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Illinois State Senator Introduces Stricter Gun Control Laws

State Senator Dan Kotowski pushed for stricter gun control laws a mere two hours after the mass murder at Virginia Tech, acknowledging that he didn't even have all the details at the time:

Mannard, a gun control advocate, admits he doesn't have all the facts surrounding the Virginia Tech shootings. But, he says all he needs to know is that handguns were used in the murders of 33 people.


"Guns, in general, are part of the reason why we have some many people dying in these types of situations," he said.

Monday. less than two hours after the gunfire had ended, Chicago Mayor Richard Daley used the incident to press his call for stricter gun laws.

"I don't care what people think about it. There are too many guns in our society" the mayor said.

Other advocates point to how easy it was for shooting suspect Cho Seung Hui to buy handguns, including a 16-shot semi-automatic pistol, at rural Virginia gun stores during the past month.

State Senator Dan Kotowski has introduced a bill in Springfield to limit gun industry sales of not only assault weapons, but also large capacity magazines in Illinois.

"There is no accountability for the gun industry or the lobby that supports them, the NRA," said Sen. Dan Kotowski of Mt. Prospect.

When will there be outrage toward the lunatic who viciously and callously murdered innocent people on Monday? Putting the blame on guns rather than on the perpetrators encourages the dangerous mentality that lunatics like Seung-Hui Cho carry around with them, which is that the problems in their lives are always someone else's fault. To these ticking timebombs, they truly believe that they don't have any personal responsibility for their actions. They have convinced themselves that other people have driven or forced them to kill people. What gun control supporters refuse to acknowledge is that Kotowski's bill will just reinforce this sickness because it puts all the blame on guns and not on the perpetrator where it belongs. At the same time, it strips law abiding citizens the ability to protect themselves from these sick people.


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Comments (35)

Kim: you seem to be mixing ... (Below threshold)

Kim: you seem to be mixing things up. The admission of not having all the facts that attribute to the sponsor of the legislation was actually made by a gun control advocate, and the two hour time frame you mention is the (little) time it took the mayor to get on his soapbox, and not necessarily the amount of time it took to introduce the legislatioin.

Riiiight...great so instead... (Below threshold)

Riiiight...great so instead of enforcing the current laws in place, that are not enforce...they will make up new laws that will not be implemented..

http://www.americanlegends.blogspot.com/

"What gun control suppor... (Below threshold)
Lee:

"What gun control supporters refuse to acknowledge is that Kotowski's bill will just reinforce this sickness because it puts all the blame on guns and not on the perpetrator where it belongs."

How is this so? How does this bill put all of the blame on guns -- other than by royal proclamation from the deranged right?

"At the same time, it strips law abiding citizens the ability to protect themselves from these sick people."

How did the current guns laws protect the victims of this tragedy? FACT - Not a single one of these victims was protected by today's guns laws.

You're making it up again, Kim.... another example.

"Putting the blame on guns rather than on the perpetrators encourages the dangerous mentality that lunatics like Seung-Hui Cho carry around with them, which is that the problems in their lives are always someone else's fault."

More cereal box psychology from Kim. How does the mechanism you describe work, Kim -- or on what study are you basing your make-believe thesis that gun laws encourage the lunatics?

Since Kim made all of this up, and will therefore refuse to answer these questions because she flat out can't substantiate the claims she makes (if she replies at all she'll just attack while avoiding the questions) does anyone else want to take a shot at it?

Right J Mark. They can't ma... (Below threshold)
Scrapiron:

Right J Mark. They can't make headlines by enforcing the law. They have to pass additional idiot law to get noticed by the equally idiotic antique MSM. And without a headline once a week the dhimmi's don't feel like humans. News for most of them, you are the lowest form of human and will never excape the sewer you put yourself in.
If someone other than the shooter had a gun, there wouldn't have been so many people slaughtered like pigeons sitting on a wire. The dhimmi's know they can't completely change this country to communism as long as there is an armed public. That's 100% why they want you disarmed and defenseless. Otherwise they could care less about America and the people.

You are an idiot Lee STFU. ... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

You are an idiot Lee STFU. I think they should make laws that prevent Lee from owning any gun or sharp instrument.

How did the current guns... (Below threshold)

How did the current guns laws protect the victims of this tragedy? FACT - Not a single one of these victims was protected by today's guns laws.

Virginia Tech banned guns from campus prior to the murderous rampage of one lunatic. So Lee, you got that exactly right, just not the way you intended. Gun laws will never prevent anyone from acquiring a gun if they want one...just like speed limits don't prevent anyone from speeding.

This reminds me of a story.... (Below threshold)
Darby:

This reminds me of a story... Actually, this isn't a story. This just happened last Saturday.

There is a man in a bar. He grabs a female patrons backside.

The bouncer who witnesses this tosses the rude man out of the bar.

The man has words with the bouncer, he threatens to kill the bouncer. He then proceeds to his car and grabs his gun.

He goes back to the bar and shoots at the bouncer at point blank range. Thankfully the man was drunk and missed the first 2 shots. A patron that was standing just inside the door was armed, with a .45 caliber pistol, concealed... legally. He returned the first mans shots, and hits the man in the arm and leg. Saving the bouncers life and perhaps even many other peoples lives.

The first shooter is in the hospital recovering from his gun shot wounds, with a whole bunch of criminal charges waiting for him. Including possession of a gun with it's seriel number removed.

Initially the second man was arrested on gun charges as well, but you know how it works, everyone remotely involved gets the bracelets.

According to a local police officer I talked to this evening, it appears that the PD isn't even going to charge the second man with any crimes.

The moral of this story is simply, if NH had severe and strict gun control laws there might be many people dead and or seriously injured. But instead the bad guy took 2 rounds, got caught, and is going to jail for a very long time.

Someone on the right will eventually point out, that even if guns were banned, criminals will still have them. That is one reason why they are criminals.

Might I add, this happened ... (Below threshold)
Darby:

Might I add, this happened only a block and a half from my house.

Lee, you've got to be the s... (Below threshold)
Xennady:

Lee, you've got to be the stupidest troll since muirgeo.If gun control laws worked how the hell did this happen? Virginia Tech was already a "gun free zone"-you folks got your wish there and the result was 33 dead.Law abiding people died because they obeyed the laws that kept them from defending themselves.And you want more of those laws? What the hell is wrong with you?

Lee:How did th... (Below threshold)
marc:

Lee:

How did the current guns laws protect the victims of this tragedy? FACT - Not a single one of these victims was protected by today's guns laws.

Better question, how did the total gun ban on the V-Tech campus that was in place protect anyone?

FACT - It didn't and possibly, given the right conditions, may have prevented some of the carnage if someone had the means to blow this guys head off.

Other than the U.K. Japan has the second most stringent guns law son the books. Strange... it didn't stop the Mayor of Nagasiki Ja. from being gunned down Tuesday.

The Aussie's thought they had the answer after The Port Arthur massacre claimed 35 lives and 37 wounded.

Hey they said, "let's buy back all the guns in society," no guns, no more killed was the thinking.

Pfffttttt....

HALF a billion dollars spent buying back hundreds of thousands of guns after the Port Arthur massacre had no effect on the homicide rate, says a study published in an influential British journal.

The report by two Australian academics, published in the British Journal of Criminology, said statistics gathered in the decade since Port Arthur showed gun deaths had been declining well before 1996 and the buyback of more than 600,000 mainly semi-automatic rifles and pump-action shotguns had made no difference in the rate of decline.

The only area where the package of Commonwealth and State laws, known as the National Firearms Agreement (NFA) may have had some impact was on the rate of suicide, but the study said the evidence was not clear and any reductions attributable to the new gun rules were slight.

OOPS...that didn't work so well.

Why does increased gun cont... (Below threshold)
kim:

Why does increased gun control seem like shooting the messenger?
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And BTW, if at all possible... (Below threshold)
marc:

And BTW, if at all possible this statement by Kotowski is more ludicrous than anything Lee puts out:

"There is no accountability for the gun industry or the lobby that supports them, the NRA," said Sen. Dan Kotowski of Mt. Prospect.

The gun industry, with the possible exception of the food industry, has more oversight and more laws that regulate it than than any other.

Guess this moroooon hasn't heard of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms

right you are marc, accordi... (Below threshold)

right you are marc, according to a few stories I've seen, ATF was immediately on the scene @ Virginia Tech.

I think you're missing some... (Below threshold)
Johanna:

I think you're missing something here. Making one place a gun free zone doesn't work if guns are readily available in the rest of the state/country.

And I think the whole story about the man in the bar with the gun proves my point. You can say "the guy prevented more bloodshed" but if gun ownership was illegal througout the country then the guy who went out to his car probably didn't own a gun in the first place.

If guns are very hard to come by, you can doubt people like the killer at Virginia Tech would have one. Cho seemed pretty set on killing lots of people, but I doubt he would've killed so many if he only had the knives available to him which were in his backpack.

Johanna:If gun... (Below threshold)
marc:

Johanna:

If guns are very hard to come by, you can doubt people like the killer at Virginia Tech would have one.

Guess you didn't notice the link and story above about the Mayor of Nagasaki being shot to death.

Guns of any type are virtually non-nonexistent in the country, yet in a real life example of "when guns are banned only criminals will have guns" the Yakuza has at it's disposal all the firearms it needs to kill whom ever they feel is needed.

All indications are this guy planned this attack in advance with the expressed purpose to kill as many as possible. If a gun hadn't been available he'd have chosen to use a pipe bomb or similar device to do just that.

That old saying goes, "When... (Below threshold)
SteveH:

That old saying goes, "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns." Didn't take long for the gun control wackos to come out of the wood work on this one.

The only way to prevent peo... (Below threshold)
Taltos:

The only way to prevent people from killing each other with guns would be to melt down every single one on the face of the planet, burn every trace of their existence and then kill anyone with the slightest knowledge of their creation or use. Not exactly a PC solution.

Personally I'd be all for a return to the sword and scabbard days. Swordfights have always been more interesting than gunfights.

TaltosPersonal... (Below threshold)
marc:

Taltos

Personally I'd be all for a return to the sword and scabbard days. Swordfights have always been more interesting than gunfights.

I agree, Catherine Zeta-Jones was hotter than a fresh fu*ked fox in a forest fire in The Legend of Zorro

To all the clowns who would... (Below threshold)
Knightbrigade:

To all the clowns who would like to BAN all guns, come and get 'em....see how that works out for ya.

You think Iraq looks a little rough....
The next American revolution would actually make things better, no more liberal/progressive stances on guns or any other issue.

The gun debate probably rai... (Below threshold)
jFO:

The gun debate probably raises more emotional hackles than any other I read or hear. But Kim's argument about blaming the gun begs the question. It's an all or nothing argument. While some people surely would like to do away with all guns I believe most would like to strengthen the controls we already have. To me, it makes no sense, for example, why anyone would feel a need to allow assault weapons in this country.

it's a pretty simple answer to say it's not the gun, it's the person. Well, it's the person who chooses to wear a seat belt but we have laws requiring folks to wear them. Why? Because it is society that pays the financial price when people don't. Why have child safety seat laws then? After all it's the parents choice whether or not to use them. One could go on and on about the concepts of choice/responsibility and government regulations. There ought to be a middle ground somewhere in this argument. I don't like guns but I don't think they should all be banned. On the other hand, I see no need for guns really designed as offensive weapons.

For those who want to confi... (Below threshold)
hermie:

For those who want to confiscate guns..

Please go to south Central LA and try it.

I'm sure all the gangbangers there are fearful of being in violation of gun registration laws and being prosecuted by the State of California.


That pesky second amendment... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

That pesky second amendment of the constitution gets in the way every time. Recently and Federal Appeals Court ruled that people have the right to possess fire arms.

Also, the Federal Government sure took care of the illegal drug problem. Some have too much faith in government. Also, I believe more people die from drug related deaths then gun shots but don't worry, the governments just been working on the problem for thirty years. Also, how many shootings are drug related?

I have guns, and I hope I never have to use them. But I want them. The police cannot protect me, if you haven't noticed, they show up AFTER the crime took place. ww

VT was, as has been noted, ... (Below threshold)
drjohn:

VT was, as has been noted, a gun-free zone, so a gun law did not prevent this crime.

Did his roommates not know he had a gun stashed in his room?

In CT several letters of recommendation are required for gun purchase. This might have stopped him.

I think all potential gun purchasers ought to have to pass a psychiatric evaluation prior to purchase. That almost certainly would have prevented this disaster.

A psychiatric exam? No one ... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

A psychiatric exam? No one snaps until they snap. If we arrested every quiet loner, we would probably be in the millions. I am sure CT has the several letters of recommendation set up so only the elite can purchase. ww

A psychiatric exam? No o... (Below threshold)
drjohn:

A psychiatric exam? No one snaps until they snap. If we arrested every quiet loner, we would probably be in the millions. I am sure CT has the several letters of recommendation set up so only the elite can purchase. ww

If you look at the observations made by the kid's teachers and classmates, red flags were flying everywhere. I have little doubt that a psychiatric eval would have stopped this.

As for CT, it makes more than a little sense to think that if one cannot obtain a written reference from reputable members of the community then perhaps pause ought to be given in the consideration of forearms purchase.

ww, I don't know if you've ... (Below threshold)
drjohn:

ww, I don't know if you've seen this or not:

http://newsbloggers.aol.com/2007/04/17/cho-seung-huis-plays/

Have a look.

I sure wish I had the luxur... (Below threshold)
drjohn:

I sure wish I had the luxury of editing posts I made.

It discomforting to look at misspellings and not be able to do anything about them. I am a self-taught typist and it is painfully apparent.

Well Marajuana is illegal, ... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Well Marajuana is illegal, and we all know as a direct result that no one can get it and that no one smokes it in dorm rooms, apartments, or in public parks. I also could not get some on the nearest corner if I wanted it.

History shows us that banning something makes it go away.

cough*prohibition*cough

Politicians need to be very... (Below threshold)

Politicians need to be very careful not to appear to be using this terrible event for political gain or else they could face a serious voter backlash.

I love how lee comes on her... (Below threshold)
D-Hoggs:

I love how lee comes on here and spews his bull and accuses Kim of not answering questions. Then when he is called out on his crap and has questions to answer, he disappears. Typical.

How did the current guns... (Below threshold)
drjohn:

How did the current guns laws protect the victims of this tragedy? FACT - Not a single one of these victims was protected by today's guns laws.

VT was supposed to be a gun-free zone. That is what the law said, and a law permitting the guns was rejected.

So why didn't the law protect the kids? A law DID exist already that should have protected them.

Kim speaks of "the dangerou... (Below threshold)
Herman:

Kim speaks of "the dangerous mentality that lunatics like Seung-Hui Cho carry around with them"

Well, unfortunately that wasn't the only thing Mr. Cho was carrying around with him. He also had a 9 mm and a .22. Which he bought at the local gun store (a "gun-free zone" is rather ineffectual when gun stores exist not far away, isn't it?). So now, how do we make it harder for someone like Mr. Cho to get his hands on a gun? Simple:

BAN ALL GUNS!! And BAN THE BULLETS TOO!!!

It's a very sad day when pe... (Below threshold)
Jeff:

It's a very sad day when people do not wake up to the call against terrorism. I heard all the Alex Jones nonsense of the Bush Conspiracy to down the Towers, and it's sad to see that VT didn't have security cameras up since 9-11. Notice I said:
9 1 1 and not nine eleven like the democrat faculty member used in his telecast of the events after the massacre. Obviously, there's an agenda going on at this University which needs to be addressed. It's time to wake up. We even have security cameras on our street to greet us to the day when I exit my house.

There's no need to blame law enforcement, this is a new era: "The War on Terror", it's time to wake up. It's sad but obvious, the University Administration was only concerned in getting the checks from the Mother's and Father's for their selfish Gun Free Zone agenda. Remember:
"Lock N Load" and you'll be much safer.

Herman:Let's say f... (Below threshold)

Herman:

Let's say for the sake of argument, you get your impossible wish. All guns and bullets are tracked down and vaporized. Poof. All gone. (Not really gonna happen, but keep dreaming.)

Now, when the next bombing occurs, a bomb that was made by common items from the household, what would you be interested in banning then?

You realize, of course, that murder is already banned in this country? You also realize of course, that Virginia Tech banned the possession of guns on their campus? How'd those two regulations work out for 'em?

Laws don't prevent anything. They merely grant the authority for the government to punish.

I agree, killers will find ... (Below threshold)
Jeff:

I agree, killers will find a way to kill; just like Charles Manson, or did we forget him too ? I don't mind security cameras, of course they will not stop crime, but at least, he or she'll be in lock-up before Sundown !

It's pathetic to watch a University let their guard down and be wide open for any terrorist to take advantage of. Guns don't Kill; people do !




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