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Michael Moore is Sick

The New York Post is reporting Michael Moore's latest stunt. Link via Drudge.

Filmmaker Michael Moore's production company took ailing Ground Zero responders to Cuba in a stunt aimed at showing that the U.S. health-care system is inferior to Fidel Castro's socialized medicine, according to several sources with knowledge of the trip.

The trip was to be filmed as part of the controversial director's latest documentary, "Sicko," an attack on American drug companies and HMOs that Moore hopes to debut at the Cannes Film Festival next month.

Two years in the making, the flick also takes aim at the medical care being provided to people who worked on the toxic World Trade Center debris pile, according to several 9/11 workers approached by Moore's producers.

But the sick sojourn, which some say uses ill 9/11 workers as pawns, has angered many in the responder community.


Update: My post title is a reference to Moore's movie title, "Sicko" and to his past as a dishonest movie maker and all around jerk. Just a couple of the reasons I have such a low opinion of Moore can be found here and here.


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Comments (61)

And I doubt he took them to... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

And I doubt he took them to a Cuban hospital, but probably to one of the ones used by tourists.

"But the sick sojourn, w... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"But the sick sojourn, which some say uses ill 9/11 workers as pawns, has angered many in the responder community."

Doesn't Moore know that kidnapping and dragging these workers to Cuba is not going to help his cause at all? What? You mean they went willingly, actually were happy to go? What's the problem here?

From the linked article:

Some called the trip a success, at least logistics-wise.

"From what I heard through the grapevine, those people that went are utterly happy," said John Feal, who runs the Fealgood Foundation to help raise money for responders and was approached by Moore to find responders willing to take the trip.

"They got the Elvis treatment."

Oh, that explains it - the problem is that Moore was apparently successful in getting help for these heroes.

Damn, right on cue Lee...yo... (Below threshold)

Damn, right on cue Lee...you know, I work in healthcare and would never trade this country for Cuba and I think a lot of people would agree.

I wonder if they got to see... (Below threshold)

I wonder if they got to see the abject poverty, the sorry state of infrastructure and the dilapidated historical buildings while they were there? I wonder if their were any Cubans shunted aside for this publicity stunt?

VW

Via Drudge? -- then you can... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

Via Drudge? -- then you can take it with a grain of salt. Was Michael Ware present, giggling?

took ailing Ground... (Below threshold)
Publicus:
took ailing Ground Zero responders to Cuba

He kidnapped those people and took them to Cuba against their will?! That's awful.

Of course, if they chose to go, that would be different...BTW, how did our healthcare system treat those people?

"I work in healthcare an... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"I work in healthcare and would never trade this country for Cuba and I think a lot of people would agree"

Count me among them, Steve. I recently spent four days in the hospital and the bill amounted to just over $150,000. I received excellent care, and my portion of the final bill was a $50 co-pay. I wouldn't trade what I have here for the free care in Cuba.

Fact is, however, that the the Cuban health care system has going through some recent improvements, and according to the article:

Responders were told Cuban doctors had developed new techniques for treating lung cancer and other respiratory illness, and that health care in the communist country was free, according to those offered the two-week February trip.

Cuba has made recent advancements in biotechnology and exports its cancer treatments to 40 countries around the world, raking in an estimated $100 million a year, according to The Associated Press.

In 2004 the U.S. government granted an exception to its economic embargo against Cuba and allowed a California drug company to test three cancer vaccines developed in Havana, according to the AP.

One of the "disgruntled" workers quoted in the article was disgruntled because he was interviewed by the Moore production company and told he could go, but then was left behind and not taken when the trip to Cuba actually happened.

Solid advances in Cuban health care, 9/11 workers who received the "Elvis treatment", and "disgruntled workers" who are unhappy because they didn't get to go? DAMN THAT MICHAEL MOORE!

Lorie's Liberal Derangement Syndrome is out of control.

Follow up question: which i... (Below threshold)
Publicus:

Follow up question: which is a less reliable source of "information", Drudge or the NY Post? (I understand they used the front page today to heckle the seriously injured governor of NJ today; sharp.).

Lee:Oh, that e... (Below threshold)
marc:

Lee:

Oh, that explains it - the problem is that Moore was apparently successful in getting help for these heroes.

Fidel was successful in getting help also. But not via his own dilapidated system it was via a Spanish doctor flown in just for "his highness." And not just any riff-raff doctor, he was Jose Luis Garcma Sabrido, a chief surgeon at a Madrid hospital.

Lee, here's what you are pitifully trying to defend in the words and images provided by a Cuban
and not one of Fidels or Raul's sycophants. (I'm lookin' at YOU MM!)

Does anyone (excluding lee ... (Below threshold)
Dave:

Does anyone (excluding lee cause i alreadyknow his answer) actually think these people would have received "elvis treatment" if there wasn't a free propaganda piece in it for Cuber and Castro? I bet those people wouldn't be allowed in the country, or if they were they would be chucked into prison for illegal immigration if moore wasn't following with video cameras trying to make money off of someone elses pain.

Adrian BrowneV... (Below threshold)
marc:

Adrian Browne

Via Drudge? -- then you can take it with a grain of salt. Was Michael Ware present, giggling?

Not sure about Michael Ware (not that it matters he's not the topic) but there are more than a few laughing at you for your knee-jerk reaction to seeing an, OMG a drudge link, and ignoring the NYP link that IS the one that details to story.

"Nice" job, and thinks for the "giggles."

Having been to Cuba legally... (Below threshold)
horse:

Having been to Cuba legally, and having seen parts of their health care system as an observer and as a patient I can say it is a very good system for a developing 3rd world country, but it is no where near the capability and capacity of the US system.

It is low cost because there are no salaries for the professionals, no lawsuits, lower levels of technology, etc... The result is a system that is good at primary care with limits on specialized/advanced care.

Moore is just another disingenuous liberal fatty that would do and say anything to get what he wants to force down other people's throats.

There have been many, many ... (Below threshold)
jp2:

There have been many, many documentaries of people going to Cuba for better health care in comparison to the US.

Why this stunt is different?

Because he is fat.

The NY Post = The National ... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

The NY Post = The National Enquirer

Matt Drudge = Weekly World News

Publicus Follo... (Below threshold)
marc:

Publicus

Follow up question: which is a less reliable source of "information", Drudge or the NY Post? (I understand they used the front page today to heckle the seriously injured governor of NJ today; sharp.).

Following your "follow up," which is more reliable Drudge, the NYP or Michael Moore's own website?

jp2There have ... (Below threshold)
marc:

jp2

There have been many, many documentaries of people going to Cuba for better health care in comparison to the US. Why this stunt is different?
Because he is fat.

Name them, let us judge them for ourselves.

His stunt isn't criticized because he's FAT (although factually he is, maybe he should have gotten a liposuction while there) it's because of the factually devoid 9/11 flic.

Adrian Browne ... (Below threshold)
marc:

Adrian Browne

The NY Post = The National Enquirer

Matt Drudge = Weekly World News

Adrian Browne = Disingenuous Daily Herald

We could probably fix a lot... (Below threshold)
tyree:

We could probably fix a lot of the problems in the system by eliminating the "right to sue" the medical system. Almost everyone who goes overseas for medical care has to sign away that "right" before they can be treated. Thousands of people do it every month. They would rather support the medical profession in Thailand or Mexico than the lawsuit industry in the USA. It will be interesting to see how many half truths and lies Michael is able to squeeze into this future Oscar winner.

marc:Check out blo... (Below threshold)
jp2:

marc:

Check out bloodletting, salud. Lots more. Lots of news documentaries about the differences as well. I think Moore did one earlier in his career on TV nation. He's been making the comparisons for a decade.

I'm not sure you should be making fun of fat people though - some of the people on this site are overweight and they might take offense.

The question that needs to ... (Below threshold)
Chris G:

The question that needs to be aasked is, didd they go to the same hospital that everyone else uses, or the one Castro and state officials go to.

Any moron would know the two are not same. But that is Moore's style: Be an asshole while being a liar to boot. Let's review his Greatest Hits

1. Of course Farenhiet 9/11 was a campaign hit piece. Moore is the master of the voice over and cut clip, showing a scene but playing audio that did not occur with the scene. This was the case of Moore playing a preceding scene relating to "terrorism" the showing Bush on the golf course, impying that after the US was attacked by terrorists, Bush was smiling playing golf. But a review of the whole scene reveals that Bush was answering a question about Palestanian suicide bomber killing Israelis in a market a few days earlier.

Then there is the Bush and My Pet Goat sequence, which implies Bush was some dolt paralyzed by fear. Well you know what, that's a pretty understandable reaction. Particualrly since he was in a room full of kids. The teacher also remarked how she was impressed with with how calm Bush was able to remain.

Who can forget the Uno-Cal and Enron references, but the failure to note Uno-Cal's presence in Afghanastain occured during the Clinton administration (1995), or that Enron donated 100K to the Democratic party after Clinton secured a $25 Million bribe, I mean gift to India for an Enron plant in that country.

Also not mentioned was Clinton's Treasury man Richard Rubin (and Clinton for that matter) involvement with Enron.

2. This is the Moore that railed on about greedy oil companies, but failed to mention that at the time of his outrage, he owned thousands of shares of Haliburton and Sunoco stock. He qualifies the statement by saying HE didn't own any stock. Which is true. It is Michael Moore's foundation that owned the stock.

3. Moore teamed with the Kerry campaign and Cindy Sheehan to vampire funerals of returning soldiers to find families of troops to speak out against Bush. It was basically a triangulated attack, that Kerry to this day has never acknowledged, but has the aaudacity to pitch a fit about the Swift Boat Vets campaiging against him.

4. Moore hates this country, and loves advertising it's flaws, but is the consumate capitalist and actually lives like the Republicans he vilifies.

Marc,Sorry if I stru... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

Marc,
Sorry if I struck a raw nerve -- I won't mock the The National Enquirer, the Weekly World News, Matt Drudge, or The New York Post again.

(Helpful Hint: in order for your quip to work don't make up the name of the publication as you did here when you compared me to "Disingenuous Daily Herald" -- it doesn't make sense.)

"This is the Moore that rai... (Below threshold)
jp2:

"This is the Moore that railed on about greedy oil companies, but failed to mention that at the time of his outrage, he owned thousands of shares of Haliburton and Sunoco stock."

Link, please.

Lorie, it's interesting tha... (Below threshold)
cat:

Lorie, it's interesting that you quote from the New York Post. What did you think of the NYP's front page on Saturday?

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04142007/frontback.htm

Did you find that to be in good taste? Did the Post's boisterous sense of humor give you have a good chuckle?

Heh, heh. Elvis was happy ... (Below threshold)
kim:

Heh, heh. Elvis was happy with his medical treatment, too. And Soros is happy to put 2% of his fortune into Halliburton stock.
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Yeah, great joke on the cov... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

Yeah, great joke on the cover of the NY Post.

Here's another:

Gov. Corzine didn't sustain any brain damage so he won't be switching political parties.

jp2:<a href="http:... (Below threshold)
lightwave:

jp2:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/11/3/150518.shtml

"In his book "Stupid White Men," he wrote: "I don't own a single share of stock.

He repeated the claim in a 1997 letter to the online magazine Salon, saying: "I don't own any stock."

Privately, however, he tells the IRS a different story, Schweizer discloses in his book.

The year that Moore claimed in "Stupid White Men" that he didn't own any stock, he told the IRS that a foundation totally controlled by Moore and his wife had more than $280,000 in corporate stock and nearly $100,000 in corporate bonds."

Did you really just link to... (Below threshold)
jp2:

Did you really just link to Newsmax? And the source to that article was a book called "Profiles in Liberal Hypocrisy"?

Were you serious?

Pathetic. Evidence please.

I thought he already was a ... (Below threshold)
horse:

I thought he already was a democrat?

Michael Moore is an educate... (Below threshold)
nikkolai:

Michael Moore is an educated, healthy and very handsome man.
Cuba is a worker's paradise.
North Korea is far more properous than South Korea.
Iran is very peaceful and wishes no harm to the U.S. or Israel.
Socialism always works better than capitalism.
Most dictators and terrorists are "just like us"--they have families and just want to get along.

Sincerely,

American Leftist
(I'm the one with the Barney Fife build, pony tail and bald spot--and I'm always mad as hell at something, even though I live in the richest and freeist nation in history.)

"Evidence please."</... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"Evidence please."

I looked around, and the only claim regarding the Foundation (which is called Center for Alternative Media) and the ownership of stock is contained in Schweizer's book. No one else makes that claim, they just repeat his claim.

His claim, however, is apparently backed by a copy of IRS return which is reportedly on the front cover of his book.

I also couldn't find any link or quote where Moore denies the claim.

jp2<a href="http:/... (Below threshold)
Chris G:

jp2

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3773
This site quotes Worldnetdaily.net.

Now you have to ask yourself the following questions

1. Does or have Michael Moore ever owned Halliburton/Sunoco stock? If he has not, then this is an open and shut case for libel. And considering the "army of lawyers" he had on hand to direct to any person that "slandered" his content in Farenheit 9/11, you would have to be a complete idiot to not think he would use lawyers to attack a person that published a false statement about him

2. Why discredit Newsmax? True, they are a conservative, but they are not immune from defamation laws. Either the story is true, or it's false. Defamation laws in this country are pretty clear concerning media that publish false statements, with the knowledge they are false, or refuses to retract false statements.

3. Note how Moore says "I have never owned a share of stock". Yet, he has never denied his foundation does not ir has not owned said stock. And considering most foundations are non-profit, there is a lower tax burden for Moore's foundation if it is not for profit. What is the prupose of the foundation? Who is the recipient for its philanthropy? Why does Moore not promote his foundation, since he is for the little guy? Why does Moore use a foundation to obtain shares of stock, receive the benefit of the capital gain, but is protected from tax laws of the non=profit organization. This is important since Moore is on record in a live interview of believing the rich should be taxed up to 60% of their income.

jp2I'm not sur... (Below threshold)
marc:

jp2

I'm not sure you should be making fun of fat people though - some of the people on this site are overweight and they might take offense.

Who made fun of them? Not I, just made a factual ref to Moore being fat (that you previously eluded to) and gave him some medical advice, (he should have gotten liposuction in Cuda)

If I would have had any desire to poke fun at the fat assed Moore I would have called him a testosterone enhanced Rosie who suffers from an acute case of IMS, has had a permanent cranial sphincter muscle reversal that has chocked off enough of his blood supply to the brain resulting in so much damage he couldn't make an honest movie about his mother.

nikkolai, you omitted one:<... (Below threshold)
marc:

nikkolai, you omitted one:

Chavez is a benign dictator who only desires to help those poor poor people of Harlem with their winter heating bills.

What you don't believe it?!!!

Just ask Harry Belafonte and the Sheehag. And Fidel

jp2:"Did you re... (Below threshold)
lightwave:

jp2:

"Did you really just link to Newsmax? And the source to that article was a book called "Profiles in Liberal Hypocrisy"?

Were you serious?

Pathetic. Evidence please."

A backhanded response with closed eyes. You don't even bother to do your own research, even to find out about an author's background or experience. Other people have to do it for you. My guess is your response would be the same with any link given to you. Indeed, pathetic.

I wonder if Michael Moore w... (Below threshold)
Jo:

I wonder if Michael Moore will feature things like this in his documentary which will no doubt glorify socialized medicine. (Ewwwwwww....)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/health/healthmain.html?in_article_id=448395&in_page_id=1774


I recently spent four da... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

I recently spent four days in the hospital and the bill amounted to just over $150,000. I received excellent care, and my portion of the final bill was a $50 co-pay. I wouldn't trade what I have here for the free care in Cuba.

Fact is, however, that the the Cuban health care system has going through some recent improvements, and according to the article....


Just out of curiosity, what was it? I'm fairly certain you didn't pay $50 (even on an HMO) on a $150K hospital bill.

I had a stent placed in my heart at the cost of $32,000 pre co-pay. I ended up with a $3000 bill with my PPO.

Who is your insurance company, please.

I can't imagine anything be... (Below threshold)

I can't imagine anything being any good in Cuba, except for the many cool 1950's Packards and Chevys still on the streets.

However some aspects of the American health care system could be faulted in a serious analysis, such as rapidly increasing costs and large numbers of uninsured Americans and questionable product development and marketing techniques.

The pharmaceutical industry keeps developing overpriced new replacements for effective safer older medications such as a 10 cent ibuprofen with $6 each overpriced and less safe modern arthritis drugs simply because the market rewards such conduct. Further the pharmaceutical industry then heavily advetises these expensive new drugs on TV, reversing the classical doctor-patient relationship, where patients now diagnose their own illnesses, and then tell doctors which overpriced drugs advertised on TV that they think they should be prescribed. In the old days, a doctor was paid to professionally diagnose illness, and then prescribe the appropriate medications.

And America's for profit health care system inspires the buliding of new high tech diagnosis systems, such as the MRI and CAT scan systems, but at the cost of hundreds of dollars up to $2,500 for these procedures, these expensive medical diagnosis systems are not always used when they should be, and insurance companies often balk at paying.

There is plenty of room for Michael Moore to raise serious questions about how profiteering both improves and ruins the American health care system, but the stunt of sending some medical patients to Cuba makes no sense at all.

I have been to Cuba with a ... (Below threshold)
Robert the Original:

I have been to Cuba with a US athletic team that required frequent visits to Cuban hospitals for drug testing and minor ailments. I have spent many hours there.

Having been lectured by liberals for years about the "fabulous" medical system in Cuba I was eager to see for myself.

Here's the deal. By Cuban standards, medical is about the best thing they have going. By US standards, it sucks.

You have to understand that their economy has been tanked for so long they cannot afford toilet seats, new cars or even paint for their buildings.

In that context, even though they place a high priority on medical, the equipment used is very old.

I would not advise a trip to Cuba, it is illegal to begin with and it is a police State. They only want you to come for your money and you will suffer every possible scheme to separate it from you.

Chavez, Castro and Moore - together again.

Moore, the director of Colu... (Below threshold)
kim:

Moore, the director of Columbine, hires armed guards. He is a poster boy for liberal cognitive dissonance, but he is too stupid to notice the irony.
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If Cuba is so great, then w... (Below threshold)
LCDR MacKay:

If Cuba is so great, then why in the hell would they leave paradise to come to the States, often at extreme risk with their choice of transportation??

GOOD for Mr Moore!! Can't w... (Below threshold)
kiyt:

GOOD for Mr Moore!! Can't wait to see SICKO!!!!!!!!!!

Would Michael Moore seek Cu... (Below threshold)
kim:

Would Michael Moore seek Cuban treatment or Sloan-Kettering, if push came to shove?
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Watch the Left's reaction t... (Below threshold)
Faith+1:

Watch the Left's reaction to Cuba's health plan for HIV positive/full blown AIDS sufferers. When they are all quarantined in colonies like lepers of old will they still sing the praises of 'socialized medicine'. Just remember, 'socialized' means you no longer get to say whether you can have treatment or not--whether you live or not. And it goes back years in Cuba.

http://www.aegis.com/news/Lt/1988/LT881104.html

I'm not trying to argue the point of whether a quarantine was good/bad/indifferent. I'm trying to point out what the reaction from the Left would be if the US had rounded up every gay man or woman who tested positive and every drug user. I'd add in those infected via transfusions/accidents etc except I doubt the Left would have cared about those folks.

marc: "I would have called ... (Below threshold)
nikkolai:

marc: "I would have called him a testosterone enhanced Rosie..."

The hell he is--he's just like me, only fatter. And we are proud to be girly-men.

Sincerely,
The Barney Fife looking lefty guy with a pony tail and receding hairline

If the US would cap monetar... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

If the US would cap monetary awards our healthcare will still be the worlds best but more affordabel. If the US would do something about illegal immigatation, hospitals would not have to budget for a loss every year. If drug companies were protected from law suits, the R&D would continue but they would not have to budget for their losses plus retaining huge attorney firms.

Cuba can use experimental drugs on cancer patients because they have no worry about the above. ww

Peter F (to Lee): "Who i... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Peter F (to Lee): "Who is your insurance company, please."

Kaiser Permanente. I got two drug-coated stents in each of two arteries, and was in the hospital for four days. Since they were were working on two arteries they had to split it up into two procedures with a day's rest in between.

The $50 co-pay was for the emergency room, the rest of the bill was covered 100%.

Well, maybe I personally ha... (Below threshold)
Publicus:

Well, maybe I personally haven't had problems with our healthcare system, but the millions of people who are uninsured aren't having such a good time. Neither are the people who might lose their insurance due to the rising costs.

There IS a problem. Of course, Cuba's healthcare system isn't the solution. But, since Moore is a filmmaker, he's using Cuba as a visually interesting way to tell the story.

Chris G - Again, no evidenc... (Below threshold)
jp2:

Chris G - Again, no evidence on your Moore charges.

Tax returns of foundations are very common and easy to get. Find some evidence and we'll talk.

Firstly: Michael Moore's fo... (Below threshold)

Firstly: Michael Moore's foundation most recent tax filing: http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2005/382/415/2005-382415253-028faec4-F.pdf

feel free to scroll to the end for a list of assets.

Secondly: to the guy who allegedly paid a mere $50 co-pay; even if that is true, where did the rest of the money come from? The hospital got paid. You paid the bill in the form of lowered wages, less wage increases, taxes and premiums. Your hospital stay was not $50.

jp2,Considering I ... (Below threshold)
Chris G:

jp2,

Considering I outlined 4 reasons why Michael Moore is a liar and should not be taken seriously, and you are contesting one arugement, I'll accomodate you, but at your own expense. If you have $15 bucks to spare, go buy Do As I Say (Not As I Do): Profiles in Liberal Hypocrisy. It is thoroughly researched, and includes copies of documents. And as I said, anything in print that is false is the basis for libel.

If you are inferring because CNN, CBS, and NBC did not report means that it did not occur, you're more intentionaally obtuse than I thought. CNN was the same channel that had Begala and Carville doing a show, while working on the Kerry Campaign. CBS contacted the Kerry camapaign (as they admitted in their own report) to broker a meeting between the provider of the forged documents and the Kerry campaign. And ABC is ABC.

If you mean proof as in me providing a copy of Moore's tax return, of course I don't have it. Granted, your standard of proof for people with D's after their name is almost insumountable, while the standard of proof for someone with a R after their name is if it is basically read off of a bathroom stall.

But, the proof you demand is in existence. If you really want it that is.

getting back to the origina... (Below threshold)
thecomputerguy:

getting back to the original story, something to keep in mind about medical claims is the "placebo effect".

It is a documented fact that for any illness, if a number of patients believe that they are receiving an effective treatment, for some of the them, their symptoms will improve - whether it is caused by the actual treatment or not. Any legitimate medical treatment has to include control subjects, and double-blind validation to prevent abuse.

I have no doubt that if MM took a group of people to Cuba, that some percentage of them will have some improvement of their symptoms.

And if some of the "sufferers" had political motivation to claim that their symptoms got better after the trip... or at least understood the significance of claiming that it did, that would leave me highly skeptical.

If he wants to conduct a study, and publish the results to a peer-reviewed journal for review, then after that, maybe he has something worthwhile to say... if he's showboating for the dem's, them he can go to hell.

Lee;Well, sincerel... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Lee;

Well, sincerely, I'm glad you're OK. I can obviously relate since I have one in my heart, too. (I also had an angioplasty in 2000 after a "minor" heart attack--minor, my ass--at age 33.) So really and truly, I hope you're doing better. Drug-coated stents are great, but your body can also reject them within the first year, so pay attention to pains in your chest and don't be afraid to call the doc if you do, OK? I may hate your politics but I'd rather have you around to debate than not.

Kaiser covers 100%??? I'm shocked, really and truly! Coming from California most of life, I couldn't stand KP. If what you say is true, I'm a little PO'ed at Aetna at the moment. *chuckle*

Thanks Peter. I'm taking me... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Thanks Peter. I'm taking medications that are supposed to reduce the scarring whihc is possible with stents. I'm also taking blood thinners which I suspect you are taking as well. Thanks for you remarks -- and I wish you the best health possible also.

re: KP -- their reputation has greatly improved in the last several years, and I have no complaints. I think they offer plans in Washington also.

Jaz King: I checked the return you linked and couldn't find any listing of specific stocks owned - so maybe the claim the Moore owned Halliburton etc, is false after all?

There is plenty of... (Below threshold)
There is plenty of room for Michael Moore to raise serious questions about how profiteering both improves and ruins the American health care system, but the stunt of sending some medical patients to Cuba makes no sense at all.

Sure it does. Moore is making a political point first, and getting those people the help they need second.

It's just a stunt.

If his chief concern was helping the victims, he'd take them to some European country, some place whose medical infrastructure was better than Cuba's, which shouldn't be too hard to find.

Lee:Enjoy your "ch... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Lee:

Enjoy your "cholesterol cocktail", as I like to call it. Here's mine:

Morning: Plavix (enjoy the easy bruising side affects), Cozaar (for blood pressure) and aspirin. Night: Vytorin (which I can't recommend enough; i had memory loss and muscle pain with Lipitor) and 2000mg of Niaspan (flushing is always an interesting side effect) each night.

Yup, KP is in here in WA. My guess is that the premiums for KP must too cost prohibitive for my company. Oh well. (Turns out my deductable was $1000; not the 80% I was thinking about earlier. I'll blame Lipitor...lol)

Ditto on Plavix -- now I br... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Ditto on Plavix -- now I bruise when the wind blows harder than 15 mph.

Ditto on Plavix -- now I br... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Ditto on Plavix -- now I bruise when the wind blows harder than 15 mph.

Ditto on Plavix -- now I br... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Ditto on Plavix -- now I bruise when the wind blows harder than 15 mph.

Dittos run amok! (sorry)</p... (Below threshold)
Lee:

Dittos run amok! (sorry)

So, Lee and Publicus have a... (Below threshold)
MikeSC:

So, Lee and Publicus have a warm spot in their heart for Castro. Color me shocked.

Did you really just link to Newsmax? And the source to that article was a book called "Profiles in Liberal Hypocrisy"?

The book has his tax return on it showing the stocks.

There IS a problem. Of course, Cuba's healthcare system isn't the solution. But, since Moore is a filmmaker, he's using Cuba as a visually interesting way to tell the story.

No, he is doing it because he literally hates America and loathes Americans.
-=Mike
...If Bush quarantined for AIDS patients to have them die in solitude or locked up more opponents of his, I'm sure Lee and Publicus would be more supportive...

Forget the cubans, Castro, ... (Below threshold)
Linda May:

Forget the cubans, Castro, Moore, and such.
Richest country i n history? bologny. Think Kuwait; learn a little.
However, richest is not always happiest, is it? I have never seen a happy conservative. There is always a conspiracy of some sort going on. Capitalism-socialism is all semantics when it comes to real life. Philosophy can clearly define each one. And yet...Denmark is happiest country int he world! What is Denmark? Socialised medicine and education but last time I've checked it defined its economy as capitalistic...
Someone here ended up with a $50 bill after a hospital stay. Well, no longer than yesterday a woman has died on waiting room floor...in EMERGENCY CARE facility! She was vomiting blood and no one has helped her...911 received numerous calls from emergency room patients screaming for help...but guess what...the trouble was she was in the greatest americal hospital already! Does she care what her bill looks like now? My husband passed away. Long after I was harassed by one of the best hospitals in the country for a $2,400 tab. Not bad, eh? Think about $2,500 I had already paid by then.
I am the centrist, sometimes i lean right, sometimes i lean left. I don't think of Cuba as a paradise on Earth, I don't think of US as being evil. There are things everywhere we have to aknowledge and maybe every once in a while that in some areas some people are ahead of us.
Peace.




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