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Where Do Nancy Pelosi's Loyalties Lie?

She just returned from a trip during which she took time to sit down and talk with Bashar Al-Assad, one of the biggest sponsors of terrorism world wide. Now she says she's open to talks with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian megalomaniac leader who just announced that he's now enriching uranium at an industrial level and wants to wipe Israel off the face of the map:

The Democratic speaker from San Francisco and Lantos, chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, were asked at a news conference in San Francisco on Tuesday whether on the heels of their recent trip to the Middle East they would be interested in extending their diplomacy in the troubled region with a visit to Iran.


"Speaking just for myself, I would be ready to get on a plane tomorrow morning, because however objectionable, unfair and inaccurate many of (Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's) statements are, it is important that we have a dialogue with him,'' Lantos said. "Speaking for myself, I'm ready to go -- and knowing the speaker, I think that she might be.''

Pelosi did not dispute that statement, and noted that Lantos -- a Hungarian-born survivor of the Holocaust -- brought "great experience, knowledge and judgment" to the recent bipartisan congressional delegation trip to Israel, the Palestinian territories, Lebanon and Saudi Arabia in addition to Syria.

After insisting that she needs to keep an open dialog with leaders of rogue terrorist nations, she refuses to sit down and talk to President Bush about funding for the Global War on Terror in Iraq and Afghanistan:

Just in case their previous statement was too ambiguous, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) joined with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) to reject a meeting with President Bush next week if he insists on preconditions in their negotiations over a spending bill to fund the war in Iraq.


"What the president invited us to do was come to his office so that we could accept, without any discussion, the bill that he wants," Pelosi said at an afternoon news conference in San Francisco to discuss her trip to the Middle East last week. "That's not worthy of the concerns of the American people. And I join with Senator Reid in rejecting an invitation of that kind."

So to which country is she loyal? She won't talk with President Bush about funding our troops, but she's set and ready to talk to a despot leader who pushes "Death to America."

Update: Jon Roth at GOP Bloggers writes of the bigger picture, and he's spot on:

[Pelosi's] behavior actually weakens America by advertising to our enemies that we can be divided and conquered and that if Bush won't appease them then the Democrats will. Thugs do not change their ways just because you talked to them; they only change course when presented with a credible threat. Pelosi's antics nearly ensure that any threats we might make will not be seen as credible and that only following through on those threats can restore our credibility. In that sense, the Democratic sycophantic tour of mideast dictators will lead to exactly the opposite of what they hope to achieve.

Update II: Rob at Say Anything comments on the liberals' victim mentality:

I love how the liberals never fail to use the language of victimhood in everything they do. Lantos is a victim, therefore he is an absolute moral authority on the wisdom of engaging Iran in unilateral diplomacy. Just like like only Jesse "Hymie Town" Jackson has the moral authority to forgive Imus for his offensive comments.

Update III: Confederate Yankee makes a great point:

Liberals are solidly behind the idea of boycotting a news network to avoid giving them legitimacy, but they are in favor of defying their own government's foreign policy to lend legitimacy to yet another terrorist state that has sponsored attacks on our allies and are actively engaged in trying to kill U.S. soldiers.

Indeed.


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Comments (74)

It simple. Pelosi has some ... (Below threshold)
yetanotherjohn:

It simple. Pelosi has some standards. There are leaders of some countries that she thinks dialog is a good thing and some she doesn't.

I wonder if the Iranian parliment has a position open for a female speaker?

excellent point/post... (Below threshold)
Paul:

excellent point/post

So a Holocaust survivor is ... (Below threshold)
hermie:

So a Holocaust survivor is eager to fly to meet with a the rabid Holocaust denier, and someone who is ready to wipe all the Jews off the face of the earth?

SF Nancy must've passed around some powerful weed.

Peloci: "That's not wor... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

Peloci: "That's not worthy of the concerns of the American people"

I think she is miscalculating. I think a lot more Americans are concerned about winning than about the democrats scoring cheap political points. Sure, she and most democrats are primarily concerned with trying to make the Bush Presidency be percieved as a failure regardless of the consequences to the US and the world, but I don't think her actions will play well with those of us who want the US to win. And I think those of us who want the US to win far outnumber those who would prefer the democrats' plan of premature retreat and handing a victory to the terrorists.

Kim, what are they going to... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Kim, what are they going to talk about? Bush has taken all options off the table, so what is the point?

I think that dialogue has ... (Below threshold)
Michael:

I think that dialogue has to be a part of any solution in the Middle East. You can agree or disagree with Pelosi's methods, but to question her loyalties seems to me to go over the edge.

"Kim, what are they going t... (Below threshold)
John F Not Kerry:

"Kim, what are they going to talk about? Bush has taken all options off the table, so what is the point?"

Posted by: BarneyG2000

Interesting question Barney. I wonder what she has to talk about with Ahmadinejad. How to wipe out all the Jews, perhaps? I do question her patriotism!

Pelosi has assented to Bush... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

Pelosi has assented to Bush's Iran build-up in the Gulf and she's accompanied by the rabid zionist Lantos, both AIPAC-approved last month.

So expect some happy results from the Iranian talks. As the Indians on TV say: She brings strong medicine. She has the carrot(Bush policy opposition) and the stick (Lantos).

As for dissing Bush, she can meet with him any day. The war WILL be funded, but the lame duck appearance must be maintained for political reasons. If the surge goes south, the less Dem fingerprints, the better.

" Sure, she and most democr... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

" Sure, she and most democrats are primarily concerned with trying to make the Bush Presidency be percieved as a failure.." PB

Well it looks like they succeeded. GOP is complete disarray and revolt. Just look at a few select quotes from a NY Times story:

"It's not that I have any particular problem with the people who are running for the Republican nomination. I just don't know how they can run hard enough or fast enough to escape the gravitational pull of the Bush administration."

"I would say a lot of people are not turned on because they don't see a lot of bright spots out there," Mr. Beltram said. "Home prices are going down. Gas prices are going up. And the war keeps dragging on."

"We don't do well until we have a common enemy," Mr. Dawson said. "Right now, our enemy is ourselves."

"It's a dying administration," Mr. Steele said. "There's a fatigue factor and there's a rubbing-off when it's not very smart to be closely associated with such low ratings."

"The war in Iraq and public opposition to it has put a pall on Republicans," said John C. Danforth, a former Republican senator from Missouri.

Holey Cow Barney! People m... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

Holey Cow Barney! People making disparaging remarks about the Republican party actually got quoted in the New York Times!?!?!

SHOCKED! I tell ya, I'm totally shocked!

Nancy Pelosi, Queen of the ... (Below threshold)
Jo:

Nancy Pelosi, Queen of the Middle East. Wow.

What a party.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a de... (Below threshold)

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a deeply dangerous figure. It is not wise for the Speaker Of The House to open any dialogue at this time with Iran, because Ahmadinejad would only use the visit for propaganda purposes to strengthen his position in Iranian politics.

By contrast her visit which sought to ween Syria away from Iran, and promote as dialogue between Israel and Syria was well intentioned, although Israel decided to undermine her effort because they likely prefer their current relationship with Syria, and shy away from any talks that could force more land concessions. Israel is only 11 miles wide at it's most narrow point, and more land concessions only endanger their security.

Iran has made it abundantly... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Iran has made it abundantly clear that they are not interested in stopping enrichment. Is Speaker Pelosi going to talk them out of it?

She's not a diplomat, nor does she have the skills, knowledge or the intelligence to be one.

Once again, someone needs to look at the laws regarding this sort of freelance policy making.

This is all besides the point that our Justice League delegation already visited Iran.

Confederate Yankee brings u... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Confederate Yankee brings up this interesting point:

Liberals are solidly behind the idea of boycotting a news network to avoid giving them legitimacy, but they are in favor of defying their own government's foreign policy to lend legitimacy to yet another terrorist state that has sponsored attacks on our allies and are actively engaged in trying to kill U.S. soldiers.
Kim Priestap lied when she ... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Kim Priestap lied when she wrote: "...she [Speaker Pelosi] refuses to sit down and talk to President Bush about funding for the Global War on Terror in Iraq and Afghanistan"

That's just another Republican lie. Pelosi is willing to sit down with Bush, and has stated that publicly, so long as he doesn't, in her words -- "insist[s] on preconditions in their negotiations over a spending bill to fund the war in Iraq.

If Bush insists on preconditions, he isn't negotiating. Is Georgie planning to sit Nancy down and lecture her sternly about her trip to the Middle East? You know -- put her in her place?

Tsk Tsk, Kim. Is an honest discussion of the issues, based on facts not lies, beyond your reach? Why do conservative bloggers lie like this...?

Maybe pelosi was screwing t... (Below threshold)
moseby:

Maybe pelosi was screwing those ay-rab foreign leaders? Maybe pelosi will screw amadinijad? Then who is a "crappy-headed ho"?

So Lee, what you saying is ... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

So Lee, what you saying is that it's o.k. for Pelosi and Reid to come to a meeting with the President with their pro-surrender and pro-give the terrorists a victory preconditions, but it's wrong for the President to have pro-US succeeding preconditions.

The convincing threat of fo... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

The convincing threat of force greatly strengthens one's negotiating position. What the Democrats, and specifically Ms. Pelosi, have done is made the threat of force much less convincing. As a result, it makes the necessity to use actual force more likely.

Specifically, Iran is unlikely to stop its pursuit of nuclear weapons unless it believes that there's credible threat of repercussions against it. All that Ms. Pelosi has accomplished is to show that the U.S. is divided against itself; thereby removing credibility from any threat Iran may face. In turn, this makes it more likely that we'll wind up in a scenario in which we'll be forced to choose between military action against Iran or standing by while Iran becomes a nuclear power.

If she insists on going to ... (Below threshold)

If she insists on going to Iran, let her. Just don't let her back in to the U.S. when she returns.

Lee:That'... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Lee:

That's just another Republican lie. Pelosi is willing to sit down with Bush, and has stated that publicly, so long as he doesn't, in her words -- "insist[s] on preconditions in their negotiations over a spending bill to fund the war in Iraq.
If Bush insists on preconditions, he isn't negotiating.

A precondition is something that must be agreed to before negotiations, it doesn't negate negotiations. The only reason Speaker Pelosi won't agree to it is that she's afraid of having partial ownership of the war. Bad news for her is that she cannot support the troops without taking partial ownership of the war.
But, she'd rather play politics than fund the troops.
That's all well and good. Speaker Pelosi can show her support for the American troops by meeting with Iran while Iranian supplied and funded roadside bombs are killing our men.

Is Georgie planning to sit Nancy down and lecture her sternly about her trip to the Middle East? You know -- put her in her place?

I think he should. He should be exploring if prosecution is a possible outcome of usurping power in the government.

Kim lied?..... LIED?.......... (Below threshold)
Ran:

Kim lied?..... LIED?.........Geeze.. what an interesting mind Lee has..since the entire MSM are saying the same thing!

You got that right _Mike_!<... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

You got that right _Mike_!

It's just like when Kerry was running in '04 and he said that he voted to treaten Iraq with the use of force, but not to actually use force.

The leaders of rogue nations and terrorist organization know that the democrats will only make empty threats.

Well, Lee's version of lyin... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Well, Lee's version of lying is rather broad.

Speaker Pelosi has said she won't sit with President Bush because she has to agree to preconditions to do so.

Kim said Speaker Pelosi won't sit with President Bush.

Kim is obviously lying.

According the LA Times poll... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

According the LA Times poll (released yesterday) a majority of Americans are backing the Dems play:

Should the Dems cave to Bush's demand
Fund the war without conditions: 43%
Withhold funding until Bush signs: 45%

Should Bush veto the bill
No = 48%
Yes = 43%

BarneyG2000:Accor... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

BarneyG2000:
According the LA Times poll (released yesterday) a majority of Americans are backing the Dems play:

I understand that you're a Liberal so you're likely at least mathematically challenged if not generally mentally challenged.

45% is not a majority. 48% is not a majority.

50%+1 would be a majority.

No, according to the LA Tim... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

No, according to the LA Times, a slight majority of people polled agree with the Democrats.

Barney:Given that ... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Barney:

Given that most polls have a +/- 3-4% margain for error, that means diddly.

Hey Barn....great bit of re... (Below threshold)
metprof:

Hey Barn....great bit of research. A lib qouting an LA Times poll!!!! Now that's unique! Kinda like picking up the phone and talking to yourself. Please keep up the good work.

I believe in the eyes of th... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

I believe in the eyes of the average American Nancy is not really losing anything. I am not sure how many people on the street really could name the Speaker of the House let alone care that she is over there. After all, look how many other legislators have traveled overseas on "fact finding" missions. So, if nothing comes of it, big deal, nothing was expected. If something does, it makes Bush look bad no matter what she had to say in secret to get a bone thrown to her. Her worst nightmare would likely be actually having responsiblity for something of consequence and she is not willing to do that right now. I am sure at some point in the future she will voluntarily or involuntarily find that she must be a legislative leader and assume responsibility for SOMETHING in the role of her job description. Bush owes her nothing. This is all political. Just as the Sunni/Shia or the Fatah/Hamas clashes have provided a temporary respite from the focus on destroying Israel, it would be fun to sit back and see Nancy and Hillary duke it out for the title of "Most Powerful Woman in America" using these stupid political games they play.

I have been blogging that M... (Below threshold)

I have been blogging that Mrs. Pelosi should be prosecuted under The Logan Act (and I have posted the full text of the Act). She is further in violation of the separation of powers which reserves the conducting of foreign policy to the EXECUTIVE.

She should be prosecuted, convicted, impeached and sent to prison. The order is irrelevant. Just so it's done.

My late father frequently s... (Below threshold)

My late father frequently said that "figures lie and liars figure" and in 65 years on this planet, I have never seen reason to dispute that phrase. Still don't. Especially when the poll is conducted by the L.A. Times, a known bastion of unreasoning BDS!

I guess you guys don't like... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

I guess you guys don't like the poll results? Mike, it is a majority of those that answered the question.

The findings are significant because a majority of Americans are either for:
-Defunding
or
-Setting a timeline

The last of the GOP talking points are going down in flames.

I guess you guys don't l... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

I guess you guys don't like the poll results?

What results.

The results are negligible. The most they do is show how sharply divided America is on the subject.

Now you're the one trying to spin it by claiming (in your own words) "a majority of Americans are backing the Dems play"

What a bunch of bull dung.

Wow! Again the liberal left... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Wow! Again the liberal lefties hypocritical stance comes out. I do not know why I am surprised. I seem to remember GW asking the democratic leadership to come to the table to discuss revamping social security. Both these magnificent leaders said as long as partial privatization is on the table, we are not going to negotiate. A pre-condition? Yup.

There is ALWAYS a ground work before negotiations. Only mature business people understand that. It always comes down to the core of the lefties; they do not like the military. This is just a tool they are using to stop them. ww

I know Barn.....you "speak ... (Below threshold)
metprof:

I know Barn.....you "speak for all america"...lolol Isn't that Harry Reid's line?

What brave leaders we see o... (Below threshold)
metprof:

What brave leaders we see on the Dem side. Won't meet with the President (please forget that THEY have their own preconditions like "surrender" as distated by Markos and the other moonbat kings), won't go on the evil Fox network, but willingly visit the leaders of terrorist-sponsoring states!

FDR, JFK, Scoop Jackson, Hubert Humphrey must be doing a 2 1/2 wit a twist in their graves.

Here is a little meat for y... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Here is a little meat for you Pelosi lovers. Seems Ms Pelosi, Senator FeinStein, Senator Boxer and Ms Pelosi's nephew, Gavin Newsome, the Mayor of San Fran. are involved in something to do with the redevelopement of Hunters Point Naval base. Seems Senator Feinstein's husband is the main contractor involved. I think more information is available at a CA website as there is a lawsuit concerning shody work by the Senator's better half. Interesting how birds of a feather flock together. Hope they hang all of them.

I have been blogging tha... (Below threshold)
Larkin:

I have been blogging that Mrs. Pelosi should be prosecuted under The Logan Act (and I have posted the full text of the Act). She is further in violation of the separation of powers which reserves the conducting of foreign policy to the EXECUTIVE. She should be prosecuted, convicted, impeached and sent to prison. The order is irrelevant. Just so it's done.

So surely Gayle, you must maintain that Newt Gingrich should have been impeached for this?

New York Times, March 31, 1997 -- reporting on a trip to China by House Speaker Newt Gingrich. Speaking with startling bluntness on an issue so delicate that diplomats have tiptoed around it for years, Newt Gingrich said today that he had warned China's top leaders that the United States would intervene militarily if Taiwan was attacked.

The raging hypocrisy of Wizbangers never ceases to amaze me.

Larkin,There's no ... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Larkin,

There's no hypocrasy in my statement. I've said it before: Republican or Democrat, it's wrong to travel abroad to set a parallel U.S. policy.

Was what Newt said condradictory to the standing policy, or was he just stupid about how he said it? Seems to be the latter.

Why would anyone question P... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

Why would anyone question Peeeeloshi's loyalty, patriotism or care about the rule of law in the United States. She has proven herself to be a traitor by violating the constitution and U.S. law. There is no question left except 'why isn't she in jail or facing a firing squad'?

When you play to the lowest common denominator 'the nutroots' of the country you are as low as they are. The nutroots even argue that the AH Edwards and his wife, who is a worse AH, are normal caring Americans.

There is a fool born every day, all of them from the past hundred years have gathered in the democrat party.

Larkin.....wasn't Newt's co... (Below threshold)
metprof:

Larkin.....wasn't Newt's comments a reiteration of Clinton's policy?????I think SO.

Nice try.

Seems like the LATimes poll... (Below threshold)
engineer:

Seems like the LATimes poll quote is somewheres around a 40/30/30 split of Dem/Ind/Rep.

Sorry but i don't have the time to do the math to get exact figures, only a rough estimate.


If the Secretary of State w... (Below threshold)
Ray:

If the Secretary of State were to personally interpret the will or direction of the United States: anarchy would rule, if not treason. Should we, the lowly citizen expect next a call to the United Nations to support the intentions of a congress person over the President. The powers of government discourage a foreign influent approach. That is what I was taught in Junior High. The Party will take the heat for this maneuver.

She has proven herself t... (Below threshold)
hansel2:

She has proven herself to be a traitor by violating the constitution and U.S. law. There is no question left except 'why isn't she in jail or facing a firing squad'?

First of all, she's hardly violating the constitution or the law. And suggesting she should be in front of a firing squad? Man, dude, you gotta get a hold of your anger. Not just because it's ugly but whatever point your trying to make is completely lost due to such extreme ridiculousness.

Duncy Pelosi YOU DO NOT ... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

Duncy Pelosi YOU DO NOT SPEAK FOR ME , STUPID WITCH. NOR YOU HARRY REID. These assholes do not speak for the American People , they speak for their fellow Communist Socialist Dictators some who just happen to have a fetish for cutting off the heads of the American People.

Hey Barney, please provide the names of these people polled if you would. The LA TIMES is a joke. They send kids around the city to sell their democrat propaganda shit paper at night. They all give the same sob story that their High School didn't have the funds to buy basketball uniforms because they spent it all on Home Coming or some other event. The democrats are despicable sending kids to sell their propaganda under the guise of "it will help pay for uniforms". What more proof does anyone need that the democrats are completely incompetant , failures and frauds.

I would drive all the way to DC to see that treasonous bitch hang by her chicken neck but we don't do that anymore. Democrats have corrupted everything they can get their filthy hands on and are in the business of maintaining stupid people like Lee and Barney. It's no suprise when the Communist Democrats claim this Country is not worth dying for to keep from being taken over. Just look at the progress made by the Cowards and liars have made in their quest to take total control.

Is it too much to ask to enforce the Law and rid this Country of these traitorous frauds?. President Bush , do your fricken job and rid us of these parasitic enemies from within.

Hey Barney how do your leaders claim to speak for the People when their approval rating as a Democrat Majority in Congress was only 25%? That's Less than the President Bush you moron. So your propagandist Media puts out a bogus poll putting them at 40% and it gives you impotent losers a rise. So your democrat masters disapproval ratings went from 75% to 60% , how the hell does that translate as "Speaking for the People"?

The biatch that nobody knew when her party deceived their way into the Majority. 75% Nancy who?

Barney, since you seem to t... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

Barney, since you seem to think polls should determine how we run policy then you would agree with the statements Jay made a week or two ago. I paraphrase: if the majority of Americans dislike the income tax, then close the IRS; if the majority of Americans want to manage their own retirement, they are free to opt out of Social Security; if the majority of Americans with no kids don't want pay local taxes to fund public education,..... I'm sure you get my drift. Where do you draw the line on the importance of polling data as determining policy?

The biatch that nobody k... (Below threshold)
average wizbang poster:

The biatch that nobody knew when her party deceived their way into the Majority.

No deceptions. Actually, it's called an election. And your party lost, okay? I know it's hard to comprehend, but that's how it works.

Rob your post makes no sens... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Rob your post makes no sense at all.

DaveD, if you do not believe that politicians are influenced by poll then you do not understand how our democratic process works.

There is some good news coming out of Iraq. According to the Red Cross kids are going back to school:

"Millions of Iraqis are in a 'disastrous' situation that is getting worse, with mothers appealing for someone to pick up the bodies on the street so their children will be spared the horror of looking at them on their way to school, the international Red Cross said Wednesday."

Now if we can only improve the garbage pickup.

Democrats pick and choos... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

Democrats pick and choose which polls to use according to their needs. Or they can just make things up like they are with the last election. It's nothing but a fall guy to blame or to hide their true hidden agenda.

Democrats want us lose the war period. Theey and their media create discontent with the war, use emotion to create outrage and calls to bring our troops home. Those idiots blinded by hate and emotion can't even register that means us losing. Democrats happy as can be. Despicable losers they are.

Millions ? You're fric... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

Millions ? You're fricken POS Barney.

"Rob your post makes no sense at all."

To a stupid parroting democrat.

The reason Millions are now resorting to Home Schooling is so their children will be spared the horror of looking at them, Stupid Propagandist liberal scumbags.

It sounds like Rob has fina... (Below threshold)
hansel2:

It sounds like Rob has finally gone over the edge. His postings on this thread bring up images of him as a drunk in his undershirt, holding a bottle of Night Train Express and stumbling around his filthy house ranting this gibberish.

Hopefully, Rob, you will throw up shortly and sleep this off as you lie in your own filth and vomit.

I'm betting that if San Fra... (Below threshold)
nikkolai:

I'm betting that if San Fran Nan goes to visit President Nutjob in Iran, she'll have to take a new set of kneepads. The set she took to Syria is badly worn.

Then again, if rumors are correct--he will not allow her to orally service him. Now if she were a boy, that's a different story....

Hansel, you poor deluded a... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

Hansel, you poor deluded and misguided fool. You expect people to jump for joy and celebrate democrats despicable behavior , betraying our Country , causing the deaths of hundreds possibly thousands of Patriotic True Americans with their support of the Enemy? Their dope fiend antics in their lust for power is the most groteque display by a Political Party in the History of our Country.

"Rob, you will throw up shortly and sleep this off as you lie in your own filth and vomit."

It would take such a irresponsible behavior to bring on the expected vomitting the results of which leave one is a state of filth and disgrace.
Sorry to inform you this is furthest from the truth , however if I should ever desire to subject myself to such abuse I can simply surround myself with people like you and your numbskullery.

Barney, I think there is a ... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

Barney, I think there is a difference between politicians being influenced by polls versus politicians feeling obligated to make every decision based on polling data.

Has anyone pointed out that... (Below threshold)
The obvious:

Has anyone pointed out that Pelosi has confrimed that she IS NOT GOING to Iran? Did anyone - the San Fran Chronicle, Drudge, Kim - even contact Pelosi's office to ask for confirmation? No? Oh well...
Move along nothing more to see.

I think Rob needs a woman o... (Below threshold)
average wizbang poster:

I think Rob needs a woman or something. Too much stress built up there, clouds the thinking.

It's really absurd that you... (Below threshold)
Publicus:

It's really absurd that you don't know where Nancy Pelosi's loyalties really lie. It's like you think anyone who disagree with Bush is a traitor.

Bush is an officeholder. He's NOT the country.

Pelosi believes that you should try talking to people you disagree with. It's not a new concept; sometimes good things happen when you do it, and sometimes they don't. But it's a perfectly reasonable position which, I bet, at least half the country would agree with...

Hansel, you poor d... (Below threshold)
Publicus:
Hansel, you poor deluded and misguided fool. You expect people to jump for joy and celebrate democrats despicable behavior , betraying our Country , causing the deaths of hundreds possibly thousands of Patriotic True Americans with their support of the Enemy?

Supporting the enemy? That's absurd! In no way was she supporting the enemy. What are you talking about?!

After insisting th... (Below threshold)
Publicus:
After insisting that she needs to keep an open dialog with leaders of rogue terrorist nations, she refuses to sit down and talk to President Bush about funding for the Global War on Terror in Iraq and Afghanistan

1. Bush had a decisive precondition for a talk: the Democrats must give up and support Bush's position.
2. Unlike Kim, the Democrats understand that Iraq and Afghanistan are different countries, and that the Global War on Terror is a political term used to confuse the two.
3. Talking is talking. Pelosi (and the Democrats) in no way support bad things Syria does.

Take a chill pill!

The fallout from the Accide... (Below threshold)
marc:

The fallout from the Accidental Diplomat's trip to Syria is still ringing the globe.

This time from The Reform Party of Syria:

The result of the Pelosi trip on Middle Eastern reformists is having quite a chilling effect. Five years of investment by the US State Department and the Bush administration in organizations and people who have committed their lives to helping their oppressed countries is being flushed away by the Democrats in Congress who, with the visit of Pelosi to Syria, have shown that they favor the stability of dictatorships to freedom even if they had a direct hand in killing American troops in Iraq.

For Nancy Pelosi to cajole with Assad who has facilitated the killing of American soldiers is a travesty. RPS wants to remind all the Democrats in Congress what Assad has been up to in building terrorist bases in Syria. Many of the Democrats already know it because they get the same good intelligence as the National Security Council or the DIA. The US public has not been informed of these training terrorist bases because the media is disinterested in highlighting any reason that would prompt Bush to take action. Without public support, the US can never achieve success in the hard and long struggle to subdue extremism and to spread freedom.

Assad has built four different bases in Syria that we know of to train terrorists to send them to Iraq.

Larkin </p... (Below threshold)
marc:

Larkin

The raging hypocrisy of Wizbangers never ceases to amaze me.

Amazing Larkin. you pull the "hypocrisy card" with no knowledge whether she would condemn Gingrich or not.

Geesh... did it hurt bad when your knee slammed into your chin in the classic knee-jerk reaction.

That said, the trip you note included VP Goracle. Pelosi's trip not only failed to include Cheney but she was specifiaclly told not to go by the State Dept and Bush.

Publicus</... (Below threshold)
marc:

Publicus

2. Unlike Kim, the Democrats understand that Iraq and Afghanistan are different countries, and that the Global War on Terror is a political term used to confuse the two.

Interesting statement. Does using the term Global War on Terror also add confusion to the islamofacist war that continues today in Morocco, Indonesia, the Philippines, Thailand, Somolia, Palestine, Lebanon...etc...etc?

The result of the ... (Below threshold)
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The result of the Pelosi trip on Middle Eastern reformists is having quite a chilling effect. Five years of investment by the US State Department and the Bush administration in organizations and people who have committed their lives to helping their oppressed countries is being flushed away by the Democrats in Congress who, with the visit of Pelosi to Syria, have shown that they favor the stability of dictatorships to freedom even if they had a direct hand in killing American troops in Iraq.

If you believe this, I've got this wonderful little bridge in Brooklyn to sell you...

Does using the ter... (Below threshold)
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Does using the term Global War on Terror also add confusion to the islamofacist war that continues today in Morocco, Indonesia, the Philippines, Thailand, Somolia, Palestine, Lebanon...etc...etc?

It does if it makes you think that all those countries are identical and don't require policies that take into account KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THEM and their INDIVIDUAL CIRCUMSTANCES.

I think that's the whole idea. The GWOT makes it sound like there's a unified worldwide conspiracy of like-minded people and we need to invade and bomb them all.

It's that kind of "thinking" (sic) that makes (some) people believe that a lousy secular dictator like Hussein was working hand-in-hand with fanatical religious fanatics like Al Queda.

to all of those who have po... (Below threshold)
slingshot:

to all of those who have posed the question in a rhetorical manner,let me put it for you very clearly:
To the deadenders (supporters of Bush) disagreeing with the leader makes you a traitor. period. after all this time there should be no need for anyone to think otherwise. thus, as long as the democrats are not trying to bow down to every whim of W, they will be labelled traitors by the deadenders. let us consider this established fact and move on. it is virtually pointless to have a discussion over why pelosi is a traitor ornot loyal to america, when we know quite clearly the rationale for this thinking. is it absurd that anyone could seriously question the loyalty of the speaker of the house of the united states? of course. welcome to the deadend.

i will also like to just mention that a few days ago, when the fat turd blossom was protested at american university, many posters on blogs said many nasty things about him (he should be lynched, etc) to which great outraged was expressed by conservatives. here we have, an elected public official (unlike rove) Pelosi making foreign trips, and what do people on whiz bang call for? a firing squad, hanging, etc... STFU. i am outraged only at your faux outrage and hypocrisy, not at your "shaking my tiny fist" tough statements.

I just LOVE seeing you left... (Below threshold)

I just LOVE seeing you leftist loons trip over yourselves denying reality when it comes to this pathetic woman. Groveling to terrorist states and making us look even weaker.

It would've been like Reagan groveling to Gorbechev or Qadaffi...whereas the demicrats look like Teddy Kennedy trying to kiss up to the Soviets in the 80's.

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Groveling to terrorist states and making us look even weaker.

I saw no groveling. (That was in your imagination.) I DID see someone who wasn't afraid to talk with people she had disagreements with.

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Of course you wouldn't see that pubes...you live in the liberal fantasy-land where you guys are tough on terror...just don't call it "war on terror".

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why is that you people will point the blame at everyone BUT Bush, your oh so beloved COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF of the world, for making us look bad? why is it that the guy in charge is NEVER held accountable, no matter what happens? why is that?

slingshot:Exactly ... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

slingshot:

Exactly what planet are you posting from?

slingshot is a complete was... (Below threshold)
nikkolai:

slingshot is a complete waste of time. When I see that particular handle at the end of a post, I quickly skip it.

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hansel2:

Hansel, you poor deluded and misguided fool. You expect people to jump for joy and celebrate democrats despicable behavior , betraying our Country , causing the deaths of hundreds possibly thousands of Patriotic True Americans with their support of the Enemy?

Uh...are you high? Thousands of patriotic Americans - our soldiers - have died at the hands of those who could CARE LESS about them. This administration started this war, the republican congress and senate had the votes to override whatever ANY democrat could do - so what planet exactly are you on?

The ONLY reason Democrats have any semblance of power now is because the majority of the American people - the smart ones (obviously not you) - have voted them in to take the administration and their supporters to task. This is what the American public wants, no matter how much you cry foul or conspiracy - or whatever drunken rant you feel the need to spew.

Only a true fool ignores fact for fiction, reality for fantasy and supports a man who has lied to them 600 days till Sunday. Call me a fool all you want, Rob. In the real world, my opinion is in the majority and yours is that of a small militant fanatical loony who, if it were in the majority, would be the true enemy of our country.

I believe you believe th... (Below threshold)
Rob LA Ca.:

I believe you believe that.

Nancy Pelosi and her acts o... (Below threshold)
KevKUSA:

Nancy Pelosi and her acts of flagrant disregard for her Country are treasonous. She acted like the spoiled child she has always been when taking the place of a diplomat which obviously "she is not." We may be "bogged down" in this war in Iraq however, noble was the cause and their people far and above out-numbered our own people going to the polls. Nancy Pelosi would sell her soul "and her Country" for the spotlight.




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