily. Big difference.

Timbaland is not spouting his personal viewpoints daily on a major network and asking public servants to defend him. Kanye West slipped his in when he wasn't supposed to and was summarily edited by the network he slipped it into. Artists are also free to congregate for any cause they want, but they are still not broadcasted on public airwaves.

Your lack of logic is astounding. But thank you for giving me examples I can teach to my students in my lecture today: Intellectual dishonesty at its finest.

"lee you are avoiding th... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"lee you are avoiding the TRUE issue at hand which is your complete and total HYPOCRISY."

Naw, Hoggs - you have to put the discussion into context.

If Lorie had posted a story about rap music, and I had suggested that rap music is less offensive than what Imus did, in that context you would be correct -- in that specific context I would be defending rap music so some extent.

...but the context we have here is the opposite - specifically -- the suggestion that rap music is worse than what Imus did.

I happen to disgree with Lorie's specific suggestion to that effect in the specific context of a discussion centering on Lorie's assertion that rap music is worse that what Imus did my disagreement with her argument isn't a defense of rappers, it's a condemnation of Imus and Lorie and you and the other conservatives who are trying to "fuzz up" the Imus story by suggesting what he did wasn't as bad as rap music.

I know you probably won't understand the difference (or at least you won't admit it if you do) but I've tried to dumb it down for you as much as I possible could. If you don't see the difference I'm sorry that I've failed to get my point across to you - but me saying Lorie was wrong for suggesting that Imus is less offensive than rap music is not a defense of rappers in the same sense that Lorie is defending Imus.

If Lorie hadn't mentioned Imus it would be a different story - but she did - and defended what he said as being less offensive than mainstream black culture. My disagreement with her on that point is not a defense of rap music.

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drjohn:

Rap music is irrelevant to the fact that Don Imus called the talented women on the Rutger's basketball team "whores". Bigots like you raise the issue of rap music because you can't seee past the fact that these women are black - and somehow - in your pointed little heads - that makes what Imus said about these specific athletes (see list above) less offensive then some idiot rapper spewing his own style of sexism?

Two of the players are white, Lee. Current events was not a major for you, was it?

Some of us have objected to rap lyrics for a very long time. Imus' comments aren't defensible, but they do pale in contrast to those of rap artists. Sharpton's point was about the use of the "airwaves" for this type of language. I agree, but only if the playing field is level.

whitney, you are truly blin... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

whitney, you are truly blind to what goes on in American culutre aren't you. Peopple have to pay to hear artists voices? Are you retarded? Have you never heard of a little thing called the internet? I believe you are on it right now. You Tube? The frigging radio?! You don't think hip hop music, with all of it's "hos" and "niggas" isn't broadcast on public radio?!?! Artists views aren't broadcast on the radio?!?! Listen to WPGC sometime whitney. Truly astounding that you can be this blind. Have you ever heard of a little station called MTV? How about VH1? How about BET Music? You REALLY need to get out more. No surprise you completely ignored my points on the Hip Hop Summit Action Network, talk about intellectual dishonesty, no big surprise you are a teacher, God help our children.

The Resident Moron, Lee, wh... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

The Resident Moron, Lee, whined:
Your dishonesty in defense of a racist

I'll ask again. Quote me where I defended Imus, you lying schmuck.

"Don Imus made some nast... (Below threshold)
drjohn:

"Don Imus made some nasty racist comments.."

This is what Lorie wrote- it hardly strikes me as a defense of Imus.

Liberals are such liars.

_Mike_He can't... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

_Mike_
He can't
So he will continue to lie, hem and haw

lee:"my disagreeme... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

lee:

"my disagreement with her argument isn't a defense of rappers, it's a condemnation of Imus"

You say calling specific women whores is worse then calling ALL women whores, and that that is ONLY a condemnation of Imus, not a defense of rap. Yet somehow you believe that Lurking Observer saying dahmer is worse than gacy is a defense of gacy, instead of a condemnation of dahmer. Your Hypocrisy knows no bounds does it lee.

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Whitney Morehood:

D Hoggs.

All of those outlets you mentioned, cable outlets, internet outlets, ALL of them, are entertainment outlets. Not ONE of those outlets you mentioned are NEWS outlets. If there seems to be a double standard between artists and news figures, it is because there ARE two standards, and news figures are supposed to be the higher of the two.

Imus claims to be a NEWS figure. Not once do I ever see or hear a rapper claim to bring me the news about todays topics and breaking news. Do you not see the difference? I don't reduce myself like you to calling people retarded in a debate, but I'm thinking you might be a little slow.

When a black rapper uses... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

When a black rapper uses derogatory terms about black women in general you're greatly offended? But when Imus refers to these specific black athletes as whores you find it less offensive?

Is it possible, even in your diluted world view, for a conservative to find such things equally offensive? Could we then be able to note how one statement makes someone a racist and brings criticism from all angles while demonstrating that the other statements receive a free pass?

What is wrong with you Lee? Why the constant lying and misrepresentation of what people are actually stating?

D-Hoggs: "Let me ask you... (Below threshold)
Lee:

D-Hoggs: "Let me ask you something lee, which is more offensive to you: me saying that you, pelosi and reid are fucking moron liberal assholes, or me saying that every registered democrat in the world is a fucking moron liberal asshole?"

Nothing you personally said or could possible say offends me, Hoggs. You speak from a lack of intelligence, not malice -- that's my guess, anyway.

Whitney, I find it... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

Whitney,

I find it truly disturbing that you call Imus a "news" figure. He is nothing of the sort. He is a radio host, an entertainer. He gives his opinion on subjects coupled with jokes and insults. Just because someone claims they are a news man doesn't make it so! Although to be honest I've never heard him claim to be one.

And you call others on this comment thread slow?

Don Imus ISN'T a news figur... (Below threshold)
Whitney Morehood:

Don Imus ISN'T a news figure? I suggest you read his bio on msnbc.com. I've highlighted a few tidbits for you:

"He is a member of the Emerson Radio Hall of Fame, the National Broadcasters Hall of Fame...Time magazine once named Don one of the 25 most influential people in America."

You find me where Timbaland or Kanye West or any other hip-hop artist you are so offended by has these credentials, and then we'll see how equal they are as "entertainers."

Yes, I call you slow.

Is it possibl... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Is it possible, even in your diluted world view, for a conservative to find such things equally offensive? Could we then be able to note how one statement makes someone a racist and brings criticism from all angles while demonstrating that the other statements receive a free pass?

What is wrong with you Lee? Why the constant lying and misrepresentation of what people are actually stating?

Sure, you could find both equally offensive, but I believe you're the first (or there are very, very few) commenters making that suggestion, and Lorie didn't suggest that either. Lorie said ..."to say they [rap artists] are much worse than the recent Imus comments would be the understatement of the year."

Lorie wrote that rap music is far more offensive, and other than us libbies it appears that not one conservative has disagreed with her, or suggested that they are "equally offensive" until now.

Personally I find Imus' remarks, which were aimed at specific individuals, far more offensive than rap lyrics aimed at a group of people in general. He's calling these basketball players "whores" - that's reprehensible. He's calling them "whores" because they are black -- that's unacceptable.

...but then suggesting that they (rappers and Imus) are equally offensive dilutes the defense of Imus, now doesn't it? - and that the point. Defending Imus by suggesting that rap music is worse is the objective of Lorie and Malkin and others - and I personally find that sickening.

As long as they are making ... (Below threshold)
ckerst:

As long as they are making big money what's the problem? It's all about making money isn't it?

Now, that we've also establ... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

Now, that we've also established beyond a doubt that Lee is a liar, which isn't really news.

The crux of the question is thus:
If someone refers to another person or group of people using the word 'ho', is the action detestable ?
Does the answer to the previous question depend on who uttered the word ?

Whitney appears to be arguing that it does matter.

I haven't seen anyone arguing that the answer to the first question is 'no'. The debate is whether the answer to the second question is 'yes'.

So taking this argument one... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

So taking this argument one step further Lee. It is your assertion that by claiming statement A is more offensive than statement B that is some sort of de facto defense of statement B.

So someone can not contend that some rap lyrics are worse than what Imus said and also have the belief that what he said was offensive? How can that be? Who are you to make that judgement of one's intentions? Do you see why you are facing such justifiable criticisms?

J.R. lee cannot for the lif... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

J.R. lee cannot for the life of him understand your point, its a lost cause.

whitney, Red Skelton is in ... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

whitney, Red Skelton is in the National Broadcasters Halll of Fame, as is George Burns, Wolf Man Jack and the Mormon Tabernacle Choir!! Howard Stern is in the Radio Hall of Fame. By your argument, I suppose that all of these people are News personalities too! HAH!

The same TIME magazine Top 25 you mention Imus being in, describes him as a shock jock for god's sake, do you do ANY research on the shit you blather?! Seriously, did you READ the MSNBC profile of Imus you are talking about?!! The whole thing is a sarcastic shock jock screed!!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080530/

That top 25 also includes pop musician Babyface, Dilbert (yes, the cartoon!), Rosie O'Donnell, Trent Reznor and Chris Carter creator of the X-Files, yes, yes, ALL extremely important news people!!

This is all besides the point, it is not about a difference between a news person and an entertainer, it is about who is reaching the largest audience with their shit talking, and that is hands down the rap community. Do yourself a small experiment, when you are "teaching" your kids today, ask them to all raise their hands if they know who Don Imus is, then ask them how many of them knew who Don Imus was before this story, THEN ask them how many of them know who Timbaland, Kanye, or Russel Simmons are. Something tells me I already know the outcome, and that you will be to busy indoctrinating to care.

D-Hoggs: "Let me ask you so... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

D-Hoggs: "Let me ask you something lee, which is more offensive to you: me saying that you, pelosi and reid are fucking moron liberal assholes, or me saying that every registered democrat in the world is a fucking moron liberal asshole?"

lee, "Nothing you personally said or could possible say offends me, Hoggs. You speak from a lack of intelligence, not malice -- that's my guess, anyway."

So basically you are going to ignore the question lee because your answer would only further expose your extreme hypocrisy. Same reason you ignored all of my other points. Pathetic.

"So someone can not cont... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"So someone can not contend that some rap lyrics are worse than what Imus said and also have the belief that what he said was offensive?"

Sure you can.

"It is your assertion that by claiming statement A is more offensive than statement B that is some sort of de facto defense of statement B."

Not a de facto defense - there you go again trying to lose the context of the discussion. Let's stick with specifics, the specific post Lorie made here.

In this context, yes. In this post Lorie defended Imus by saying rappers, who denigrate women in general, are far worse than Imus -- who specifically called a specific team of specific black women athletes "whores".

In this context Lorie's comparison is an attempt at a defense of Imus - the suggestion that the reaction to what he said is over the top -- "My, my -- just look at what these bad rappers do - that's far worse than what Imus did!"

You don't call that a defense of Imus? I do.

whitney says: "Imus claims... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

whitney says: "Imus claims to be a NEWS figure."

But Imus says: "I'm Howard Stern with a vocabulary. I'm the man he wishes he could be."

Hmmm, interesting. I didn;'t know Stern was such a great news personality. How about this quote from Imus:

"My goal is to goad people into saying something that ruins their life."

Yup, sounds like a real news guy to me whitney. I am curious, what does being a news guy versus being an entertainment guy have to do with anything anyway? We're all people here whitney, are you saying I can spout any kind of racist shit I want, and you won't care because I am not a news person? Because thats what it sounds like to me. You don't seem to care about what rappers say because they are "entertainers" (even if they are running fundraisers for hillary).

lee, how can you square say... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

lee, how can you square saying "Lorie defended Imus" when her very first sentance says, "Don Imus made some nasty racist comments". You are so fucking dishonest it is really getting old. And big surprise when people try to apply your own logic to your own words, you try to weasel out of it by yelling "context" and ignoring questions that expose you for the hypocrite you are. The bottom line here is that both Imus and rappers are deplorable for their racial and anti-woman rhetoric, yet only one of them gets called to task. And not one person here has defended Imus though you continue to say as much.

And, you saying that imus is worse than rappers is EXACTLY the same as lurking observer saying Dahmer is worse than Gacy, EXACTLY THE SAME, yet somehow observer is defending gacy but you are not defending rappers. Funny how that works in your favor lee. There is just no squaring that lee, no matter how much you weasel. You are saying the SAME EXACT THING as observer, so either he is defending gacy and you are defending rappers, or he thinks gacy and dahmer are both awful and you think rappers and imus are both wrong. Whats it gonna be?

"You don't call that a defe... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

"You don't call that a defense of Imus? I do."

No lee, we call that being fed up with the double standard of excoriating someone for something wrong he said while giving a large group of people a pass for saying the same things and worse on a regular basis and pushing that garbage on our children through radio and MTV.

"No lee, we call that be... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"No lee, we call that being fed up..."

Then you choose to not stand up for the black women athletes who were called "whores" by Imus. I'm not surprised.

And the public reaction to that kind of attitude exhibited by conservative Americans is partly behind the reaction to Imus. Americans are getting fed up with loud mouthed scum like Imus and Coulter spouting off in public and getting away with it. Here we see Imus defended strongly by conservatives. That's disgusting.

The freedom of speech for Imus and rappers let them pretty much say what they want. How people react is the telling sign. "Liberals" react when Imus spouts his spew at the Rutger's women basketball team - and conservative react when liberals react, and not before.

Where was Lorie's outrage over rap music lyrics last week? Show me her posts condemning rap music as being racist/sexist, please.. at any time before the Imus issue surfaced.

The fact is she, you and your conservative pals like Malkin are silent until someone on your side (Imus) crosses the line and the public reacts -- then you guys leap to the defense of the offender and try to minimize what he/she have done -- all the while expressing your faux outrage over the atrocities that preceded.... Bullshit!

I suppose no one should be surprised at that, in fact it's rather expected at this point in time that a racist bigot is going to get the support of the Republican Party bloggers. Malkin led, Lorie followed, and I'm sure there will be others - but I hope you recognize that the reaction to Imus is in part a reaction to you guys and your politics of hate.

Ka-ching goes the polling booths as the Democrats sweep the '08 election - see you there.

Sorry Lee, but what Lorie h... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

Sorry Lee, but what Lorie has posted here is nowhere near a defense of Imus. And let's just say your attempts at mincing words and twisting logic fits into your own pre-conceived stereotypes of how and what conservatives think. For according to you, there can be no other answer than Lorie was defending Imus when it's absolutely clear she was not.

"Then you choose to not sta... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

"Then you choose to not stand up for the black women athletes who were called "whores" by Imus"

lee, how many times do people here have to say that they think what imus said is wrong before you get it through your thick ass head that nobody here is or was ever defending him? YOu haven't baan able to point to ONE instance where anyone defending him except for trying to use your failed logic of "well, you said so and so is worse, which means you defend the first guy", yet somehow that doesn't apply to you when you do exactly the same.

"The fact is she, you and your conservative pals like Malkin are silent until someone on your side (Imus) crosses the line and the public reacts"

Ummm, sorry to break it to you lee, but imus is from your side buddy. He was backing Kerry heavily, guess that means you are the one defending imus huh, at least by your logic. What a dumbass you are, thinking imus is a conservative. I didn't think you could be any stupider, you never cease to amaze me though.

Now, care to go back to my other comment and answer any of the questions that you have been ducking all day? Didn't think so. Continue with your baseless attacks on everyone here attributing things no one ever said.

And the public reaction ... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

And the public reaction to that kind of attitude exhibited by conservative Americans is partly behind the reaction to Imus.

What reaction? What are you talking about? Who made you the spokesperson for the public? And I know you are not making Imus out to be some sort of conservative radio show host right? Oh wait, I should have read the rest of your post because you state:

The fact is she, you and your conservative pals like Malkin are silent until someone on your side (Imus) crosses the line and the public reacts

Now I've heard everything from you. You have to be kidding? Imus a conservative? What a joke you are. What it must be like to see the world though your tainted glasses where you are always right, where only your interpretations are the correct ones.

Americans are getting fed up with loud mouthed scum like Imus and Coulter spouting off in public and getting away with it.

Lee, now you're just being pathetic. You call this getting away with it? He is being roundly condemned on all fronts. Even on this blog, although you are too close-minded to see it.

Here we see Imus defended strongly by conservatives. That's disgusting.

An outright lie.

"Liberals" react when Imus spouts his spew at the Rutger's women basketball team - and conservative react when liberals react, and not before.

What a load of crap. Do you actually read what you write? What a warped mind you have.

Imus foolishly said some in... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Imus foolishly said some insensitive things. He's apologized and has been reprimanded. One would think that's the end of it.

Nope.

I'm sorry, did the Rutgers bastketball team fall down a well or get kidnapped by Iran or something?

They were insulted...I'm sure they'll live. I see worse insults fly back and forth on this blog all day long.

Action has been taken, let's be outraged over something that is actually outrageous.

Lorie:"Don Imus made... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

Lorie:
"Don Imus made some nasty racist comments"

Actual:
"On a personal note, I've never liked Mr. Imus"

SCSIwuzzy:
"racist stupidity...an old racist fool like Don Imus...It's right to call Imus on the carpet"
"One last try... Imus is wrong."

Lurking Observer:
"What Don Imus said was wrong and outrageous."

Faith+1:
"The truth is he is a racist and should be fired."

DrJohn:
"Every time that idiot opens his mouth I detest him more and more."
"Imus' comments aren't defensible"

Malkin:
"Let's stipulate: I have no love for Don Imus, Al Sharpton, or Jesse Jackson. I repeat: A pox on all their race-baiting houses...I agree with the athletes that Imus's misogynist mockery was "deplorable, despicable and unconscionable." And as I noted on Fox News's O'Reilly Factor this week, I believe top public officials and journalists who have appeared on Imus's show should take responsibility for enabling Imus--and should disavow his longstanding invective."

Me:
"I think Imus is a dirtbag and the things he said are wrong"

All of these quotes are what lee sees as defense of Imus. Wow. Just wow. I mean, we've all known for a while lee is a moron but I never realized how god awful his reading comprehension is. To quote J.R., lee,

"Why the constant lying and misrepresentation of what people are actually stating?"

J.R., seriously, I still ca... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

J.R., seriously, I still can't get over the fact that lee thinks imus is a conservative, frigging hilarious!!!!

Actually, I've come to the ... (Below threshold)
Lurking Observer:

Actually, I've come to the conclusion that Lee is correct. Conservatives did not condemn Imus until liberals first reacted.

So, unless Lee has his own blog, I don't remember seeing a single word from Lee condemning Imus at the get-go. Therefore, he must be a racist conservative scumbag.

Remember, if lee cannot show documented evidence that he condemned imus immediately, then one can only conclude that he supports imus.

So, lee, please provide evidence that you condemned Don Imus apart from on this blog's comments. In particular, please provide evidence that you condemned him before conservatives started commenting.

Otherwise, you will be seen, appropriately, as a conservative scumbag, deserving of the condemnation you so hypocritically heaped on others here.

D-Hoggs, Lee is a proven li... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

D-Hoggs, Lee is a proven liar that does nothing more than post 'rah rah sis boom bah - Go Democrats!' in some bizarre cheer leading attempt. He's either a moron or a troll. Either way he adds nothing coherent to any debate.

Further, Lee is so ill informed that he seems to believe that Imus is either a conservative or a Republican, which he's neither.

Lee:
The fact is she, you and your conservative pals like Malkin are silent until someone on your side (Imus)

He hasn't any idea what he's talking about, again nothing new.

Don Imus:"You can't ... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

Don Imus:
"You can't get much more liberal than John Kerry is. I mean, he's my candidate, but, I mean, come on."

Yup, I know a TON of conservatives whose candidate was John Kerry! Laughable.

D-Hoggs,Lee's char... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

D-Hoggs,

Lee's characterization of Imus as a conservative is a window into the corrupt logic that circulates his feeble mind. Imus made a racist remark and was wrong in doing so, Lee thinks all conservatives are wrong and racist, therefore Imus msut be a conservative!

Of course that logic can only be used to condemn conservatives, applying such thinking to liberals removes "the context" of such arguments.

I hear you J.R. Spot on in ... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

I hear you J.R. Spot on in your assesment.

Gee, sorry I couldn't flame... (Below threshold)
Whitney Morehood:

Gee, sorry I couldn't flame bait for the past few hours with you, D-Hoggs, seeing as how I WORK for a living and can't spend an entire afternoon debating ill logic...

I may come back to show you where you are wrong, but I have to live up to my adult responsibilities now, which don't include hanging out in a comments section ALL DAY.

Darned shift managers at Mc... (Below threshold)
Lurking Observer:

Darned shift managers at McDonald's!

"Now I've heard everythi... (Below threshold)
lee:

"Now I've heard everything from you. You have to be kidding? Imus a conservative?"

I said "someone on your side" - and Imus is clearly on the side of the racist bigots around here - that's why they are so eager to defend him.

lee, care to adress any of ... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

lee, care to adress any of the question posited to you? Care to address the multitude of comments from people saying the exact opposite of what you claim they are? Didn't think so. You're a lying sack.

whitney, nice try at an excuse to not have to answer for any of the garbage you've spewed. And I work for a living as well, and I dare say I make a shit load more than you do as a "teacher". "I may come back to show you where you are wrong", truly pathetic excuse for having no answers. I am terrified for your students.

"Why the constant lying and... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

"Why the constant lying and misrepresentation of what people are actually stating?" lee?

Is it just me, or does Lee ... (Below threshold)
drjohn:

Is it just me, or does Lee not seem to be connected to reality?

He has been totally refractory to any facts posted.

The Resident Moron, Lee, wh... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

The Resident Moron, Lee, whined:
I said "someone on your side" - and Imus is clearly on the side of the racist bigots around here - that's why they are so eager to defend him.

Sorry, Imus is a moron. That clearly make him 'on your side'.

"And I work for a living as... (Below threshold)
Whitney Morehood:

"And I work for a living as well, and I dare say I make a shit load more than you do as a "teacher". "

EXACTLY why I don't want to argue with you. Money. You're in pursuit. I prefer knowledge and sound logic, and it is clear I won't get any debating you. I'm done, and no, that's not an "excuse," that's a fact.

EXACTLY why I don't want... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

EXACTLY why I don't want to argue with you. Money. You're in pursuit. I prefer knowledge and sound logic, and it is clear I won't get any debating you. I'm done, and no, that's not an "excuse," that's a fact.

You're failing miserably in that pursuit. Not a soul has defended Imus, unless you call being repeatedly referred to as racist and wrong constitutes a defense in the alternate reality you reside in.

Why didn't conservatives mention rap music in the past? By the same token, why didn't liberals bitch about Imus in the past? I mean, Imus has made similarly racist comments in the past more than a few times.
-=Mike

In fact, want to know who I... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

In fact, want to know who IS defending Imus?

Rosie O'Donnell and John Edwards. According to Lee, they're racists.
-=Mike

Edwards is defending Imus? ... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Edwards is defending Imus? Show us where he's doing that Mike -- or are you just another liar like the rest of them?

Here's what Edwards said this morning, which doesn't amount to anything close to a "defense" of Imus.

"I believe in redemption, I believe in forgiveness," Edwards said of Imus, who was suspended earlier in the week after calling the Rutgers women's basketball team "nappy headed hos." Since then, Imus has repeatedly apologized for his comments and met with Rev. Al Sharpton, who called for the outspoken radio host's firing. Imus has also agreed to meet with the Rutgers team, who would not comment on whether or not they believed he should be fired.

Unlike candidates Rudy Giuliani and John McCain, who say they will continue to appear on Imus' radio show, Edwards says he hasn't seen enough from the shock jock to make that decision just yet.

"What he said is wrong because it's wrong. It has to be condemned, we have to speak out when people use this kind of language," Edwards said. "This is a very serious matter, it should be taken very seriously."

Suggesting a lighter sentence - i.e. forgiveness instead of firing, isn't the same as the defense of Imus that's been mounted by Malkin, Byrd and the conservative commenters here -- and Edwards was quite clear in his condemnation of Imus -- "What he said is wrong because it's wrong. It has to be condemned, we have to speak out when people use this kind of language". I don't see Edwards defending Imus by suggesting that Imus' words were not a serious as rappers.

... but maybe you quote or link to an article quoting Edwards' defense of Imus, MikeSC? Likewise for O'Donnell?

Lee, what Edwards said is E... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

Lee, what Edwards said is EXACTLY what people here have said.

You know, the ones you claim are "defending" Imus.

Let me guess --- you didn't notice how inconsistent you were, did you?

YOU have decided to re-define "defend" to include such things as criticizing a man. I'm simply going with YOUR definition.
-=Mike
...also, any thoughs on Imus --- who voted for Kerry and has lambasted Bush regularly --- suddenly being portrayed as conservative?

So, Lee, how does it feel t... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

So, Lee, how does it feel to defend racists like Rosie and Edwards? I mean, you ARE defending them and they ARE racists by your expressed definition.
-=Mike

Jason Whitlock says it pret... (Below threshold)
kim:

Jason Whitlock says it pretty well in the KCStar, 4/11/07.
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Go Snoop!... (Below threshold)
Proud Lib:

Go Snoop!

whitney:"EXACTLY why... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

whitney:
"EXACTLY why I don't want to argue with you. Money. You're in pursuit. I prefer knowledge and sound logic, and it is clear I won't get any debating you. I'm done, and no, that's not an "excuse," that's a fact."

No dear, I am in pursuit of life, and having a great time doing it. Funny how YOU are the one that brought up work, somehow trying to insinuate that I don't, and when I teach you otherwise you act as if it was my point all along. Typical. whitney, because you say it's" fact" and not an "excuse" doesn't make it so, you are making excuses as you have all along. When faced with facts debunking your idiotic claims, you ignore and/or disappear. The only "fact" you've presented is indeed your "excuse". You prefer knowledge and sound logic?! Once again, god help our children that have the gross misfortune of being indoctrinated by you. Now you can take your hatred of your father that you project onto others and teach it to our youth. Makes me sick to my stomach to think about.

After Imus meets with (and ... (Below threshold)
moseby:

After Imus meets with (and apologizes to) the nappy headed ho's next week all will be good with the world. Now let's moveon.org people!!

Posted by: D-Hoggs at April... (Below threshold)
Joe:

Posted by: D-Hoggs at April 12, 2007 10:25 AM


Dude, you don't make sense. Quit while you're not ahead. You didn't give any facts, you just make accusations. Go back to your "job."

joe, maybe if you had been ... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

joe, maybe if you had been around and had any clue as to what we have been discussing here, I would entertain your ignorance, but considering you've obviously no idea what is being discusseed, and you missed all the facts I did introduce to rebutt whitney's ridiculous claims, you can just continue on with your blissful ignorance.

You're right, Don Imus just... (Below threshold)
RonEdwards:

You're right, Don Imus just needs to jump on the bandwagon and pile on verbal abuse directed at black women. After all this "rappers made me do it" defense seems to be working out pretty good. Author, Zora Neale Hurston called the black women the "mules of the world." I guess they were just born to be abused. Thank you for your insight

Taken From Wikipedia: Freed... (Below threshold)
Michael Lange:

Taken From Wikipedia: Freedom of speech is the concept of the inherent human right to voice one's opinion publicly without fear of censorship or punishment. The right is preserved in the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights and is granted formal recognition by the laws of most nations. Nonetheless the degree to which the right is upheld in practice varies greatly from one nation to another. In many nations, particularly those with relatively authoritarian forms of government, overt government censorship is enforced. Censorship has also been claimed to occur in other forms (see propaganda model) and there are different approaches to issues such as hate speech, obscenity, and defamation laws even in countries seen as liberal democracies.

What I think needs to happen here is a unified effort; one that hits with the same veracity that the black community has hit Imus with. Using rappers and the so called hip-hop culture as an example. Firstly, if you listen to that trash, Stop! If you are buying it, Stop! If you watch Flava TV.(or anything like it) Stop! If your children have CDs' of it, destroy them. If your children wear the baggy pants, cut holes in them.(this put a halt to it when my best friend did it with his boys.) Cash in the gold chains and rings embodying hip-hop. Cease to purchase anything that advertisers use rap or hip-hop to sell. I for one wrote Heineken (maker of beer) when they did it, and they not only responded, telling me that the commercial would be pulled...but actually did it. Good luck with others though; for I've tried to no avail. Even stop buying Koolaid if you like drinking red sugar. The advertisers threats were the last straw that broke Imus. Let's see what happens when we pull out from the advertisers.




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