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Suicide Bomber Attacks Inside Iraqi Parliament Building

A suicide bomber got inside the Iraqi parliament building and blew himself up. As Allah said, it was an attempt by the terrorists to convince people that the surge really isn't working:

What they're trying to do here, very clearly, is show the surge isn't working by demonstrating that even the safest part of the city is more vulnerable than it's been. That's why they've been focusing more on the Green Zone in the past few weeks. It started with the rocket attack during Maliki's presser with Ban Ki-Moon, then another rocket attack killed an American soldier, then they found two suicide vests somewhere in the area. The fact that the bomber attacked in the cafeteria instead of the main assembly hall, where he could have done a lot more damage, makes me think he was probably a menial employee, not someone in an MP's security detail (although I wouldn't be surprised if I was wrong). Assuming they did a diligent job with the dogs as people were coming in, it also means the bomb was hidden somewhere in the building before the doors opened this morning.

The audience here wasn't just the Iraqi people and the Iraqi government. The terrorists know the Democrats want us out bad, so this attack was also meant to panic the Dems to get them to increase the pressure on President Bush and expedite their efforts to get our troops out of Iraq. Of course, the Democrats will fall for it.

Captain Ed sees this as possibly being the beginning of our defeat:

This will probably create an almost insurmountable problem for Nouri al-Maliki and his government. Already, Iraqi politicians have declared the new security plan a failure. They will not allow this attack to go without some accountability from the government and perhaps an abandonment of the new joint Iraqi-US plan put in place earlier this year. That would put the Bush administration in a difficult position; if the Iraqis declare the new Baghdad security plan a failure, his domestic political support for the war will collapse entirely.


The next few days will be critical for Maliki and Bush. This could wind up as this war's version of the Tet attack on the US Embassy in Saigon, an event that provided the tipping point for American patience in a foreign war.

Update: Time reports that the suicide bomber was a body guard for a member of parliament and that the bombing was meant to undermine the reconciliation process:

The extremists want to stop efforts of reconciliation between the Iraqi government and an Iraqi-led, nationalist faction of the insurgency that has turned on al-Qaeda in recent weeks. That was the likely motive in an earlier attack on March 23, when Deputy Prime Minister Salam al-Zubaie was hospitalized after an attack reportedly carried out by a guard who detonated a suicide vest at al-Zubaie's compound on the edge of the Green Zone. Al-Zubaie, a Sunni from a powerful tribe west of Baghdad, is an important promoter of the reconciliation policy.

Update II: The Iraqi parliament is meeting tomorrow to address and condemn the bombing:

BAGHDAD (Thomson Financial) - Iraq's parliament will hold an extraordinary session tomorrow to condemn 'terrorism' following a suicide bombing that killed three people including at least two MPs, the speaker said.


'The parliament will hold a session tomorrow as a challenge to terrorism,' Sunni speaker Mahmud Mashhadani told state television Al-Iraqiya after today's attack.

Meanwhile, Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki condemned the suicide attack inside Iraq's parliament building as a 'criminal and cowardly act' and vowed such violence would not weaken MPs' resolve.

'We strongly condemn this criminal and cowardly attack, and this mean act will not weaken the will of the representatives of the Iraqi people,' Maliki said in a statement issued by his office.


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Comments (70)

I guess the bomber did not ... (Below threshold)
914:

I guess the bomber did not like the lemon pie dessert?

Although I certainly suppor... (Below threshold)

Although I certainly support the new efforts to stabilize Iraq, and oppose the Democratic bills related to the war, this type of violence does prove that the insurgents continue to adapt their warfare to any new security measures.

Violence is now up at least 10% from last month, and so also are American and Iraqi civilian deaths. April is on track to break all records for violence. What would be right is to restore stability to the country. But so far nothing has really worked, as violence just keeps increasing, and insurgents find new security holes to exploit.

I would find it humorous th... (Below threshold)
mantis:

I would find it humorous that Kim and others never see such events as evidence that things are not going well in Iraq but rather as a trick to make us think things are going badly, if it weren't so damn sad.

Why does Kim assume that th... (Below threshold)
PJ O'Rourke:

Why does Kim assume that the attack was designed to panic democrats? Perhaps it was designed to kill people the terrorists hate? How easy, to deflect from the real issues in Iraq and somehow find a way to assign some kind of far out responsibility to democrats.

So if the surge actually, i... (Below threshold)
Martin Morgan:

So if the surge actually, i.e., in reality, wasn't working (rather than this transparent "attempt to convince us it's not working"), what would you expect to happen?

I'll go first: bombings inside the Green Zone.

"As Allah said, it was a... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"As Allah said, it was an attempt by the terrorists to convince people that the surge really isn't working:"

Terrorists are doing what terrorists always do. The fact that conservatives fail to understand the terrorist mind and motives is clearly underscored by the statement above, and by this administration's failure to execute on the GWOT in general, and to quell the violence in Iraq in the specific.

Many conservatives seem genuinely terrified of this enemy - an enemy that they just don't understand. Putting those most effected by terrorism in charge of fighting terrorism has only served to strengthen the enemy. They are easily pulling the puppet strings of the frightened conservative mind, and making this administration dance to their tune.

Any minute now McCain will ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Any minute now McCain will tell us how safe it is in the Iraqi parliament building.

Not to mention the suicide ... (Below threshold)
jeff:

Not to mention the suicide truck bombing that collapsed a bridge in baghdad. I'm sure the US troops who all had their tours extended by 3 months are thrilled. In 3 more months they can extend them for another 3 months.

"Any minute now McCain w... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"Any minute now McCain will tell us how safe it is in the Iraqi parliament building."

Lol! Great line Barney - you rock.

Oh, since you linked Captai... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Oh, since you linked Captain Ed, I'll pass along Robert Farley's take:

Captain Ed:

Moqtada al-Sadr has decided to finally acknowledge that the surge strategy in Baghdad will undermine the basis of his power in Iraq, and has ordered the Mahdi Army to resist American and Iraqi forces trying to put him out of business.

Remember now; if the Mahdi Army lies low, then the Surge is working. If the Mahdi Army fights back, then the Surge is working. If the Mahdi Army has already dissolved, the Surge is working. If Sadr cooperates, the Surge is working. If he runs, the Surge is working. If he orders attacks, the Surge is working.

It's magical, this Surge; no matter what happens, the evidence demonstrates that the Surge is working. It can't fail! Any behavior taken by anyone in Iraq is a positive by-product of the Surge. I mean, sure, the Surge hasn't dented American casualty rates or Iraqi casualty rates for the country as a whole, but that also is evidence that it's working; the enemy is clearly desperate, which is why he's attacking us.

It's working dammit!

Well in all honesty the dem... (Below threshold)
G W Bush:

Well in all honesty the dems are providing moral support to the enemy by defunding the troops and enabling terrorists to get their propaganda out via CNN and Al quazeera!
so there is some validity in this area PJ

To add to mantis' observati... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

To add to mantis' observation, March was more deadly than February and so far April is more deadly than March (causalities per day). I am sure this is part of the Rope-a-Dope strategy of the surge.

G.W, exactly! You rock.</p... (Below threshold)
Jo:

G.W, exactly! You rock.

Try as they might, and beli... (Below threshold)
civil behavior:

Try as they might, and believe me they are doing their level best to do so, there is no way you dead enders will ever paint the reasons for the lack of successes to bring "democracy" to Iraq on the Democrats.

This is your baby, you bought it, you own it.

Americans know full well the dark side and faux cow boy George have with all their little neocon friends squandered the most laudable gift of international cooperation on a forceful push of nationalist unilateralism. Look where its gotten them.

Exactly how many ways would you like the insurgents to say that the occupation is driving the violence. What exactly would it take for you to realize that our kids do not belong there. It's just more tinder for the already out of control fire.

Get them out now, yank the funding, do whatever the heck it takes and let the Iraqi government take responsibility for the mess we made. We'll be making reperations for years for destroying their country but as it stands now the best we can do allow them to hobble together whatever kind of power structure they can WITHOUT Big Brother meddling in the contractual agreements necessary.

The only reason the US is still there is the greedy oil politicos haven't quite arranged their pound of flesh. What's wrong with you hacks? I'm beginning to believe you are stupid.

As for the bombings in the cafeteria of the Iraqi government building, where was the escalation of American troops working at that moment that someone undetected got that intimate and up close with goverenment officials.

"TV cameras and videotapes belonging to a crew sending footage to Western networks were confiscated and apparently handed over to U.S. authorities." Hiding something?

And you fools want to pin this on the Dems.

What the heck are you people smoking?

For weeks now the Administr... (Below threshold)

For weeks now the Administration and it's enablers, which include Republican Bloggers, have been grasping at threads and proclaiming that there are "signs" that the "surge is succeeding."

I have been writing that regardless of ones current position on Iraq that they had to avoid reading anything into events that may happen in Iraq until around June.

The "surge" has not begun and will not begin until all the soldiers are in place.

Well, I say this very sadly, the Adminsitration and their enablers jumped the shark to embrace the surge because of their blind support of it, instead of patiently waiting.

You have unknowingly given the ammunition of the "surges failure" to those that are against Iraq and they will use it.

"The only chance the Americ... (Below threshold)
civil behavior:

"The only chance the American military has to withdraw with any kind of tactical authority in the future is to take substantial casualties as a token of their respect for the situation created by the invasion," he said.

"The effort to create some order out of the chaos and the willingness to take casualties to do so will leave some residual respect for the Americans as they leave," says the former ex-officer who's son is currently an officer serving in Baghdad.

So how mnay more will die for the lie perpetrated and perpetuated by the perps in the WH?

Our world is in turmoil because of one man who has brought his life long shortcomings to the White House.

Replacing stay the course with the alternative, more intensely staying the course and calling it a *SURGE*. It is like repackaging BS into smaller bags and expecting it to be no longer BS.

I can see it now, a Nam look alike photo of the last Helicopter flight out of Baghdad off of the roof of a half built, 104 acre US palace-embassy. Another lesson in "hubris" for America as we didn't learn anything the first time in Nam.

Civil maybe this will answe... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Civil maybe this will answer your question (Bill Maher):

Republicans are still gung-ho about the war. In fact, two-thirds of likely GOP primary voters support what Bush is doing in Iraq. They support the surge. They've swallowed so much Kool-Aid that any change in their diet would kill them.

All you critics realize of ... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

All you critics realize of course just how FUBAR it is to nearly cheer this news and then, opportunistically, use it as an attempt to score some cheap political point, don't you?

Moreover, it really demonstrates just how little you understand the media motivations behind suicide bombings. They are spectacular for a reason: to generate attention and fear. And you're still pathetically buying into it.

You should go take a long walk off a short f-ing pier for cheering it on.

I don't think for a moment ... (Below threshold)

I don't think for a moment the Democrats in Congress are their target audience for all this, but the attention and predictable responses they get from Democrats is certainly a freebie they enjoy.

Lee you write "The fact tha... (Below threshold)

Lee you write "The fact that conservatives fail to understand the terrorist mind and motives is clearly underscored by the statement above"

Please, do not lump the many Conservatives and Libertarian Conservatives that were against nation building efforts like this in the 1990s and still are against them today.

Again, I ask that you refer to them as "Partisan Republicans."

This is NOT a Conservative or Libertarian problem.

wow...pretty much an entire... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

wow...pretty much an entire thread that believes that a bomber sneaking into the Parliament building means we should immediately sound RETREAT!!

We're putting increasing pressure on them and they are FIGHTING BACK!! GASP!!!

Mantis does a cute spew above with "The surge is working" as the repeated punchline. The reverse would be just as cute! only it would be the Democrats who would provide the repeated punchline: "IT'S HOPELESS...RETREAT NOW!!"

What are we...British Sailors/Marines???

so this attack was also ... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

so this attack was also meant to panic the Dems to get them to increase the pressure on President Bush and expedite their efforts to get our troops out of Iraq :Kim Priesthap
How do you know? That was quite a conjecture ..Did the suicide bomber leave a note.? Are the jihadists becoming so sensitive to the ways of Congress, that they are willing to kill themselves and others to move the spectrum of debate a shade, on Capitol Hill in Washington?

We surrender Al Quaeda, we ... (Below threshold)
G W Bush 914:

We surrender Al Quaeda, we surrender Iran, we surrender Syria!! quit killing us!

Lets see how that works?

Kim,It's totally a... (Below threshold)
Larkin:

Kim,

It's totally absurd to suggest that the motivation for this suicide bombing was to panic the Democrats.

If you in fact believe that then it must be your contention that if we pulled out tomorrow all of this violence would stop. After all, it wouldn't be necessary to influence the Democrats anymore right?

This just demonstrates once again that you partisan Republicans have little comprehension of what is happening in Iraq. You haven't studied the 1,500-year schism between the Sunnis and the Shiites and you don't understand the dynamics of the many different groups in Iraq (and some from the outside) who are right now competing violently to dominate the country.

What's going on in Iraq isn't all about US and we aren't entirely responsible for it. There are plenty of willing combatants on all sides in Iraq. They are more concerned with seizing power and suppressing their rivals than with anything that is going on in US domestic politics. All we have done is create the environment in which their "free-for-all" can take place.

It was stupid to claim that the surge was already "working" when our own military commanders were saying it will take until the end of the year before we know. By suggesting that the surge was already working supporters of the war are actually undermining their position because the American people will see their claims as deceptive due to events like the ones we've seen today.

Lee, BarneyG smokes rock. ... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Lee, BarneyG smokes rock. So do you evidently. I want to address this to the nay sayers. What do you think happens when good men refuse to fight against bad? You think these manual Kamakazis of a conflict between self determination and forced Sharia law? I ask you, did we surrender Chicago to the underworld of Capone? Notice how well Germany faired when good men failed to stand up to the evil of National Socialism. What will it take for you to understand this fight? Does a suicide bomber have to blow up you teen age daughters at the mall, because we don't bend to sharia law, for your eyes to open? We won Tet, they lost, yet it in the eyes of America because of a bias media declared it a victory for the enemy. The outcome was unification of Viet Nam under the Communists. Do you want to be unified with OBL?

Well the comments by the an... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

Well the comments by the anti-victory leftists above do prove one thing: the terrorism is working!

Keep it up Maqtada-- the American leftist will do whatever you want. You are a master at playing them and the press like a fiddle.

Oak Leaf,very astute... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

Oak Leaf,
very astute comment.
If childish domestic politics were not at the root of the Bush blogging circle and they were really war buffs, which is the most they can even hope to be, they would have recognized the folly of a mission against dis-embodied "terror". (What schmucks!)
But saving Bush day-to-day is Job 1 and reliance on strategically-placed Know-it-all Blogs with decent production values as "experts" for the Deep Stuff Out There, is just the price they pay for being Bushbots. They were fed a line, they took it, and now they're hooked.
At least the saps and dummies are. The neocons will walk into the ocean like Godzilla, to reappear as culture warriors or Truman Democrats after the elections.

wow...pretty much an en... (Below threshold)
Jo:

wow...pretty much an entire thread that believes that a bomber sneaking into the Parliament building means we should immediately sound RETREAT!!
We're putting increasing pressure on them and they are FIGHTING BACK!! GASP!!!


Justand, exactly. You rock too! These idiots are too easy.

Oak Leaf-I know yo... (Below threshold)
Rory:

Oak Leaf-

I know you're gutless-keep blogging anonymously coward.

Plenty can see right through all the "claims" you make, and how dishonorable you are-you really can't tech that you either have it or you don't-you don't.

Anyone who's been around the regular COMMISIONED ACTIVE -duty for more than two weeks. You know they don't have the enormous amount of free time that you have at your disposal.

Plus you have to be one of the most disengenuous bloggers on the internet-my particular favorite is when you compared Dubai to Afghanistan-

Jeebus-Anyone that's been to Dubai and knows the state that Afghanistan has always been in-was downright embarrassed for you.

"As Allah said, it was an a... (Below threshold)
jp2:

"As Allah said, it was an attempt by the terrorists to convince people that the surge really isn't working"

First it was the terrorists trying to disrupt their first, 2nd and 3rd elections, then it was them trying to influence our own elections...

As Mantis said: ...if it weren't so damn sad.

Again, I ask that you refer... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

Again, I ask that you refer to them as "Partisan Republicans."

This is NOT a Conservative or Libertarian problem.

Posted by: Oak Leaf"

I've tried to convey that message here, too. But it's implications for the Bushites are too dire for them to consider in public.
More dopamine, please!

***you really can't tech th... (Below threshold)
Rory:

***you really can't tech that you either have it or you don't-you don't.***

Should read: You can't teach-HONOR-you either have it or you don't.

oak leaf, re:RoryS... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

oak leaf, re:Rory

See what I mean?

Careful though; R might have a fly swatter!

"Many conservatives seem... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

"Many conservatives seem genuinely terrified of this enemy"

As usual Lee sees things ass-backwards. Those who want to retreat from Iraq and give the terrorists a victory are the ones who are terrified. The ones who want to stay and fight and destroy the terrorists are not afraid of them. We just understand what would happen if the democrats and the terrorist got their wish and the US left Iraq before it was stable.

A suicide bomber will alway... (Below threshold)

A suicide bomber will always get through. The Israelis could not prevent suicide bombers until they actually built a fence.
What is required is to recognize that singular incidents do not cause changes to policy. The way to determine whether the surge is working is to determine whether Baghdad is safer from the car bombings, sectarian killings and other similar atrocities that scare the population.

umm bryanDThis isn... (Below threshold)
914:

umm bryanD

This isnt about Bush! its about getting rid of the scum before the scum gets rid of us!

Exactly right 914!... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

Exactly right 914!

It has nothing to do with Bush (or Republicans) for those who want victory in Iraq-- well maybe some, but very few.

It is, however, all about Bush and the Republicans to those lefties who are willing to lie and sell out the safety of the world for a little temporary political power so they can force more socialism (and the universal poverty that always follows) on the rest of us.

This whole war is such a me... (Below threshold)
suhnami:

This whole war is such a mess, and for that I blame Repubs and Dems. The right didn't do it alone. I didn't want to invade Iraq because I was interested in getting the guy, you know, who attacked us and killed 3,000 of our beloved citizens). So here we are nearly 4 years into war the Rummy doubted would last 6 months, and the Cheney said was in its 'last throws'. We've posted 'Mission Accomplished' banners and been really positive, but we still face growing casualties as the months drag on. I'm still angry we're there to begin with, but now it's besides the point. If we leave every effort to stabilize the country is gone. We give Iraq back to nothing but absolute and utter chaos, in which the world views us as cowards and terrorists will be the Davey as Goliath runs. A massive victory for the enemy that we can't afford. Meanwhile pressure builds in other countries, and the man who started this, OBL, sits in his cave completely content over what he has started (unless we were going to Iraq regardless of 9/11, that's another point of debate). For the love of God, can we kill this bastard already? So really, what I want to know is, where is the tipping point to when this is no longer worthy of our efforts? When we are broke? When we've exhausted our recourses? When we need to draft? When a million Iraqis have died? When we have lost as many as Vietnam?

Like our government, and I'm including rights and lefts, we have no answers. Attempts on the right haven't really seemed to do much good, otherwise we would have been done in the 6 months Rummy doubted would take that long. The left can't get it together to do anything but to criticize the right. I think we can't pull out, but every situation has a tipping point.

914, I know, I know.... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

914, I know, I know.
If it's good news: it's Bush.
If it's bad news: it's not Bush.
In fact, if it's bad news, it's:
ROSIEPELOSI!!!
But seriously (between you and me),
it's Bush's War.

ashish, you logic does not ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

ashish, you logic does not make sense. First say: "A suicide bomber will always get through." Then you say: "determine whether Baghdad is safer from the car bombings,.."

By your logic the surge can not work because the military can not prevent suicide bombings?

(on the QT, that is what the Dems have been saying. The only solution is political.)

Iraqslogger.com has <a href... (Below threshold)
Larkin:

Iraqslogger.com has video of the attack.

"so they can force more soc... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

"so they can force more socialism (and the universal poverty that always follows) on the rest of us.

Posted by: P. Bunyan"

"Socialism"? Have you visited the Big Spender's spp.gov site wherein the economic and security apparatuses of Canada,USA, and Mexico are MERGED and controlled by an UNELECTED BODY of Americans and FOREIGNERS? And the highway surrounded by a no-man's land right through the center of the US, with barbed wire and everything? And a Spanish company gets to collect and keep the tolls?
Of course not! It might make you SAD. And that's BAD. (Oh, and the Real ID: UGH!)

Yes Suhnami war is ugly and... (Below threshold)
914:

Yes Suhnami war is ugly and very messy , a monumental waste..I hate it!
At what point is it to costly money wise or more importantly in the real loss of young special Men and Women? dont know?
Its horrible but Im just glad We have these special people that are willing to give their all for us!

God bless every one of them!

Mantis does a cute spew ... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Mantis does a cute spew above with "The surge is working" as the repeated punchline. The reverse would be just as cute! only it would be the Democrats who would provide the repeated punchline: "IT'S HOPELESS...RETREAT NOW!!"

Well, I cut and pasted a cute spew, anyway. It is funny how so many war supporters think there are only two options: stay in Iraq until it becomes a utopia or RETREAT NOW!!

Such violent little minds.

Larkin..thanks .It is prett... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Larkin..thanks .It is pretty frightening stuff, the video..I agree with Barney and alot of top military commanders in Iraq. The surge by itself, won't work.. The Iraqis and Americans need a political solution to this war..and Bush muist get serious about the political side..He has to use some savvy..Don't send or rely on another Paul Bremer, whose highest previous diplomatic and political post in his career was ambassador to Holland. Unfortunately Bush seems to have blown off all of the ISG group's recommendations, to redouble exclusively only on the surge.

How, exactly, do you negoti... (Below threshold)
brainy435:

How, exactly, do you negotiate politically with people willing to explode themselves for a little media exposure? Anyone want to tackle that? Did you see the news about the guy here in Ohio arrested for training with Al Quaida in the early 90's to kill Americans? If these guys kill people to get what they want when we appease them, and kill people to get what they want when we engage them, how can you justify the appeasement option? It just leaves more of them to kill more innocents.

I keep seeing this "Politic... (Below threshold)
Chip:

I keep seeing this "Political Solution" would someone please enlighten me, What is the political solution? If you say to redeploy our troops well then that would still be a (defeated) military solution wouldn't it? I haven't heard one Leftist come up with a viable solution other than leave Iraq to it's own devices. Is that it? Do we try to teach someone how to ride a bike and then when it takes too long to learn just let go of the bike while they are in mid pedal?

Talk about a tough job. I ... (Below threshold)
BarneyG2000:

Talk about a tough job. I hope this guy does not work on commission?

"It should be fun, but so far there is no fun," lamented the Iraqi tourism board director, 46-year-old Hamoud Mohsen al-Yacoubi. "When I came to this job I had black hair; now it is gray."

Of course, the biggest obstacle is the lack of security, the fact that in most of Iraq there's a good chance that Western sightseers would be kidnapped or killed by insurgents or sectarian death squads.

Yheres a good chance of tha... (Below threshold)
914:

Yheres a good chance of that in LA to Barney!....of course it would take an idiot to go sightseeing in Iraq,Iran,Syria or LA for that matter..

"Theres" obviously!! sorry<... (Below threshold)
914:

"Theres" obviously!! sorry

Obviously these attacks are... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Obviously these attacks are meant to kill people, important people given the location. A nice political statement if you can sneak a suicide bomber into the parliment building.

It's two pronged. You instill terror in the Iraqi government, and you reinforce the world-view that Iraq is lost and that a retreat is in order.

The surge has worked in many ways, but obviously more troops going house to house and staying in certain neighborhoods aren't necessarily going to stop a lone bomber from sneaking into a location previously thought safe.


I haven't heard one Left... (Below threshold)
average wizbang poster:

I haven't heard one Leftist come up with a viable solution other than leave Iraq to it's own devices. Is that it? Do we try to teach someone how to ride a bike and then when it takes too long to learn just let go of the bike while they are in mid pedal?

I haven't heard one wingnut come up with a viable solution other than stay in Iraq for an indetermined length of time without a clear plan to keep things cool. Is that it? No other countries support us, we're making troops do extended tours without equipment, and all the right wing can say is 'stay the course, everything will be just fine if we stay another 6 months, light at the end of the tunnel, dead enders, thugs and assassins, our resolve is firm, etc etc

And you riding a bike analogy is so laughable, I can hardly contain myself.

a political solution would ... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

a political solution would be in the line of more back door talks with the leaders of these insurgent groups .. not the intractable Al queda types..but the other militant groups, outside the elective parliament parties .. perhaps calling of a truce for a weekend ... maybe a laying down of some insurgent arms in exchange for amnesty.. a partial US withdrawl of some forces, from specific areas ..Syrian and Iranian coperation in reining in their support for extremists, in exchange for trade inducements or political prisoners...that sort of thing,..trying to arrange a little more stability for the Iraqis, testable, and verifiable step by step, maybe not doable, but tryable at least..It is not like much else is working.

Steve Crickmore,Go... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Steve Crickmore,

Good thinking. (I mean that non-sarcastically by the way)...though considering how well peace treaties, concessions and talks have gone with Palestinian militant groups, it's difficult to find any hope that this would bear fruit.

There is no truce with mili... (Below threshold)
914:

There is no truce with militants period..by the way on a cheery note' Imus is history..ha ha ha ha

Mantis nailed it:<... (Below threshold)
Larkin:

Mantis nailed it:

It is funny how so many war supporters think there are only two options: stay in Iraq until it becomes a utopia or RETREAT NOW!!

Why is it that the unabashed war supporters and partisan Republicans can't see that there are a lot of us who don't want to give the Iraqis a blank check forever, but also don't want to see the helicopters evacuating the US embassy ala Saigon? People like us are lost in the middle of this partisan food fight.

(Self-disclosure: I am a registered Republican turned swing voter who voted for Bush in 2000 and supported the invasion, but now believe it was a huge mistake).

Well thanks Heralder...I'm ... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Well thanks Heralder...I'm just trying to surround the problem not solve it..It seems unsolvable..But Bush gets so tiresome and unimaginative. At today's press conference, Bush: "I want to comment on today's bombing of the Iraqi parliament. First of all, I strongly condemn the action."...Is that necessary? and Bush ends "My message to the Iraqi government is we stand with you as you take the steps necessary to not only reconcile politically, but also put a security force in place that is able to deal with these kinds of people..Thank you all for coming." .It turns out it was one of the security force, a bodyguard who was the suicide bomber..and 'so it goes' ....as Kurt Vonnegut wrote.

"The terrorists know the... (Below threshold)
MyPetGloat:

"The terrorists know the Democrats want us out bad, so this attack was also meant to panic the Dems to get them to increase the pressure on President Bush and expedite their efforts to get our troops out of Iraq."

Was there some type of recent document discovery where teh terrists are in collusion with Deomcrats?

No. Its guilt by association. Patently lazy and deliberately ignorant. Did you get a two for one mail-order diploma coupon, journalism and gun repair?

Our fearless leader speaks:... (Below threshold)
Larkin:

Our fearless leader speaks:

"It reminds us though that there is an enemy willing to bomb innocent people in a symbol of democracy," Bush said.

No kidding? I sure couldn't tell that there was an enemy willing to bomb innocent people in Iraq after the last four years in which 50,000 Iraqis and 3,300 of our heroes have been killed in your war of choice. Thanks for clearing that up for us Mr. President.

Was there some type of ... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Was there some type of recent document discovery where teh terrists are in collusion with Deomcrats?

No, not at all, MPG. They just know exactly how Dems will respond/react (i.e., "withdraw" or "see! Bush's surge plan is failing") which is exactly what AQI, Sadr and others want. Hence the reason for bombing such a high-value, highly visible target as the Iraqi Parliament.

Now what part of that don't you get. Or are you just patently lazy and deliberately ignorant/dumb.

(Please note the lack of question marks in the last paragraph.)

"a political solution would... (Below threshold)
brainy435:

"a political solution would be in the line of more back door talks with the leaders of these insurgent groups .. not the intractable Al queda types..but the other militant groups, outside the elective parliament parties .. perhaps calling of a truce for a weekend ... maybe a laying down of some insurgent arms in exchange for amnesty.. a partial US withdrawl of some forces, from specific areas ..Syrian and Iranian coperation in reining in their support for extremists, in exchange for trade inducements or political prisoners...that sort of thing,..trying to arrange a little more stability for the Iraqis, testable, and verifiable step by step, maybe not doable, but tryable at least..It is not like much else is working."
Steve Crickmore

You prefer this because it worked so well with Arafat and Palestine? That's the pitiful part about people like Steve, Barney, Lee et al: They cheerfully declare Iraq a failure after only four years, but would be ecstatic to return to policies that were proven failures over a much longer period of time. Like, say, since 1979.

brainy435:Shouldn'... (Below threshold)
Larkin:

brainy435:

Shouldn't it be obvious by now that we cannot defeat Al Qaeda in Iraq if the Sunnis continue to provide support for them? We need the Sunnis to root out the Al Qaeda; they know the neighborhood, they speak the lingo and they can pick the Al Qaeda out of a crowd in Ramadi. As good as our troops are they will never be able to do that.

And given that the single demand of the Sunnis is that we commit to a timetable for withdrawal isn't it reasonable to assume that a viable plan for defeating Al Qaeda in Iraq involves these items:

1) a timetable for withdrawal
2) a commitment by the Sunni insurgents to assist in eradicating the Al Qaeda elements in Iraq
3) autonomy for the Sunnis (leading eventually to a breakup of the country).

Some of us are trying to think of a way out of this mess while the President and the rest of you partisan Republicans (and indeed many of the Dem leaders) are just trying to score political points. The undeniable fact is that we must eventually withdraw; our presence in Iraq is untenable for the long term.

The question is how to do that without giving Al Qaeda a new base of operations. If you insist that we will never withdraw and can never discuss a timetable then you are guaranteeing our ultimate defeat and the sight of the helicopters evacuating people out of the Green Zone that most of us do not want to see.


Larkin:We need ... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Larkin:

We need the Sunnis to root out the Al Qaeda...

That's already happening.

2) a commitment by the Sunni insurgents to assist in eradicating the Al Qaeda elements in Iraq

That makes ZERO sense. Sunni insurgents ARE largely comprised of AQI.

3) autonomy for the Sunnis (leading eventually to a breakup of the country)

No, it's not reasonable at all. Why should a minority that oppressively and violently ran the country for 30+ years be given special treatment? The fact is that those Sunni wishing to participate in the government are doing so presently. They have a choice (and it IS a black anbd white issue): participate in the government and be part of the Reconcilliation or not. Hell, and Maliki just went to Ramadi last week as a part of the Reconcilliation plan.

The fact that the Sunni are beginning to root out AQI speaks volumes to their desires for peace and cooperation.

If you insist that we will never withdraw and can never discuss a timetable then you are guaranteeing our ultimate defeat...

That's some tortured logic there, Lark. How can one possibly discuss a timetable when it's clear the Iraqi government is largely incapable of defending itself?

And who said NEVER withdraw? To my knowledge no one's ever uttered the words "never".

Finally, defeat is leaving that fledging government incapable of defending itself and having AQI turn Baghdad into a FOB for terrorists.

and the sight of the helicopters evacuating people out of the Green Zone ....

Ain't gonna happen. AQI is NOT the NVA by a long stretch. And neither is the Mahdi "Amry".

I really think many of you could stand to read The Iraq Reports that have appeared in the Weekly Standard and contain VERY detailed military reports of exactly what is going on during the "surge" (aka: The Baghdad Security Plan). I know it'll pain some of you to go to the WS and access an article there (just as it pains me to go to The Nation every day, but I do it, I swear), but I'd recommend it for those who really want to know what's going on:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/013/493fplgc.asp

I'm outta here to go knock back a few with the wife and friends.

The audience here ... (Below threshold)
Publicus:
The audience here wasn't just the Iraqi people and the Iraqi government. The terrorists know the Democrats want us out bad, so this attack was also meant to panic the Dems to get them to increase the pressure on President Bush and expedite their efforts to get our troops out of Iraq.

Where to begin?!

1. This isn't the first suicide attack; I recall them going back a LONG time.

2. The Democrats aren't the only people who are wary of this war, and ready to get out. I know many of you don't believe in polls, but the fact is this is becoming a very, very unpopular war.

3. Doesn't it suggest to you that, in fact, attacks within the Green Zone are, in fact, NOT a good sign for the surge? (i.e. evidence that the area isn't successfully being secured?)

Larkin, I refuse to listen ... (Below threshold)
brainy435:

Larkin, I refuse to listen to an idiot that can't look at a goddamn map or a goddamn calendar and realize that Iraq is not Vietnam. It was dumb when Afghanistan was the "new Vietnam," and is utterly contemptible now that Iraq is the "NEW new Vietnam." It's not the 70's anymore, put the bong down and step away.

Deep breath.

Apart from not giving a damn what the Sunnis "demand," the Kurds and the Shiites would like us to not abandon them again to those murderous thugs. And, especially in the case of the Kurds, I'll take more stock in the people not blowing innocent people up.

One quick post earlier...th... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

One quick post earlier...then working all day, oh well.

The whole leftist nonsense here, and across the U.S boils down to this: "In this day and age we should be able to precisely know exactly how long we must fight, and the perfect manner in which to do so (to avoid harming bunnies and puppies). After all, we know PRECISELY what the temperature will be on August 4, 2049 in Thule, Greenland!"

Wowser.

Of course, in REALITY (a place Leftists have HEARD of but would never consider visiting) we USED TO consider fighting until we won!! (see American History to 1950)

History buffs...look up the world situation in 1942. Right up until the Battle of Midway the WORLD situation looked utterly UNWINNABLE. Utterly. Every "defeatist" would have cashed in at that point. Every one.

The "match" against Radical Islam CAN be postponed. It CANNOT be cancelled!!

Fight it there or fight it here. it WILL be fought!

Oak Leaf: "This is NOT a... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Oak Leaf: "This is NOT a Conservative or Libertarian problem."

The White House is still occupied by Republicans, the same Republicans who the vast majority of conservatives voted in the last Presidential election....

It's no surprise if true conservatives and libertarians now want to distance themselves from Bush's failures, but (a) you elected this clown, and (b) you claimed him as one of your own.

Are you now going to suggest that if you could turn back the clock to November 2, 2004, to that moment when you pulled the polling booth lever for Bush, you'd make a different choice, knowing what you now know about Bush's ineptitude?

Naw. You're not going to suggest that. You're just going to rely on the fact that although you elected Bush, supporting him in 200 and 2004, the fact that you are now sitting on your hands claiming he's not a true conservative absolves you of the fact that you are indeed sitting on your hands doing nothing to rectify the situation you created.

Is THAT an accurate depiction of the true conservative's modus operandi on April 12, 2007?

brainy435...I am not willin... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

brainy435...I am not willing to throw in the towel on the surge idea.. You are right, it is too early..And there are some positive signs, and Bush has now and better experienced commanders in place in Iraq..But just like the Israelis in dealing with the Intifadas..they had to negotiate prisoner exchanges, some land for peace gestures...You have to give the insurgents something (not Al Queda)..there are too many of them and they have too much tacit support from their communities.

"But just like the Israelis... (Below threshold)
brainy435:

"But just like the Israelis in dealing with the Intifadas..they had to negotiate prisoner exchanges, some land for peace gestures...You have to give the insurgents something (not Al Queda)..there are too many of them and they have too much tacit support from their communities."

Again, what, exactly, has Israel gotten from these tactics that can be viewed positively? They didn't end the intifadas, just emboldened Hamas.

Alternately, when we tried to deal with, or at least ignore, al Sadr, that didn't exactly work in our favor, either. I just don't understand the insistance that we need to use tactics that have demonstrably failed...and failed miserably...in the recent past.

Well, what do you know? The... (Below threshold)
brainy435:

Well, what do you know? The MSM LIED about the suicide attack. Seems the parliment building was not in the "green zone" after all. We turned it over to the Iraqis in 2006.




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